Re: [libreoffice-design] 4.0 Branding poll

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Greindl
Hi all, my vote:

Branding from version 3.6: -1
Proposal by Aexyn.com: -1
V1 by Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila: -1
V2 by Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila: -1
V3 by Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila: -1
GIn-V1 by k-j: -1
GIn-V2 by k-j: -1
Minimal by Medieval: 1
ages by Medieval: 1
Proposal by Pedro: -1
Clear_Full_Official.png by Mateus.m.luna: 1
Clear_Full_Pref.png by Mateus.m.luna: 1
Clear_Green_Official.png by Mateus.m.luna: 0
Clear_Green_Pref.png by Mateus.m.luna: 0
Proposal by Alexander Wilms (original PNG): 1
Proposal by Alexander Wilms (at the right of the new SVG): 1
Proposal by Maxim Darák: 0
Proposal by H.Sparks: -1
Proposal by G Sparks: -1

Maybe we should redo this vote on some kind of voting service...? This
seems a bit confusing and complicated!

Paul

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 4.0 Branding poll

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Greindl
Ähh I think it was intended to add the votes to the last mail, but then
people stopped doing so, so now I think it's best to just send your vote
and put everything in place later.

And yes, I completely agree: this is a little chaotic and the vote
should be redone with a voting system!

Paul


On 29/01/13 19:55, Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm not sure how the voting system is supposed to work. I took the
 last email, and added my votes to that. Others took the plain list
 from the first mail and added their votes to that.
 What is the right way?

 Maybe an online voting system would help?

 Samuel

 Am 29.01.2013 08:49, schrieb klaus-jürgen weghorn ol:
 Hi Kévin, Samuel and all voters,

 we should avoid such things like -3.

 Am 29.01.2013 08:24, schrieb Kévin PEIGNOT:
 V2 by Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila: -3

 Everybody has one vote for or against and do it so.

 At least doing such changes at a legal vote is making your whole vote
 uncountable in mostly every country.

 I will say that because the next one will do a +10 and a
 -1000.





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Re: [libreoffice-design] 4.0 branding - current summarize

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Greindl
I think if enough people are paticipating in the vote for the new
proposal, be it by up- or down-voting, it shouldn't really be any
problem, or?

Just my opinion,

Paul

On 29/01/13 22:42, Sophie Gautier wrote:
 Hi Mirek,
 On 29/01/2013 22:25, Mirek M. wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 Maxim created another proposal based on the feedback on his first:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/4.0_Branding#Proposal_by_Maxim_Dar.C3.A1k
 .
 I'm adding it to the poll, so please, if you've voted, vote on this
 proposal as well.
 Hum, changing the proposal when the voting has already begun is not the
 the best... Should I really ask members to make a full vote again
 including this proposal or do we handle it differently?
 Kind regards
 Sophie



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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Fwd: Re: A new old branding?

2013-01-20 Thread Paul Greindl
You have a good point there Marc! And I can confirm that many people
around me (at school) do in fact use personas in all the applications
which have it, which means mostly FF and chrome. But it seems to be very
popular. 

regards

Paul


On 20/01/13 15:02, Marc Paré wrote:
 Le 2013-01-20 02:53, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
 Hi Astron,

 Le 20/01/2013 02:02, Stefan Knorr a écrit :

 sorry for the OT stuff here... this is just re: personas.
 [...]

 [1] Not really sure if that's the intended audience – but to me it
 seems
 so, as power users would probably rather alter behaviour by
 installing
 extensions than doing fancy things with their toolbar background. I
 realise, I could be totally wrong here, though.


 I also think that power users won't give a damn about that persona
 thingy and that the others won't even know it exists and if they do,
 won't use it either.

 Since the idea has been introduced, I stood silent because, well, this
 is a thing of these days and I first fell rather ol'timer.

 Still, my questions are these: do we *need* that functionality? What
 does it brings WRT software use? Wouldn't the devs be better employed
 fixing bugs rather than developing one more (useless?) functionality
 which would in turn bring more bugs? *Who* would use the personas apart
 from marketers?

 BTW, I don't know anyone around me using Firefox and personas.

 I don't want to rain on the party but my POV is that TDF shouldn't go
 that route at this moment because the usage/cost ratio seems very low to
 me.

 Strange, where I teach, and where personas are available, my 240 kids
 in French classes ALL tailor their versions of FF and Chrome to what
 they want, they also exchange between each other information about the
 looks and feel of their software including their desktop looks and
 wallpapers.

 I agree with you that with professional people personas may take a
 back seat to functionality, but to the other larger group who use our
 software and the younger set, functionality includes the look and feel
 of their software as if defines them ... no matter how shallow a
 function you may think it is.

 A Lada may get us from point A to B ... but most people would prefer
 to get a hot looking car than a square box with 4 wheels to cart them
 around.

 Software functionality does include the look and feel otherwise we
 would not be adding any color to our brand and just go for black and
 white and save on toner cartridge cost ... and hey ... let's all just
 get B/W monitors.

 I don't know, but I also don't want to rain on your party either, by
 my POV is that the TDF should go this route as it adds to the
 popularity as well as gives us a larger usage base for our community
 product.

 This is a good functionality to add to the product.

 Cheers,

 Marc




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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: 4.0 Branding and Out of Scope Designs

2013-01-20 Thread Paul Greindl
Personally I like the one by Alexander Wilms most, and also the one by
Mateus.m.luna!


On 20/01/13 19:04, Valentin wrote:
 The only good and professional looking mockups are the proposals by
 Alexander Wilms. All the others are looking a bit kiddy style ...

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:4.0_Rebranding.png


 2013/1/20 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com

 Hi Pawel,

 On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Pawel Konefal polish.a...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 From your three splashes, I would choose the second one, but I would
 prefer
 something more similar to 3.6 splashes - something like old 3.6 splash
 with
 white, normal 4 at right of the standard logo.

 Have you taken a look at the other proposals [1]? Are there any at all that
 you like?
 (I myself really like Mateus's proposals.)

 [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/4.0_Branding

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Re: [libreoffice-design] A new old branding?

2013-01-12 Thread Paul Greindl
They look really nice, I absolutely like the minimalistic style. But the
logo must in that case be adapted and integrated in the color-scheme of
each splash-screen, I even wonder where to place it while not disturbing
the minimalistic layout...? The strength of this splash lies in it's
simplicity, so one should be careful not to add something that makes it
cluttered or is not fitting in. That's my opinion.

Cheers

Paul


On 12/01/13 23:08, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
 Good idea, although we ought to include Libreoffice's actual logo.

 Best,

 Charles


 Alexander Wilms alexander.wi...@zoho.com a écrit :

 Hi everyone,

 on the Deviantart page of Harvey Cabaguio someone mentioned an old 
 design submission for the original LibreOffice brand: 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/5/5f/AndyFitzsimon_ArtworkProposal_splashes.png

 It also kind of fits the minimalist swiss style, maybe the gradients 
 should be a bit flatter. Would you mind if I ask the Designer (former 
 Novell, now Red Hat employer) if he would license it under LGPLv3/MPL 
 and use it as basis for a submission?

 Cheers

 Alex


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