[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
The Precise Pangolin has reached end of life, so this bug will not be fixed for that release ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Triaged => Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Changed in: libgnomekbd Status: Confirmed => Expired ** Changed in: rhythmbox Status: Confirmed => Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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the fix looks like it'll reintroduce some form of #9529? or was the use of level4n instead of level4nl intentional? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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ok, Daniel and Julien put last two nails into that coffin. I removed right control as level5 modifier in git. Thank you everybody. Really sorry there is no perfect solution here... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Changed in: xkeyboard-config Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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FWIW after user complaints I've reverted this change in Debian's xkeyboard-config, to have right control behave normally again. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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At the risk of just making things worse ... My €0.02 is that we should stick with level 5 right Control as being optional. This is a marginal (in terms of percentage of userbase that will ever see/use it) layout that people have to go out of their way to use, but still taking away a modifier is a pretty big and surprising step. I've got sympathy with the non-breaking-space thing from a strict technical correctness point of view, however it just can't be essential for day-to-day usage if Windows requires you to enter it by the Unicode codepoint. If such a large percentage of the French-speaking world cope with it, then so can we. I think Andreas's proposal is the only sensible one. Some people won't be happy with it, but if this discussion (and that of Bépo) has shown us anything, it's that you really can't please anyone when dealing with alternate French keyboard layouts. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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BTW, about the punctuation signs that, in French, requires a nbsp before them, i.e. ; : ! ? (for perfect typographic correctness, while usually few people know about this and nobody really cares...) : Usual word processing programs, such as OpenOffice / LibreOffice, when configured to the french locale, add these typographically required nbsps automagically, so people actually do not have to type the nbsp, which makes the need for an easy entry of these still less of an issue. Should we follow the slope of stealing a useful right [Ctrl] key for this, then me might well in the future steal the left one for the dash - , as in french, we typographically use at least 3 different lenghts for dashes. As previously, word processing software usually transforms the normal dash into the typographically correct dash... Nope, all this mess of quite complex and unusual characters is the very reason for which meta and compose keys exist in the first place... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Swâmi, We've all laid out these arguments many times over. Yes, this issue is frustrating (and I regret having vented some of my own frustration in my first comments) but let's keep it civil. There are proposed solutions. I, for one, think Andreas' proposal is the best way out of the current dead lock as it would allow each and everyone of us to configure the fr-oss layout the way we want it. It's now up to Sergey and Nicolas to decide how to move this forward. Cheers -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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I too believe that Andreas' proposal is the right one. It permits people who really want the extra 5th level to be able to easily get it, while not breaking the 99% usual usage. Just for the record, I had not seen the linuxfr discussion. I guess mostly only people who would want the extra 5th level did realize that it would steal the right control key. If a discussion happened on are people fine with making the right control key the 5th level modifier by *default*, the result would be quite different, I believe. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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About a short nbsp in french, let's make it perfectly clear that there must be about a hundred professionnal typographists in the whole country who care about it - most of them not using Linux BTW - and the rest of the ~40 million computer users here don't give a shit about a short nbsp and don't even know what it is, feel perfectly happy with the correct french they write without it, and many of them just would like their fscking right [Ctrl] key back. If a so thin minority of professional typographists that in no way represent the average french Joe user want this modifier, it's perfectly OK that they devise their own special layout for their on needs, but by no means impose it on the rest of us. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Created attachment 98826 Make Level 5 choosers more easily available The patch makes existing options for Level 5 choosers more easily available by adding them to the rules. This is useful in its own right, irrespective of this bug. In context of this ongoing discussion, it would allow to change back to the old default, and allow users who prefer the current behaviour to use the options lv5:rctrl_switch and nbsp:level4n to get their preferred behaviour. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Nicolas, Where does the need to *have* a key for nbsp come from? Isn't a compose combo more appropriate and less error-prone? Cheers -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #75) Nicolas, Where does the need to *have* a key for nbsp come from? Because unlike in English most French punctuation symbols require a space (sometimes a short space) before. And if it's not a non-breakable space apps will perform line breaks at the wrong position and you'll end up with orphan sumbols at line starts Online http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espace_ins%C3%A9cable Actual authoritative reverence (highly recommended if you want to work on any system with French inputs or outputs) http://www.amazon.fr/Lexique-r%C3%A8gles-typographiques-lImprimerie-Nationale/dp/2743304820 Lack of non breakspace on French layouts on some OSes is such a basic problem OpenOffice/LibreOffice had to hardcode a nbspc combo but that does not help when writing in you MUA, your browser, your IM client, etc Isn't a compose combo more appropriate and less error-prone? Compose is not appropriate for basic symbols you need to write pretty much any correct sentence in the target language. And adding a specific input method for one symbol just because some people can't live with the modifier ISO chose for level 5 is disproportionnate. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #76) Compose is not appropriate for basic symbols you need to write pretty much any correct sentence in the target language. And adding a specific input method for one symbol just because some people can't live with the modifier ISO chose for level 5 is disproportionnate. Woow, calm down guys. What's disproportionate is the reaction here! *before* the change this report introduced, and which many of us are trying to get reverted, *both* nbsp and nbspc were easily available: nbsp AltGr+Shift+Space nbspc Ctrl+Shift+Space Reverting the change this report introduced would get this behavior. Please understand we just want to get nbspc moved back where it *was* (or for me, anywhere on a 1-4 level), not removed or anything. Also, realize that currently there is only *one* Level5-specific symbol, and that's nbspc, so we basically have a key only for that. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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I'm at a loss as to what to do to help find a solution for everyone. fr-oss is a great layout with many useful improvements over fr-latin9, but the missing ControlR is a deal breaker. I'm personally back to using the default fr layout and I'll advise users to do the same if they want their ControlR back. @Ubuntu users listening in through Launchpad: use whatever control panel you have to select a layout that doesn't have the words Alternative or variante. Cheers -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #66) Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in France? Like slashdot.org or smth... There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site. I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices but 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a lot more hate mail 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not the same as C code). It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting corners -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #69) … Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in France? Like slashdot.org or smth... There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site. I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices A site like linuxfr.org may well be a vocal minority in itself. Nothing proves that linuxfr.org is representative of ordinary users. And even on linuxfr.org I have seen posts saying where is my CRTL-R gone? or my keyboard is broken since some new version of Ubuntu. In a way, suppressing one of the customary CTRL keys is intrinsically a minority point of view. [Furthermore, the French layout for the Belgian keyboard depends on the French layout for the French keyboard. I do not see why a discussion on linuxfr.org should decide that Belgians have no use of right CTRL.] but 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a lot more hate mail I doubt having a right CTRL key ever generated hate mail. That hate mail was about other questions. 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization We are not here discussing space bar, but right CTRL. Is right CTRL modular? Is there an option easily accessible to the ordinary user to restore right CTRL? 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not the same as C code). It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting corners The clamor is not against proper French of for removal of anything. Furthermore, how could an ordinary user try to design a solution? The user wants a common PC keyboard with CTRL keys, without having to write the code himself. The clamor is: do what you can to allow writing proper French —and thank you for your trying to do it— but leave the right CTRL. --- If no agreement can be reached, would it be possible to have the old layout accessible, even under another name? I do not know how many variants are allowed, by design, or by freedesktop conventions. Of course a new variant would be useless if it didn’t appear in the choices offered to an ordinary user by the most popular GNU Linux distributions. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #69) (In reply to comment #66) Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in France? Like slashdot.org or smth... There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site. But this has the same pitfall as any volunteered survey, it isn't any kind of representative. I for example myself barely ever read a linuxfr article, and wouldn't participate or even see a survey there. That doesn't mean I'm not a French fr/oss user :) Also note that people suffering from the situations are a lot more likely to do something and speak their mind than people perfectly happy with the situation. So probably discussing a problem is likely to only include opinion from people not happy with the current state, and people closely involved. I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices but Just to be fair, I see *no one* else here arguing towards keeping right Ctrl Level5 modifier -- but sure, as I state above, people happy with it won't see the discussion or care, so it may be biased. 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a lot more hate mail If it broke people's apps (or apps broke with it, I don't care who's fault it is), I surely can understand people being angry. But similarly, since the change from this report broke people's right Ctrl key, I can understand they get angry. 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization And we thank you for your work. But I don't think it's realistic to think everyone can choose the previous behavior if it means editing the keymap. I already said it, but it took me quite some time to find what caused my right Ctrl key to no longer work and fix it, and I think it's fair to consider myself a quite advanced user. If really reverting the addition of Level5 is not an option (but see below), please add an alternative layout. 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not the same as C code). The change in this particular report did not add or remove any symbol, it only moved one to Level5 because some apps couldn't handle CtrlSpace with this layout. And as I said earlier, most of the incriminated apps (at least that I know of) don't even use CtrlSpace anymore, rendering the change moot for them. And even if we wanted to please those apps, we mayb be able to without adding a new modifier (Level5) and a key for it -- again, see (comment #46). Also note that event though I admittedly don't use short-nbsp (I'm afraid I don't know the rules where this one should be used in French typography), I'm an heavy user of nbsp everywhere French typography tells me to do it. So no, I don't want to remove anything, don't worry -- but I'd like my right Ctrl key back :) It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting corners It sure is, but although my nearly non-existent knowledge of keymaps may make my message somewhat irrelevant (e.g. I don't know how to apply my ideas), I investigated possible solutions in comment #46 -- although no one followed up on those. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #71) And even if we wanted to please those apps, we mayb be able to without adding a new modifier (Level5) and a key for it -- again, see (comment #46). I'm pretty sure some of the other spacebar configurations available as xkb options do not require level5. They are not the default for fr(oss) because without level5 it is too easy to type a nbspc by mistake and random nbspc everywhere breaks lots of things (as reported by fr latin9 users). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #72) The old layout was never removed and kept its historical name (fr latin9) No, we are speaking here of fr/oss, but before it got right Ctrl as level5 modifier (what this bug end up changing). I bet everyone complaining here was very happy with fr/oss before this Level5 modifier -- at least I was, this map has so everything useful (and more) on handy locations :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #70) If no agreement can be reached, would it be possible to have the old layout accessible, even under another name? The old layout was never removed and kept its historical name (fr latin9) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Nicolas, I understand the logic in your position about Level 5. But I see a number of unhappy people. Could we find some other level5 chooser? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Okay, your vote is currently happening on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 with 4 new entries today (from different people), 100% of them saying : « PLEASE GIVE US OUR RIGHT [CTRL] KEY BEHAVING AS A [CTRL] KEY BACK !!! » To summarize further, AFAIK, there is ONE person in the world happy that the french right [CTRL] has been broke, 100% of the other french keyboard users who want their [CTRL] key back,... ...and the rest of the world doesn't use a french keyboard and doesn't care. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Since apparently no hardware maker is following ISO standards, may I suggest creating new layouts such as oss-iso with Nicolas' changes? Nicolas, what do you think? Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in France? Like slashdot.org or smth... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site of that kind. There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have general computer related news (http://www.nextinpact.com/ http://www.clubic.com/ http://www.numerama.com/). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site of that kind. There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have general computer related news (http://www.nextinpact.com/ http://www.clubic.com/ http://www.numerama.com/). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
There is also ubuntu-fr.org Le 27 avr. 2014 00:01, Yvon TANGUY von...@yahoo.fr a écrit : At my knowledge it is http://linuxfr.org/ the most famous and oldest site of that kind. There is also others web sites, but they are more general, they have general computer related news (http://www.nextinpact.com/ http://www.clubic.com/ http://www.numerama.com/). -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard Status in libgnomekbd: Confirmed Status in Listen, a Music player and management: Confirmed Status in Quod Libet is a GTK+-based audio player written in Python.: Unknown Status in The Rhythmbox Music Management Application: Confirmed Status in SciTE - A free source code editor for Win32 and X: New Status in central project for keyboard configuration: Confirmed Status in “quodlibet” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “rhythmbox” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in “xkeyboard-config” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in “xkeyboard-config” source package in Precise: Triaged Bug description: [Impact] In the fr(oss) keymap, both space and Ctrl + space return the same XLookupString, which prevents space from being used in some applications. This had been fixed in lucid and maverick, but the patch appears to have been misplaced during the (rather major) update from 1.8 to 2.1, thus the reports of it regressing in comments #135 and #141, as well as dupe bug #938671. [Development Fix] Patch 128_fix_oss_ctrl_space_accelerator.patch fixed this problem in lucid and maverick, but was dropped in natty when we updated to upstream xkeyboard-config 2.1. However, the patch was also sent upstream and accepted there. So for quantal a cherrypick of that commit was backported. [Stable Fix] Since currently quantal is shipping the same xkeyboard-config version as precise, we can carry the same patch there as well. [Test Case] 1. Set keyboard to fr(oss). (Note due to unrelated bug, you need to do this in your /etc/defaults/keyboard config file.) 2. Start rhythmbox 3. Do a song search 4. Type in a search term that includes a space character Broken Behavior: Space triggers the play/pause function in rhythmbox Fixed Behavior: A space character is inserted [Regression Potential] The patch is one we carried in lucid and maverick (when rhythmbox was the default music player IIRC), and has been upstream for a while. So I think it is a safe change. Actually, I'm surprised there have not been more complaints about it lately. But during the interim we'd switched to banshee so perhaps users didn't notice it. [Original Report] I tried to search for The Do in the search bar, but the space bar didn't write a space. Instead, it played the currently selected song (space is the shortcut for playing/pausing the song). I've just installed the last Hardy release candidate. ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 Date: Wed Apr 23 19:30:12 2008 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.04 ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/rhythmbox NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Package: rhythmbox 0.11.5-0ubuntu6 PackageArchitecture: i386 ProcEnviron: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: rhythmbox Uname: Linux 2.6.24-16-generic i686 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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2014-04-26 16:50 GMT-04:00 Sergey V. Udaltsov s...@gnome.org: Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in France? Like slashdot.org or smth... I think you are looking for http://linuxfr.org/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Great ! Now the FR right [Ctrl] is B.R.O.K.E.N on Ubuntu 14.04 as well. Given the number of french Ubuntu users (+ upcoming derivatives) I think you'll have your vote and survey very soon, just by taking a look at lauchpad bug entries and new comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 - which are not reflected here - some of the latest ones being very hmmm... vocal. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
I'm French and I think left and right control keys should behave the same as in every other normal french layouts. Here is a survey for those in here that want to give their opinion: http://doodle.com/i3f5vpiaqk37ebms I agree with Remi, I understand we want to follow the ISO standard, but if the standard isn't appreciated by most of the users, we should create a new oss-iso layout. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
Hah... actually I'm the one that reported that bug 6 years ago! I didn't even remember... I think it's time to close this bug once and for all. So please, vote ;) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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I feel extremely uneasy because I am a user of free software and I am full of respect and gratitude for the people who make this possible, including of course Nicolas Mailhot. I am an amateur and I am conscious that I rely entirely on the work of devoted paid and unpaid professionals. But in this case, I must crudely say, because it was hinted that we should have a vote: the vote already happened, here in Bugzilla, and in Launchpad, and elsewhere in many forums. The result obviously is: Nicolas Mailhot against the rest of the world. I think the rest of the world constitutes a majority compared to Nicolas Mailhot alone. Therefore one should immediately revert to the last good version with two Control keys. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #60) Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point. Allow me to sum it up. - Nicolas is the sole advocate of having Control_R mapped to Level5. - The rest of us want to go back to having both left and right Control behaving the same way. I'm not quite sure how you want us to organize a vote or poll. French Linux users (just like non-French ones) use a variety of distributions (which, BTW, may not ship the changed version of xkeyboard-config), and may not even all use a French keyboard (I'd say roughly half of my Linux-using friends and coworkers are using US qwerty layouts or mac layouts). Since apparently no hardware maker is following ISO standards, may I suggest creating new layouts such as oss-iso with Nicolas' changes? As one of Gentoo's X11 maintainers, I am really tempted to just revert that change downstream. The few French users I have talked to were just as surprised as I was to lose their Control_R key for no apparent reason. I could organize a poll on my blog but being aggregated only on Planet Gentoo, I wouldn't give much credit to any numbers I could find. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point. I am refusing to make any changes before there is either some kind of agreement - or there are some minimally conclusive voting results. I do not take any sides (I cannot have any personal opinion, not using French). I am just freezing the situation. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 221112]
All answers ask to perform the change. How is that not an agreement? I was hoping to get it in this release of Ubuntu. Alas. 2014-04-18 1:06 GMT+02:00 Sergey V. Udaltsov s...@gnome.org: Gentlemen, I am really stuck at that point. I am refusing to make any changes before there is either some kind of agreement - or there are some minimally conclusive voting results. I do not take any sides (I cannot have any personal opinion, not using French). I am just freezing the situation. -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard Status in libgnomekbd: Confirmed Status in Listen, a Music player and management: Confirmed Status in Quod Libet is a GTK+-based audio player written in Python.: Unknown Status in The Rhythmbox Music Management Application: Confirmed Status in SciTE - A free source code editor for Win32 and X: New Status in central project for keyboard configuration: Confirmed Status in “quodlibet” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “rhythmbox” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in “xkeyboard-config” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in “xkeyboard-config” source package in Precise: Triaged Bug description: [Impact] In the fr(oss) keymap, both space and Ctrl + space return the same XLookupString, which prevents space from being used in some applications. This had been fixed in lucid and maverick, but the patch appears to have been misplaced during the (rather major) update from 1.8 to 2.1, thus the reports of it regressing in comments #135 and #141, as well as dupe bug #938671. [Development Fix] Patch 128_fix_oss_ctrl_space_accelerator.patch fixed this problem in lucid and maverick, but was dropped in natty when we updated to upstream xkeyboard-config 2.1. However, the patch was also sent upstream and accepted there. So for quantal a cherrypick of that commit was backported. [Stable Fix] Since currently quantal is shipping the same xkeyboard-config version as precise, we can carry the same patch there as well. [Test Case] 1. Set keyboard to fr(oss). (Note due to unrelated bug, you need to do this in your /etc/defaults/keyboard config file.) 2. Start rhythmbox 3. Do a song search 4. Type in a search term that includes a space character Broken Behavior: Space triggers the play/pause function in rhythmbox Fixed Behavior: A space character is inserted [Regression Potential] The patch is one we carried in lucid and maverick (when rhythmbox was the default music player IIRC), and has been upstream for a while. So I think it is a safe change. Actually, I'm surprised there have not been more complaints about it lately. But during the interim we'd switched to banshee so perhaps users didn't notice it. [Original Report] I tried to search for The Do in the search bar, but the space bar didn't write a space. Instead, it played the currently selected song (space is the shortcut for playing/pausing the song). I've just installed the last Hardy release candidate. ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 Date: Wed Apr 23 19:30:12 2008 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.04 ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/rhythmbox NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Package: rhythmbox 0.11.5-0ubuntu6 PackageArchitecture: i386 ProcEnviron: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: rhythmbox Uname: Linux 2.6.24-16-generic i686 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- Olivier Grégoire -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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BTW Sergey, I'm a bit surprised that you want a vote to fix something that people complain about, when you didn't need any vote to break it in the first place... Would you need a vote, I suggest that you put a survey system online by yourself on any web page that you'd like (so you know the vote is impartial), and we let people know about it... If you asks for a vote, it sounds logical that you organize it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Sergey, you might want to check Ubuntu bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881 , which is a downstream reflection of this one. There are some other loud voices there that you might consider as taking part to the vote that you want. I had in my office 2 peopl that complained about this, this month. Maybe you could count them as well ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #54) So, finally, is everybody happy with me removing that line: include level5(rctrl_switch) No, just didn't see the point of restating what has already been written before A level 5 map needs a level 5 switch, iso defined right ctrl as default level 5 switch so there is no better option available, and users who do not care about the fifth level can choose another spacebar variant since they are configurable. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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I never heard of or used the level5 either, but to solve the issue could we maybe put it in another layout? For example something like oss- level5? I personally have to patch the file on every package update and even if I'm used to that and have the patch ready now, it gets annoying. On my laptop the right Ctrl key is adjascent to the arrows and it's way more convenient to be able to move through words in a text using only the right hand. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Repeating : 1/ Standard French keyboard has NO [CtrlGr] key. It does have 2 normal [Ctrl] keys bearing the exact same label. The right [Ctrl] key actually is a right [Ctrl] key and no other modifier or whatever. 2/ There are quite a *lot* of common, daily used by professional IT staff, keyboard shortcuts or combinations such as [Ctrl]-[Arrows], [Ctrl]-[PageUp/Down], [Ctrl]-[Home], [Ctrl]-[End], plus all such combinations adding [Shift], then [Ctrl]-L, [Ctrl]-M... - All these day-long used combinations can be conveniently played with 2 (or 3) fingers when the right [Ctrl] key actually is a right [Ctrl] key, and changing this key breaks them all, needing people to start using both hands for typing what they have typed with 2 fingers for 30 YEARS ! And mistype. And mistype. And mistype. 3/ The issue with Rythmbox looks solved for long, and who wants to break professional use of a keyboard for a solved bug in a music player ? 4/ Nobody (normal user) I talked to has ever heard about a level 5 story, nor do people give a damn. 5/ Everybody wanting to type non-breakable space in word processors (LibreOffice...) do it with [Ctrl]-[Shift]-[Space] and don't need a specifically modified right Ctrl for that. 6/ Breaking right [Ctrl] breaks other apps that specifically request it NOT to be broke, such as [VirtualBox] - again professional stuff. Breaking the right [Ctrl] keys on the french keyboard is plain stupid, period. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Even though I've been an IT professional for the past 3O years, I went to a large computer store in France over lunch time, to find out if such thing as a [CtrlGr] key could possibly exist on a french keyboard. Let me tell you : I couldn't find any. OTOH, I was surprised to notice that some tablets with removable keyboards, as well as some ultrabooks with space-saver keyboards, did not have a right [Ctrl] key at all ! All have a left [Ctrl], left [Alt] and right [AltGr]. The vast majority of times, they have a right [Ctrl] key which is similar to the left one. But sometimes there is no right [Ctrl] at all ! This single fact prohibits a standard keymap giving a different assignation to the right [Ctrl] key, because this key may well not even exist on a given keyboard ! Thus you cannot rely on it for any feature that could be positively necessary. That makes Yet Another Good Reason™ to keep the good 'ole behaviour of having 2 similarily mapped [Ctrl] keys. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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I had yet another good reason to revert to a normal right [CTRL] key on a Fedora this morning: I was working in a terminal with several open terminal tabs. Switching between tabs is made using [Ctrl]-[PageUp] and [Ctrl]-[PageDown] - same goes with other Gnome tabbed apps, as well as Firefox and Chromium... If you have a working right [Ctrl] key, switching tabs is easy, you just need 2 fingers from your right hand. If you don't have a working right [Ctrl] key, you need both hands. Having the broken right [Ctrl] key was so annoying at work, that I had to fix it immediately. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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So, finally, is everybody happy with me removing that line: include level5(rctrl_switch) ? If no objections within next week - I will just drop it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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More arguments in favor of reverting to an normal behaviour of Ctrl-R: -- Most computers in most operating systems, languages (including French until recently), desktops... have two identical Ctrl keys. It is queer to have French keyboards doing otherwise since a few years. -- Like having two Shift keys, two Ctrl keys are better for easy fast typing. By the way, breaking the French keyboard breaks the Belgian keyboard too. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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I spent a couple days extremely disappointed to have a broken right [CTRL] key on a french keyboard on recent Arch installs, thus being unable to use VirtualBox properly, and googling around (and let me tell you that my googling showed me a *lot* of french people are really upset with this as well) I finally found out that this breakage comes from this commit : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard- config/commit/symbols/fr?id=518c769df2e9ce70cb721769a08b81504f243b2a ( http://goo.gl/SWU8Is ) Let me tell you that this breakage of right [CTRL], assigning it to ANOTHER function than right [CTRL] is completely inappropriate and upsetting. I therefore hereby specifically request this absurd modification to be reverted. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #50) Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux-oriented. Which behavior would be preferable? Is this even necessary? I mean, the change wasn't made in the first place because an user wasn't happy with the state, but because some apps couldn't handle it. And nowadays, at least some of those apps (Rhythmbox, Totem, …) have been fixed or altered in a way they do not suffer from it anymore, actually mostly nullifying the original point. Also, what a poll would do? This looks like a pretty subtle problem to me, and an uneducated user couldn't really tell. As far as they are concerned, I would think they just want everything working. Even me, if you ask I would say (as in my previous reply) just fix the XLookupString while keeping the original mapping, since IIUC it would fix everybody's issue. But I have no real clue whether it's a pertinent answer or not. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #50) Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux-oriented. Which behavior would be preferable? A poll would be pointless as its representativeness would be very hard to determine. Most users don't care as long as it works and may not even know there is a poll somewhere. The matter is : French keyboard have, and have always had since the PC keyboards exist (that makes 30 years), 2 similar [CTRL] keys that have the same printed label and are expected to exhibit the same behaviour. AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN SO IN ANY LINUX OR other OS keymaps, and especially default keymaps - if anybody wants to customize HER keyboard, then it's HER choice, but by no means a default. OTOH French keyboard have a left [Alt] key and a right [AltGr] keys having different labels and expected to have different roles. This is extremely clear. Both [CTRL] keys should act as [CTRL] keys. Left one, rigth one, period. Some softwares - such as Virtualbox - will want to use the left or right CTRL key for some specific role, and then it's printed in their documentation and the corresponding key is supposed to exist and be correctly mapped. It is nonsense to find oneself with a keymap in which some highly classical and standard key just doesn't happen to exist anymore just because of a once-upon-a-time existing issue (since solved) with a shortcut on a music player that nobody cares about !?!?!? You don't want to break a professional keyboard just because of arguable choices in a toy ! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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That was just an idea. As usual, when there are controversies... Trying to be democratic:) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
Could someone create poll on some french(belgian) web site, linux- oriented. Which behavior would be preferable? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 221112]
Le 13 mars 2014 04:56, Swâmi Petaramesh 221...@bugs.launchpad.net a écrit : I finally found out that this breakage comes from this commit : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard- config/commit/symbols/fr?id=518c769df2e9ce70cb721769a08b81504f243b2a ( http://goo.gl/SWU8Is ) I remember that the nbsp behavior was a PITA because most of the apps doesn't handle nbsp, but regular space instead. That said, I don't see the link with the right Ctrl. Do you have any idea? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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For some reason, I found myself using the 'fr oss' layout in Gnome 3.10. And I must say that finding out that this layout was picked as the default left me speechless: two keys on my keyboard no longer behave according to what's *on* the actual key: - the right control key, which just says Ctrl, just like its left counterpart, - and the keypad's del/dot key which has an actual dot on it, not a comma Both of those changes are incomprehensible. Whether *alternative* layouts exist to provide new mappings is of no issue to me. But a layout touted as the default layout should respect what's *engraved* on keyboards. FTR, the original 'fr' layout also has that keypad dot/comma issue but not the right control mapped to Level5, but at least there's an kpdl:dot option to fix the former. So I fumbled through Gnome's ever- changing control panel and managed to change back to it. (In reply to comment #46) For me it does. My keyboard has an Alt Gr label on the AltR key, so it indeed is expected to behave differently from Alt_L, but my ControlR key is labeled as Ctrl, just like the ControlL key. And all other keyboards and OSes I ever used did handle ControlR the same as ControlL, as far as I was concerned as a user. +1, all the French PC keyboards I have owned for the past 15 years have been like this. I can only add my voice to let it be known that having to fix my keyboard layout for correct operation was quite upsetting. Anyhow, thanks to all for looking into it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Hello, Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now? Breaking the very standard behavior of right control in all applications (e.g. xterminals!!) is really not acceptable, compared to the few issues that the behavior has without it. Samuel -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #44) Hello, Until a solution is to be found, could 518c769d be reverted for now? Breaking the very standard behavior of right control It does not break the very standard behavior of right control any more than altrgr breaks the very standard behavior of right alt It's exactly the same mechanism as endorsed in other official French layouts like the Canadian one -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
Any update on this? Emacs using the french keyboard is still broken under Saucy (see comment #156). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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with too many types]. I do not have rythmbox, so I cannot test. Can anybody with rhythmbox try that? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #39) So, lads, with configurable nbsp - is there any solution that would make you all reasonably happy? Is there a way to make the spacebar more neutral *except* for the combinations that trigger something else than space? The main complain seems to be that some apps want to grab space combinations (which is a really stupid idea IMHO) so can xkb work ass passthrough except for the specific combos used for nbspc? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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I am honestly not sure how to translate that requirement into XKB terms... I agree - intercepting those combinations is really odd. So I always have possibility to close this as WONTFIX. But if we manage to invent something - that would be better.. can xkb work ass passthrough It took me a while to parse that typo - was meditating over it for a minute;) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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This reminds me of bug #45008. Just here, LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL does not preserve Control. Adding preserve[Control]= Control into LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL might fix the issue, an as it is not used elsewhere, it actually might be acceptable [but it also means that LOCAL_EIGHT_LEVEL in really a waste, given that other types had to be removed because some programs had problems with too many types]. I do not have rythmbox, so I cannot test. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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So, lads, with configurable nbsp - is there any solution that would make you all reasonably happy? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
I can confirm that the proposed fix in #155 (replace level4nl by level4n) is enough to fix ctrl-space in emacs(where it is a very frequently used key combination). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
After discussions about the bug #1013881, it seems that the right way to solve this bug is to change the line 128 of symbol/fr include nbsp(level4nl) by include nbsp(level4n) For an unknown reason, the line «include nbsp(level4nl)» produces the bug of Rhythmbox. This way, we can get : – Right Ctrl works – Rhythmbox Ctrl-Space works – Nbsp is available (on level 4) ** Tags removed: verification-done ** Tags added: verification-failed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise) Status: Fix Committed = Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
The fix has been reverted out, due to a bug report (bug #1013881) filed about it during testing in -proposed. You guys will need to work with upstream to find a better way of fixing it that doesn't cause regressions for anyone. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
2012/6/26 Bryce Harrington 221...@bugs.launchpad.net You guys will need to work with upstream to find a better way of fixing it that doesn't cause regressions for anyone. Actually, on Fedora the shortcut for playing is Ctrl+Space and it works just right. It's simple, obvious and ok for everyone. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Ping! ;-) Sergey, can you commit any solution? Better get a fix than wait for ages to be sure it's the best choice. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Ok, committed that one. Please check. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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The solution posted in comment #27 disables the standard behaviour of the Right-Ctrl key. It is annoying for most users! (I first thought that my keyboard was broken). See the bug 1013881 in Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881 My opinion is that the right solution to solve the RhythmBox bug is to remove the line include nbsp(level4nl) not patching the keyboard with the ugly include level5(rctrl_switch) Maybe we can solve the nbsp handling as it is the problem. Which language has a successful keyboard that handles nbsp? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #33) The solution posted in comment #27 disables the standard behaviour of the Right-Ctrl key. It is annoying for most users! (I first thought that my keyboard was broken). See the bug 1013881 in Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881 My opinion is that the right solution to solve the RhythmBox bug is to remove the line include nbsp(level4nl) not patching the keyboard with the ugly include level5(rctrl_switch) Maybe we can solve the nbsp handling as it is the problem. Which language has a successful keyboard that handles nbsp? right ctrl is the standard access key for level 5+6 (just like right alt is for levels 3-4 and yes you'll find keyboards where right alt is the same as left alt and not alt gr) See for example this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/KB_Canadian_Multilingual_Standard_comment-en.svg So you can not remove right ctrl use without lowering the layout level number, and if you do so people start emitting nbsp my mistake (that was the biggest source of complain for one of this layout ancestors) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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And what if instead of include nbsp(level4nl) we put non-breaking space to level 3. I find it more convenient ( include nbsp(level4n) include level5(rctrl_switch) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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And what if instead of level 4, we put non-breaking space to level 3. I find it is more convenient (and I think I am not alone). So, instead of: include nbsp(level4nl) we put non-breaking space to level 3: include nbsp(level3n) This gives us back the Right-Ctrl. It does not break RhythmBox behaviour any more. And people using non-breaking spaces will be happy. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(In reply to comment #36) And what if instead of level 4, we put non-breaking space to level 3. I find it is more convenient (and I think I am not alone). So, instead of: include nbsp(level4nl) we put non-breaking space to level 3: include nbsp(level3n) This gives us back the Right-Ctrl. It does not break RhythmBox behaviour any more. And people using non-breaking spaces will be happy. That's basically what fr-latin9 (the ancestor of fr-oss) used to do and it was changed to the current setting because too many people complained it made it too easy to type nbsp by mistake -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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(but now the nbsp behaviour is configurable so you should be able to override the default on your system if you wish) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
I can confirm that the update fixes the issue ** Tags removed: verification-needed ** Tags added: verification-done -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
Thanks for the fix! I'm sorry I can't test this package, I'm no longer on Ubuntu. I'm sure someone else can test it though considering the number of users registered to this bug and to its duplicates. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Tags added: regression-release -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
Hello Creak, or anyone else affected, Accepted xkeyboard-config into precise-proposed. The package will build now and be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance! ** Tags added: verification-needed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/xkeyboard-config -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/xkeyboard-config -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Description changed: - Binary package hint: rhythmbox + [Impact] + In the fr(oss) keymap, both space and Ctrl + space return the same XLookupString, which prevents space from being used in some applications. - I tried to search for The Do in the search bar, but the space bar - didn't write a space. Instead, it played the currently selected song - (space is the shortcut for playing/pausing the song). I've just - installed the last Hardy release candidate. + This had been fixed in lucid and maverick, but the patch appears to have + been misplaced during the (rather major) update from 1.8 to 2.1, thus + the reports of it regressing in comments #135 and #141, as well as dupe + bug #938671. + + [Development Fix] + Patch 128_fix_oss_ctrl_space_accelerator.patch fixed this problem in lucid and maverick, but was dropped in natty when we updated to upstream xkeyboard-config 2.1. However, the patch was also sent upstream and accepted there. So for quantal a cherrypick of that commit was backported. + + [Stable Fix] + Since currently quantal is shipping the same xkeyboard-config version as precise, we can carry the same patch there as well. + + [Test Case] + 1. Set keyboard to fr(oss). (Note due to unrelated bug, you need to do this in your /etc/defaults/keyboard config file.) + 2. Start rhythmbox + 3. Do a song search + 4. Type in a search term that includes a space character + + Broken Behavior: Space triggers the play/pause function in rhythmbox + Fixed Behavior: A space character is inserted + + [Regression Potential] + The patch is one we carried in lucid and maverick (when rhythmbox was the default music player IIRC), and has been upstream for a while. So I think it is a safe change. + + Actually, I'm surprised there have not been more complaints about it + lately. But during the interim we'd switched to banshee so perhaps + users didn't notice it. + + [Original Report] + I tried to search for The Do in the search bar, but the space bar didn't write a space. Instead, it played the currently selected song (space is the shortcut for playing/pausing the song). I've just installed the last Hardy release candidate. ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 Date: Wed Apr 23 19:30:12 2008 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 8.04 ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/rhythmbox NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Package: rhythmbox 0.11.5-0ubuntu6 PackageArchitecture: i386 ProcEnviron: - PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games - LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 - SHELL=/bin/bash + PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games + LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 + SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: rhythmbox Uname: Linux 2.6.24-16-generic i686 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Also affects: rhythmbox (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: quodlibet (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** No longer affects: rhythmbox (Ubuntu Precise) ** No longer affects: quodlibet (Ubuntu Precise) ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise) Status: New = Fix Committed ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu Precise) Importance: Medium = High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
I'm affected by this bug on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (amd64) with French → French Keyboard. When I enter a search, if I press the spacebar, the letter doesnt appear but the play/pause button is actionned. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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I am ok with solution by zebob. Any objections? Nicolas? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Lads, for me that makes no difference. Just please settle that between you -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
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Could you make a choice at last? This bug is very annoying, and since the solution is here, please decide fast about it. Thanks! ;-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112]
This bug has been bothering me again. Instead of include nbsp(level4nl) I used: include nbsp(level4n) include level5(rctrl_switch) With these parameters, Rhythmbox search is working correctly and we do have the thin nbsp on the sixth level (RCtrl+Shift+Space) as needed by Nicolas Mailhot. Is this okay for you? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** No longer affects: null -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libgnomekbd/+bug/221112/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
Reminder: the workaround is to use the France keyboard layout instead of France Autre -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
Bug is still there in natty -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Changed in: xkeyboard-config Importance: Unknown = Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Changed in: xkeyboard-config Importance: Medium = Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 Title: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/lucid/xkeyboard-config -- Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
Please do not change the status without any comment. I can still use the space bar here on maverick today's update with french alternative oss keyboard. ** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid = New ** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
** Changed in: libgnomekbd Importance: Unknown = Medium ** Changed in: rhythmbox Importance: Unknown = Medium -- Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
ok, after discussing with upstream, try to find where the issue can be fixed in a elegant manner, it seems we can find a workaround in xkeyboard-config (but loosing the right ctrl key modifier, this is a tradeoff). Reassigning the package for that. ** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Invalid ** Changed in: quodlibet (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Invalid ** Also affects: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Didier Roche (didrocks) -- Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
This bug was fixed in the package xkeyboard-config - 1.8-1ubuntu7 --- xkeyboard-config (1.8-1ubuntu7) lucid; urgency=low * add debian/patches/130_fix_oss_ctrl_space_accelerator.patch: - don't include level4nl but only level4n for french oss layout. both space and Ctrl + space returned the same XLookupString, which prevents space using in some application using gtk_action_group_add_toggle_actions to setup Ctrl + space accelerator. We loose rctrl accelator but that's better than not having space in those applications. Setup it manually will reintroduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198759 (LP: #221112) -- Didier Roche didro...@ubuntu.com Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:15:30 +0200 ** Changed in: xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
First of all, thanks a lot Didier for handling this bug! And second of all ^^, what do you mean by loosing the right ctrl key modifier? Do you mean it just won't work anymore? If that's the case, could you explain us why (I don't see the link between the ctrl key and the space bar) Thanks! -- Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 221112] Re: Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard
Well, it's quite complicated and took me one full day to talk to upstream, look at the involved code, and so on… You can have a look at the source upload or upstream bug, but in a nutshell: - we don't use loose right control key in the oss layout :) - we just loose the modifier combo like right control + a letter (or any other key). This is less used than space in rhythmbox or totem. So the choice made was that one. I recommend you to see upstream bug as well as the one listed in the changelog (#198759), all duplicates, and the upstream one of #198759 to get the whole map. This explains why the bug wasn't fixed for so long. -- Can't use space bar in search bar when using french alternative keyboard https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/221112 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to rhythmbox in ubuntu. -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
