Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Are there any plans to integrate Tomboy with the new Memos-backend in evolution-data-server 1.6? As always, if there are volunteers who are willing to pitch in and get the ball rolling, I would only be too happy to support the effort and do my bit for it. s/support the effort/be a Summer of Code mentor/ ?? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
I'd rather see SoC contributors working on syncing multiple computers, or shared notes, or even bulletpoints (which could benefit all GtkTextView using applications). I'm not sure how to get the ball rolling on SoC though. What can I do as a maintainer/possible mentor? -Alex Nigel Tao wrote: Are there any plans to integrate Tomboy with the new Memos-backend in evolution-data-server 1.6? As always, if there are volunteers who are willing to pitch in and get the ball rolling, I would only be too happy to support the effort and do my bit for it. s/support the effort/be a Summer of Code mentor/ ?? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Le vendredi 28 avril 2006 à 10:00 -0700, Alex Graveley a écrit : I'd rather see SoC contributors working on syncing multiple computers, or shared notes, or even bulletpoints (which could benefit all GtkTextView using applications). I'm not sure how to get the ball rolling on SoC though. What can I do as a maintainer/possible mentor? Putting ideas on [1] (and you already did this) is the first step. Then, if you want to be a mentor, you need to register. See [2] for details. It's not too late to add some other ideas to our pool of ideas, btw ;-) [1] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2006/Ideas [2] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2006-April/msg3.html Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 13:59 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: 2.2: Make it sticky (stays on top of windows). one of the reasons I've never used sticky notes was that it allowed you to have all notes on screen or, as an option, to have none, nothing in between. I would like, if Tomboy gets the sticky thing, to just stick the opened notes, not all. If you have lots of notes, having them all stuck on the screen is a PITA. -- Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Hi, 1) This bug could probably use some feedback from you, if you are still seeing it in the newest version. 2) This is an artifact of depending on Gtk# 1. Work to remove this dependency and switch to Gtk# 2 is underway on the tomboy-0-4 CVS branch, the next major release branch. Please give it a try. 3) The evolution mail linking plugin introduced in the latest release is quite buggy, it was included to get some exposure and testing. 4) Can you provide some startup timing information so we can figure out where this time is spent? Thanks, -Alex Nate Nielsen wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: So I'm seeing that everybody is up for Tomboy as part of the desktop. Yes? I use Tomboy. However I think that Tomboy is missing several things I've come to expect in modern GNOME apps. As a developer I can put up with certain deficiencies, but these will be more frustrating to users: * Doesn't respect keyboard layouts. In particular Tomboy is almost useless those who type with a dvorak keyboard layout, and I'd imagine other locale's layouts have problems too [1]. * Doesn't use the new file chooser [2]. * All sorts of strange copy and paste behavior, usually when related to links. Sometimes I feel like I'm fighting Tomboy, and struggling to keep my note sane. Some examples: [3] [4] * Takes a really long time to start up. 8 seconds for me. IMO Tomboy would need a good deal of attention and polish before released as part of GNOME. Obviously these things could be fixed after it was marked for inclusion. However, in the past this would mean that the maintainer was asked to polish/complete and propose it again for the next release. Cheers, Nate [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171075 [2] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336507 [3] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330965 [4] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330964 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: So I'm seeing that everybody is up for Tomboy as part of the desktop. Yes? I use Tomboy. However I think that Tomboy is missing several things I've come to expect in modern GNOME apps. As a developer I can put up with certain deficiencies, but these will be more frustrating to users: * Doesn't respect keyboard layouts. In particular Tomboy is almost useless those who type with a dvorak keyboard layout, and I'd imagine other locale's layouts have problems too [1]. * Doesn't use the new file chooser [2]. * All sorts of strange copy and paste behavior, usually when related to links. Sometimes I feel like I'm fighting Tomboy, and struggling to keep my note sane. Some examples: [3] [4] * Takes a really long time to start up. 8 seconds for me. IMO Tomboy would need a good deal of attention and polish before released as part of GNOME. Obviously these things could be fixed after it was marked for inclusion. However, in the past this would mean that the maintainer was asked to polish/complete and propose it again for the next release. Cheers, Nate [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171075 [2] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336507 [3] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330965 [4] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330964 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On 4/23/06, Nate Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO Tomboy would need a good deal of attention and polish before released as part of GNOME. I think thats a slight exagerration really. Of the 4 things you listed, one is trivial, one is a bit weird, and two are just plain bugs. Software doesn't have to be perfect to be included, and nothing here is unfixable, or denotes a lack of polish/incompleteness. (I also don't see the speed problem personally. It takes 2 seconds to start and this is on a machine that makes the desktop completely unresponsive and music skip when running a configure script - not that my anecdotal evidence makes yours any less valid) iain ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16 (lets get this over with) (from digest)
Elijah Newren wrote: 1. gtk-sharp isn't (yet) in the bindings set (and I haven't seen it proposed by its maintainer(s)) 2. gtk-sharp isn't yet a blessed binding dependency (only python is so far; though there doesn't seem to be any objection so far so this one looks pretty good if 1 goes through) It can't really go in until those two are handled. I have a vague recollection of a discussion during 2.11 which went along the lines of we shouldn't include language binding X in the bindings set, because at the moment there are no apps that use it proposed for the desktop. Am I dreaming? If that's an argument that's been used in the past, then we'd be in a chicken egg situation. One other question - let's suppose that gtk# gets added to the bindings - what additional step is required to bless it? Is including an app that depends on it in the desktop enough of a blessing, or is there some ritual with robes and incense that I don't know about? One more (final) question: does including a gtk# app imply depending on Mono? Or are we separating the language from its compiler? If we depend on Mono, what is our possible exposure as a project to patent issues? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16 (lets get this over with) (from digest)
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 10:23 +0200, David Neary wrote: Elijah Newren wrote: 1. gtk-sharp isn't (yet) in the bindings set (and I haven't seen it proposed by its maintainer(s)) 2. gtk-sharp isn't yet a blessed binding dependency (only python is so far; though there doesn't seem to be any objection so far so this one looks pretty good if 1 goes through) It can't really go in until those two are handled. I have a vague recollection of a discussion during 2.11 which went along the lines of we shouldn't include language binding X in the bindings set, because at the moment there are no apps that use it proposed for the desktop. Am I dreaming? Yes, dreaming I think. I've never heard that argument. It's sometimes an argument for distros not to ship bindings, though it's a stupid argument because the bindings provide a development platform, and a development platform is useful to others even if you don't use it yourself. But people have often said that we shouldn't use a binding in the Desktop if it's not in Bindings. That makes sense to me - we generally want to depend on stuff that has committed to certain API practices, and it's fair to be concerned if they can't commit to the simple practices asked of the bindings. I've been vigorously attacked before for suggesting Gtk# might want to follow the bindings rules. I'll try to stay out of this, so that others, who feel the same, can show that they care too, because I think they do. If that's an argument that's been used in the past, then we'd be in a chicken egg situation. One other question - let's suppose that gtk# gets added to the bindings - what additional step is required to bless it? Is including an app that depends on it in the desktop enough of a blessing, or is there some ritual with robes and incense that I don't know about? One more (final) question: does including a gtk# app imply depending on Mono? Or are we separating the language from its compiler? If we depend on Mono, what is our possible exposure as a project to patent issues? I'm more concerned about being forced to follow Microsoft's direction. Whatever stupid decisions Microsoft take, Mono has to take them too, because compatibility and equivalency with the MS Windows implementation is so important. I've seen how Microsoft destroy their own creations because they have so few pressures to maintain quality or cohesiveness. I wouldn't be afraid of losing a notes application because of this, but I wouldn't want it to mean that we had blessed this dependency for deeper use. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16 (lets get this over with)
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 16:58 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: If nobody responds with any serious objections by Monday, then let's just assume it's in. That's wildly premature. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Trying to keep the dependencies issue out of it for a moment, here are some more thoughts, assuming that we are talking about replacing Sticky Notes with Tomboy. 1. Can we rename Tomboy to Sticky Notes, or at least change the tooltip to Notes rather than Tomboy Notes, so it is more meaninful to people who are not in the know? 2. Most enthusiastic Tomboy users have made a conscious decision to start using it, but most users are going to perceive this as Sticky Notes changed hugely, sometimes in arbitrary unnecessary ways, and it has lost my notes. GNOME hates me. I'm going to slam them on Slashdot every day for weeks.. So that they perceive it as Stick Notes now has formatting and links, and a toolbar for that. Cool., can we at least remove the arbitrary differences, such as: 2.1: Make it look the same: The same colors and window styles? 2.2: Make it sticky (stays on top of windows). 2.3: Try to make the menus the same (though I agree that a left-click menu is nice to have for a list of notes.) 2.4: Import their existing notes, when first starting, to help people who upgrade their distros (hence upgrading their GNOME version.) 3. It's probably because I haven't used it much, but I have a slight fear that linking might not be a feature that most people would use much, and that it might overcomplicate things. Then again, it doesn't seem to get in the way if you don't use it. At least for the release notes, it would be nice to have some example use cases of what a non-techy person would use it for. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 08:58 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: 2.2: Make it sticky (stays on top of windows). Oh great, two definitions of 'sticky' wasn't enough...we just had to add a third, didn't we? (Or was this already added by Sticky Notes and I just didn't notice since I haven't really used it?) Actually, it doesn't seem to stay on top of windows, so ignore that. I guess I remember the behaviour from the Macintosh and kind of assumed that something just wasn't working properly when it didn't in GNOME. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Ya, that makes sense to me. I'd like to move towards a pluggable storage backend approach anyway, to support network storage or shared notes, so an e-d-s backend could be an option as well. It seems like this issue shouldn't block Tomboy's inclusion though, given that e.g. stickynotes doesn't store in e-d-s either, and I've not received any requests for tomboy/e-d-s storage. A future goal to unify storage sounds good to me, once people start using Tomboy and Evolution notes both. -Alex Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 12:10 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Two questions: 1) Can you explain the actual user-benefit to keeping Tomboy notes in e-d-s? the user can use whatever frontend, but the notes will be the same in all applications. Isn't that a benefit? No need to export/import/look for weird .dotdirs where the files were saved last time a specific frontend worked, etc, etc 2) Is moving Tomboy to use e-d-s going to be a requirement for inclusion in Gnome? I don't think so, but it would be a good thing ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
So I'm seeing that everybody is up for Tomboy as part of the desktop. Yes? sri On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 01:03:38PM -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Ya, that makes sense to me. I'd like to move towards a pluggable storage backend approach anyway, to support network storage or shared notes, so an e-d-s backend could be an option as well. It seems like this issue shouldn't block Tomboy's inclusion though, given that e.g. stickynotes doesn't store in e-d-s either, and I've not received any requests for tomboy/e-d-s storage. A future goal to unify storage sounds good to me, once people start using Tomboy and Evolution notes both. -Alex Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 12:10 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Two questions: 1) Can you explain the actual user-benefit to keeping Tomboy notes in e-d-s? the user can use whatever frontend, but the notes will be the same in all applications. Isn't that a benefit? No need to export/import/look for weird .dotdirs where the files were saved last time a specific frontend worked, etc, etc 2) Is moving Tomboy to use e-d-s going to be a requirement for inclusion in Gnome? I don't think so, but it would be a good thing ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Two words... Hell yeah. (4 if you count the intro...15 if you count this bit) On 4/21/06, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm seeing that everybody is up for Tomboy as part of the desktop. Yes? sri On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 01:03:38PM -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Ya, that makes sense to me. I'd like to move towards a pluggable storage backend approach anyway, to support network storage or shared notes, so an e-d-s backend could be an option as well. It seems like this issue shouldn't block Tomboy's inclusion though, given that e.g. stickynotes doesn't store in e-d-s either, and I've not received any requests for tomboy/e-d-s storage. A future goal to unify storage sounds good to me, once people start using Tomboy and Evolution notes both. -Alex Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 12:10 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Two questions: 1) Can you explain the actual user-benefit to keeping Tomboy notes in e-d-s? the user can use whatever frontend, but the notes will be the same in all applications. Isn't that a benefit? No need to export/import/look for weird .dotdirs where the files were saved last time a specific frontend worked, etc, etc 2) Is moving Tomboy to use e-d-s going to be a requirement for inclusion in Gnome? I don't think so, but it would be a good thing ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16 (lets get this over with)
On 4/21/06, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If nobody responds with any serious objections by Monday, then let's just assume it's in. ?? 1. gtk-sharp isn't (yet) in the bindings set (and I haven't seen it proposed by its maintainer(s)) 2. gtk-sharp isn't yet a blessed binding dependency (only python is so far; though there doesn't seem to be any objection so far so this one looks pretty good if 1 goes through) It can't really go in until those two are handled. 3. monday is the module proposal deadline, not the module-acceptance deadline (see also the Module inclusion discussion heats up scheduled around mid-july on http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen, which comes a few weeks before module freeze) Hope that helps, Elijah ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 13:03 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: It seems like this issue shouldn't block Tomboy's inclusion though, given that e.g. stickynotes doesn't store in e-d-s either, and I've not received any requests for tomboy/e-d-s storage. A future goal to unify storage sounds good to me, once people start using Tomboy and Evolution notes both. FWIW: stickynotes/e-d-s is this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116487 This also discusses the possibility of sharing notes data with KDE. -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
tir, 18,.04.2006 kl. 14.33 -0700, skrev Alex Graveley: Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Gnome and is bundled by many major distributions. I think it counts as a popular and worthwhile software. Should we bite the bullet and add it to the Gnome desktop officially? Are there any plans to integrate Tomboy with the new Memos-backend in evolution-data-server 1.6? Cheers :) Heikki ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 13:21 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: yay, it would be really good if all notes app used the same API, so yeah, e-d-s' seems the best candidate, since it already supports several clients at once, notifications of changes, etc The only problem I see is the text format. Tomboy uses nice markup which, AFAIR, evolution does not support, so even though you can add that markup to the text of the note, other apps would display it incorrectly. One possible option would be use use HTML: change the Evolution Notes component to embed GTKHTML, and in Tomboy use a subset of HTML when the notes come from EDS. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.burtonini.com./ PGP Fingerprint: 1A21 F5B0 D8D0 CFE3 81D4 E25A 2D09 E447 D0B4 33DF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Yes. This idea has been in consideration for some time now and figures in the melting pot of 'Cool Ideas to go forward in EDS'. However, with users and bug reports growing by the day and a backlog of patches, it is unlikely that this would be a deliverable from the Evolution team in the coming cycle. There are some exciting problems waiting to be solved in this integration - especially on * carrying the concept of hyperlinking (which delivers the core value and power of Tomboy notes) over to the Memos and VJOURNAL data (as opposed to plain import/export of raw information). * exciting new things that you can do with the capability of sharing notes with your mail buddies - getting your desktop stuff into the network. As always, if there are volunteers who are willing to pitch in and get the ball rolling, I would only be too happy to support the effort and do my bit for it. Harish On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 13:06 +0200, Heikki Henriksen wrote: tir, 18,.04.2006 kl. 14.33 -0700, skrev Alex Graveley: Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Gnome and is bundled by many major distributions. I think it counts as a popular and worthwhile p software. Should we bite the bullet and add it to the Gnome desktop officially? Are there any plans to integrate Tomboy with the new Memos-backend in evolution-data-server 1.6? Cheers :) Heikki ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 17:27 +0530, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Embedded GTKHTML in the calendar/memos/tasks component is under works. It should be available by the second or the third dot release in the current dev cycle :-) And yes, I think the HTML approach would be the shortest-path for the integration too. great! Then let's move all apps to e-d-s API. Any objection? -- Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 12:34 +0100, Ross Burton wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 13:21 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: yay, it would be really good if all notes app used the same API, so yeah, e-d-s' seems the best candidate, since it already supports several clients at once, notifications of changes, etc The only problem I see is the text format. Tomboy uses nice markup which, AFAIR, evolution does not support, so even though you can add that markup to the text of the note, other apps would display it incorrectly. One possible option would be use use HTML: change the Evolution Notes component to embed GTKHTML, and in Tomboy use a subset of HTML when the notes come from EDS. Just an update. Already some work is happening towards integrating GtkHTML into Calendar/Tasks/Memo. Mostly it should be ready for 2.16. -Srini Ross ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 13:48 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Hi, I've never really felt comfortable with the linked-square icons, which is why the Tintin logo has been around for so long. Though, at this point, I suspect the linked-square is reaching de-facto status. (I would like to note that I've never received a patch to switch the icons, even though every distro is using one.) Guilty as charged. I've now sent you a patch off list. It includes the new Tango icons from Jakub, rather than the linked squares... -Gary ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Two questions: 1) Can you explain the actual user-benefit to keeping Tomboy notes in e-d-s? 2) Is moving Tomboy to use e-d-s going to be a requirement for inclusion in Gnome? -Alex Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 17:27 +0530, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Embedded GTKHTML in the calendar/memos/tasks component is under works. It should be available by the second or the third dot release in the current dev cycle :-) And yes, I think the HTML approach would be the shortest-path for the integration too. great! Then let's move all apps to e-d-s API. Any objection? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 12:10 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Two questions: 1) Can you explain the actual user-benefit to keeping Tomboy notes in e-d-s? 2) Is moving Tomboy to use e-d-s going to be a requirement for inclusion in Gnome? It shouldn't be viewed as keeping Tomboy notes in e-d-s. Its simply a tomboy backend, you can do storage however you like, presumably the same tomboy system you have now. I'm not totally sure its worth it. But if we want to talk about first class objects and tagging there has to be some storage mechanism for the meta data (e-d-s, beagle, tracker, something else). -JP -- JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell, Inc. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Nah, you just need stable URLs and a DBUS interface, which Tomboy already has. -Alex JP Rosevear wrote: I'm not totally sure its worth it. But if we want to talk about first class objects and tagging there has to be some storage mechanism for the meta data (e-d-s, beagle, tracker, something else). ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
What I had in mind when I mentioned 'integration' was not : making e-d-s the 'only' backend for Tomboy. I do not see any point making Tomboy to use e-d-s a requirement for inclusion in GNOME either. What I did have in mind was : Ability for Tomboy and EDS to share information - each acting as an *additional* source for the other. I am a heavy user of both Tomboy and the Memos - I _do_ not want every single Tomboy note inside my Memos or under e-d-s. But if the two work together - they do open a lot of interesting possibilities. Just to name a few... * Ideas-capture is best done by Tomboy for me - but while operating out of my calendar/todo list - I always prefer to park a bunch of notes relevant to a given task/appointment inside my e-d-s information space. I would like to able to associate a live reference to the notes rather than a stale snapshot of the notes. I want to read them inside my memos, associate them with my projects and schedule but retain the flexibility of entry/modification via Tomboy). * I have the habit of tracking open-loops with individuals my devoting a Tomboy note for each of them and I look it up whenever I am mailing the person. I would certainly love if a hover on the contact in evolution can bring up my Notes associated with that person. Harish On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 12:10 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Two questions: 1) Can you explain the actual user-benefit to keeping Tomboy notes in e-d-s? 2) Is moving Tomboy to use e-d-s going to be a requirement for inclusion in Gnome? -Alex Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 17:27 +0530, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Embedded GTKHTML in the calendar/memos/tasks component is under works. It should be available by the second or the third dot release in the current dev cycle :-) And yes, I think the HTML approach would be the shortest-path for the integration too. great! Then let's move all apps to e-d-s API. Any objection? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Hi Alex, Le mardi 18 avril 2006 à 14:33 -0700, Alex Graveley a écrit : Given that Tomboy is the probably the smallest and therefore the most digestible of the new crop of Mono-based Gnome applications, I think the time is right to discuss inclusion. Thanks for proposing tomboy! My main question is about the Gtk# bindings: should we include them in the bindings set before including an app? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 14:33 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Tomboy is already a well-behaved Gnome application, but several tasks would need to be completed before inclusion: * Using jimmac's trademark-free icons by default. The standard sticky notes icon, or the linked notes icon? It seems that despite the fact that the linked notes icon is more like notes, it is unclear as to what is actualy in the icon, because the concept of linked notes is somewhat hard to comprehend for users. We all know that they are linked, but perhaps this is just a technical detail that we should not be conveying in the icons and such. It's an interesting feature, but it's not really the entire selling point that we should be using for tomboy, I think. Jakub has drawn some standard sticky-notes style icons, which I think probably let users understand what tomboy is, much better. Also, if we do make tomboy part of the desktop, does that mean we should drop the notes applet from gnome-applets? If so, does that mean that we will be losing data for some users? Can tomboy migrate that data over, so that we don't just end up losing the notes for those users? -- dobey ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
I think including Gtk#2 in the binding set is a prudent idea, but we should ask the maintainer if he is interested. Mike? -Alex Vincent Untz wrote: Hi Alex, Le mardi 18 avril 2006 à 14:33 -0700, Alex Graveley a écrit : Given that Tomboy is the probably the smallest and therefore the most digestible of the new crop of Mono-based Gnome applications, I think the time is right to discuss inclusion. Thanks for proposing tomboy! My main question is about the Gtk# bindings: should we include them in the bindings set before including an app? Vincent ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
I've been using Tomboy for the last few days and it seriously rocks. +1 ;-) I have one question: Google tells me it should integrate with Beagle, but Beagle searches never return any Tomboy-related results. Should this Just Work? -- Andrew ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
Hi, I've never really felt comfortable with the linked-square icons, which is why the Tintin logo has been around for so long. Though, at this point, I suspect the linked-square is reaching de-facto status. (I would like to note that I've never received a patch to switch the icons, even though every distro is using one.) I raise the question of stickynotes in my original mail... I am somewhat indifferent to the decision. I do think forcing stickynotes users onto a completely different interface is a bad idea, especially one lacking the features they expect from stickynotes (namely the stickiness). An import wizard the first time tomboy is run might be a better option. -Alex Rodney Dawes wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 14:33 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Tomboy is already a well-behaved Gnome application, but several tasks would need to be completed before inclusion: * Using jimmac's trademark-free icons by default. The standard sticky notes icon, or the linked notes icon? It seems that despite the fact that the linked notes icon is more like notes, it is unclear as to what is actualy in the icon, because the concept of linked notes is somewhat hard to comprehend for users. We all know that they are linked, but perhaps this is just a technical detail that we should not be conveying in the icons and such. It's an interesting feature, but it's not really the entire selling point that we should be using for tomboy, I think. Jakub has drawn some standard sticky-notes style icons, which I think probably let users understand what tomboy is, much better. Also, if we do make tomboy part of the desktop, does that mean we should drop the notes applet from gnome-applets? If so, does that mean that we will be losing data for some users? Can tomboy migrate that data over, so that we don't just end up losing the notes for those users? -- dobey ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 14:33 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Gnome and is bundled by many major distributions. I think it counts as a popular and worthwhile software. Should we bite the bullet and add it to the Gnome desktop officially? I'm all for this. Tomboy now has all my plans for world domination. But Tomboy takes 11 seconds from the time it gets exec()ed until it actually registers its OAFIID. Some profiling love is in order :) Federico ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
Re: Tomboy in 2.16
All the more reason to get some more eyes looking at it! -Alex Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 14:33 -0700, Alex Graveley wrote: Tomboy is a desktop note-taking application for Gnome and is bundled by many major distributions. I think it counts as a popular and worthwhile software. Should we bite the bullet and add it to the Gnome desktop officially? I'm all for this. Tomboy now has all my plans for world domination. But Tomboy takes 11 seconds from the time it gets exec()ed until it actually registers its OAFIID. Some profiling love is in order :) Federico ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
