Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2018/Sep/19
It would be nice, however it would be nicer if we could get some dev support to finish up the Notebookbar to take it out of experimental mode. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 7:20 PM V Stuart Foote wrote: > Forwarding response rcvd PM... > > > From: Miguel Mayol > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 19:34:45 +0200 > Subject: Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting > 2018/Sep/19 > To: V Stuart Foote > > Thanks a lot for understanding the concept. It costs me a lot to be > understand. > > As for MOUSE utility SMART HIDE is more important, but this would be, for > new users, a fingers friendly unified design, with almost zero training - > AZT - from one device to other, and phones are far more used than desktop > PCs, and if LO becomes the "de facto" tablet and phone office suite as it > is > finger friendly other kind of menu - traditional text one - would not > welcome this new finger friendly users to come to the desktop and web > version. > > I think LO can do as Chrome did with MSIE, obliterate MSO, because it is > much better and in this case FOSS when MSO isn't. > > Improving menus, - a material design alike approach would be also good, but > I do think nested icons - ideograms in vertical dock plus 3x3 nested icons > - > ideograms with subtittle if needed is better > > And putting in valor LO base when many people use MS Excel as database as > MS > Access is not inside the basic and cheaper MSO bundle teaching LO base with > mini cases escenarios for university teachers / pupils that are AZT and > improve their productivity using computers can also be a good strategy. > > But that BASE promotion is a work someone hired to do so by the foundation > should do, some day. or i think so. > > And with finger friendly menus and versions for Android it will be much > easier to do. > > > > > -- > Sent from: > http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Design-f1935996.html > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2018/Sep/19
Forwarding response rcvd PM... From: Miguel Mayol Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 19:34:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2018/Sep/19 To: V Stuart Foote Thanks a lot for understanding the concept. It costs me a lot to be understand. As for MOUSE utility SMART HIDE is more important, but this would be, for new users, a fingers friendly unified design, with almost zero training - AZT - from one device to other, and phones are far more used than desktop PCs, and if LO becomes the "de facto" tablet and phone office suite as it is finger friendly other kind of menu - traditional text one - would not welcome this new finger friendly users to come to the desktop and web version. I think LO can do as Chrome did with MSIE, obliterate MSO, because it is much better and in this case FOSS when MSO isn't. Improving menus, - a material design alike approach would be also good, but I do think nested icons - ideograms in vertical dock plus 3x3 nested icons - ideograms with subtittle if needed is better And putting in valor LO base when many people use MS Excel as database as MS Access is not inside the basic and cheaper MSO bundle teaching LO base with mini cases escenarios for university teachers / pupils that are AZT and improve their productivity using computers can also be a good strategy. But that BASE promotion is a work someone hired to do so by the foundation should do, some day. or i think so. And with finger friendly menus and versions for Android it will be much easier to do. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Design-f1935996.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2018/Sep/19
Fertile concept for another MUFFIN mode. Implementing a widget framework to hold a matrix of menu actions would of course reuse existing .uno controls. I can see some utility for use on tablets/slates, or even phones--but a traditional "non-touch" mouse driven Desktop would not benefit greatly. And of course there is dilution of dev effort and the long support tail GUI efforts like this impose. None the less, an interesting GUI proposal in the spirit of MUFFIN. -- Sent from: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Design-f1935996.html -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Fwd: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2018/Sep/19
Just forwarding to the mailing list Forwarded Message Subject:Re: [libreoffice-design] Agenda for the design/UX meeting 2018/Sep/19 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 16:27:01 +0200 From: Miguel Mayol To: Heiko Tietze Thanks, I tried to customize, BUT I cannot do NESTED icons. If you add this feature, where any user can setup a vertical - or horizontal - dock with 3x3 menu matrix that would appear after pressing - clicking the main menu icon - imagine that you only copy peast the actual menu to this format... You press help icon in the vertical dock and then a floating 3x3 matrix icon - or a floating dock appears and you can press LO help // What is this? // ... // About LO and back So as the FILE menu has 24 options plus up to 12 nested options make the FILE ICON with up to 8 main options ICONS with 4 each one, and 2 with 6, or even Why 3x3 matrix icons 8 menu items plus back? because yo look at all in one sight, and not in 4x4 or bigger. It is not a special use need, it is a suggestion for a finger friendly menu, even more than material design that still uses text menus and not icons - ideograms - that would be very useful in tablets or phones where you can dictate to write, or hand write "to OCR", And in computer i use a 28" 16:9 screen, and to read 2 A4 pages together well I must select full screen mode thing I cannot do when I compare versions or want to copy paste paragraphs. Use that a auto hide menu, and better if it is vertical would help a lot to be more productive, but also would give the lignux distributions freedom to setup menus and it would be a easier to use alternative to the MS ribbon menu, that is not "finger friendly". Last but not least, announcing the mere OPTION to be able to configure this kind of SMART HIDE and FINGER FRIENDLY menu with a basic port of the actual menu as described before or even better, even it were in alpha stage for years would probably give your next LO design summit good things to talk about to the press, and with that a great free promotion. Thanks again for your work, and if I was not able to make you understand my point - [- as user since the Star office times - with productivity studies - economist - and novelist - I had to wait to the LO 6 version to be able to share my novel in epub as it is a conversation in colors and no prior software converted it -. I wrote that in palm PIM times thinking in future smartphones before the iphone. I actually write doctoral papers with LO and Gdocs] yes a rare very techy and futuristic guy from 1966 - I am sorry, but I do not how to explain myself better right now. El jue., 20 sept. 2018 a las 10:54, Heiko Tietze (mailto:tietze.he...@gmail.com>>) escribió: Hello Miguel, glad to see happy users. First, if you have enhancement ideas please file a ticket on Bugzilla [1]. That's needed for transparency and traceability. The suggestion itself sounds to cover a very special use case (that you haven't described), or maybe I don't understand it. You want to put all the commands from the classic menu into a single dock? You will end up in a very deep hierarchy when using all items! But anyway, you can try per Tools > Customize, and eventually it could be an interesting alternative for our Notebookbar concept. Thanks for your input, Heiko [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport On 9/18/18 3:59 PM, Miguel Mayol wrote: > Thanks all for your excellent work. > > I would love to be able to configure all the menus in a vertical (or configurable) nested dock with smart hide. Similar to material design > This way I would have more space to work my frequent used tools in the first box - icon - and all the others in the other boxes - icons, ideograms - > And if they can be configured to be big - big fingers friendly - it can be great even for use in the lignux phones and tablets that are going to come as the librem. > > I do not know if it is very hard to offer this freedom to configure menus options, but if it is not hard to do, please do, and not only to please what I think would improve my workflow, also to let lignus distributions to setup their defaults as they think is better or nicer, and be able to have different profiles and or themes to test, switch or even use different ones depending on the task. > > Thanks again for your work, and in advance if you explore this path of vertical or configurable nested menus. -- MIGUEL MAYOL TUR Imagen -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
