Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Christian Hergert]

> On Jun 12, 2020, at 7:53 AM, Ty Young via desktop-devel-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> "also, I'd recommend getting anger management classes, because you're one 
> step away from throwing bricks into  and looting independently owned 
> small-businesses, staging an insurrection, declaring an autonomous zone, and 
> extorting businesses.”


Your behavior is complete unacceptable. If anyone wondered if your behavior 
supported white supremacy, they certainly know now.

I can’t fathom finding a way to work with you on pretty much any topic at this 
point.

Go away and educate yourself, because your behavior is not welcome here.

— Christian


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Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Ty Young via desktop-devel-list]

On 6/12/20 7:40 AM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:



Also, I'd recommend mellowing out, because you're one step away from 
ranting on youtube about lizard people secretly controlling the world 
governments.



I had just seen your Twitter post, by the by. Talking crap behind 
people's backs isn't very nice, you know?



And since you started the political poo flinging and no one cares about 
their Code of Conduct, allow me this:



"also, I'd recommend getting anger management classes, because you're 
one step away from throwing bricks into  and looting independently owned 
small-businesses, staging an insurrection, declaring an autonomous zone, 
and extorting businesses."



Fair enough, yes?






Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

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Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Andre Klapper]

On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 07:48 -0500, Ty Young wrote:
> Sorry, what condescending remarks have I made? I would like to
> correct them, if possible. And what will be done about GNOME
> foundation member's condescending remarks regarding their users:

The pattern to first try to make people spend time to collect specific
remarks made by someone and then challenge  single items in lengthy
conversations in public is usually not a good use of time. As written
before: https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/CodeOfConduct/ReporterGuide

If you think that the CoC committee may have a "conflict of interest"
then that's unfortunate but up to each self-governed online community
which committees and workflows they have to foster a healthy community.

HTH,
andre

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Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Ty Young via desktop-devel-list]

On 6/12/20 7:40 AM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 13:30, Ty Young via desktop-devel-list 
mailto:desktop-devel-list@gnome.org>> 
wrote:


...sorry, just read the xkcd link. That, IMO, does indeed violates
GNOME's Code of Conduct. There sure are a lot of people violating
their
own project's inclusion and community standards...


Let's be clear: just because people don't agree with your take and 
tell you to go away doesn't mean they are violating the code of conduct.



I didn't say otherwise.




Harassing people because they don't cave to your condescending 
remarks, and don't do whatever you want, is, on the other hand, a code 
of conduct violation; so I respectfully ask you stop doing that, and 
leave this community.



Sorry, what condescending remarks have I made? I would like to correct 
them, if possible. And what will be done about GNOME foundation member's 
condescending remarks regarding their users:



They actually don’t have any influence.. they prove their entitlement by 
their very statement. They are not the people writing the code, they are 
consumers — it’s all a bunch of pageantry because they are triggered.



Surely we can agree that this is inappropriate for any official GNOME 
member to say in regards to their users, yes?






Also, I'd recommend mellowing out, because you're one step away from 
ranting on youtube about lizard people secretly controlling the world 
governments.


Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

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Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Emmanuele Bassi via desktop-devel-list]

On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 13:30, Ty Young via desktop-devel-list <
desktop-devel-list@gnome.org> wrote:


> ...sorry, just read the xkcd link. That, IMO, does indeed violates
> GNOME's Code of Conduct. There sure are a lot of people violating their
> own project's inclusion and community standards...
>

Let's be clear: just because people don't agree with your take and tell you
to go away doesn't mean they are violating the code of conduct.

Harassing people because they don't cave to your condescending remarks, and
don't do whatever you want, is, on the other hand, a code of conduct
violation; so I respectfully ask you stop doing that, and leave this
community.

Also, I'd recommend mellowing out, because you're one step away from
ranting on youtube about lizard people secretly controlling the world
governments.

Ciao,
 Emmanuele.

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Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Ty Young via desktop-devel-list]

On 6/12/20 7:24 AM, Ty Young wrote:


On 6/12/20 7:20 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:

On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 05:50 -0500, Ty Young wrote:

They have engaged in racism and censorship

You seem to confuse the terms "censorship" and "moderation". You may
want to look up definitions. If that takes too much time, then a short
(but likely also "unfriendly") summary could be http://xkcd.com/1357/

Furthermore, Reddit stuff and Fedora lists are third-parties.
The scope of this list is about GNOME *development* instead.
See https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list



Sorry, I tried finding a "users" gnome list and couldn't find one. 
Where do I go, besides emailing code-of-conduct list? I do not believe 
code-of-conduct is appropriate as there is a conflict of interest.



...sorry, just read the xkcd link. That, IMO, does indeed violates 
GNOME's Code of Conduct. There sure are a lot of people violating their 
own project's inclusion and community standards...








Thanks,
andre
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Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Andre Klapper]

On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 05:50 -0500, Ty Young wrote:
> They have engaged in racism and censorship

You seem to confuse the terms "censorship" and "moderation". You may
want to look up definitions. If that takes too much time, then a short
(but likely also "unfriendly") summary could be http://xkcd.com/1357/

Furthermore, Reddit stuff and Fedora lists are third-parties.
The scope of this list is about GNOME *development* instead.
See https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Thanks,
andre
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Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Bastien Nocera]

On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 06:49 -0500, Ty Young via desktop-devel-list
wrote:

> Your reply violates the Code of Conduct, IMO, namely be respectful, 
> empathetic, considerate, patient and generous and friendly sections
> of 
> the community guidelines. If you don't have anything constructive to
> say 
> or, at the very least, can't say it in a polite way, I'd ask that
> you 
> don't reply. Thanks.

I don't think I need to be any of those things with somebody like you.
Very courteously, I think you should leave this mailing-list, and this
community.

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Re: Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Ty Young via desktop-devel-list]

On 6/12/20 6:33 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:

On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 05:50 -0500, Ty Young via desktop-devel-list
wrote:

So, could anything be done about any of this?

You said you were leaving 8 months ago:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/1661#note_609870

I think it might be a good idea if you did.

You can use this link to ask for your gitlab account to be closed:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/Infrastructure/-/issues/new?issue%5Bassignee_id%5D=%5Bmilestone_id%5D=



That was in regards to Gitlab, not Reddit and in general is irrelevant. 
Reddit is a website not owned or controlled by GNOME. I have posted 
positive content on said forum:



https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/gyjrbk/hell_has_frozen_over_mutlitasking_customization/


Your reply violates the Code of Conduct, IMO, namely be respectful, 
empathetic, considerate, patient and generous and friendly sections of 
the community guidelines. If you don't have anything constructive to say 
or, at the very least, can't say it in a polite way, I'd ask that you 
don't reply. Thanks.


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Regarding behaviour of Gnome and Fedora members

[Ty Young via desktop-devel-list]

Hi all,


Gnome recently has stirred up controversy lately and aren't taking other 
people's opinions very well, to say the least. So far they've locked 
three threads:



https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/gz6fks/we_must_all_speak_up/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/h107as/i_agree_with_the_we_all_must_speak_up_and_the/ 



https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/h0ml37/distrotube_has_posted_a_disgusting_video_calling/


They have engaged in racism and censorship in their subreddit's comment 
sections and, just recently, banned me for posting this article, which 
I've made:



https://medium.com/@youngty1997/gnome-needs-to-be-better-2151965fd663


You may read it for yourself. In it I cite violations of Gnome's Code of 
Conduct by members of the GNOME foundation or the GNOME 
foundation(gnome.org email address), both on their subreddit and from 
fedora-devel list. I tried to cite as much as possible but Gnome 
moderators refused to hand over the moderation logs for when they locked 
a thread for reporting a bug when asked. I'm confident that they know 
what I'm talking about but just refuse to hand it over.



Keep in mind that, in Gnome's subreddit rules, it's perfectly OK to 
criticize GNOME in GNOME's subreddit. It's even in the sidebar, which 
you cannot see on old reddit(something I've told them about multiple 
times, but they've ignored repeatedly to fix):



"We do not shy away from criticism, in fact, we encourage it!"


GNOME members have recently said that "This mixing of ideas from a wide 
range of backgrounds is something that has improved free and open source 
software, and it should be highly valued."



However, their actions by locking threads and now banned me for sharing 
an article I had made goes against this statement. To be crystal clear 
here, the opinions shared in the article are not *just* my own. You may 
also read people who agree with my opinions in comment sections of the 
GNOME subreddit and Fedora subreddit which I shared it to:



https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/h7de62/gnome_needs_to_be_better/

https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/h7ddom/gnome_needs_to_be_better/


Gnome did not say that any new threads on the topic could be made nor 
was there any rule breakage that I could find. I would have loved to 
cite more things but alas, I don't have access to the information.



Sadly the moderators of each respective subreddits have censored the 
threads, and not even snew shows them for some reason. I've tried 
contacting the fedora subreddit moderators but I have a feeling they 
won't ever answer.



I was planning on fileing a Code of Conduct violation, but GNOME refused 
to turn over the requested moderation logs, so I couldn't do so and, 
Gnome's Code of Conduct hints as what the result will be anyway. I have 
zero confidence that anything will be done, so here I am sending an email.



So, could anything be done about any of this?



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