[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2016-03-06 20:01, Nikita Yerenkov-Scott wrote:
> The output of the first command is:
> 
> ibus-anthy  1.5.6-1
> 
> And of the second:
> 
> CLUTTER_IM_MODULE=xim
> QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
> XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
> QT4_IM_MODULE=xim
> GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus

That looks fine AFAICT. To make sure that the ibus program actually
runs, can you also show us the output of:

ps -A | grep ibus

If it does, it beats me why "Japanese (Anthy)" does not show up as an
input source option (unless "Japanese" actually means "Japanese (Anthy)"
in Ubuntu GNOME, but then it ought to work OTOH... (I'm not using Ubuntu
GNOME myself, so I'm actually referring to what it looks like in Unity.)

> Also, should the title of this bug be changed as I'm not sure it still
> fully reflects on the subject we are talking about...?

We seem to be talking about multiple aspects of IBus in Ubuntu GNOME, so
I changed the title to a more general wording.

** Summary changed:

- "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method 
system
+ ibus/im-config in Ubuntu GNOME

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Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Nikita Yerenkov-Scott
Also, should the title of this bug be changed as I'm not sure it still
fully reflects on the subject we are talking about...?

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  New
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-session package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Nikita Yerenkov-Scott
@Gunnar, It was about a week ago that I installed the Japanese language,
so yes, I've done many reboots since... And it's still not working...

The output of the first command is:

ibus-anthy  1.5.6-1

And of the second:

CLUTTER_IM_MODULE=xim
QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
QT4_IM_MODULE=xim
GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus

** Changed in: ubuntu-gnome
   Status: Invalid => New

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  New
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-session package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2016-03-06 11:50, Nikita Yerenkov-Scott wrote:
> @Gunnar, Yes, I have been told this before, but the only Input
> Source that shows in any of the settings is "Japanese"...

Did you log out or reboot after you had installed the Japanese language
support? If not, please do so.

If that doesn't make Anthy show up among the input sources, can you
please let us know the output from these terminal commands:

dpkg-query -W ibus-anthy

env | grep -E 'XMOD|IM_MODULE'

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-session package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2016-03-06 11:08, Alkis Georgopoulos wrote:
> Hi, I've tested the packages from the PPA under Xenial's
> gnome-flashback, and now I got ibus running by default. And it again
> breaks keyboard layout switching with the default Win+Space, so I
> can't type in Greek (LP: #1481025).

Thanks for testing! Bad news, apparently. :(

May I ask: Which display language are you using? If it's something else
but Greek, can you please switch to Greek, log out, log in again, and
then try to type in Greek (with IBus running). Does that make a
difference?

Also, just to make sure: Is your Xenial updated with the latest package
versions?

> Why can't im-config default to ibus in locales that need it, and to
> None in locales that don't need it, as it did in previous Ubuntu
> releases?

Well, it started with bug #1550325, where it was reported that some
applications need IBus to work. Maybe that's true for other flavors but
MATE. Then there is the inconsistency in Ubuntu GNOME, which led to the
confusion resulting in this bug report.

> Apart from the serious problems that it's causing, it's also wasting
> a lot of MB RAM per user,

Nah, I don't think IBus requires a lot of memory. Please note that IBus
is running in Unity and Ubuntu GNOME, whatever the settings are. (Only
some environment variables differ.) I don't know about Gnome Flashback
in this respect.

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-session package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Nikita Yerenkov-Scott
@Gunnar, Yes, I have been told this before, but the only Input Source
that shows in any of the settings is "Japanese"...

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-session package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-06 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
> With those changes, im-config (and gnome-language-selector) will
default to IBus in Ubuntu GNOME.

Hi, I've tested the packages from the PPA under Xenial's gnome-flashback, and 
now I got ibus running by default.
And it again breaks keyboard layout switching with the default Win+Space, so I 
can't type in Greek (LP: #1481025).

Why can't im-config default to ibus in locales that need it, and to None in 
locales that don't need it, as it did in previous Ubuntu releases?
Apart from the serious problems that it's causing, it's also wasting a lot of 
MB RAM per user, which is completely unacceptable for multi-user systems like 
LTSP.

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-session package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-05 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
I have uploaded modified versions of im-config and language-selector to
this PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/im-config-gnome

Please feel free to upload and test.

With those changes, im-config (and gnome-language-selector) will default
to IBus in Ubuntu GNOME. I added an exception for Ubuntu GNOME, so it
will not default to fcitx even if a CJKV language is used as the display
language. This seemed to be the most reasonable solution, considering
the limitations of gnome-control-center in this respect.

I also changed pkg_depends so it pulls IBus IM engines for Chinese in
Ubuntu GNOME. (Currently it does not.)

It should be noted that you don't need to install language-selector-
gnome to switch between IM frameworks (IBus, fcitx, etc.). It can be
done from the im-config GUI "Input Method Configuration" or from command
line.

Let me know if you have any objections on the proposed changes.

Personally I think it would make sense to at least try to *allow* the
users to use fcitx, even if g-c-c doesn't support it. Possibly it would
require that the settings of the IM related environment variables in
gnome-session are commented. (im-config sets them anyway as long as IBus
is the selected IM framework.) I added a gnome-session task as a
reminder. ;)

@Nikita: The input source you should use for typing Japanese is
"Japanese (Anthy)" or possibly "Japanese (Mozc)".

** Changed in: im-config (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Medium

** Changed in: im-config (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => In Progress

** Changed in: im-config (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Medium

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => In Progress

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)

** Also affects: gnome-session (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-session package in Ubuntu:
  New
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-03 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Another thing: If I understand it correctly, gnome-session sets always
the IM related environment variables to ibus. Considering that you have
im-config anyway in Ubuntu GNOME, it may be desirable to comment that
code via a patch. Doing so may be a condition for making it possible to
use fcitx at all.

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-03 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
I see, so you do have both language-selector-common and im-config. In
that case it's important that we do *something*.

Just switching to ibus by default all over would be a slightly more
complex change.

It should be noted that as regards the Chinese languages, pkg_depends
does currently (16.04) not pull any ibus IM engine. The switch to fcitx
as the default for CJKV languages has been done at request of the CJKV
users.

Does fcitx at all work on Ubuntu GNOME? I can't tell for sure, but I
know that it was possible to use fcitx in Unity before unity-control-
center had been changed to support fcitx. However, then you had to use
the fcitx tools for enabling and switching between input methods. It
would need to be tested for Ubuntu GNOME.

So we have two options, I suppose:

1) Same as Unity (if it works), which is in accordance with what most
   CJKV users prefer, but would result in a more complex UI for input
   method switching for them (i.e. g-c-c can't be used).

2) ibus default all over, which would not break the use of g-c-c for IM
   handling.

@Tim: Your decision. ;)

@Aron: Any thoughts on the topic?

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
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Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-02 Thread Tim
we seed language-selector-common, since that provides the list of
packages that make up language packs (when installing from gnome-
control-center). im-config is on our images, seems like ibus pulls that
one in.

I wonder should be just switch to ibus by default? I am not really up to
date with the whole ibus vs fcitx for CJK statuses, but I do wonder how
broken is fcitx under gnome-shell, i.e. does layout switching even work
etc? or is it just the xim mode being set incorrectly causing the
issues?

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-02 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Hi Tim,

On 2016-03-02 10:17, Tim wrote:
> any thoughts on this one?

Possibly. gnome-language-selector (the language-selector-gnome package)
includes that UI for controlling the im-config behavior.

If I understand it correctly, Ubuntu GNOME does not ship any of these
packages by default:

- language-selector-gnome
- language-selector-common
- im-config

Is that correct?

But if a user installs language-selector-gnome, as Nikita did, all those
three packages get installed, and thus im-config may affect the input
method configuration. Also, if you use gnome-language-selector to
install Japanese (or any other CJKV language), fcitx gets installed as
well.

And yes, in this situation im-config defaults to "none" (which is
actually xim...).

This makes me think of bug #1550325. Possibly we should make a similar
change to im-config (and language-selector-gnome), so they behave in the
same way in Ubuntu GNOME as they do in Unity and MATE.

Let me know.

** Also affects: im-config (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: im-config (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Incomplete

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Incomplete

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  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
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Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
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  Invalid
Status in im-config package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete
Status in language-selector package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-03-02 Thread Tim
Hey Gunnar, 
   any thoughts on this one? I don't think we have any patches for ibus/input 
methods in the GNOME components, but maybe the lower level components do? See 
the upstream bug for more deatils.

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  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  Invalid
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-02-29 Thread Nikita Yerenkov-Scott
Changing bug status in accordance with feedback from upstream.

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

** Changed in: ubuntu-gnome
   Status: New => Invalid

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Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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[Desktop-packages] [Bug 1551283] Re: "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input method system

2016-02-29 Thread Nikita Yerenkov-Scott
I have now also filed a report on this issue upstream:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762877

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #762877
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762877

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Title:
  "Region & Language" settings should allow you to set keyboard input
  method system

Status in Ubuntu GNOME:
  New
Status in gnome-control-center package in Ubuntu:
  New

Bug description:
  In the gnome-language-selector one is able to set the "Keyboard input
  method system". For instance on my system I can either set it to
  "none", "IBus", or "fcitx". However there is no such option in the
  gnome-control-center's Region & Language section, though I think that
  there should be.

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