Re: Recommended office suite?
Hi, On 02/09/12 11:08 PM, Mattias Eriksson wrote: However, I haven't seen any talk about Abiword and Gnumeric on the gnome mailinglists or on planet.gnome.org for quite a while (I actually was under the impression that these projects had been abandoned). AbiWord isn't developed within the Gnome infrastructure, therefore the fact it is not being discussed on Gnome mailing or others isn't an indication of it being abandoned - nor is the lack of update of the VERY BUGGY development snapshot that Ubuntu dare to ship. Swing by #abiword on GimpNet IRC if you want to be convinced - I'm there during the day and often envening in the Pacific Timezone ; other contributors as well. While the development as slowed down due to the availability of contributors (remember it is 100% volunteer run), it is still going on. We have had 6 Summer of Code project this year, as an example ; and we have a few other people working on fixing bugs. There is a Gtk3 port that is avaialable in trunk and 2.9.4 (development snapshot) should be out soon as well. Cheers, Hub ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Recommended office suite?
On 4 September 2012 14:44, Hubert Figuière h...@figuiere.net wrote: AbiWord isn't developed within the Gnome infrastructure, therefore the fact it is not being discussed on Gnome mailing or others isn't an indication of it being abandoned - nor is the lack of update of the VERY BUGGY development snapshot that Ubuntu dare to ship. The repeated criticism from Abiword developers towards Ubuntu for daring to ship the software you released is getting pretty annoying. Your stable release, 2.8.6 has known bugs, is over two years old, and is not really supported. At least with the current development version, we have a reasonable chance of getting bugs fixed. Ubuntu is not the only one to package Abiword 2.9.* either. Please continue releasing bugfix updates and every one will win. Jeremy ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Recommended office suite?
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Mattias Eriksson snag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I noticed that the Gnome Ubuntu flavor will not ship libreoffice, but instead only ship Abiword and Gnumeric. I was surprised by this, since I think libreoffice is the best office suite for linux and it has quite good gnome integration. The motivation for this is that they want to provide a pure gnome experience, and these applications are referenced in the gnome-app module set. However, I haven't seen any talk about Abiword and Gnumeric on the gnome mailinglists or on planet.gnome.org for quite a while (I actually was under the impression that these projects had been abandoned). I'm also under the impression that there are a lot of support for LibreOffice in the Gnome community, and I was told that Documents has a dependency on it (causing Documents not to be included in the Gnome Ubuntu flavor). So my question is: What is the recommended office suite for a pure gnome experience? What has been talked about for the up coming Gnome OS? LibreOffice is the supported and recommended office suite for GNOME. It works and is supported by most of the same developers as GNOME; there's no reason to create our own. //Snaggen ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Jasper ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Recommended office suite?
Mattias Eriksson wrote: I noticed that the Gnome Ubuntu flavor will not ship libreoffice, but instead only ship Abiword and Gnumeric. I was surprised by this, since I think libreoffice is the best office suite for linux and it has quite good gnome integration. The motivation for this is that they want to provide a pure gnome experience, and these applications are referenced in the gnome-app module set. However, I haven't seen any talk about Abiword and Gnumeric on the gnome mailinglists or on planet.gnome.org for quite a while (I actually was under the impression that these projects had been abandoned). While I do not actively follow the development of abiword, I can assure you gnumeric, and the goffice support library, are still under active development, with several active commiters. As a personal preference I use gnumeric over LibreOffice Calc and it does have all the features, and more, that I want. Give it a try. But I use LibreOffice Writer, it works great and fits the environment. I'm also under the impression that there are a lot of support for LibreOffice in the Gnome community, and I was told that Documents has a dependency on it (causing Documents not to be included in the Gnome Ubuntu flavor). I do not know of such a dependency. So my question is: What is the recommended office suite for a pure gnome experience? What has been talked about for the up coming Gnome OS? GNOME by itself doesn't ship an office suite. You have seen the different projects, some are closer to GNOME, for technical or personal reasons, but none are officialy endorsed http://www.gnome.org/applications/ If you like LibreOffice, certainly Ubuntu doesn't prevent you from installing it, and it will work, don't worry about it, and please do not worry about what is pure or not. As for GNOME OS, it is primarily intended as a platform for testing and development, not the system where you'll do your daily work in spreadsheets and text documents; there is much to resolve there before we get to talk about an official office suite. Fred ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Recommended office suite?
Le lundi 03 septembre 2012, à 08:59 +0200, Frederic Peters a écrit : Mattias Eriksson wrote: I'm also under the impression that there are a lot of support for LibreOffice in the Gnome community, and I was told that Documents has a dependency on it (causing Documents not to be included in the Gnome Ubuntu flavor). I do not know of such a dependency. Documents uses unoconv to be able to show the quick preview of office documents (iirc). It's not a hard dependency, though. It will still work if unoconv is not installed. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Recommended office suite?
I'm also under the impression that there are a lot of support for LibreOffice in the Gnome community, and I was told that Documents has a dependency on it (causing Documents not to be included in the Gnome Ubuntu flavor). Interesting. Documents, as a core app, is much more fundamental to GNOME than the whole Abiword/Gnumeric vs. LibreOffice issue. Cheers, Debarshi -- If you break down the amazement with some simple rules it's only disappointment which is underneath. -- Vivek Shah pgpi09w1c0e28.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Recommended office suite?
Jeremy Bitcha said[1] that they will not include documtents in ubuntu-gnome as it depends on libreoffice. He later said that the way it is packaged right now in debian/ubuntu. I guess he is talking that comment. Anyways they are including mostly repo versions of gnome (nautilus 3.4, totem 3.4, shell 3.4, etc.). So nothing exciting for gonme fans, I guess. 1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12188416postcount=35highlight=documents On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote: I'm also under the impression that there are a lot of support for LibreOffice in the Gnome community, and I was told that Documents has a dependency on it (causing Documents not to be included in the Gnome Ubuntu flavor). Interesting. Documents, as a core app, is much more fundamental to GNOME than the whole Abiword/Gnumeric vs. LibreOffice issue. Cheers, Debarshi -- If you break down the amazement with some simple rules it's only disappointment which is underneath. -- Vivek Shah ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Thanks, Justin Joseph 09497794150 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Recommended office suite?
On 3 September 2012 09:48, Justin Joseph justin.m...@gmail.com wrote: Jeremy Bicha said[1] that they will not include documtents in ubuntu-gnome as it depends on libreoffice. He later said that the way it is packaged right now in debian/ubuntu. I guess he is talking that comment. Right, in Debian/Ubuntu, gnome-documents has a soft-dependency (recommends) on unoconv which has a soft dependency on all of libreoffice. In Debian Ubuntu, recommends are installed by default. I could push a Ubuntu package that drops one of those recommends, but being able to open ODF formats is a nice feature. I have to admit that I don't really understand what unoconv does or what packages it actually needs. Anyways they are including mostly repo versions of gnome (nautilus 3.4, totem 3.4, shell 3.4, etc.). So nothing exciting for gonme fans, I guess. I disagree. For one, we already have GNOME Shell 3.5.4 and I expect that we'll be able to include GNOME Shell 3.6. Seb Bacher has explained multiple times on this very mailing list why Totem 3.6 won't be able to be included in the next Ubuntu release (dropped support for gstreamer-0.10). Nautilus, Totem, and whatever other 3.6 components that aren't included are a very easy install away from the GNOME3 PPA. The PPA is recommended in our release notes. Part of the reason for the Ubuntu GNOME Remix is to bring Ubuntu and GNOME closer together again and I believe that is happening. Jeremy ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Recommended office suite?
On 3 September 2012 02:12, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: LibreOffice is the supported and recommended office suite for GNOME. It works and is supported by most of the same developers as GNOME; there's no reason to create our own. To be fair, abiword and gnumeric both show up in gnome-apps-3.6 in jhbuild but LibreOffice is completely missing. Perhaps this is unofficial but it should be corrected if it is inaccurate: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOffice For GNOME2, Debian had a similar metapackage: http://packages.debian.org/sid/gnome-office And even for GNOME3, the Debian gnome metapackage depends on Abiword Gnumeric but a user can substitute LibreOffice. Jeremy ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
