[libreoffice-design] Plone site & grief (was: Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org)
Hi Andi, first off, I'm very sorry these things seem to have taken a turn for the worse. I'm trying to move this part of the discussion now off the design list, and onto board-discuss, as it seems to primarily deal with interaction style, within & from the board. So Fup2 board-discuss please. Beyond some details below, where I'd love to get to is getting over personal gripes eventually (on all sides - happy to call you any time, to hear what you'd expect here!); perhaps with a way to keep you engaged with the community you've helped building, but at least with a way for the project to keep the Plone sites running properly for the while. Andreas Mantke wrote: > There were no real internal discussions with the board about issues. > Not to put too fine a point on it - but we discussed the issues around the queue of pending submissions e.g. in January & February this year, on the infra/hostmaster list. Also in 2016, a discussion not too different from the one here took place inside the board, when looking for options to go beyond the first version of the template & extension site. > But afterwards I was kicked out by this thread. I'm not used to be > pilloried for my work during my spare time. And maybe others too. > Please don't take this as pillorying you. If it came across like that - apologies. In fact, without the original Plone sites, LibreOffice wouldn't have had a templates & extension repo for a long time, and no one disputes the relevance of that. What we're trying to do here, is to move beyond the sole-developer / sole-admin situation that is manifest since quite a few years (and I can well believe how much of a personal burden that must have been). I therefore hope we can all agree that the current setup is not very sustainable, and work constructively from there. All the very best, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org
Hi Bjoern, *, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > This is despite volunteer efforts trying to move this forward, but > stalling due to limited resources, which led to TDF even attempting > to get commercial support for Plone[2] to augment the the limited > volunteer ressources available. > Just to spell the above out a bit - despite heroic efforts from Andi, indeed it appeared the plone site never attracted enough other contributors. So tons of kudos go to Andi here; still I agree with Bjoern that it would be good to also look for alternative solutions now. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-design] Re: [] Unit #127283524 (de)
Sophie Gautier wrote: > Le 22/04/2017 à 13:39, Thomas Hackert a écrit : > > ... shows "counter-clockwise" as a mathematical expression. Would > > someone be so kind to explain, in which context it is meant here, > > please? > > The context seems to be the rotation menu in Impress or Draw, rotation > to be applied to an object. I transfer your mail to the design list, > because I don't know if the English writing is ok or not. > To be precise, it's part of the object animation effect dialogs - offering which way to rotate a shape (and the amount, full, half-way etc) during slideshow animations. I find the hyphenated version slightly more accessible (it being juxtaposed with clockwise one line down), also FWICT leo.org prefers that spelling even for AmE. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: ODF spec for hiding a shape or group
Jos van den Oever wrote: > On Wednesday 03 August 2016 16:31:18 Regina wrote: > > Jos, Thorsten, should we adapt the specification to the way LibreOffice > > and Calligra do it? It would implicate, that the z-index need not be > > unique over the whole document, but only locally on the level. > > Yes we should propose it. This is how it works in CSS and XSL-FO and ODF > should be the same and at least LO and Calligra implementations work like how > CSS and XSL-FO describe it. > Hi guys, sorry for being a bit late on this (2 weeks off) - yes, I'd support that idea. Was there any action on the TC side yet? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection
Regina Henschel wrote: > Heiko Tietze schrieb: > > What you discuss about the z-order is exactly how Inkscape work: the > > first layer in the list is the topmost. And it should be the same for > > Draw. Access to any object, layer, group or object is done similarly > > via the > navigator in order to simplify the workflow and clean the UI. It mixes tab > and z-order intentionally. > > Changing the access to these features would also fix the issues, hopefully. > > It seems, I was not clear enough. In ODF the z-order is _completely > different_ from the layer. > Right. So the feature is mainly useful for quickly showing and hiding subsets of the Drawing - and it's orthogonal to everything else, including z-order & navigation order. Compare it to grouping or tagging, but it's without the hard-link when e.g. moving grouped shapes around. As such it's helpful. And the before is no statement about the usefulness of layers in the meaning of Inkscape, Gimp or the like. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal to improve layer handling and object selection
Heiko Tietze wrote: > The idea to hide objects from layer a and b but keep others makes > not much sense. > Sure it does - see e.g. the print layer. > And a group over layer boundaries sounds also like a nightmare when > you open the drawing after some time. > I guess any sort of advanced feature can be confusing to the unsuspecting user. ;) Anyway - I'm under the impression the largest issue is in the naming. 'Layer' seem to be well-established as a concept elsewhere, the Draw one does not match it. Rename to 'tagging' & move on? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Updates / design ideas for hackfest & mini-conf flyers?
Hi guys, there's some preps & planning under way to have a hackfest combined probably with a Spanish mini-conference in April: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/LibreOffice_Espania_Summit , and it would be cool to have some flyers to distribute at the local university. The wiki has a gallery of existing flyers (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Flyers), should we simply reuse one there -- e.g. the one from the Hamburg hackfest -- or would someone be able to create a new design, using the refreshed logos etc? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Why are not all dialog boxes are resizable?
Heiko Tietze wrote: > Confirmation dialogs are never resizable on Windows (although I > don''t find a guideline for this statement right now [1]). > Good point, indeed. > And why should a user want to resize the "Export to PDF" dialog? > See later answers - it now has input fields in the signing tab page, so conceivably it makes sense now? > It adds a lot of complexity to the dialog since min/max width/height > have to be considered carefully, a grid layout needs to be added, > the properties have to be stored (per user/workstation/company?) > etc. > Shouldn't most/all of that come for free now with the ui-layoutet dialogs? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Icon theme licenses
Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > I'm bringing up this issue as the designer of the Kalahari icon theme for > LibreOffice, Mariano Gaudix, would like to upstream his work, as he has been > actively working on it and had previously asked about including it in the > past. The Kalahari icon theme comes in colored and monochrome versions and > it includes work from GPL-licensed Human and Faenza. > Hi guys, how about discussing this on the ESC this week, if you can make it? Personally, I'm not super-eager to deviate from this project's established license practice (CC-BY/LGPL/MPL) - curiously, the gnome-look page you link to even states Kalahari is MPL? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX
Heiko Tietze wrote: What's your schedule, Katarina? Do we have as much time as the prior art took? Let's put it that way - the current attention of that topic could be used for some quick iterative improvements. ;) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress Remote Icon
Hi Mirek, Adolfo, all - kudos to you and the rest of the design team, great stuff you're doing here! Just passing by to mention that, and to tell you that your artwork is making the headlines, e.g.: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LibreOffice-4-0-1-delivers-Android-remote-for-all-1817680.html :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Remote Icon
Issa Alkurtass wrote: Shouldn't we add the store banner to the visual elements as well? Yes please - didn't find an svg yet for it. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress Remote Icon
Issa Alkurtass wrote: Issa Alkurtass wrote on February 24, 2013 9:37 PM: I didn't know today was the deadline. I made a new one but it still needs a little tweaking https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:I_remote.png (SVG https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:I_remote.svg) Hacked that into shape, it is committed to master and the -4-0 branch, due for the next sdremote update. Thanks a lot, nice work! I also took Maxim's splash screen and adapted it for the android about box. I wonder, should we somehow stick that (including svg) into a page like https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_Remote_branding? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] New Branding
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: As it is now in the new version: can we get the svg in the wiki in order to make some marketing material or so? Did that happen yet? If not, where would be the place to stick it into? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Libre Graphics Meeting?
Italo Vignoli wrote: I do not see any problem in paying such an expense through SPI. Yep - Mirek, could you please request this amount (better add a bit of headroom for price increases) on board-discuss? If LGM pays for it, we simple let the budget lapse, but I think it is instrumental for the two projects to collaborate. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Impress Remote Icon
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote: Thanks for the SVG by the way, I was about to create a store promo banner for the app. Oh lovely - once this is final, can you point me to it please? Would it be possible to get some final icon until next Sunday, so we can ship that with the update to LibO 4.0.1 (which will have vastly more users being able to actually use the remote)? Thanks, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Libre Graphics Meeting?
Italo Vignoli wrote: I think it is an excellent idea. Do not forget to ask for travel funds on board discuss, in order to allow the BoD to approve the amount. What Italo says. If you want to go, please hurry up, research your travel options, and tell the board (hint: we have board meeting tomorrow). :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice 2012 conference template needed - any takers?
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Second proposal: Paris Template, only changing the logo, location and time stamp I like http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Proposal_LibOConf2012_Inverted_Template.odp , especially the title page. Maybe the actual content pages could be made with a slightly more pastel / gradient background, such that they are not that dominant any more? Otherwise, if you guys have no violent objections, let's take what's there until Monday? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] LibreOffice 2012 conference template needed - any takers?
Hi design team, I just realize that http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Berlin2012_Conference has a bit of a white spot wrt. conference Impress template - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/ConferenceTemplates should have something to start off of, I wonder if one of you had the free cycles to draft something here quickly? Many thanks, and sorry for not noticing earlier, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Next year: opportunity for professional silk-screen LibreOffice swag production
Hi there, while at LinuxTag last weekend, I chatted with the girl, running the resident swag shop there, nicely located at the main entrance / exit aisle. Her deal is to produce real silk-screened cotton prints (on http://www.basic-wear-gmbh.de/ basics currently), sell them at the venue rather affordably, and afterwards hand over the remaining stock to the projects for her base price (which is low, due to the volume she buys). Something to ponder at least I think. She asks for some 6 weeks advance notice, I'll stick that to my calendar just in case. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [RFC] tweaked b/w TDF logo for letterheads, stamps etc.
klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Am 21.04.2012 13:24, schrieb Stefan Knorr (Astron): Hello Thorsten, mostly, I thought it looked good. I've edited it a tiny bit, to make the logo as large as the text and also trying to enforce the 1/2 width of a document symbol distance everywhere. I've added a variant (the bottom one) that should work without the Vegur font being installed (i.e. letters as paths)... that's it. Accidentally, I also replaced your file in the wiki... sorry. I took Astron's (and Thorsten's) proposal and align it to get a rectangle (like a stamp is). Then I made a half space between 10 and 117 to make it in typography. Thanks guys, looks great - I'd go with k-j's version then, but w/o the half space I guess. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [RFC] tweaked b/w TDF logo for letterheads, stamps etc.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Stamp_draft_2012-04-11.svg Hi there, anyone wanting to pick this up? I'd otherwise go ahead with the draft. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] [RFC] tweaked b/w TDF logo for letterheads, stamps etc.
Andrew Pullins wrote: where can we find this picture? Gnah, not used to mailing lists stripping attachments anymore - sorry for the hassle, file is here now: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Stamp_draft_2012-04-11.svg Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-website] TDF shops (Fw: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Someone wants to setup demo shop with CafePress?)
would someone volunteer setting up a http://shop.libreoffice.org landing page, that would then link to http://libreoffice.spreadshirt.dk and others as they become available? FWIW, trying to fight cafepress currently to have a prototype shop there as well... FWIW, less-prototype now - http://www.cafepress.com/thedocumentfoundationstore At some point in time, of course the design team might have input here as well ... :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] I'm going to leave the community - thanks to all of you!
Bernhard Dippold wrote: From now on I will try to spend more time with the most important people in my real life: my children and my friends. Even if I like being here very much, real life is more important - and if you understand that you have to spend your time wisely, your decision is clear... Hi Bernhard, it's of course with sadness that I read your words, but at the same time I can only assure you that you made the right decision - never compromise on the ones closest to you, and even more so for kids. Thanks for all the great work you did - and be proud that some very visible parts of LibreOffice were made by you. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Windows Icons
Christoph Noack wrote: @ Thorsten: Do you know the reason? And, how to correct that - what's required from our side? Meh, the original png icons in git *do* have alpha - would need to check where in the process that got lost. Ivan, would be good to know what those files in windows-icons.7z are - did you copy those from inside the installed office directory? If they are all based on those .ico files - that might be a problem in my toolchain here. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreGraphics Meeting
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: a friend of Florian and mine pointed us to a quite unique event in the FLOSS world, the LibreGraphics Meeting (http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org) . The 2011 edition just ended but since we do have a graphics application (Draw), it could be interesting to join that event. Any volunteers? We can connect you with the event organizers. I usually attent the LGM, when it's in Europe, and there were folks even using Writer for artistic work. Beyond the libre theme, there are many potential areas for technical cooperation, including clip arts, swatch books, color selection and calibration, and much more. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] [ANN] List for collaboration around user experience topics created
Hi folks, with the design team (and the UX people, as part of that), and the hackers mostly working on separate lists, we thought it would be helpful to provide a low-traffic, easy-to-post-to third list, where interested parties of either side can meet - the list * is unmoderated, i.e. you can post without subscribing * does not change Reply-To, so you're free to use that according to your needs * draft list topic: Meeting ground for hackers and UX experts - get advise here for user experience questions It would be great if people working on UI-relevant hacks could give a quick shout there - and conversely, it would be cool if a few UX experts could monitor that list, funnel the question to the design list get back with some actionable results. The list address is: libreoffice-ux-adv...@lists.freedesktop.org (see also http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Obsoleted Mac installer icon
This is fixed for 3.4.x, awaiting triple review currently for 3.4.0. Fixed for 3.4.0 - currently Mac builds are landing in the pre-releases repo. Thanks to everyone for the feedback reminder - and of course also for the neat Tango/Galaxy icon updates! :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Obsoleted Mac installer icon
Bernhard Dippold wrote: From this bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36906 The Mac installer icon is currently an OOo icon located at http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/components/setup_native/source/mac/ooo3_installer.icns So, which file should we replace this? Do we have to draw new icon, or just copy from another file? (and where is that file?) All the new icons have been integrated in the package by Thorsten Behrens following the related bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33229 The installer icon is already used for the main LibreOffice download and even in the German language pack I didn't see the wrong icon (but I might be wrong). This is fixed for 3.4.x, awaiting triple review currently for 3.4.0. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Usability comes from stability
Jim Fuqua wrote: Change should be optional unless the benefit is profound and the learning curve small. Hi Jim, surely the perception of benefit is highly subjective. And at the end of the day, it's *you* who decides - if you're happy with what you have in 3.3, stick to it - we intend to provide a few updates, should there be critical bugs, to that code line. NOTICE: This message (including attachments) is covered [,,,] That's a joke, on a publicly-archived mailing list? Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Design Team Kick-Off Step 4: What We Need - Review, Please
Christoph Noack wrote: @ Björn, Thorsten: I've CCed you, since you have been active in some discussions here - could you please scan the table and provide some feedback, please? My hope is that you may have a look at the sections: * Deliverables and Work Results * Cooperation and Communication With Other Teams * LibreOffice Technical Basis Hi Chris, looks lovely to me, really nothing missing FWICT - just of course wanting to stress the points of having technical means in place to make UX enhancements easier (aka layout dialogs), and that having a set of 'EasyHacks' also for the design tasks is critical. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Git Artwork guide
Christoph Noack wrote: Since, we already have a Tools page I've started at OOo, so ... * linked to the GitArtworkGuide from there and also added a link to the artwork repository (cgit) * moved Thorsten's description (icon workflow) to this page * linked to the new items from the LibreOffice Initial Icons page Perfect, thank you - the former place was not ideal, I just wanted to have it put down *somewhere*. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: More general stuff (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [PUSHED] fdo#31251 - Improve default page layout)
Christoph Noack wrote: To be honest, I'm currently relying on released versions. I heard that it is planned to establish nightly builds, but I fear this work isn't finished. I also know that there is some tinderbox, but - again, as far as I know - it just continuously checks for compiler issues. At OOo, we could use buildbots to create installsets on demand for certain Child Workspaces. Hi Chris, all, this is indeed being worked on - we have nighly builds for one platform (Mac) already, stay tuned for the other: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/MacOS/master/ Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!
Bernhard Dippold wrote: In the file I got from your link, the placeholders have no filling, so modification to the opacity doesn't work. I can't see any color on any object I add to this layer (even with 100% opacity). Can you tell me, where to change this opacity for the entire layer? Hi Bernhard, there's a slider in the Layer tab in inkscape, that controls overall layer opacity. I had that turned to 0 already, prior to running my script on it. As you already did the naming for all the placeholders, we can just work on the icons and improve them - as long as we leave the placeholders (and the positions of the icons) unchanged, the script will be able to extract the icons. Yes. This was just to explain the process - and of course it has to be kept in mind, should someone want to add new icons/new sizes. Note that the script is stupid, and exports everything with a properly-formatted label set - so I e.g. did not set labels for the missing 256 pixel icons. ;) PS: Would you mind licensing your modifications to the source under the triple license in the wiki: CC-by-sa/LGPL/MPL ? This would allow us to use your file as the basis for the next iterations... Oh not at all, consider that implied for future submissions! Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] [REVIEW] New mimetype icons - need patch review for -3-3
Hi, please find a set of patches to bring the new mimetype icons into LibO-3-3 here: http://users.freedesktop.org/~thorsten/0001-New-mimetype-icons-for-LibreOffice-artwork.patch http://users.freedesktop.org/~thorsten/0002-New-mimetype-icons-for-LibreOffice-components.patch http://users.freedesktop.org/~thorsten/0003-New-mimetype-icons-for-LibreOffice-libs-core.patch http://users.freedesktop.org/~thorsten/0004-New-mimetype-icons-for-LibreOffice-artwork.patch the source svg for those is here: http://users.freedesktop.org/~thorsten/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons.svg the scripts to convert, and distribute, are here: http://users.freedesktop.org/~thorsten/icon-update.tgz I'd need a patch review before committing that to -3-3. Linux Mac builds work fine look great, did not yet try win32. Oh, and it's tracked in this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33229 Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!
Bernhard Dippold wrote: (so I'd ask for a short moratorium, and then suggest continue working on separate files going forward - since it really relieves a lot of the pain I experience when updating artwork) Do you want us to work on single source files for each icon? Yes, that's the proposal. Makes an automated workflow much easier, one can give the svgs telling names, etc etc. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: final run!
Christoph Noack wrote: It's a great result for a really collaborative work - and we go on this way with the new logo (I like Nik's proposal very much - will comment it tomorrow) and other tasks ! Thorsten, might that work? I didn't follow the discussion that closely concerning how to export / do the icons. Do you need some help, then please ask on the mailing list. Will work, will keep you posted. :) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons: More time for improvements...
Bernhard Dippold wrote: I don't know if any of the other icons need some more work, but we should be able to finish this task until next week. [snip] Take your time! Your family and friends are more important than LibO (perhaps you can tell them about this community and the product ;-) ). Come back later - there will still be enough to be done... Hi Bernhard, * according to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.3.1_release the RC for 3.3.1 will be tagged next Monday, and I'll be at FOSDEM all weekend - so for any artwork to make it into that release, I'd need it by tomorrow 18:00 UTC. Is that possible/acceptable? I'd then volunteer to extract the stuff into pngs (assuming proper selection areas are still in place), and split stuff up into individual files, according to this workflow: pixelpushercast.blip.tv/file/1075329/ (with a nice script to convert those files into bitmaps here: http://ladish.org/browser/art/render-bitmaps.rb) (so I'd ask for a short moratorium, and then suggest continue working on separate files going forward - since it really relieves a lot of the pain I experience when updating artwork) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
