[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-07-29 Thread Paul van Genderen
Under Ubuntu 9.10, compiz was enabled each time I ran startx. Even
though I disabled it through gnome-appearance-properties. Then I
upgraded to 10.04, and now I have to manually run gnome-appearance-
properties and enable it each time to get a working window manager and
decorations. I'd prefer the old 9.10 behaviour of enabling compiz by
default but ideally the preference would be remembered between sessions.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-07-12 Thread André Desgualdo Pereira
Maybe this is a better way to start compiz (I can't test it right now because 
I'm on my mobile).
http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/how_to_properly_start_compiz_in_gnome/

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-07-12 Thread Michał Gołębiowski
@André
Doesn't help.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-22 Thread d0ti5
For me, this just started up in the last couple of weeks, and I can not
for the life of me see what I might have done.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-22 Thread André Desgualdo Pereira
I think that editing the gnome menu can cause this bug. I can break an
account putting a  broken file called gnome-wm.desktop in
~/.local/share/applications

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-20 Thread André Desgualdo Pereira
I've tried so many things and just this seems to work well (beside to
create another account login):

Invoke compiz AND metacity as a startup application.

See attachment image to view what it looks like.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-14 Thread Andras Muranyi
I have the same problem on Lucid amd64, and old account.

Interestingly, when i shut down the manually started compiz session, a
compiz session starts like if it was there also before - but no
functional compiz at startup.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-14 Thread Andras Muranyi
Well, the above only happens when i close a terminal window from where 'compiz 
' was issued. 
Maybe the OS is just trying to preserve my running apps? not that i have ever 
seen this, or closing the terminal would not kill a 'gedit ' for example.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-09 Thread Leo
@Rob
Maybe it is in gnome-session+.compiz?
So you can try
mv .compiz backup ; rm -rf .config/gnome-session
from a terminal session, whithout any desktop session open.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-08 Thread Leo
Did you install Ubuntu updates? Has it been fixed for good after log
out/in ?

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-08 Thread Rob S
@Leo
I did update some. But I am pretty sure the only thing that was updated since 
was Handbrake. I'll wait on it for a few days and record when it happens. When 
I booted up this morning it seemed fine so maybe it was just a one time thing.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-08 Thread Rob S
@Leo
It has happened a second time, where logging off and on seem to fix it again.

If you log off and on, would it then be in the .xsession-errors.old?

If so, then there are a number of things going on and I'm not sure how
to really debug things. I'm getting this message:

Starting gtk-window-decorator
Unable to find a synaptics device.
Initializing nautilus-gdu extension
I/O warning : failed to load external entity 
/home/rob/.compiz/session/10ffdfc3255105ca911276025827747610011170029

However, when I logout then on I get this message:

Starting gtk-window-decorator
I/O warning : failed to load external entity 
/home/rob/.compiz/session/10431175d07a8ea0c612760258753828890017080029

So I'm not exactly sure if it's related. :s

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-07 Thread Leo
Thanks Rob.
To make sure what happened: you ran the commands from Post 34 in Bug #572617 
and the problem was solved but you lost a lot of settings. Then you ran the 
command from Post 80 here and the problem is solved without loosing all your 
settings (maybe just a few about your desktop session). Is it right?
Could you then attach here the problematic folder?
cd ~ ; cd backup ; tar -czvf gnome-session.zip gnome-session
The archive will be created inside ~/backup

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-07 Thread Leo
Oops...
cd ~ ; cd backup ; tar -czvf gnome-session.tar.gz gnome-session

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-07 Thread Rob S
@Leo

Update

It has returned. I have no idea why. After last time I rebooted a couple
of times and it did seem to be fixed. Today I get home and turn on my
computer and it's back. Now for an even larger mystery, I logged off and
on, and it went away. I checked to make sure I didn't have the
workaround still in and I had it completely removed. I will attach two
copies, one of it now and the previous one.

Cheers,
Rob

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-07 Thread Rob S

** Attachment added: Here is the new gnome-session
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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-07 Thread Rob S
Sorry, me again.

Here it was play by play...

1) I did post #34 from Bug #572617

Result: Everything seemed fixed, but I lost a lot of settings for other
programs.

2) I restored the old config folder and removed the gnome-session
folder. I disabled to the workaround.

Result: It seemed fixed. I rebooted several times over the time doing
various things. It seemed to work fine.

3) I turned on the computer an hour ago. I haven't installed anything
new that would affect it in any way. The problem seemed to be back. I
logged off and on, and it seemed fine. I checked to make sure the
workaround was still disabled and it was.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-06 Thread Leo
Hi Doug, Thanks for helping with the tests.
It is hard to get ultimate conclusions as you have a more complex setting with 
awn as well. It may be related to deeper bugs in the same direction, namely 
lack of backward compatibility in reading user's home.
Yet for most users who had enabled desktop effects, upgraded and now don't have 
windows borders, it may be inside .config or at most {.config,.compiz} as Rob's 
post suggests.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-06 Thread Doug Morse
@Leo

Yes, correct.  My apologies, I misspoke.  What I should have wrote is:
What we can be relatively certain of now is that, at a minimum,
something within the $HOME/.config folder is implicated as the source of
the problem, and at a maximum the source does not extend beyond $HOME.

I can say that I don't think that, at least in my case, it's limited to
just .config and .compiz -- not long ago (albeit Karmic, not yet Lucid),
I move .config, .compiz elsewhere, and also remove .cached, .gconfd, and
a few other reasonable candidate cache / session type files/folders from
console session (tty1) and then logged in again via gdm (tty7).  No joy,
still the same problems.  Again, just FYI, in case it helps.

I expect that, in my and more complicated cases, the solution may simply
be to create a new, empty homedir, reconfigure all GUI components again
manually, and then repopulate homedir with data and carefully repopulate
other dotfiles and dotdirs (i.e., one at a time or in small groups) so
as not to re-introduce the entanglement.  Just not something that I
have time to do right now and I am holding out hope that, once it's
determined what the problem is within .config and/or .compiz, the
information from that discovery might help me hunt down what's going on
in my homedir.  Right now, for me, the problem seems to be too much of a
complex and complicated interaction.

Doug

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-06 Thread Rob S
@Leo

I did as you said and everything seems to be working like normal.

Cheers,
Rob

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-06 Thread Rob S
**Edit**

Like normal meaning there aren't any problems...

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-05 Thread Rob S
@Leo
The fix you posted on the other page (Bug #572617) seemed to fix it for me. 
Thanks a bunch!
The only issue to those using it: you will loose a lot of settings and you will 
have to manually restore them. In this case it wasn't too confusing or tedious.

Cheers,
Rob

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Re: [Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-05 Thread Leo

Hi Rob. This means the problem is inside .config
Thanks for testing.
You can restore the previous settings:
cd $HOME ; mkdir backup2 ; mv .config backup2 ; mv backup/.config . ;  
mv .config/gnome-session backup
Reboot and tell us please?

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Morse
Hi Rob,

Per your request in bug #572617 -- my apologies for mis-posting there --
I removed my workarounds, moved my ~/.config directory to a backup
location, reboot the system, and then logged back on.

This most decidedly did NOT fix the problem.  Indeed, it create quite a
mess, wherein, depending on what I tried to fix the mess, I'd get either
(a) just a blank desktop with only my desktop background image, that is,
no awn, no panels, not right-clicking on the desktop for a menu, simply
nothing (in these cases, switching to tty1, I saw that compiz.decorator
was running, but not compiz), or (b) a semi-normal desktop but desktop
appearances set to none and no awn.

Regarding (b), if I selected extra in System  Preferences 
Appearance, well, many things would happen, all of them bad.
Sometimes gnome-appeance-properties would then say Searching for
drivers and then sometimes it would return to the Appearances dialog
and other times it would say Could not set desktop effects.  At other
times, gnome-appeance-properties would seem to then  do something that
started a run-away loop; it's hard to explain, but it *seemed* like
compiz was continually restarting and/or perhaps fighting with
metacity?

Nothing  did would then restore my desktop to a functional state.
Restoring my original .config directory and, either re-enabling my
workarounds or not, nothing did the trick.  I had to restore my home
directory from the previous day and that did, finally, get me back to a
working desktop.

Thus, I strongly suspect that the problem is NOT just in a user's
.config directory.  What all happened after I let gnome recreate a
.config dir, and the fact that restoring my original .config directory
did not fix the problem, are the primary reasons I think this.   have
other reasons to believe the problem lies not just in the .config
directory, due to previous experiences that I've had, but I won't
elaborate on them here.

I'm probably stating the obvious, but it seems pretty clear that it's
some sort of timing / sequencing  or coordination issue between multiple
components, perhaps compiz and gnome/gconf, maybe even the display
drivers and/or  metacity?

From one of the times that I logged in and my desktop hung at displaying
my background image, I've attached: (a) the last 23 lines of my dmesg
file -- you can see the nvidia driver cycling, (b) my .xession-errors
file from the same point in time.  I observed nearly identical behavior
on my  1yr old laptop with ATI radeon 3200 HD before implementing my
workaround, so I don't think this is just a driver issue, either
(although perhaps an interaction).

Lastly, I did create a new users and logging in / out as that user, with
desktop effects set to extra worked just find, and gnome did not
forget that extra had been set for this user.  I believe this tells us
that the problem is limited to a users home directory, but not limited
to just the .config directory.

If I have some time soon (I doubt it, but who knows), I may try tackling
this in reverse: create a new user *without* the problem and see what I
can do to recreate the problem.

Hope this helps, and thanks for your efforts on this.

Doug


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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-03 Thread Michał Gołębiowski
@Leo
Removing ~/.config doesn't help. I restored the previous contents.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-03 Thread Michał Gołębiowski
A fresh user account works fine. What other folders I could possibly
check?...

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-03 Thread Augustin
Leo, thank you... in a way =)

This indeed fixed the problem, so thank you for that.

However, the commands you gave do not move the directories to a
backup... They RENAME each directory to the same name, which means it
gets erased. Which means, for instance, I've lost all my Chromium
extensions (fortunately I had enabled the Synch option, so my bookmarks
are safe) and saved passwords. Of course, I've also lost all my
configuration files for Compiz, for instance, but that might have been
necessary anyway.

So, please, could you fix your suggestion before other people lose their
data?

Thank you for your help anyway, apart from this quirk, I can now boot
without having to hack my way through to a normal desktop.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-03 Thread Leo
Don't worry :-)
Let's refine the search?
You can set back some of the folders to see which ones are causing the problem.
(For example, ***I am assuming you didn't do anything with the backup folder*** 
to be sure that the problem is in { .config , .compiz }
rsync -a ~/backup/ ~/double-backup-to-keep-chromium-links-even-safer/
rm -rf ~/{.gnome*,.gconf*} ; rsync -a ~/backup/{.gnome*,.gconf*} ~/
Reboot. Should be working well.
rm -rf ~/{.config,.compiz} ; rsync -a ~/backup/{.config,.compiz} ~/
Reboot. Should be as bad as before. )

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-03 Thread Michał Gołębiowski
@Augustin
Those instructions are OK, You must have screwed sth up.

@Leo
I'll check it later.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-03 Thread Michał Gołębiowski
@Augustin
I'm sorry, I missed Your later comments. Must have been blind for a while.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-02 Thread Michał Gołębiowski
@Travis Watkins
It's not a file, it's a directory.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-02 Thread Michał Gołębiowski
@Leo
I've experienced it in Karmic, not only in Lucid. Not sure if it has anything 
to do with my removal of PA and a few other indicator-related packages, but - 
to be honest - I don't see why there would be any connection.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-02 Thread Leo
@Tony
Good. I think it's exactly what Travis is asking for. Can you zip and attach it?

@Michał
Sorry, I pointed all the other bugs to duplicate this one and now it seems that 
maybe the problem you observed with Karmic and the problem we observe with 
Lucid have different roots.
Could you try mv ~/.config ~/.config-old and reboot to see what happens?
You said it doesn't happen for a fresh user account, so it must be somewhere in 
~/.whatever
Please rename instead of deleting so we can have the folders for autopsy

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-02 Thread Augustin
I have renamed the following folders:
- ~/.compiz
- ~/.config/compiz
- ~/.config/gnome-session

A reboot later, nothing's fixed.

I may try to rename even more folders, or do the opposite, i.e. rename
every folder but a few that I'm 100% sure have nothing to do with
graphical stuff (thunderbird, chromium, etc.).

It's so frustrating not to be able to launch some kind of program to
return to a default config and work up from there.

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[Bug 467668] Re: [regression-release] Neither compiz nor metacity nor nautilus are run at start

2010-06-02 Thread Tony Pursell
Here is my gnome-session-old folder.

** Attachment added: gnome-session-old folder
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49575099/gsfiles.tar.gz

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