Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[Hugo Alejandro]

>
> ...
>
>> Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
>> start either. Any indications would be welcome.
>>
>
> It looks to me like Paperwork probably has a specific set of use cases
> involved - particularly someone who scans lots of text documents.
> Concentrating on that use case seems like a perfectly good goal to me.
>
>
Not necessarily, but take into account a very practical option when
scanning documents (OCR). When I made my comment earlier I was thinking
about the new applications to scan documents for mobile devices, especially
the new features of Dropbox



> I'm not 100% confident where GNOME's strategy is long-term in this area
> and would be happy to discuss it with you (just call into #gnome-design
> whenever you want). One thing that having a standalone scanning utility (in
> the shape of Simple Scan) does give us is the ability to scan different
> types of documents, that might end up in different places. Likewise, while
> we may want to look at Documents' role in the future, it does fit well into
> the triumvirate of Documents/Photos/Music. :)
>
>
I usually use the scanner a lot to digitize documents for backup or to
facilitate their sending via e-mail or instant messaging. When I mentioned
adding the feature in gnome-documents I did not do it thinking about how
GNOME is doing things and maybe an application like simple-scan can solve
the problem.

With the above I mean that the applications of gnome (core apps) should
have an option to add files from external sources and I think gnome-photos
will be able to add photo from cameras. I think a button to add files from
external sources is necessary, for example: Add documents from an external
hard drive or pendrive to gnome-documents (copy it to the documents folder)
or from a scanner (start an external application as simple-scan) .
Something similar can happen from audio devices (eg iPod) for gnome-music
or images/videos from a webcam (Cheese) to gnome-photos/videos (totem),
etc.

Probably with gnome-photos the problem of how to import different type of
content will be addressed, since cameras can store photos and videos whose
contents have different applications in gnome. A similar problem would
occur with the scanned documents, since according to their format they will
be displayed in gnome-documents or gnome-photos (even if they are not
photographs) and it is something that I love about paperwork.
With some integration to add scanned documents to gnome-documents it would
be possible for them to appear as documents in spite of their format and
not as photos.

-- 
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Re: I have realised the problem here

[Florian Müllner]

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:28 PM Diego Fernandez 
wrote:

> However, there's a simple solution:
> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/
>

Or simpler:
$ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings switch-applications "[]"
$ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings switch-windows
 "['Tab']"

The extension really just exists to have a different Alt+Tab default in
GNOME Classic, all the actual functionality is implemented in gnome-shell
itself.
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Re: I have realised the problem here

[Diego Fernandez]

Poor horse .

But in all seriousness... I completely agree with you, I use separate
workspaces for a reason: to keep tasks separate from each other, and to
keep windows related to the task at hand in the same workspace. The
standard way to switch seems broken to me too, but it seems to have been
adopted from OSx. However, there's a simple solution:
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/

You can even set it to only display windows in the current workspace.
There's no need for agreement in ideology when there's technology to enable
all of us to solve our problems ;)

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:04 PM Alberto Salvia Novella 
wrote:

> After talking with some GNOME users and developers I have realised
> there's a common misunderstanding.
>
> The goal of the GNOME Shell is to focus on one thing at a time, but
> normally when I have multiple windows or tabs opened all are related
> with the same task at hand. They are simply different stages of the same
> process.
>
> 0 -> 0 -> 0 -> 0
>
> If I want for example produce multiple videos, having all those windows
> open eases me finishing one video at a time, since I can quickly change
> between stages.
>
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-Minute_Exchange_of_Die)
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_manufacturing)
>
> So here's the problem: you are confusing finishing things one by one
> with visiting the tools one by one. If you really care about focus you
> would want to make changes between tools as easy as possible.
>
> Thanks for your attention.
>
>
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I have realised the problem here

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

After talking with some GNOME users and developers I have realised 
there's a common misunderstanding.


The goal of the GNOME Shell is to focus on one thing at a time, but 
normally when I have multiple windows or tabs opened all are related 
with the same task at hand. They are simply different stages of the same 
process.


0 -> 0 -> 0 -> 0

If I want for example produce multiple videos, having all those windows 
open eases me finishing one video at a time, since I can quickly change 
between stages.


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-Minute_Exchange_of_Die)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_manufacturing)

So here's the problem: you are confusing finishing things one by one 
with visiting the tools one by one. If you really care about focus you 
would want to make changes between tools as easy as possible.


Thanks for your attention.




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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:48 AM, jfle...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I already thought of using Flatpak[1]. But one of the 
problems I will have is regarding Tesseract (OCR): Each language has 
its own data file(s) (between 1 and 10MB per language). I'm not sure 
yet how it could be handled with Flatpak. I need to have another look 
whenever I can.


[1] https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/issues/559


Basically all apps have this problem. :) Flatpak supports extension 
points for installing language packs separately.


Michael

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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[Bastien Nocera]

On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 15:56 +, jfle...@gmail.com wrote:
> 

> It makes sense.
> Since simple-scan is written in vala/C and Paperwork in Python 3, I
> guess any common ground would have to be written in C/GObject. It's
> going to take time ... Not sure if I will ever enough free time to do
> everything I would like to :-)

I'm guessing that you would at least need some C code to interact with
SANE, so making simple-scan's base functionality available through
gobject introspection would make it available to you in Python, and in
other languages with introspection support, so there's always that.
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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[jflesch]

2 mai 2017 17:30 "Bastien Nocera"  a écrit:

> Hey,
> 
> On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 12:54 +, jfle...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> First of all, I want to thank you all for your comments and
>> feedbacks. I wasn't really expecting such a nice welcome :-)
>> 
>> Regarding the HIG, you can actually also thank Mathieu Jourdan ( http
>> s://github.com/mjourdan ). He has been providing me with awesome
>> mockups.
>> 
>> Regarding the goals, I think we can agree it would be best to keep
>> Gnome documents, simple-scan and Paperwork separated, at least for
>> now:
>> 
>> - Simple-scan: For me, the way I see it, it's more of a general scan
>> application. It can do wonder, but my understanding is that it's not
>> intended as a document manager. For instance, I used it to scan this
>> drawing : https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/135331/22778343
>> e449f9c2-eeb6-11e6-9edc-ece6f372d147.png . Scanning it with Gnome
>> Documents or Paperwork wouldn't have make sense.
>> - Gnome Documents: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems mostly
>> focused at electronics documents (.odt, .pdf, etc).
>> - Paperwork: As stated previously, it has a very clear focus on paper
>> documents. PDFs are mostly a side-effect so people don't have to
>> switch between document managers all the time. It's also intended to
>> let the users do as little as possible .. and some people just don't
>> want that (I got a bunch of tickets over time regarding putting
>> titles on documents ...). So, while its goal may overlap Gnome
>> Documents, I don't think one size fits all here.
> 
> If I could give you a piece of advice, it would be to try and share the
> maximum amount of code with simple-scan and what would become the
> GNOME-ified version of it. That is, start by hacking on simple-scan for
> all the "simpler" stuff, making sure to split off the bits you want to
> reuse, like the scanning, calibrating, and cropping UI, the OCR
> support, and the system-wide configuration, if that happens.
> 
It makes sense.
Since simple-scan is written in vala/C and Paperwork in Python 3, I guess any 
common ground would have to be written in C/GObject. It's going to take time 
... Not sure if I will ever enough free time to do everything I would like to 
:-)


> In the longer term, that would mean that you would get more people
> working on this portion of the code, so more eyeballs, maintenance, and
> features "for free" for your application. I could also see this part as
> very interesting to integrate into other GNOME-ish applications, such
> as the GIMP, or Inkscape, in the longer term.
> 
> OCRFeeder is also another project that you could be interested in
> looking at, it's an OCR application for GNOME, though it's not in the
> "highly maintained" category.
> 
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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:47 AM  wrote:

> Actually, I already thought of using Flatpak[1]. But one of the problems I
> will have is regarding Tesseract (OCR): Each language has its own data
> file(s) (between 1 and 10MB per language). I'm not sure yet how it could be
> handled with Flatpak. I need to have another look whenever I can.
>
> [1] https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/issues/559
>
>
>
You can always head over to #flatpak on freenode and ask there and see if
you can get some pointers.  You've already been getting some great advice.
Don't stop now! :-)

sri


>
> 2 mai 2017 17:21 "Sriram Ramkrishna"  <%22sriram%20ramkrishna%22%20%3c...@ramkrishna.me%3E>> a écrit:
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017, 5:54 AM  wrote:
>
> First of all, I want to thank you all for your comments and feedbacks. I
> wasn't really expecting such a nice welcome :-)
>
> Hopefully not because our reputation precedes us. :)
>
>
> Regarding the HIG, you can actually also thank Mathieu Jourdan (
> https://github.com/mjourdan ). He has been providing me with awesome
> mockups.
>
> It looks great!
>
>
>
> Regarding the goals, I think we can agree it would be best to keep Gnome
> documents, simple-scan and Paperwork separated, at least for now:
>
> Looking at your downloads page, it seems that creating a flatpak would
> simplify things there. Especially when it comes updating and reinstalling
> etc.
> Your use case seems more of the 'scan all my receipts' and other related
> things.
> Anyways just wanted to throw in my spare change in the mix.
> Sri
>
>
> - Simple-scan: For me, the way I see it, it's more of a general scan
> application. It can do wonder, but my understanding is that it's not
> intended as a document manager. For instance, I used it to scan this
> drawing :
> https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/135331/22778343/e449f9c2-eeb6-11e6-9edc-ece6f372d147.png
> . Scanning it with Gnome Documents or Paperwork wouldn't have make sense.
> - Gnome Documents: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems mostly focused at
> electronics documents (.odt, .pdf, etc).
> - Paperwork: As stated previously, it has a very clear focus on paper
> documents. PDFs are mostly a side-effect so people don't have to switch
> between document managers all the time. It's also intended to let the users
> do as little as possible .. and some people just don't want that (I got a
> bunch of tickets over time regarding putting titles on documents ...). So,
> while its goal may overlap Gnome Documents, I don't think one size fits all
> here.
>
>
>
>
> 2 mai 2017 10:58 "Allan Day"  <%22allan%20day%22%20%3callanp...@gmail.com%3E>> a écrit:
>
> Hey Jerome!
> Great to hear from you, and welcome to the GNOME project!
> Jerome Flesch  wrote:
> ...
>
> (sorry if it's not the correct mailing-list for this kind of discussions)
>
> On Github, someone told me that there is someone else in the Gnome
> design team working on mockups for a new document manager / scan
> application[1][2]. It looks quite similar to an application I've been
> working on for a while: Paperwork.
> Website: https://openpaper.work/
> Sources: https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/#readme
> Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMazTTM6ltg
>
> It's really fantastic to see new apps being worked on for GNOME,
> particularly when they follow the HIG! Paperwork looks really interesting.
> I work on design and I was the one who drew those mockups you linked to.
> They are indeed intended as potential updates to Simple Scan (they're still
> pretty new and experimental).
>
> ...
>
> Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
> start either. Any indications would be welcome.
>
> It looks to me like Paperwork probably has a specific set of use cases
> involved - particularly someone who scans lots of text documents.
> Concentrating on that use case seems like a perfectly good goal to me.
> I'm not 100% confident where GNOME's strategy is long-term in this area
> and would be happy to discuss it with you (just call into #gnome-design
> whenever you want). One thing that having a standalone scanning utility (in
> the shape of Simple Scan) does give us is the ability to scan different
> types of documents, that might end up in different places. Likewise, while
> we may want to look at Documents' role in the future, it does fit well into
> the triumvirate of Documents/Photos/Music. :)
>
> Best,
> Allan
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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[jflesch]

Actually, I already thought of using Flatpak[1]. But one of the problems I will 
have is regarding Tesseract (OCR): Each language has its own data file(s) 
(between 1 and 10MB per language). I'm not sure yet how it could be handled 
with Flatpak. I need to have another look whenever I can.

[1] https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/issues/559 
(https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/issues/559)
2 mai 2017 17:21 "Sriram Ramkrishna"  a écrit:
 On Tue, May 2, 2017, 5:54 AM  wrote: 
First of all, I want to thank you all for your comments and feedbacks. I wasn't 
really expecting such a nice welcome :-)  
Hopefully not because our reputation precedes us. :) 
Regarding the HIG, you can actually also thank Mathieu Jourdan ( 
https://github.com/mjourdan (https://github.com/mjourdan) ). He has been 
providing me with awesome mockups. 
It looks great! 
Regarding the goals, I think we can agree it would be best to keep Gnome 
documents, simple-scan and Paperwork separated, at least for now: 
Looking at your downloads page, it seems that creating a flatpak would simplify 
things there. Especially when it comes updating and reinstalling etc. 
Your use case seems more of the 'scan all my receipts' and other related 
things. 
Anyways just wanted to throw in my spare change in the mix. 
Sri 
- Simple-scan: For me, the way I see it, it's more of a general scan 
application. It can do wonder, but my understanding is that it's not intended 
as a document manager. For instance, I used it to scan this drawing : 
https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/135331/22778343/e449f9c2-eeb6-11e6-9edc-ece6f372d147.png
 
(https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/135331/22778343/e449f9c2-eeb6-11e6-9edc-ece6f372d147.png)
 . Scanning it with Gnome Documents or Paperwork wouldn't have make sense.
- Gnome Documents: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems mostly focused at 
electronics documents (.odt, .pdf, etc).
- Paperwork: As stated previously, it has a very clear focus on paper 
documents. PDFs are mostly a side-effect so people don't have to switch between 
document managers all the time. It's also intended to let the users do as 
little as possible .. and some people just don't want that (I got a bunch of 
tickets over time regarding putting titles on documents ...). So, while its 
goal may overlap Gnome Documents, I don't think one size fits all here. 
2 mai 2017 10:58 "Allan Day"  a écrit:
Hey Jerome!Great to hear from you, and welcome to the GNOME project!
Jerome Flesch  wrote:
...
 (sorry if it's not the correct mailing-list for this kind of discussions)

On Github, someone told me that there is someone else in the Gnome
design team working on mockups for a new document manager / scan
application[1][2]. It looks quite similar to an application I've been
working on for a while: Paperwork.
Website: https://openpaper.work/ (https://openpaper.work/)
Sources: https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/#readme 
(https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/#readme)
Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMazTTM6ltg 
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMazTTM6ltg)  
It's really fantastic to see new apps being worked on for GNOME, particularly 
when they follow the HIG! Paperwork looks really interesting. 
I work on design and I was the one who drew those mockups you linked to. They 
are indeed intended as potential updates to Simple Scan (they're still pretty 
new and experimental). 
... 
 Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
start either. Any indications would be welcome. 
It looks to me like Paperwork probably has a specific set of use cases involved 
- particularly someone who scans lots of text documents. Concentrating on that 
use case seems like a perfectly good goal to me. 
I'm not 100% confident where GNOME's strategy is long-term in this area and 
would be happy to discuss it with you (just call into #gnome-design whenever 
you want). One thing that having a standalone scanning utility (in the shape of 
Simple Scan) does give us is the ability to scan different types of documents, 
that might end up in different places. Likewise, while we may want to look at 
Documents' role in the future, it does fit well into the triumvirate of 
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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[Bastien Nocera]

Hey,

On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 12:54 +, jfle...@gmail.com wrote:
> First of all, I want to thank you all for your comments and
> feedbacks. I wasn't really expecting such a nice welcome :-)
> 
> Regarding the HIG, you can actually also thank Mathieu Jourdan ( http
> s://github.com/mjourdan ). He has been providing me with awesome
> mockups.
> 
> 
> Regarding the goals, I think we can agree it would be best to keep
> Gnome documents, simple-scan and Paperwork separated, at least for
> now:
> 
> - Simple-scan: For me, the way I see it, it's more of a general scan
> application. It can do wonder, but my understanding is that it's not
> intended as a document manager. For instance, I used it to scan this
> drawing : https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/135331/22778343/
> e449f9c2-eeb6-11e6-9edc-ece6f372d147.png . Scanning it with Gnome
> Documents or Paperwork wouldn't have make sense.
> - Gnome Documents: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems mostly
> focused at electronics documents (.odt, .pdf, etc).
> - Paperwork: As stated previously, it has a very clear focus on paper
> documents. PDFs are mostly a side-effect so people don't have to
> switch between document managers all the time. It's also intended to
> let the users do as little as possible .. and some people just don't
> want that (I got a bunch of tickets over time regarding putting
> titles on documents ...). So, while its goal may overlap Gnome
> Documents, I don't think one size fits all here.

If I could give you a piece of advice, it would be to try and share the
maximum amount of code with simple-scan and what would become the
GNOME-ified version of it. That is, start by hacking on simple-scan for
all the "simpler" stuff, making sure to split off the bits you want to
reuse, like the scanning, calibrating, and cropping UI, the OCR
support, and the system-wide configuration, if that happens.

In the longer term, that would mean that you would get more people
working on this portion of the code, so more eyeballs, maintenance, and
features "for free" for your application. I could also see this part as
very interesting to integrate into other GNOME-ish applications, such
as the GIMP, or Inkscape, in the longer term.

OCRFeeder is also another project that you could be interested in
looking at, it's an OCR application for GNOME, though it's not in the
"highly maintained" category.

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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Tue, May 2, 2017, 5:54 AM  wrote:

> First of all, I want to thank you all for your comments and feedbacks. I
> wasn't really expecting such a nice welcome :-)
>

Hopefully not because our reputation precedes us.  :)


> Regarding the HIG, you can actually also thank Mathieu Jourdan (
> https://github.com/mjourdan ). He has been providing me with awesome
> mockups.
>

It looks great!


>
> Regarding the goals, I think we can agree it would be best to keep Gnome
> documents, simple-scan and Paperwork separated, at least for now:
>

Looking at your downloads page, it seems that creating a flatpak would
simplify things there.  Especially when it comes updating and reinstalling
etc.

Your use case seems more of the 'scan all my receipts' and other related
things.

Anyways just wanted to throw in my spare change in the mix.

Sri



> - Simple-scan: For me, the way I see it, it's more of a general scan
> application. It can do wonder, but my understanding is that it's not
> intended as a document manager. For instance, I used it to scan this
> drawing :
> https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/135331/22778343/e449f9c2-eeb6-11e6-9edc-ece6f372d147.png
> . Scanning it with Gnome Documents or Paperwork wouldn't have make sense.
> - Gnome Documents: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems mostly focused at
> electronics documents (.odt, .pdf, etc).
> - Paperwork: As stated previously, it has a very clear focus on paper
> documents. PDFs are mostly a side-effect so people don't have to switch
> between document managers all the time. It's also intended to let the users
> do as little as possible .. and some people just don't want that (I got a
> bunch of tickets over time regarding putting titles on documents ...). So,
> while its goal may overlap Gnome Documents, I don't think one size fits all
> here.
>
>
>
>
> 2 mai 2017 10:58 "Allan Day"  <%22allan%20day%22%20%3callanp...@gmail.com%3E>> a écrit:
>
> Hey Jerome!
> Great to hear from you, and welcome to the GNOME project!
> Jerome Flesch  wrote:
> ...
>
> (sorry if it's not the correct mailing-list for this kind of discussions)
>
> On Github, someone told me that there is someone else in the Gnome
> design team working on mockups for a new document manager / scan
> application[1][2]. It looks quite similar to an application I've been
> working on for a while: Paperwork.
> Website: https://openpaper.work/
> Sources: https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/#readme
> Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMazTTM6ltg
>
> It's really fantastic to see new apps being worked on for GNOME,
> particularly when they follow the HIG! Paperwork looks really interesting.
> I work on design and I was the one who drew those mockups you linked to.
> They are indeed intended as potential updates to Simple Scan (they're still
> pretty new and experimental).
>
> ...
>
> Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
> start either. Any indications would be welcome.
>
> It looks to me like Paperwork probably has a specific set of use cases
> involved - particularly someone who scans lots of text documents.
> Concentrating on that use case seems like a perfectly good goal to me.
> I'm not 100% confident where GNOME's strategy is long-term in this area
> and would be happy to discuss it with you (just call into #gnome-design
> whenever you want). One thing that having a standalone scanning utility (in
> the shape of Simple Scan) does give us is the ability to scan different
> types of documents, that might end up in different places. Likewise, while
> we may want to look at Documents' role in the future, it does fit well into
> the triumvirate of Documents/Photos/Music. :)
>
> Best,
> Allan
>
>
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Re: Hosting Paperwork on gnome.org

[Kunal Jain]

+1! Sounds like a good first step too me!

On 02-May-2017 18:25,  wrote:

> Hosting Paperwork on gnome.org looks like a good first step.
>
> If that's ok with everybody here, I'm going to start the discussion on
> Paperwork's side. I will ask whether all
> Paperwork's contributors would agree to switch to Gnome.org (I doubt there
> will be any objection).
>
>
> 2 mai 2017 14:12 "Sébastien Wilmet"  a écrit:
>
> > On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 02:51:42PM +0200, Jerome Flesch wrote:
> >
> >> Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
> >> start either. Any indications would be welcome.
> >
> > Paperwork is at least a good fit for hosting it on gnome.org. Some
> > projects are hosted on gnome.org without being part of GNOME core. I
> > think this would be a good first step.
> >
> > It's a bit old, but it's still mostly relevant, and this might convince
> > you:
> > https://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2010/06/04/why-gnome-org
> >
> > Once a project is hosted on gnome.org, if you ask the sysadmins it's
> > possible to still use GitHub pull requests to handle contributions
> > (instead of having patches on bugzilla, IMHO the only ugly thing about
> > hosting a project on gnome.org).
> >
> > Once Paperwork is hosted on gnome.org, the release team could discuss
> > whether to add it e.g. in the "Extra apps" category, or even in the
> > "Core apps" if everyone agree that it would be nice that distros install
> > it by default. See this recent blog post for the different categories
> > and examples of apps in each category:
> > https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2016/09/21/gnome-3-22-core-apps
> >
> > But even if Papework is just hosted on gnome.org without being
> > officially part of GNOME, this would bring your project more visibility
> > I think. And a nice side-effect is that it'll be easier for you to
> > contribute to other GNOME modules if you want, because you'll already
> > have all the necessary accounts, permissions etc.
> >
> > To host a new project on gnome.org, all the information should be there:
> > https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner
> >
> > -
> >
> > From a technical point of view, I don't know if it's already the case,
> > but it would be nice to have a library with the features that Paperwork
> > provides, so if one day Simple Scan or Documents want to use some
> > features of Papework, it would be easily possible thanks to the library.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sébastien
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Re: Hosting Paperwork on gnome.org

[jflesch]

Hosting Paperwork on gnome.org looks like a good first step.

If that's ok with everybody here, I'm going to start the discussion on 
Paperwork's side. I will ask whether all
Paperwork's contributors would agree to switch to Gnome.org (I doubt there will 
be any objection).


2 mai 2017 14:12 "Sébastien Wilmet"  a écrit:

> On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 02:51:42PM +0200, Jerome Flesch wrote:
> 
>> Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
>> start either. Any indications would be welcome.
> 
> Paperwork is at least a good fit for hosting it on gnome.org. Some
> projects are hosted on gnome.org without being part of GNOME core. I
> think this would be a good first step.
> 
> It's a bit old, but it's still mostly relevant, and this might convince
> you:
> https://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2010/06/04/why-gnome-org
> 
> Once a project is hosted on gnome.org, if you ask the sysadmins it's
> possible to still use GitHub pull requests to handle contributions
> (instead of having patches on bugzilla, IMHO the only ugly thing about
> hosting a project on gnome.org).
> 
> Once Paperwork is hosted on gnome.org, the release team could discuss
> whether to add it e.g. in the "Extra apps" category, or even in the
> "Core apps" if everyone agree that it would be nice that distros install
> it by default. See this recent blog post for the different categories
> and examples of apps in each category:
> https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2016/09/21/gnome-3-22-core-apps
> 
> But even if Papework is just hosted on gnome.org without being
> officially part of GNOME, this would bring your project more visibility
> I think. And a nice side-effect is that it'll be easier for you to
> contribute to other GNOME modules if you want, because you'll already
> have all the necessary accounts, permissions etc.
> 
> To host a new project on gnome.org, all the information should be there:
> https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner
> 
> -
> 
> From a technical point of view, I don't know if it's already the case,
> but it would be nice to have a library with the features that Paperwork
> provides, so if one day Simple Scan or Documents want to use some
> features of Papework, it would be easily possible thanks to the library.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sébastien
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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[jflesch]

First of all, I want to thank you all for your comments and feedbacks. I wasn't 
really expecting such a nice welcome :-)

Regarding the HIG, you can actually also thank Mathieu Jourdan ( 
https://github.com/mjourdan ). He has been providing me with awesome mockups.
Regarding the goals, I think we can agree it would be best to keep Gnome 
documents, simple-scan and Paperwork separated, at least for now:

- Simple-scan: For me, the way I see it, it's more of a general scan 
application. It can do wonder, but my understanding is that it's not intended 
as a document manager. For instance, I used it to scan this drawing : 
https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/135331/22778343/e449f9c2-eeb6-11e6-9edc-ece6f372d147.png
 . Scanning it with Gnome Documents or Paperwork wouldn't have make sense.
- Gnome Documents: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems mostly focused at 
electronics documents (.odt, .pdf, etc).
- Paperwork: As stated previously, it has a very clear focus on paper 
documents. PDFs are mostly a side-effect so people don't have to switch between 
document managers all the time. It's also intended to let the users do as 
little as possible .. and some people just don't want that (I got a bunch of 
tickets over time regarding putting titles on documents ...). So, while its 
goal may overlap Gnome Documents, I don't think one size fits all here.
2 mai 2017 10:58 "Allan Day"  a écrit:
Hey Jerome!
 Great to hear from you, and welcome to the GNOME project!
Jerome Flesch  wrote:
...

 (sorry if it's not the correct mailing-list for this kind of discussions)

On Github, someone told me that there is someone else in the Gnome
design team working on mockups for a new document manager / scan
application[1][2]. It looks quite similar to an application I've been
working on for a while: Paperwork.
Website: https://openpaper.work/ (https://openpaper.work/)
Sources: https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/#readme 
(https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/#readme)
Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMazTTM6ltg 
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMazTTM6ltg)  
It's really fantastic to see new apps being worked on for GNOME, particularly 
when they follow the HIG! Paperwork looks really interesting.
I work on design and I was the one who drew those mockups you linked to. They 
are indeed intended as potential updates to Simple Scan (they're still pretty 
new and experimental). 
... 
 Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
start either. Any indications would be welcome. 
It looks to me like Paperwork probably has a specific set of use cases involved 
- particularly someone who scans lots of text documents. Concentrating on that 
use case seems like a perfectly good goal to me.
I'm not 100% confident where GNOME's strategy is long-term in this area and 
would be happy to discuss it with you (just call into #gnome-design whenever 
you want). One thing that having a standalone scanning utility (in the shape of 
Simple Scan) does give us is the ability to scan different types of documents, 
that might end up in different places. Likewise, while we may want to look at 
Documents' role in the future, it does fit well into the triumvirate of 
Documents/Photos/Music. :) 
Best,
Allan
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Re: Hosting Paperwork on gnome.org

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:12 AM, Sébastien Wilmet  
wrote:
To host a new project on gnome.org, all the information should be 
there:

https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner


Most importantly:

https://wiki.gnome.org/Git/NewRepository

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Hosting Paperwork on gnome.org

[Sébastien Wilmet]

On Mon, May 01, 2017 at 02:51:42PM +0200, Jerome Flesch wrote:
> Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
> start either. Any indications would be welcome.

Paperwork is at least a good fit for hosting it on gnome.org. Some
projects are hosted on gnome.org without being part of GNOME core. I
think this would be a good first step.

It's a bit old, but it's still mostly relevant, and this might convince
you:
https://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2010/06/04/why-gnome-org/

Once a project is hosted on gnome.org, if you ask the sysadmins it's
possible to still use GitHub pull requests to handle contributions
(instead of having patches on bugzilla, IMHO the only ugly thing about
hosting a project on gnome.org).

Once Paperwork is hosted on gnome.org, the release team could discuss
whether to add it e.g. in the "Extra apps" category, or even in the
"Core apps" if everyone agree that it would be nice that distros install
it by default. See this recent blog post for the different categories
and examples of apps in each category:
https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2016/09/21/gnome-3-22-core-apps/

But even if Papework is just hosted on gnome.org without being
officially part of GNOME, this would bring your project more visibility
I think. And a nice side-effect is that it'll be easier for you to
contribute to other GNOME modules if you want, because you'll already
have all the necessary accounts, permissions etc.

To host a new project on gnome.org, all the information should be there:
https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner

-

>From a technical point of view, I don't know if it's already the case,
but it would be nice to have a library with the features that Paperwork
provides, so if one day Simple Scan or Documents want to use some
features of Papework, it would be easily possible thanks to the library.

Cheers,
Sébastien
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Re: Mycroft GNOME Shell Extension & Request to join the community

[Allan Day]

Hey Rahul!

Rahul Mehra  wrote:
...

> I recently released the Mycroft AI Gnome Shell Extension for the Gnome
> Shell Desktop Environment. The shell extension is a front end to
> Mycroft AI which can be described as an open source digital assistant
> for the Linux platform. The gnome shell extension with Mycroft Core
> provides users a number of intelligent skills which can be interacted
> with via text and voice input. One of the main goals of my work on the
> gnome shell extension is to get a smart open source digital assistant
> like Mycroft to interact with the gnome desktop environment via voice
> and/or a graphical interface, with a possibility of a deeper
> integration with the desktop environment and other gnome applications
> that are included with the desktop.
>
> I am posting this email as I would like the Mycroft gnome shell
> extension project to be a part of the gnome community and get a chance
> to host my extension on gnome infrastructure.


In my experience getting hosted on GNOME infrastructure isn't the most
important thing to get involved in the community. Instead, I think the best
thing to do is join the most popular IRC channels and mailing lists, and to
help out with an existing module. The newcomers guide [1] is a great way to
get started, if that's what you want to do.

Alternatively, if you'd like to talk about how to integrate Mycroft into
GNOME, it would be great to chat on #gnome-design. I'm sure we could come
up with some ideas for how to take your work further!

Allan

[1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Newcomers/
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Re: For projects switching to Meson *only*

[Bastien Nocera]

On Sat, 2017-04-29 at 12:06 -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Bastien Nocera  
> wrote:
> > Are you saying you reverted jhbuild module changes, without
> > notifying
> > the committer, because there's a problem with the grilo/grilo-
> > plugins
> > handling,
> 
> I did notify the committer (Javier).
> 
> >  but you didn't file a bug against those modules?
> 
> Due to the large number of build failures we have to deal with when 
> releasing, I normally only file bugs on release day if I can't get
> the 
> modules to build at all.

I filed:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782055
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Re: Paperwork : a personal document manager (scanned and PDFs)

[Allan Day]

Hey Jerome!

Great to hear from you, and welcome to the GNOME project!

Jerome Flesch  wrote:
...

> (sorry if it's not the correct mailing-list for this kind of discussions)
>
> On Github, someone told me that there is someone else in the Gnome
> design team working on mockups for a new document manager / scan
> application[1][2]. It looks quite similar to an application I've been
> working on for a while: Paperwork.
> Website: https://openpaper.work/
> Sources: https://github.com/openpaperwork/paperwork/#readme
> Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMazTTM6ltg


It's really fantastic to see new apps being worked on for GNOME,
particularly when they follow the HIG! Paperwork looks really interesting.

I work on design and I was the one who drew those mockups you linked to.
They are indeed intended as potential updates to Simple Scan (they're still
pretty new and experimental).

...

> Assuming this is actually a good fit for Gnome, I'm not sure where to
> start either. Any indications would be welcome.
>

It looks to me like Paperwork probably has a specific set of use cases
involved - particularly someone who scans lots of text documents.
Concentrating on that use case seems like a perfectly good goal to me.

I'm not 100% confident where GNOME's strategy is long-term in this area and
would be happy to discuss it with you (just call into #gnome-design
whenever you want). One thing that having a standalone scanning utility (in
the shape of Simple Scan) does give us is the ability to scan different
types of documents, that might end up in different places. Likewise, while
we may want to look at Documents' role in the future, it does fit well into
the triumvirate of Documents/Photos/Music. :)

Best,

Allan
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