Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!
Yes there will be more icons than text , perhaps in addition to or below some larger icons as text, every option had the icon.. A little is confusing, here, there, I think many do not know where the stuff. Instead there's one place where you put all of this. I just think that it is necessary to design a new system to put all tools to be at your fingertips. I see no reason why a lot of things as they are now, as the main green , obviously someone dictate everything and can not be changed? and the triangle on the logo which is I guess the edge of the paper?? it's all so meaningless without ideas, but it is all good for you, and now , if I made a new logo and set up here, everyone would say, the old one is extra, you have no brain, first it will say who all made, then the problem is you who decide on all this. On 25 June 2011 08:22, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.com wrote: I'd have to disagree with this one. Let's take the standard toolbars shipping with LibreOffice. By default, the current setup has (to the best of my memory) the Standard, Formatting, Find, and Navigation toolbars set to display, in addition to the ruler, status bar, and so on. The Standard toolbar contains a number of functions related to file operations: new, open, save, print, and so on. Also attached (again, correct me if I'm wrong) are undo/redo buttons. While I don't have a usage trial to show the data, I'm willing to bet that only four buttons are used at all on this toolbar: that is, the first four. Few people ever use these buttons, which have largely been supplanted by their shortcut counterparts. Even fewer use undo/redo. Nevertheless, some people still use those buttons, hence why I provided for a quick access set (similar to what Office 2007/2010 offer in the title bar at the upper left). But the other toolbars aren't as well used-- the Find and Navigation toolbars have functions that don't appear to be common in many workflows. You are right, not every program needs to be stripped down as far as Chrome. On the other hand, I still contend that the fraction of the interface used with any frequency is rather small compared to what's been built into many previous mockups, and in that case hiding those options by default is justified. I didn't make that mockup minimal for the sake of being minimal: I don't think autohide is particularly useful when used just for the sake of a clean interface (if you've tried the Phoenix Wright port to the iPod/iPhone, that's a train wreck of an interface with functions hidden for no reason at all). However, the community response to the Wingpanel from the Elementary Project (before it became similar to GNOME panel) was extremely positive-- and this is for an integral element of the user interface that was widely used for power work! I think that the Wingpanel's attractiveness stemmed from doing what it needed to do without killing your ability to get to more advanced options. And while I like Ribbon designs, having to open tabs every time I want to access something isn't productive. Hence a wingpanel-esque solution-- which actually preserves our common functionality like aligning, font style, and so on, without being visually cluttering. Also: multiple toolbars isn't necessarily a bad thing, but since we seem to be using more icons than text, consider the difficulties associated with hitting an icon among dozens of its companions. It's not an easy task with everything aligned on the top, as is-- and I don't see how splitting the icons along two active edges makes things better. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Sean White runicpala...@gmail.com wrote: This look would suit a web app BUT not a fully featured office suite. Not every program has to cut out as much interface as Google Chrome does, especially when there are hundreds of functions that need to be accessed. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Christopher Lee gunboatdeba...@gmail.comwrote: Please bear with me if this isn't how we post to this mailing list-- I'll admit it's my first time contributing. Recently, I was looking at two mockups posted to OMGUbuntu and WebUpd8 regarding LibreOffice's design. One was for a Ribbon style, the other for a sidebar design. Personally, I couldn't get behind the sidebar design. When I used KOffice, I found it was eating up a lot of screen real-estate, and especially by splitting half the UI elements between the sidebar and the top bar, negated many advantages of Fitt's Law by requiring I track multiple active zones. I cobbled together a very basic mockup of a streamlined interface using the web demo of Balsamic-- I don't have resources to go much further. But if it's actually interesting to anyone, please let me know. Link below: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1dv3FTikP46Qr8NpnJ4ukGLT15Ajgv--rf4sEWH9oilY/edit?hl=en_US --
Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!
I put a few things that do not exist or I changed the existing, such as for example a ruler who does not extend along the entire window,Becouse OF MSO 2010 I changed meni drastically, I think it means less clicking, just because the tools are grouped by category (most important for me). I do not know yet where they can be placed such suggestions, maybe here?, although it will be chaotic, it should really set aside space for it, but I think someone is working on it :) On 20 June 2011 09:31, Christopher Stark christopherst...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I also agree with the criticism already stated here and add some of my own: - it looks too much like the M$ Office Ribbons - the window decoration should be part of the operating system / graphical environment. - Furthermore the main toolbar should always stay static and not be organized in tabs/ribbons (too much of clicking otherwise). - I like the Navigation sidebar where the user can see the pages like in a pdf-Viewer. - in this mockup the search-bar for functions and the tabs-bar for different documents is missing Best regards Christopher -- Regards, Budislav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!
I sorry for this, I forgot that for google need account ,I put on ubuntu, please http://ubuntuone.com/p/zyq/ or http://www.sendspace.com/file/l6hs9m If you talking abaut Libreoffice Wiki, The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administratorshttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=The_Document_Foundation_Wiki:Administratorsaction=editredlink=1, emailconfirmed ;) On 19 June 2011 09:24, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: I have a google account, and I couldn't see the files. I got the message Sorry, the page (or document) you have requested is not available. --Jean On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 08:56 +0200, Christopher Stark wrote: Yes, you have to have a google account to view these files. I will definitely not get a google account! There are so many free file hosters out there, so it shouldn't be a problem to upload the screenshots there, or as Hillar says upload them directly to the Libreoffice wiki... Christopher Am 19.06.2011 08:10, schrieb Hillar Liiv: hello, Google Docs link don't work for me. Can you please upload it to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ You need to make account to there and then in left menu is upload file. Or log in and then go to link http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:Upload Hillar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Regards, Budislav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!
Of course, you're right, if I understand you, but I did not say that LO should not look great for linux, on the contrary. It seems that there have been attempts to redesign the icons, to be modern and..., but I can only see a bunch of different pictograms whose design not belong to any of these systems philosophy. Access to the tools is a major problem. I'm interested in just who decides about all of this and how I contribute, Does it make sense to talk about this, or continue business as usual :) On 19 June 2011 19:10, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/19 Budislav Stepanov budo345li...@gmail.com: Of course it looks like MSO, LO now looks like MSO 2003:). Everyone should take part in this, I just gave a suggestion. @ Ricardo - I do not understand what is so special in the current interface and so well that it should not be changed, is it not better to be easily manipulated with the tools,I read somewhere that people in the company can not find their way in, Is not it better to simplify it. Who is against it? we all, as designers need to design how everything should look like, not to ask developers what is better, that all of the tools in one place r that the user loses until you find what they need . What is the aim of developing this program? . No one said that he would deviate from KDE, but it would be much easier to use all the features of the program. After all let's ask many people who use the LO what is better, maybe they make a suggestion? LO should be used with enthusiasm, not because we must, because it is free. Without ideas there is nothing. Just my opinion. I'm not talking about the current interface that for sure needs a redesign, but about how the interface integrates with the desktop environment used. On your mock-up you wrote that LibO should have an unique look independently of the OS and I do not agree with that, that's all ;) Which tools are available and where (dockers, side toolbars, etc.), and the way to access all the others must be a desktop independent trademark for LibO, that's right: each app is unique in many senses and so they are their tools. But how menus and buttons are highlighted, the colour scheme, even icon theme (the save, open, new... buttons, for example) should be, if possible, in harmony with the rest of the system so users can feel at home with the app and, first of all, do not get that second of confusion when changing from LibO to another apps or vice versa. That's why I mentioned the file picker. Right now, LibO's own file picker is bad (to be nice...), but even if it were good a user that needs to save a file to a new location needs also to switch his/her mind from what they are used to use to whatever LibO offers *every time*, and that is counter-productive. I mentioned KDE just as an example: what I'd said holds, I think, for gnome, xfce, mac (acqua?)... LibO must be an unique product, granted, but it should not look as an intruder on the desktop session. Cheers Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Regards, Budislav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!
I've created a new interface design, according to which the office should look like in the future. If someone has a better suggestion let it set, so let's be clear, the new interface is required. Sorry for bad English. -- Regards, Budislav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Complete redesign of the interface!
Thanks, https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B9ybC3iXpbVBNDI2YWM3NTAtOGQ5ZC00MGM0LThkMDEtNWM4ZDc1ZjE0YzA4hl=en_US On 19 June 2011 00:54, Kévin PEIGNOT winniemie...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2011 00:47, Budislav Stepanov wrote: How to send a screenshot? On 19 June 2011 00:10, Kévin PEIGNOT winniemie...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/06/2011 00:02, Budislav Stepanov wrote: I've created a new interface design, according to which the office should look like in the future. If someone has a better suggestion let it set, so let's be clear, the new interface is required. Sorry for bad English. If you joined a screenshot with the mail, you must know that they are rejected automatically on the mailing list ;) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Post it on an external file storage website (Gdocs, ubuntu one, wiki...) and give us a direct link ;) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Regards, Budislav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Design Tenets Proposal
I agree. You should look at the facts, which show that this program needs a completeredesign. In LibreOffice torn all icons, maybe 5 follow the same design, but others do not, if we compare ms office , we can see how intelligent layout of the interface, everything is close at hand and far easier. It makes no sense to repair some minor mistakes that can not see, if the interface that shows is poor. LibreOffice main logo should not resemble to a document icons. On 17 June 2011 23:36, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Scott On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 13:49 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote: One thing that I've noticed is that we have a lot of great redesign proposals floating around, but we have yet to establish a true direction for the Libre Office platform. Someone recently posted this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4 ) which really made me realize the importance of having specific long-term goals for software design. Therefore, I wanted to propose a few simple goals that I think LibreOffice ought to have for its design as we move forward (maybe even for the 4.0 release) as well as the basic tenets that I think we can use to help achieve these goals. So, here we go: *The Goals:* - *Make LibreOffice easy to use while retaining its power.* This is by far one of the biggest complaints I have when I suggest that my clients use LibreOffice - they don't understand where things are in the menu/toolbar hierarchy. The best example of this is page margins. The easiest way for a lot of my customers to find this is through the right-click menu. - *Lead current trends in technology, don't just follow.* LibreOffice retains a layout that was first commercially phased out about four years ago. While the Menu/Toolbar paradigm is an excellent way of displaying program features for less fully-featured software and smaller screens, but let's face it - most desktop screens are no longer small and LibreOffice is extremely full-featured. Instead of copying another office suite, let's pave the way for others to build on. - *Help people to be more efficient.* This is really important if we want to get LibreOffice used in more businesses and schools, and is ultimately the best way to get any piece of software adopted. *The Tenets:* - *Allow users to focus on the content, not the UI.* The document viewport should never change size or lose/gain visibility due to pop-up dialogs or toolbars. The only exception to this is menus, as users expect these to overlap their document. One major subset of this should be live previews. For instance, you have to click through Headings 1-10 individually to see what the differences are. - *Everything should be accessible within 3 clicks, not just the 'most common' features.* This will help reduce the clutter while increasing users' mastery of the software. - *Consistent UI areas (not features) across all individual 'apps'.* Keep the UI as consistent as possible without sacrificing the features/functionality of any individual app (Calc, Writer, etc.). - *Value context over comprehensiveness.* Users don't need to have table tools up and at the ready when they only have text in the body of a document selected. Let me know what you think of these and, in particular, how you would change/expand on these. This is just a very very rough draft (and very well could be repeating itself or incomplete) of things that I see , but ultimately LibreOffice isn't any one man's software, but rather everyone's, so I invite everyone to put some thought into this and please reply to this so we can come up with a general UX direction for this incredible project! Scott P.S. Sorry for the re-post - I sent this just before the list changed addresses, so I'm re-posting it with the new one! You brought good points about what our underlaying philosophy should be with a good focus on the users. The point about consistency across LO so users find the same look and feel everywhere is important. To some extent everyone using menus is reusing the systems first used on the Apple Lisa and first Macs (which may have been very similar to the Xerox originals). I forget where the keyboard shortcuts came from but they also are based on old system used in the late 70's and early 80's. As far as UI, my concerns are not do something because someone else is doing it. We should try understand the reasons why others are moving to different UIs not copy them. If we believe those issues are true with our UI then we are probably looking at similar solutions done by others. Then we should study the other implementations for their good and bad points. MS and Calligra have some very interesting ideas about the UI. I think Calligra has a better idea but I do not think they
[libreoffice-design]
I am student of Graphic Designs on University of Novi Sad, part of European University Network, I found this place where I think that i can show my abilities. Primarly I am web designer, but this includes almost all kind of graphic on web or softwere, and the user interface in general.I am willing to help in the further development :) -- Regards, Budislav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
