[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Le 06/05/13 04:24 PM, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi Mattias Le 06/05/13 03:00 PM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : 06.05.2013 17:55, Marc Paré kirjutas: Could you please upload a version of the community template with the new frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good updates to the templates. Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr versions? Changed files are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr-v2.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4-v2.odt Regards Mattias Thanks! That is wonderful. Cheers, Marc Just an FYI, I had to re-upload the files to the original wiki space as some teams had already passed around the original weblinks to others. So you can now find the files back on the original wiki pages here: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt The links also appear on the main wiki page for the Brochures on this page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes Sorry about all of the confusion. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Mattias, Le 05/05/13 06:35 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : * frames ... great! I love the fact that the green bar is now tied in with the frame. This will cause fewer problems with community teams. * LibreOffice white logo in the green bar, yes, great the spacing is equal. Thanks! Regards Mattias Could you please upload a version of the community template with the new frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good updates to the templates. Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr versions? Note about naming the files ... could you make sure to keep the same name of the files but just add something like -v2 or -update? We are trying to make the file names as readable as possible. Thanks for the help. Let me know if you can't do this and I will upload the new versions with your two updates. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Mattias, Le 05/05/13 06:35 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : * frames ... great! I love the fact that the green bar is now tied in with the frame. This will cause fewer problems with community teams. * LibreOffice white logo in the green bar, yes, great the spacing is equal. Thanks! Regards Mattias Could you please upload a version of the community template with the new frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good updates to the templates. Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr versions? Note about naming the files ... could you make sure to keep the same name of the files but just add something like -v2 or -update? We are trying to make the file names as readable as possible. Thanks for the help. Let me know if you can't do this and I will upload the new versions with your two updates. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
06.05.2013 17:55, Marc Paré kirjutas: Could you please upload a version of the community template with the new frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good updates to the templates. Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr versions? Changed files are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr-v2.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4-v2.odt Regards Mattias -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Mattias Le 06/05/13 03:00 PM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : 06.05.2013 17:55, Marc Paré kirjutas: Could you please upload a version of the community template with the new frames and the logo in the green bar. These are definitely good updates to the templates. Would it be possible for you to do this for both the A4 and the USLtr versions? Changed files are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr-v2.odt https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4-v2.odt Regards Mattias Thanks! That is wonderful. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
04.05.2013 11:55, Marc Paré kirjutas: If you would like to do this, could you show us a sample before uploading it to the wiki brochure space? The design on the wiki page has already gone through a lot of discussion. Still, feel free to show us a modified brochure. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4-modified.odt And comments on changes, the only somewhat noticeable change is the front page which I like better with more white: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:2013-05-05-Note-09-21.pdf Regards Mattias -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
HI Mattias Le 05/05/13 02:27 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : 04.05.2013 11:55, Marc Paré kirjutas: If you would like to do this, could you show us a sample before uploading it to the wiki brochure space? The design on the wiki page has already gone through a lot of discussion. Still, feel free to show us a modified brochure. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4-modified.odt And comments on changes, the only somewhat noticeable change is the front page which I like better with more white: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:2013-05-05-Note-09-21.pdf Regards Mattias Thanks for the samples. Here are my comments: * panel 3 -- front page: I am not sure I like this design. From a marketing point of view, IMO, the white at the top of the panel, gives the impression that someone forgot to add some text, I don't think we are too concerned with the panel 3 focusing on the OS's as this is what we actually want to do ... we want people who have picked up our brochure to realize that we are on these 3 OS's (and eventually Android and possibly more). * frames ... great! I love the fact that the green bar is now tied in with the frame. This will cause fewer problems with community teams. * LibreOffice white logo in the green bar, yes, great the spacing is equal. Thanks! * I printed up a sample of the included text in your example that you set at 120%. I am not sure that I agree with this spacing. It makes the brochure look unconventional and too metric. IMO, if we are to tweak anything, we should try to tweak the size of the font to make it more readable. We have gone through this exercise before with sample text and IMO this should be left to the decision of the marketing team who will be creating the text and basing it on their own impression of readability and how it fits into the brochure -- IMO, the spacing is more of a marketing decision and less of design decision. The marketing team will be creating content for about 15 types of brochure and they will all have different content, but use the same community template design. ** Don't forget, this thread is all about creating a community template without any text. So IMO from your suggestions we could already: * adopt the logo and the green bar (frame) changes into the template * leave the sentence spacing to the marketing team, as it deals more with marketing issues and less of design issues. * wait for other people's opinion on your suggestion for the panel 3 (front page) design ** I would vote -1 on it, I prefer the original design. *** We could change the panel 3 (front panel) design to the one that you suggest if some of the contributing designers on the list agree to the change. I would like to see Charles, Italo, Issa and Tim's comments on your panel 3 suggestion before accepting it as they have been contributing their comments the most on the designs. Thanks for your help with the design. We really appreciate your help. We will have need for more design help with other marketing items later as well; it would be nice if you could help us with these items. Issa has also been a great help with the design of these brochures. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
On 05/05/2013 06:35 AM, Mattias Põldaru wrote: 05.05.2013 12:39, Marc Paré kirjutas: * panel 3 -- front page: I am not sure I like this design. From a marketing point of view, IMO, the white at the top of the panel, gives the impression that someone forgot to add some text, I don't think we are too concerned with the panel 3 focusing on the OS's as this is what we actually want to do ... we want people who have picked up our brochure to realize that we are on these 3 OS's (and eventually Android and possibly more). Sounds reasonable. You got -1 for this proposal from me as well :) * frames ... great! I love the fact that the green bar is now tied in with the frame. This will cause fewer problems with community teams. * LibreOffice white logo in the green bar, yes, great the spacing is equal. Thanks! Did I make an ooops and not get the spacing correct for the icon in the green block? * I printed up a sample of the included text in your example that you set at 120%. I am not sure that I agree with this spacing. It makes the brochure look unconventional and too metric. IMO, if we are to tweak anything, we should try to tweak the size of the font to make it more readable. We have gone through this exercise before with sample text and IMO this should be left to the decision of the marketing team who will be creating the text and basing it on their own impression of readability and how it fits into the brochure -- IMO, the spacing is more of a marketing decision and less of design decision. The marketing team will be creating content for about 15 types of brochure and they will all have different content, but use the same community template design. I have no objections on using single line spacing. BTW, you forgot from the list that greater linespacing eats up a lot of space and we loose some valuable room for text. I have tested the font and line spacing with an older version of this brochure design style. I have tried adding and removing line spacing. I have tried normal and narrow/condensed fonts. To get the most out of the panel's space, I think a narrow or condensed font would look good. Yet, it will depend on the font[s] used. Also, whatever font you use, it would be better if you use a freely downloadable font that anyone could have access to. For me, when I get a good brochure with the content filled in, I would want it to be placed online for any other marketing person/group to take it and modify it to their needs. If people choose fonts that are not free or hard to find, then it may be a big issue for some people. I have the full Adobe font library from 2000[?]. I know most home/office users would not have access to those fonts, so I would never use them for this type of project. ** Don't forget, this thread is all about creating a community template without any text. Never forgot it. Just without text we cannot actually see what we are talking about. I alway test out the design[s] with sample content. That way I can see if the whole design works together. But, yes, we need to get the brochure template done so people can start working on the editing of the content. Then we would have a brochure that we could use for our next scheduled presentation [for me that is coming up fast]. I hope to be around to chime in on next designs as well. Regards Mattias -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Mattias Many thanks for your comment, Le 02/05/13 03:03 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : I took a look at these files. Please don't take it as much of a criticism but friendly notes on how to improve it. Here are my remarks: The logo on top green bar is vertically aligned to nothing. It would be pleasing on the eye if at least the paper icon looked vertically centered. And if possible, center text vertically as well (as done in previous versions). If you are talking about the logo itself, we do not have any choice. We must follow the design for logo external use as outlined on our wiki design page[1]. The logo is centered on each panel, if it is not, then, yes, it should be centered. As for goodlooking professional texts these usually have slightly smaller text with greater line spacing. IMHO 10,5 pt with 120% line spacing and 0.14 cm spacing below the paragraph looks fine. Although I don't think I would ever use Liberation fonts myself. We are trying to use fonts that are easily accessible to our members. The brochure is for external community use and the Liberation font is only a design suggestion. This is not the case with the official brochure where the font is specific and should be used. Right now we have 3 different greens on the page (front page logo, front page text and border). We should reduce it to one (or two, if one has to be pale). As for the white first page, saving ink is a good reason. But right now it looks kind of dull. Maybe if we would add a colorful image with all the icons flying out of LibreOffice box or something slightly fancy. Or use even more white (see linked file). Not sure if adding more objects on the brochure would make it print friendly. During our tests, we found that keeping to the LibreOffice design colors (greens) gave the best result as far as balancing the look and being easy on ink. These brochures will be printed on home printers for community, LUG, or small print runs. The panel positions on A4 doesn't exactly match, the positions from left should be 0,6 (was 0,51), 10,5 and 20,4 cm (was 20,48). And since you use panels the page text column gutter is not set, otherwise it should be double the border, 0,51 * 2 = 1,02 cm. Or was it to match up for the space lost when folding? (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6 = 0,595 (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅3+8,71 = 10,495 (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅5+8,71⋅2 = 20,395 We could play with the margin settings to make them better, sure, but in the end, the folding of the brochure needed enough space to allow for , as you say, space lost when folding. These will most likely be folded by hand. Feel free to modify the margins if this will make it easier to fold. We have to be careful as not to leave so little margin space that the folding will get harder to do. Again, these are community brochures. Since you use panels you could delete the bottom bar images and color the panel bottom border, which would make the problem of hiding images go away. I think I tried that, do you mean making the page itself green and the frame would then sit on the top? Maybe you could make a sample brochure of all these changes and show us? If you would like to do this, could you show us a sample before uploading it to the wiki brochure space? The design on the wiki page has already gone through a lot of discussion. Still, feel free to show us a modified brochure. Thanks for the comments and the help. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
On 05/04/2013 04:55 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Mattias Many thanks for your comment, Le 02/05/13 03:03 AM, Mattias Põldaru a écrit : I took a look at these files. Please don't take it as much of a criticism but friendly notes on how to improve it. Here are my remarks: The logo on top green bar is vertically aligned to nothing. It would be pleasing on the eye if at least the paper icon looked vertically centered. And if possible, center text vertically as well (as done in previous versions). If you are talking about the logo itself, we do not have any choice. We must follow the design for logo external use as outlined on our wiki design page[1]. The logo is centered on each panel, if it is not, then, yes, it should be centered. As for goodlooking professional texts these usually have slightly smaller text with greater line spacing. IMHO 10,5 pt with 120% line spacing and 0.14 cm spacing below the paragraph looks fine. Although I don't think I would ever use Liberation fonts myself. We are trying to use fonts that are easily accessible to our members. The brochure is for external community use and the Liberation font is only a design suggestion. This is not the case with the official brochure where the font is specific and should be used. Right now we have 3 different greens on the page (front page logo, front page text and border). We should reduce it to one (or two, if one has to be pale). As for the white first page, saving ink is a good reason. But right now it looks kind of dull. Maybe if we would add a colorful image with all the icons flying out of LibreOffice box or something slightly fancy. Or use even more white (see linked file). Not sure if adding more objects on the brochure would make it print friendly. During our tests, we found that keeping to the LibreOffice design colors (greens) gave the best result as far as balancing the look and being easy on ink. These brochures will be printed on home printers for community, LUG, or small print runs. The panel positions on A4 doesn't exactly match, the positions from left should be 0,6 (was 0,51), 10,5 and 20,4 cm (was 20,48). And since you use panels the page text column gutter is not set, otherwise it should be double the border, 0,51 * 2 = 1,02 cm. Or was it to match up for the space lost when folding? (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6 = 0,595 (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅3+8,71 = 10,495 (29,7−8,71⋅3)/6⋅5+8,71⋅2 = 20,395 We could play with the margin settings to make them better, sure, but in the end, the folding of the brochure needed enough space to allow for , as you say, space lost when folding. These will most likely be folded by hand. Feel free to modify the margins if this will make it easier to fold. We have to be careful as not to leave so little margin space that the folding will get harder to do. Again, these are community brochures. Since you use panels you could delete the bottom bar images and color the panel bottom border, which would make the problem of hiding images go away. I think I tried that, do you mean making the page itself green and the frame would then sit on the top? Maybe you could make a sample brochure of all these changes and show us? If you would like to do this, could you show us a sample before uploading it to the wiki brochure space? The design on the wiki page has already gone through a lot of discussion. Still, feel free to show us a modified brochure. Thanks for the comments and the help. Marc The font suggestion help people so they can see what type/style of font we tend to use. Liberation Sans is one of the fonts that are installed with LO, correct? We could add that to the template. We do not want to suggest any font that need to be installed by the user post-install of LibreOffice itself. I know of one template that told you to use an Adobe font and those are expensive to purchase. Liberation Sans is free and should have been installed at the same time as LibreOffice was on a Windows and/or Linux system. I do not know about Mac's install, since I do not own one. That font looks good and it is free, just like LibreOffice. I have printed the community design out on pastel green paper using a monochrome laser printer. The brochure looks nice that way. But, if you want the green text and images printed, then some off white, bright white, or light pastel paper would well for my inkjet printer tests. The whole idea is to make a brochure easily printable for the home and/or home/office user to print and hand out them. The official brochure design needs the use of a professional printing service to make good quality copies. Our local marketers, like me, have very little budget to use to make, print, or buy their marketing materials. Being able to print a nice looking brochure on the low priced inkjet and monochrome laser printers is a need. If they are lucky, the marketing person has access to an inkjet printer that prints directly onto
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
On 05/02/2013 03:03 AM, Mattias Põldaru wrote: 29.04.2013 17:01, Marc Paré kirjutas: Oops! The files can be found here: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt I took a look at these files. Please don't take it as much of a criticism but friendly notes on how to improve it. Just to be honest about the way the green logo design was started, I [Tim L. in the USA] created the original green brochure design for my community based needs that print well on my inkjet and blackwhile laser printers. Then Marc Paré took that design and tweaked it. Since I use the standard Letter size paper in the USA and most of the rest of the world uses the A4 standard paper, we needed to have two different versions, since the three frames/columns per size of the paper would be different sizes. To be perfectly honest, I could print my brochures in A4 but the only paper of that size I can get is a copy paper quality of paper and not any heavier weight that would be used for brochures. Also that A4 size copy paper costs about three times the price of the letter size copy paper quality of paper I can get from the same source or even locally in the big box office supply stores. Here are my remarks: The logo on top green bar is vertically aligned to nothing. It would be pleasing on the eye if at least the paper icon looked vertically centered. And if possible, center text vertically as well (as done in previous versions). Are you saying that you see the green logos are not centered on the columns/panels/frames? Those logos should be centered on each panel of the brochure, except for the panel on the far right. The green bar on the bottom balances the design on the page - .i.e. it looks better with them in my opinion. When the content is added to the template, you should see the logo and the template text centered in the column/frame. The actual text content would look great using a full justification in its text frame/cell but you have to deal with the word spacing issues and may need to do some manual hyphenations to make it look good. Having content text centered, and not justified [left, right, full] does not look professional in some cases and with some types of content. As for goodlooking professional texts these usually have slightly smaller text with greater line spacing. IMHO 10,5 pt with 120% line spacing and 0.14 cm spacing below the paragraph looks fine. Although I don't think I would ever use Liberation fonts myself. The text size needs to be large enough for easy reading. Sometimes the 120% line spacing works, while others it does not. Personally, I do not know how to set the 0.14 cm spacing after a paragraph. I tend to modify the font size of a blank line between paragraphs to get the needed spacing. Right now we have 3 different greens on the page (front page logo, front page text and border). We should reduce it to one (or two, if one has to be pale). The 3 greens maybe an issue for some, but that is a design issue with branded colors. The green logo is the exact green color of the new splash screen and that color was used for the logo. I was not the first to use that color. The green of the traditional logo on the far right panel has been used since the 3.3.x days. The text color either uses green 1 the main color uses. Or green 0 which is darker and sometimes looks better than green 1 for text. So yes, there may be several green colors, but it is all about using the current colors of the current logo and splash or web page colors. The you use the best branded green for the readability of the text. The darker green, for me, looks better in most situations. As for the white first page, saving ink is a good reason. But right now it looks kind of dull. Maybe if we would add a colorful image with all the icons flying out of LibreOffice box or something slightly fancy. Or use even more white (see linked file). Yes the far right panel, i.e. front panel, does not use a background color. It is not the saving of the ink but the look it has after you print the color background on standard home/office inkjet printers. Large blocks of a single color does not print well with all of the different inkjets I used. I use to have a color laser, and a printed background tended not to look well either in most cases I had to deal with. Sometimes, I even had small bits of the toner flack off on the heavy weight paper used for brochures - i.e. cover stock weights. I downloaded your file but it does not show anything like you stated except a single icon on the bottom of the left panel. I do not know how professional icons flying out of the logo box would be. The panel positions on A4 doesn't exactly match, the positions from left should be 0,6 (was 0,51), 10,5 and
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
On 04/29/2013 03:38 AM, Issa Alkurtass wrote: Hello Marc, Great job with the brochure. Just one thing.. Marc Paré wrote on April 29, 2013 5:52 AM: logo on panel 3 is now flat as suggested by Issa. It would be nice if you can make the logo's text flat as in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png Regards, Issa Alkurtass The logo cannot have The Document Foundation text without branding approval from the BoD. The Community version was created so there would not need to be any board involvement in approval of the marketing material a local user might make. Also, as per Marc's posting, the brochure's design works well with an inkjet printer. Also, I have printed it off on a laser printer in black and white. Both the color and monochrome printing works well for those I have shown it to locally. The key is to have a good brochure template that can be printed out on a home/office printer instead of needing professional printing services. This green design works well that way. I would like to thank Marc for taking my idea[s] and running with it, so to speak. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Le Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:52:23 -0400, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com a écrit : Hi Charles and Issa, et al, Sorry for getting back to this item so late. I have done as suggested and reworked the logo white on green into an .svg, logo on panel 3 is now flat as suggested by Issa. And ... * finally reworked the brochure columns and changed these to frames which make it easier to add text without messing up the design. * I have also worked the design into both A4 and USLtr. * I have simplified the file names so that these are easier identifiable. The files can be found here: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt We will work on content on the marketing list. A great many thanks to Issa for you help! Really appreciate the help and many thanks as well for your patience! Unless there are any real problems with these community pamphlet designs, I will put these in the marketing/design resource wiki page as soon as I have some time. Note, this design is the preferred design by Tim, he has tested these and it looks like they save more ink and still have a good look. Cool, thanks a lot Marc! Best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Tim, Le 29/04/13 08:47 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 04/29/2013 03:38 AM, Issa Alkurtass wrote: Hello Marc, Great job with the brochure. Just one thing.. Marc Paré wrote on April 29, 2013 5:52 AM: logo on panel 3 is now flat as suggested by Issa. It would be nice if you can make the logo's text flat as in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png Regards, Issa Alkurtass The logo cannot have The Document Foundation text without branding approval from the BoD. The Community version was created so there would not need to be any board involvement in approval of the marketing material a local user might make. I think Issa is just suggesting the flatness and not the use of words. I just assumed that he was concerned with the page icon and not the words.But now that I look at that panel, the rest of the text is also flat and we should follow through with that particular design. I'll re-work that logo and post the updated file today. Then, if we are all agreed, we will take our discussions back to marketing and get to work on the various brochure-type contents. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Le 29/04/13 09:13 AM, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi Tim, Le 29/04/13 08:47 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : On 04/29/2013 03:38 AM, Issa Alkurtass wrote: Hello Marc, Great job with the brochure. Just one thing.. Marc Paré wrote on April 29, 2013 5:52 AM: logo on panel 3 is now flat as suggested by Issa. It would be nice if you can make the logo's text flat as in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png Regards, Issa Alkurtass The logo cannot have The Document Foundation text without branding approval from the BoD. The Community version was created so there would not need to be any board involvement in approval of the marketing material a local user might make. I think Issa is just suggesting the flatness and not the use of words. I just assumed that he was concerned with the page icon and not the words.But now that I look at that panel, the rest of the text is also flat and we should follow through with that particular design. I'll re-work that logo and post the updated file today. Then, if we are all agreed, we will take our discussions back to marketing and get to work on the various brochure-type contents. Cheers, Marc I have updated the file. Could we just have one more look and then we will take our conversation back to the marketing list for content. Many thanks again for your help and suggestions Issa, really appreciate it. We will have more need for marketing VI design help with other items, it would be nice if you could help us with this. We'll need help with other paper products but also fun swag stuff. It would be great if you could help us out with this a little later ... we just need to get the brochures going for all of our marketing teams. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Le 29/04/13 08:54 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Cool, thanks a lot Marc! Best, Once this is done, we can finally get going on the content. Tim and I have already worked on the module content brochure and I will upload a proofed version and leave a note on the marketing list as soon as I have done this. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Le 29/04/13 09:52 AM, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 29/04/13 09:13 AM, Marc Paré a écrit : I have updated the file. Could we just have one more look and then we will take our conversation back to the marketing list for content. Many thanks again for your help and suggestions Issa, really appreciate it. We will have more need for marketing VI design help with other items, it would be nice if you could help us with this. We'll need help with other paper products but also fun swag stuff. It would be great if you could help us out with this a little later ... we just need to get the brochures going for all of our marketing teams. Cheers, Marc Oops! The files can be found here: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Marc, Am 29.04.2013 15:52, schrieb Marc Paré: I have updated the file. Could we just have one more look and then we will take our conversation back to the marketing list for content. Can you show the link to have a last look? -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Am 29.04.2013 16:01, schrieb Marc Paré: Le 29/04/13 09:52 AM, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 29/04/13 09:13 AM, Marc Paré a écrit : I have updated the file. Could we just have one more look and then we will take our conversation back to the marketing list for content. Many thanks again for your help and suggestions Issa, really appreciate it. We will have more need for marketing VI design help with other items, it would be nice if you could help us with this. We'll need help with other paper products but also fun swag stuff. It would be great if you could help us out with this a little later ... we just need to get the brochures going for all of our marketing teams. Cheers, Marc Oops! The files can be found here: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt First slot (first page of LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt): there is no green footer. The frame is above the green graphic. So it wouldn't show and printed. Added a screenshot for Marc. -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
On 04/29/2013 09:55 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 29/04/13 08:54 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Cool, thanks a lot Marc! Best, Once this is done, we can finally get going on the content. Tim and I have already worked on the module content brochure and I will upload a proofed version and leave a note on the marketing list as soon as I have done this. Cheers, Marc Marc, Let me know. I will use it as a replacement on the flyer gallery, or you could replace it if you care to. I am currently dealing with a suit and needa brochurefor a presentation to a group of them. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
On 04/29/2013 05:32 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Tim, Le 29/04/13 11:13 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : Marc, Let me know. I will use it as a replacement on the flyer gallery, or you could replace it if you care to. I am currently dealing with a suit and needa brochurefor a presentation to a group of them. I'll try to post later late tonight or early tomorrow morning. Cheers, Marc No problem I have been sick and recovering. I still am having vision issues, so I am not doing too much reading or computer things. Was to have visitors today, but they will be here in the morning- sometime. After Tuesday, I will [hopeto] be dropping the 4.0 guide books to my local library system. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Charles and Issa, et al, Sorry for getting back to this item so late. I have done as suggested and reworked the logo white on green into an .svg, logo on panel 3 is now flat as suggested by Issa. And ... * finally reworked the brochure columns and changed these to frames which make it easier to add text without messing up the design. * I have also worked the design into both A4 and USLtr. * I have simplified the file names so that these are easier identifiable. The files can be found here: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt We will work on content on the marketing list. A great many thanks to Issa for you help! Really appreciate the help and many thanks as well for your patience! Unless there are any real problems with these community pamphlet designs, I will put these in the marketing/design resource wiki page as soon as I have some time. Note, this design is the preferred design by Tim, he has tested these and it looks like they save more ink and still have a good look. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Le 16/04/13 03:31 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello Marc, Marc Paré wrote on April 16, 2013 3:54 AM: What do you mean by flat colored logo? The one referred to as Color Logo Basic https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png Regards, Issa Alkurtass Thanks for catching that. Yes, I wonder how that particular logo ended up on the brochure as we have been using that particular one for a few versions now. I imagine that the logo should come from our resources wiki page here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Gallery_Logos As you can see, the only community logo options in the Logo resources for community members and external use are a color logo contemporary style. There is no version of the flat/basic with no TDF subline. Should we make up a set of flat/basic logos for the resources page? The community teams could make use of either the contemporary or basic style just like the official logo versions? But, going back to the proposed community template, are you suggesting that the logo would look better with the page icon filled in white as in the flat logo? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hello Marc, Marc Paré wrote on April 16, 2013 3:54 AM: What do you mean by flat colored logo? The one referred to as Color Logo Basic https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoBasic_500px.png Regards, Issa Alkurtass Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hello Marc, Tim, Marc Paré wrote on April 11, 2013 8:37 AM: I can well imagine that Issa will also recommend that the header for panel3 should be removed as was done for the official version. Issa, is that what you would recommend? Yes indeed. One other minor thing would be to use the flat colored logo. Not important, but I think it would make it look more consistent. Sorry for not replying regarding the black panel, but I have no answer as I barely use office suites. Regards, Issa Alkurtass Warning: This message and its attachment, if any, are confidential and may contain information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message and its attachment, if any. You should not copy the message and its attachment, if any, or disclose its contents to any other person or use it for any purpose. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail and its attachment, if any, are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of King Abdulaziz city for Science and Technology (KACST) in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. KACST accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email. تحذير: هذه الرسالة وما تحويه من مرفقات (إن وجدت) تمثل وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات محمية بموجب القانون. إذا لم تكن الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة فيجب عليك تنبيه المُرسل بخطأ وصولها إليك، وحذف الرسالة ومرفقاتها (إن وجدت)، ولا يجوز لك نسخ أو توزيع هذه الرسالة أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزء منها، أو البوح بمحتوياتها للغير أو استعمالها لأي غرض. علماً بأن فحوى هذه الرسالة ومرفقاتها (ان وجدت) تعبر عن رأي المُرسل وليس بالضرورة رأي مدينة الملك عبدالعزيز للعلوم والتقنية بالمملكة العربية السعودية، ولا تتحمل المدينة أي مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن ما قد يحتويه هذا البريد. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Hi Issa, Le 15/04/13 04:21 AM, Issa Alkurtass a écrit : Hello Marc, Tim, Marc Paré wrote on April 11, 2013 8:37 AM: I can well imagine that Issa will also recommend that the header for panel3 should be removed as was done for the official version. Issa, is that what you would recommend? Yes indeed. One other minor thing would be to use the flat colored logo. Not important, but I think it would make it look more consistent. What do you mean by flat colored logo? Sorry for not replying regarding the black panel, but I have no answer as I barely use office suites. No problem, it is a minor thing and we can try to fix it. The design is what is important. Great we will call that official design template for 4.0.x complete! I'll take care of moving it to our resources page[1]. Regards, Issa Alkurtass Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
Le 07/04/13 10:36 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : Today, I am going to the office supply store and buy some paper that costs about 3 time that of normal inkjet paper. The text in the online description states it helps with any bleed-through for double sided printing. So I will give it a try. Also, I will be getting a green pastel paper. I want to try the different brochure designs printed on a green paper to see how it looks that way. The little bleed-through paper is a bright white, so it may not work well for some people. The pastel green is a softer color that stand out on a table of a rack of brochures, like the local library uses. Once we get the text of the brochure templates done, then I will be printing out about 100+ brochures. Here is the link [again?] of the green community themed brochure template [no content]. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4-letter-size--v8-green-logo--no-tdf--template-only.odt Hi Tim, Thanks for the textless version. I can well imagine that Issa will also recommend that the header for panel3 should be removed as was done for the official version. Issa, is that what you would recommend? Unless I am wrong, it looks like with the experimenting, that Tim would prefer to preserve our initial pamphlet design. If we could also come to an agreement on a community version soon, it would be great. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Brochure template design - green community logo with testing content included
On 04/06/2013 06:03 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 05/04/13 02:39 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit : It was suggested that I post this updated Green Community Logo version, of the brochure, to the design list. Someone suggested to me that things were getting lost in the discussions going on, both online and offline. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4-letter-size--v8-green-logo--no-tdf.odt Thanks Tim. Maybe next time we could include some Lorem Ipsum text instead! :-) But, seriously, the text in this example still needs to be corrected and is in need of some changes. So please do not look at the text, but let's work on the template design. But please do not use the pamphlet as is, we will be putting the text through a final proofing on the marketing list!!! Just to put this more into context and to put all of the suggested pamphlet template files on one thread -- Tim has test-tried the other community pamphlet templates suggested in our other threads and has found that, except for the ink-saver pamphlet[1], where there were not problems, the other two that I had suggested[2][3] presented problems with ink-bleed-through the page, more expensive, and showed shadows of the other side of the page due to the amount of black background used in the templates. I have also tried them, but have only laser printers and could not try ink-jet. My laser prints were not bad, but I can well imagine that the results would be quite different on ink-jet printers which are more in use than lasers. So, OK, let's totally eliminate my two proposals. The ink-saver pamphlet, while it does work, is IMO, not that appealing. I am not sure if we would be defeating the purpose of a pamphlet if the first impression we leave is that the pamphlet is in need of beautifying. From a marketing point of view this would not be our objective, we want the reader to concentrate on the pamphlet's text. Tim is now suggesting that we go back to our original community pamphlet template which works[4], and is not hard on ink, the bleed-through is not a consideration. I have changed my view on this and will agree with Tim, that we should keep to the proven community template, with the community logo. This will be easier on printing costs for our members/groups who wish to print off some pamphlets, while allowing for the offset printing of our official pamphlets. Comments? Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCircle.odt [3] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeVersion4BrochureA4WebsitelikeCommunityNoSublineAllHalfCirclePanel1LOLogo.odt [4] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4---A4-paper-size--v4--websitelike.odt Today, I am going to the office supply store and buy some paper that costs about 3 time that of normal inkjet paper. The text in the online description states it helps with any bleed-through for double sided printing. So I will give it a try. Also, I will be getting a green pastel paper. I want to try the different brochure designs printed on a green paper to see how it looks that way. The little bleed-through paper is a bright white, so it may not work well for some people. The pastel green is a softer color that stand out on a table of a rack of brochures, like the local library uses. Once we get the text of the brochure templates done, then I will be printing out about 100+ brochures. Here is the link [again?] of the green community themed brochure template [no content]. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Brochure-lo-4-letter-size--v8-green-logo--no-tdf--template-only.odt -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
