Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX
Hi, Cor Nouws wrote on 13-09-15 23:45: > Christoph Noack wrote on 06-09-15 15:00: > >> Am Montag, den 31.08.2015, 23:36 +0200 schrieb Cor Nouws: >>> So, ugly UX hack (sorry for even daring to suggest ;) ): >>> In the File > Print dialog, on the first Tab (General) add below the >>> list Printer en > details, a button: "..printer settings in stead of >>> document/page settings" leading to the fourth tab (Options) >>> This >>> - shows where to find the desired behavior (well, not really - see >>> Christophs remark below) >>> - indicates that there are document/page settings. >>> Then >>> - on the fourth tab (Options) ad a button: "learn more on page >>> settings and influence on printing) or something like that. Alternative: when people hit Printer properties show a pup-up with the e.g. following text: " Mind that when setting paper orientation, this in general only works properly if paper orientation is set in the page style (via Format > Page). You may chose to override this. Then also for this print the check "use only paper size from printer settings" is set (see the tab Option). Find more in the Help on subject XYZ. [ ] don't show this warning again. " [...] (remove file > Printer Settings and integrate in Format > Page) >>> >>> Would be fine for me. >>> Mind this allows (via page styles) directing different pages of one >>> file to different printers :) >> >> Oh! I was rather thinking about selecting "the printer" for the >> document and thus the different trays of this single printer. > > One can set "the printer" in each page style of the active document. A > bit conflicting?. But it can be added "set printer (for all page styles)" I still like this one, since it brings all the printer settings at the same place. [about changing page orrientation in print dialog] Per default, this setting is valid for the given print dialog session only. Per user demand, the setting can be applied to the document settings (image something like a "make setting sticky" appearing after the user changed the default selection). >>> >>> I would not support this. >>> It may cause unexpected problems in the document. >> >> Why? I shouldn't be the default. If applied, it is nothing different >> than (batch-)changing the page orientation in "Format -- Page". > > What if there are more page styles, and people do need to check margins > and more settings? Then they are lost since they do not work on the > proper place in the file: Format Page.. If chosen, show a pup-up with the e.g. following text: " Mind that when setting paper orientation here, this changes the paper orientation in all the page styles of the document (via Format > Page). You may chose to check lay out first. Find more in the Help on subject XYZ. [ ] don't show this warning again. " > So I prefer to focus on education / directing users to the proper > knowledge, place, rather then adding hacks that make the work flow and > places to set stuff (see the phases 1-5 in my previous mail) even more > look like spagetti. Just my 2#.. Well said ;) -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX
Hi! I'm jumping in the bandwagon, just for one note: Le 13/09/2015 23:45, Cor Nouws a écrit : One can set "the printer" in each page style of the active document. A bit conflicting?. But it can be added "set printer (for all page styles)" What if|when page styles get the same hierarchical inheritance the paragraph style have got for a long time? This would be much appreciated :) What if there are more page styles, and people do need to check margins and more settings? Then they are lost since they do not work on the proper place in the file: Format Page.. So I prefer to focus on education / directing users to the proper knowledge, place, rather then adding hacks that make the work flow and places to set stuff (see the phases 1-5 in my previous mail) even more look like spagetti. Just my 2#.. +1 -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Paragraph and character styles in Writer's Styles menu
I agree. I am copying parts of one manual in a .doc with all sorts of strange fonts and styles into my new .odt manual. If I reset the style of the .doc text to Text Body before copying I am fine. If I reset it to Default I have strife. Don't ask me why, may be it upsets my Default style that is inherited by my custom styles. Steve On 2015-09-16 03:28, Octavio Alvarez wrote: Yes. Text body is a must IMO. Rationale: Default is not a good idea to have it applied for normal text because modifying it implies changing all the other styles due to attribute inheritance. So a paragraph style for normal text should be available. Best regards. On 09/15/2015 05:45 AM, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: Hi Octavio, The paragraph styles have already been added into the Styles menu in master and they include Default, Title, Subtitle, and Headings 1 through 6. So are there any other paragraph styles that should be added? Regards, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips On 09/15/2015 04:49 AM, Octavio Alvarez wrote: On 14/09/15 15:04, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: Hi All, As part of the rework of the menus in Writer (bug 91781), i've created a Styles menu and i've put some paragraph styles in there and wanted to know if anyone has any suggestions of additional paragraph or character styles that should be added to the list. Presently i'm planning to add Default, Emphasis, Strong Emphasis, and Source Text character styles. Hi! Those are character styles only. What paragraph styles are you planning to include? Best regards. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Paragraph and character styles in Writer's Styles menu
Yes. Text body is a must IMO. Rationale: Default is not a good idea to have it applied for normal text because modifying it implies changing all the other styles due to attribute inheritance. So a paragraph style for normal text should be available. Best regards. On 09/15/2015 05:45 AM, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: Hi Octavio, The paragraph styles have already been added into the Styles menu in master and they include Default, Title, Subtitle, and Headings 1 through 6. So are there any other paragraph styles that should be added? Regards, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips On 09/15/2015 04:49 AM, Octavio Alvarez wrote: On 14/09/15 15:04, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: Hi All, As part of the rework of the menus in Writer (bug 91781), i've created a Styles menu and i've put some paragraph styles in there and wanted to know if anyone has any suggestions of additional paragraph or character styles that should be added to the list. Presently i'm planning to add Default, Emphasis, Strong Emphasis, and Source Text character styles. Hi! Those are character styles only. What paragraph styles are you planning to include? Best regards. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
