Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo
B 2011/3/15 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at: Hi Joey, all I think we manage to finalize this task soon - great work, Joey! Johannes Bausch schrieb: Hey, following your discussion I added another draft - which is rather a step backward, but I see that the connected ligature is your main concern. If I understand the comments right, some people feel more comfortable with the distinct characters. In fluent text they probably would not have even mentioned the difference (except the more balanced general visual impression), but in comparison with the present logo they felt different. Thanks for taking these thoughts into account and to present a compromise containing all the other tiny modifications you included in order to create an improved visual impression. [...] I compared your last proposal with the current logo here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo_ligature.png (force reload) If anybody wants to be pointed to the differences, please have a look at Joey's userpage in the wiki (I won't provide the link here, but you'll find it). For me it is much more important to compare the general impression rather than the tiny modifications. So I ask you to vote on this comparison: Which logo is more balanced and expresses better the feelings we want to be associated with LibreOffice? And if you prefer the present logo: Should we include the other modifications except the ffi in the old logo? Best regards Bernhard PS: I don't vote now, because some people might look at the image already with my voting in mind which might influence their decision... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- My sites: http://catalin-festila.blogspot.com -about me http://tv.free-tutorials.org - video tutorials http://python-catalin.blogspot.com - my python blog -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo
2011/3/15 Catalin catalinf...@gmail.com B I respect your answer, but it would be very helpful if you told us why you chose B over A =). @Bernhard: thanks. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Installer changes for Windows users
Hi Jared, all, I'll try to structure this mail a bit better, so people don't have to read the entire thread in order to learn to know who wants and proposes what... [... and I remove one or another part ...] Jared wrote: [...] Christoph Noack wrote: [...] Am Samstag, den 12.03.2011, 10:29 +0100 schrieb Cesare Leonardi: On 12/03/2011 00:16, Shawn Thompson wrote: On the topic of this, I had actually proposed an entire redesign of the installer system in a much earlier post, but in discussions on IRC I was informed that making alternate UI's for Windows Installer systems is a pretty difficult task. I've serarched your post since i wasn't subscribed in January. For the reference here is the interesting Shawn's post: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00461.html Oh, yes, some post I've missed to reply to ... sorry! But replies from my side don't help to gain developers, I assume ;-) [..] Windows indeed needs some love. ;-) True, and I think it would help both developers and us to better understand what's going on and what can be improved (easily). The temporary folder issue is a great example ... and there might be more. Not only on Windows, but also on other platforms. To be honest, I don't even know how a full installation looks like on the Mac ... Please see the link to our homepage below ;-) Since I think that the initial contact (installation plus first start) is a very important thing for users - because it needs to be as hazzle free as possible. +1 So, how about to look at the full installation process (download to first start of LibO)? Would it be possible that you start a wiki page and put in some information (screenshots, steps required, weird experiences)? I think that would help a lot to request help and to get an idea what sucks. Some time ago, the OpenOffice.org UX team did something similar, but I don't know the current differences to LibO ... here are the pages: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Projects/Setup_Process short like the description on our homepage http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Projects/Start-up_process much more details and reasons / questions about the process: We should start with theses questions and try to handle them. [...] Concerning the entries in the Quickstarter - this is a bigger topic, since the inconsistency is also visible in the options, the menu bar, the Start Center, the ... To me, it leads to the major questions if the old decision to separate OOo and highlight individual applications is still valid. We need to discuss this topic thoroughly - including marketing experts (comparability to MS Office, integrated approach as marketing strategy etc). This is already part of my important questions to be resolved for the work by the Design Team questions list. [...] Great - so it will not be forgotten :-) Cheers, Christoph Where would you like to see a wiki page created exactly? I can at least post some screenshots of Windows and MacOS. under: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install_Process-Windows ?? under: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Install_and_Setup-Windows ?? As this discussion relates to creating an improvement to the present state your description and screenshots would not be the main part of the wiki page, but only a starting point. And please have a look at the homepage: We already have screenshots of the present installing process: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/windows/ http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/mac/ Working on an improvement should be done on a design page, so /Design/Install_and_Setup should be more appropriate. I don't know at the moment, if the website team agreed upon using categories only for the wiki structure (like wikipedia), in this case we could skip /Design too and categorize the page with [[Category:Design]]. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] SmartArt into libreoffice? - sorry this time without html
Hi Christoph, *, Am Montag, 14. März 2011, 22:15:06 schrieb Christoph Noack: (...) I don't know whether/how to ask the developers for that. It's a huge task ... It seems that we are not even able to provide this via the Gallery, since the gallery doesn't support ODGs. Sigh. But, what we currently miss, are high quality templates - some guys here started to create some. Maybe they need some help. And this would be as important as having SmartArt capabilities. What do the others think? I know that there was already a old childworkspace in the CVS of OOo. It was a Chinese developer that started the work with a smartart implementation for OOo. He presented his work in Orvieto. I can search for the data of this childworkspace and the explanation in the OOo-Wiki, if that helps. Regards, Andreas -- ## Developer LibreOffice ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows ## http://LibreOffice.org ## Support the Document Foundation (http://documentfoundation.org) ## Meine Seite: http://www.amantke.de -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo
My vote: B Why: It seems that the other option is employing a style that isn't consistent across the entire logo; moreover, it doesn't seem to match anything else. -Daniel Merker On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi Joey, all I think we manage to finalize this task soon - great work, Joey! Johannes Bausch schrieb: Hey, following your discussion I added another draft - which is rather a step backward, but I see that the connected ligature is your main concern. If I understand the comments right, some people feel more comfortable with the distinct characters. In fluent text they probably would not have even mentioned the difference (except the more balanced general visual impression), but in comparison with the present logo they felt different. Thanks for taking these thoughts into account and to present a compromise containing all the other tiny modifications you included in order to create an improved visual impression. [...] I compared your last proposal with the current logo here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo_ligature.png (force reload) If anybody wants to be pointed to the differences, please have a look at Joey's userpage in the wiki (I won't provide the link here, but you'll find it). For me it is much more important to compare the general impression rather than the tiny modifications. So I ask you to vote on this comparison: Which logo is more balanced and expresses better the feelings we want to be associated with LibreOffice? And if you prefer the present logo: Should we include the other modifications except the ffi in the old logo? Best regards Bernhard PS: I don't vote now, because some people might look at the image already with my voting in mind which might influence their decision... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] [VOTE] ligatures in the logo
Same here, B. Although, it's just because the kerning seems to be out of place without the other proposed changes, sadly. I think I'll not do help with that (and probably be counter-productive), but my personal taste is still for C [1]. ~Paulo [1] - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/f/f1/LogoImprovementStep2.png -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com 2011/3/15 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com Yes, to be honest, I don't like that half-broken ligature either. Maybe I really should only do something about the kerning. 2011/3/15 Daniel Merker daniel.mer...@wayne.edu My vote: B Why: It seems that the other option is employing a style that isn't consistent across the entire logo; moreover, it doesn't seem to match anything else. -Daniel Merker On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi Joey, all I think we manage to finalize this task soon - great work, Joey! Johannes Bausch schrieb: Hey, following your discussion I added another draft - which is rather a step backward, but I see that the connected ligature is your main concern. If I understand the comments right, some people feel more comfortable with the distinct characters. In fluent text they probably would not have even mentioned the difference (except the more balanced general visual impression), but in comparison with the present logo they felt different. Thanks for taking these thoughts into account and to present a compromise containing all the other tiny modifications you included in order to create an improved visual impression. [...] I compared your last proposal with the current logo here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo_ligature.png (force reload) If anybody wants to be pointed to the differences, please have a look at Joey's userpage in the wiki (I won't provide the link here, but you'll find it). For me it is much more important to compare the general impression rather than the tiny modifications. So I ask you to vote on this comparison: Which logo is more balanced and expresses better the feelings we want to be associated with LibreOffice? And if you prefer the present logo: Should we include the other modifications except the ffi in the old logo? Best regards Bernhard PS: I don't vote now, because some people might look at the image already with my voting in mind which might influence their decision... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Status Bar changes
Hi Christoph, all, 2011/3/14 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com [...] Oh, I have to thank you ... it's pure fun to see that much of the old stuff can be useful (at the end). No doubt it is terrible when great ideas get lost by the times... I'm glad you did restore these icons from the past. Oh, that can be solved. We already have word count functionality in Writer, but it is rather unusable ... it presents the result in a modal dialog. Grrr. Actually? Never mind... (-: So it seems to make the development work to add it to status bar a lot easier! From my point-of-view, it is not required to count the words instantly ... there is no issue in waiting for several hundred milliseconds until we can be sure the user is idling. Concerning the latter, I think most of the time people writing text is spend on thinking but typing. So we just have to make sure that it is clear to the user that the word count is incorrect (if LibO is re-counting). I'm not sure, but I think Word works the same ... Example: black532 Characters (Document)/black ... user starts typing ... gray532 Characters (Document)/gray ... user stops typing ... ... system is re-calculating ... black561 Characters (Document)/black [...] You're right at all. It is not required to do instantly. Actually it could be easy to be implemented, so I'll include it in the step 2 of remaking of Status Bar. It's great! :-D By the way, I finally started the wiki page about this: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking I've a doubt about the Remaking, so if this word can be replaced by another one more appropriated, don't think twice) [...] Definitively a god idea, but I think there is no need to hurry. Instead, all, please also support Nik's work on the motif creation (I'm hoping that somebody is compensating my lacking involvement *g*). Oh... I'm not confident about it. I think I'm not the right person to help on the motif task. At least to creating a proposal. But I'm giving my comments and suggestions soon I can. [...] Someone know a easy way to upload the HTML code and change it in a collaborative way (Like Etherpad or Google Docs was to text)? [...] Phew, I don't know ... anybody? So... I did no discovers about how to do that. Then I choosed to use Dropbox, so I can share the folder with everyone that want to help editing the HTML and make proposals, in meantime showing the page to everyone publicly. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5107072/HTML%20mockups/Status-Bar-HTML-Version-Step-1.html Just to remember: It's just HTML and CSS, so if someone could help me with javascript (jQuery if it's possible) to improve menus and mplement state changes, I'll be glad! Now the next step is evaluating Status Bar items. I'll do some user tests here in university to validate the new item arrangement and make it justifiable from UX POV. *Bernhard*, I'd like to ask your help here, if you'll have time. But no hurry at all. :-D Have a great week, Design gentlemen, ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Estudante de Ciência da Computação / UFSJ Webdesigner / Linked E.J. Blogueiro / CasaTwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Mockup : Margin resizing
Hi all, 2011/3/14 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com [...] To pour in some more ideas (by other people), please have a look what Andreas once made: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Direct_Manipulation_and_Mouse_Gestures Guys, it's amazing to see such involvement! THIS + Sylvian's idea would be INSANE! I think this would be one of the best features I ever seen in an office suite. You could include these ideas in the HTML/javascritp mock-up, then we could receive user feedback directly. I'm sure it would give good results. I can help with quick users tests. Cheers, ~Paulo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Replace the birds
I've found this too, even from the OpenSUSE 11.4-Gnome LiveCD session. But I'll look for a bug report to follow! --Jared -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
