Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 18:36 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: Le 10/06/10 13:27, Richard Hughes a écrit : On 10 June 2010 12:24, Andre Klapperak...@gmx.net wrote: This requires module maintainers to port their modules now (if you don't want an angry release-team mob soon in front of your house). So, should we be requesting gtk3= 2.90 in configure.ac now? At least for Fedora rawhide the lack of gtk-engines makes all the gtk3-using application look fugly. To make Empathy build with gtk3 we need: - libcanberra-gtk-3 - libchamplain-gtk-3 - libclutter-gtk-3 - libunique-3 (or drop gtk2 compatibility and use GtkApplication) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618473 Emmanuele could do a release. - libwebkit-3 Once they are all released and parallel installable (we would like to not lose gtk2 compatibility), we are ready to make the move :-) Why is losing GTK2 compatibility a problem? It shouldn't matter. You could create a gnome-2-32 branch and make changes there if you wanted. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:49 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 18:36 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: Once they are all released and parallel installable (we would like to not lose gtk2 compatibility), we are ready to make the move :-) Why is losing GTK2 compatibility a problem? It shouldn't matter. You could create a gnome-2-32 branch and make changes there if you wanted. I can't speak for Xavier, but some of us maintain applications for which the latest version is commonly in demand from users of older distros, and maintaining a separate branch is a fair amount of work if you're the only one doing testing, QA, and release management. There's no way I can consider dropping GTK2 compatibility from Tomboy for the next year or so, for example. I don't have the resources to maintain two versions. A separate but related issue is that unless somebody plans to update gtk-sharp, Tomboy may not be GTK3 compatible this cycle (I don't know off-hand what parts of gtk-sharp may be incompatible with GTK3). Do other non-C apps have similar issues, or is this just a problem with the Mono bindings? Sandy ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90
Le 12/06/10 14:49, Bastien Nocera a écrit : On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 18:36 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: Le 10/06/10 13:27, Richard Hughes a écrit : On 10 June 2010 12:24, Andre Klapperak...@gmx.net wrote: This requires module maintainers to port their modules now (if you don't want an angry release-team mob soon in front of your house). So, should we be requesting gtk3= 2.90 in configure.ac now? At least for Fedora rawhide the lack of gtk-engines makes all the gtk3-using application look fugly. To make Empathy build with gtk3 we need: - libcanberra-gtk-3 - libchamplain-gtk-3 - libclutter-gtk-3 - libunique-3 (or drop gtk2 compatibility and use GtkApplication) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618473 Emmanuele could do a release. - libwebkit-3 Once they are all released and parallel installable (we would like to not lose gtk2 compatibility), we are ready to make the move :-) Why is losing GTK2 compatibility a problem? It shouldn't matter. You could create a gnome-2-32 branch and make changes there if you wanted. Ubuntu told me that Maverick (the next ubuntu release) is not going to ship GTK3, and if we can't build Empathy with GTK2 then they'll just keep Empathy 2.30.x... tbh I think that's a bad decision from Ubuntu, but it would be really sad to not ship the latest empathy... But I guess if the whole GNOME 2.32 depends on GTK3 then they'll change their mind. Regards, Xavier Claessens. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90
On Sat, 2010-06-12 at 17:31 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: Le 12/06/10 14:49, Bastien Nocera a écrit : On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 18:36 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: Le 10/06/10 13:27, Richard Hughes a écrit : On 10 June 2010 12:24, Andre Klapperak...@gmx.net wrote: This requires module maintainers to port their modules now (if you don't want an angry release-team mob soon in front of your house). So, should we be requesting gtk3= 2.90 in configure.ac now? At least for Fedora rawhide the lack of gtk-engines makes all the gtk3-using application look fugly. To make Empathy build with gtk3 we need: - libcanberra-gtk-3 - libchamplain-gtk-3 - libclutter-gtk-3 - libunique-3 (or drop gtk2 compatibility and use GtkApplication) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=618473 Emmanuele could do a release. - libwebkit-3 Once they are all released and parallel installable (we would like to not lose gtk2 compatibility), we are ready to make the move :-) Why is losing GTK2 compatibility a problem? It shouldn't matter. You could create a gnome-2-32 branch and make changes there if you wanted. Ubuntu told me that Maverick (the next ubuntu release) is not going to ship GTK3, and if we can't build Empathy with GTK2 then they'll just keep Empathy 2.30.x... tbh I think that's a bad decision from Ubuntu, but it would be really sad to not ship the latest empathy... And you're telling me that your decision on keeping a GTK+ 2.x version is based on one distributor's dubious decision? GNOME 3.x will be based on GTK+ 3.x. But I guess if the whole GNOME 2.32 depends on GTK3 then they'll change their mind. I know that all my modules will. Cheers ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Shell + Tracker + Zeitgeist
Looking at the mockups by McCann I am looking for a Tracker + Zeitgeist integration in Shell. Except for Frequent, and Conversations I think everything else can be done over Tracker... I would love to know how Frequent will be categorized... I hope in frequency you could cluster into today, last week, etc... I would encourage using Tracker to get the data on the desktop... And then when asking for frequent and Conversations to ask Zeitgeist. But as an alternative to ease integration I think Tracker guys should look into supporting our ontology... This way Zeitgeist could use its extensions to push into Tracker. This way Tracker will know about the events we have and I think it would make it easier for the shell developers to only query Tracker for frequent stuff etc... What do you think? We already have the extensions ready for you guys thanks to Rob Taylor. Let me know what you think :) Cheers Seif ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
API changes in GLib master
Just a quick note: There have been a few API changes in GLib master that will probably affect a few modules: The g_bus_watch_proxy API has been replaced by a more flexible GDBusProxy construction. You can now construct proxies for well-known names instead of unique names. For more details, see http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=32f2e9a85beedeea36ac7623f68f6eb878465d44 Some more API changes that may land in the next GLib release are outlined in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621266 GSettings context clarification https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620952 g_application_register_with_data is an ugly API https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621002 [GApplication] Switch to using variants for timestamps, split out signals https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621361 Improve GApplication quit semantics I know this is inconvenient, and I apologize for it, but we are trying to land enormous amounts of new functionality this cycle, so please bear with us while we shake out the warts of the new API. Matthias ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90
On 12 June 2010 11:31, Xavier Claessens xclae...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu told me that Maverick (the next ubuntu release) is not going to ship GTK3 I don't think that's true. I was at the planning session for coming changes in GNOME at UDS Maverick, and the plan of record was to include GTK+ and GNOME 3.0. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-gnome -mt ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Call to maintainers: GNOME 2.31 to ship GTK 2.90
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Michael Terry m...@mterry.name wrote: On 12 June 2010 11:31, Xavier Claessens xclae...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu told me that Maverick (the next ubuntu release) is not going to ship GTK3 I don't think that's true. I was at the planning session for coming changes in GNOME at UDS Maverick, and the plan of record was to include GTK+ and GNOME 3.0. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-gnome Hmm, a Canonical employee approached me just the other day. He was told not to include in Maverick packages that depended on GTK3, and wanted to check with me that Tomboy would remain GTK2-compatible this cycle, so that he could get our latest unstable releases into Maverick. Sandy ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
