Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
Hi Khou and Raúl, > Yes. We should use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. We agree using apache/arrow's GitHub Releases the right thing to do. > GitHub releases do have a prerelease/rc status that can be activated. Maybe > that could be used as an indicator to not include theses on the exchange > site? We just got confirmation from the File Exchange development team that the File Exchange-GitHub Integration ignores pre-releases. So marking release candidates as pre-releases should prevent the File Exchange entry from linking to them. > Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any > GitHub App, set secret variable or something on > apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. The current version of the File Exchange GitHub integration relies on polling. If this changes, we'll followup. Based on the discussion so far, it seems like we have a clear path forward for integrating the MATLAB Interface into the Apache Arrow release process via GitHub Releases. Thanks again for all the advice! Best, Sarah Gilmore From: Sutou Kouhei Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 4:25 PM To: dev@arrow.apache.org Cc: Lei Hou ; Sarah Gilmore Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface Yes. We should use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. In "Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface" on Fri, 10 Nov 2023 19:11:16 +0100, Raúl Cumplido wrote: > In case it was not clear, even though the binary job is run on > ursacomputing/crossbow when we upload the binaries and create the > Release that should be, at least in my opinion, an apache/arrow > release. > > Both for the steps: > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > and > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z > > El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 19:02, Raúl Cumplido () escribió: >> >> Hi Sara, >> >> El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 18:48, Sarah Gilmore >> () escribió: >> > >> > Hi Kou, >> > >> > > We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release >> > > distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a >> > > release platform: >> > > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms<https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms> >> > > >> > > apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but >> > > apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql >> > > already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release >> > > upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) >> > >> > Thank you for clarifying that we can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases >> > area for hosting the MLTBX file. We assumed we couldn't use the main >> > repository, but it's great to hear we can! >> > >> > > BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? >> > > https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub >> > > >> > > Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any >> > > GitHub App, set secret variable or something on >> > > apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. >> > >> > We are currently consulting with the development team responsible for the >> > GitHub <-> File Exchange integration. We'll send a followup email with a >> > concrete answer once we know more. >> > >> > > If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the >> > > following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. >> > > >> > > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN >> > > 2. Release: Run a post release script that would: >> > > 2.1 Download MLTBX from GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN >> > > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z >> > > 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated >> > >> > This seems like a much more streamlined approach. Not having to upload to >> > JFrog will make things easier. Thanks for the suggestion! >> > >> > To clarify, in step 1, would we upload the MLTBX to >> > ursacomputing/crossbow's GitHub Releases area [1]? Or, would we upload to >> > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area? If we upload release candidates to >> > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area, they would get automatically linked >> > to the File Exchange. Ideally, we wouldn't want users to download release >> > candidates. >>
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
Yes. We should use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. In "Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface" on Fri, 10 Nov 2023 19:11:16 +0100, Raúl Cumplido wrote: > In case it was not clear, even though the binary job is run on > ursacomputing/crossbow when we upload the binaries and create the > Release that should be, at least in my opinion, an apache/arrow > release. > > Both for the steps: > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > and > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z > > El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 19:02, Raúl Cumplido () escribió: >> >> Hi Sara, >> >> El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 18:48, Sarah Gilmore >> () escribió: >> > >> > Hi Kou, >> > >> > > We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release >> > > distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a >> > > release platform: >> > > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms >> > > >> > > apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but >> > > apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql >> > > already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release >> > > upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) >> > >> > Thank you for clarifying that we can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases >> > area for hosting the MLTBX file. We assumed we couldn't use the main >> > repository, but it's great to hear we can! >> > >> > > BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? >> > > https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub >> > > >> > > Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any >> > > GitHub App, set secret variable or something on >> > > apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. >> > >> > We are currently consulting with the development team responsible for the >> > GitHub <-> File Exchange integration. We'll send a followup email with a >> > concrete answer once we know more. >> > >> > > If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the >> > > following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. >> > > >> > > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN >> > > 2. Release: Run a post release script that would: >> > > 2.1 Download MLTBX from GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN >> > > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z >> > > 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated >> > >> > This seems like a much more streamlined approach. Not having to upload to >> > JFrog will make things easier. Thanks for the suggestion! >> > >> > To clarify, in step 1, would we upload the MLTBX to >> > ursacomputing/crossbow's GitHub Releases area [1]? Or, would we upload to >> > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area? If we upload release candidates to >> > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area, they would get automatically linked >> > to the File Exchange. Ideally, we wouldn't want users to download release >> > candidates. >> > >> >> Currently all the binaries are generated on the third step of the >> Release process [1] when we run `03-binary-submit.sh`. The crossbow >> job could build the MLTBX artifact and then when we do download the >> other binaries (`04-binary-download.sh`) we should also download the >> MTLBX and when we submit the rest to jfrog (`05-binary-upload.sh`) we >> could Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN. >> >> Once the release is approved and we do the post-release tasks to >> "officially" release, we would download the MLTBX and upload to the >> new GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z this can be done as another >> step on our post-release tasks (post-xx-matlab.sh) >> >> [1] >> https://arrow.apache.org/docs/developers/release.html#build-source-and-binaries-and-submit-them >> >> > > We can use GitHub Releases as I said. But if we use GitHub >> > > Releases, the release notes on GitHub Releases may include >> > > not only the MATLAB interface but also all >> > > implementations. It may not be useful for this use case. >> > > >> > > FYI: The R bindings have their release notes under >> > > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/ . See >> > > https://arrow.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
GitHub releases do have a prerelease/rc status that can be activated. Maybe that could be used as an indicator to not include theses on the exchange site? Sarah Gilmore schrieb am Fr., 10. Nov. 2023, 21:06: > Hi Raúl, > > > Currently all the binaries are generated on the third step of the > > Release process [1] when we run `03-binary-submit.sh`. The crossbow > > job could build the MLTBX artifact and then when we do download the > > other binaries (`04-binary-download.sh`) we should also download the > > MTLBX and when we submit the rest to jfrog (`05-binary-upload.sh`) we > > could Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN. > > Thanks for clarifying how these scripts work together. This all makes > sense. Our one concern is that the Arrow-MATLAB File Exchange entry would > be automatically updated to show release candidates that have been uploaded > to apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area. We're looking into how to prevent > this from happening. > > Best, > > Sarah Gilmore > > > From: Raúl Cumplido > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 1:11 PM > To: Raúl Cumplido > Cc: Sutou Kouhei ; dev@arrow.apache.org < > dev@arrow.apache.org>; Lei Hou ; Sarah Gilmore < > sgilm...@mathworks.com> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of > the MATLAB interface > > In case it was not clear, even though the binary job is run on > ursacomputing/crossbow when we upload the binaries and create the > Release that should be, at least in my opinion, an apache/arrow > release. > > Both for the steps: > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > and > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z > > El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 19:02, Raúl Cumplido () > escribió: > > > > Hi Sara, > > > > El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 18:48, Sarah Gilmore > > () escribió: > > > > > > Hi Kou, > > > > > > > We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release > > > > distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a > > > > release platform: > > > > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms< > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms> > > > > > > > > apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but > > > > apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql > > > > already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release > > > > upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) > > > > > > Thank you for clarifying that we can use apache/arrow's GitHub > Releases area for hosting the MLTBX file. We assumed we couldn't use the > main repository, but it's great to hear we can! > > > > > > > BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? > > > > > https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub > > > > > > > > Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any > > > > GitHub App, set secret variable or something on > > > > apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. > > > > > > We are currently consulting with the development team responsible for > the GitHub <-> File Exchange integration. We'll send a followup email with > a concrete answer once we know more. > > > > > > > If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the > > > > following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. > > > > > > > > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > > > > 2. Release: Run a post release script that would: > > > > 2.1 Download MLTBX from GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > > > > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z > > > > 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated > > > > > > This seems like a much more streamlined approach. Not having to upload > to JFrog will make things easier. Thanks for the suggestion! > > > > > > To clarify, in step 1, would we upload the MLTBX to > ursacomputing/crossbow's GitHub Releases area [1]? Or, would we upload to > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area? If we upload release candidates to > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area, they would get automatically linked to > the File Exchange. Ideally, we wouldn't want users to download release > candidates. > > > > > > > Currently all the binaries are generated on the third step of the > > Release process [1
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
Hi Raúl, > Currently all the binaries are generated on the third step of the > Release process [1] when we run `03-binary-submit.sh`. The crossbow > job could build the MLTBX artifact and then when we do download the > other binaries (`04-binary-download.sh`) we should also download the > MTLBX and when we submit the rest to jfrog (`05-binary-upload.sh`) we > could Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN. Thanks for clarifying how these scripts work together. This all makes sense. Our one concern is that the Arrow-MATLAB File Exchange entry would be automatically updated to show release candidates that have been uploaded to apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area. We're looking into how to prevent this from happening. Best, Sarah Gilmore From: Raúl Cumplido Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 1:11 PM To: Raúl Cumplido Cc: Sutou Kouhei ; dev@arrow.apache.org ; Lei Hou ; Sarah Gilmore Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface In case it was not clear, even though the binary job is run on ursacomputing/crossbow when we upload the binaries and create the Release that should be, at least in my opinion, an apache/arrow release. Both for the steps: 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN and 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 19:02, Raúl Cumplido () escribió: > > Hi Sara, > > El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 18:48, Sarah Gilmore > () escribió: > > > > Hi Kou, > > > > > We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release > > > distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a > > > release platform: > > > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms<https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms> > > > > > > apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but > > > apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql > > > already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release > > > upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) > > > > Thank you for clarifying that we can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases > > area for hosting the MLTBX file. We assumed we couldn't use the main > > repository, but it's great to hear we can! > > > > > BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? > > > https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub > > > > > > Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any > > > GitHub App, set secret variable or something on > > > apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. > > > > We are currently consulting with the development team responsible for the > > GitHub <-> File Exchange integration. We'll send a followup email with a > > concrete answer once we know more. > > > > > If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the > > > following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. > > > > > > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > > > 2. Release: Run a post release script that would: > > > 2.1 Download MLTBX from GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > > > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z > > > 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated > > > > This seems like a much more streamlined approach. Not having to upload to > > JFrog will make things easier. Thanks for the suggestion! > > > > To clarify, in step 1, would we upload the MLTBX to > > ursacomputing/crossbow's GitHub Releases area [1]? Or, would we upload to > > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area? If we upload release candidates to > > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area, they would get automatically linked to > > the File Exchange. Ideally, we wouldn't want users to download release > > candidates. > > > > Currently all the binaries are generated on the third step of the > Release process [1] when we run `03-binary-submit.sh`. The crossbow > job could build the MLTBX artifact and then when we do download the > other binaries (`04-binary-download.sh`) we should also download the > MTLBX and when we submit the rest to jfrog (`05-binary-upload.sh`) we > could Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN. > > Once the release is approved and we do the post-release tasks to > "officially" release, we would download the MLTBX and upload to the > new GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z this can be done as another > step on our post-release tasks (post-xx-matlab.sh) > &g
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
In case it was not clear, even though the binary job is run on ursacomputing/crossbow when we upload the binaries and create the Release that should be, at least in my opinion, an apache/arrow release. Both for the steps: 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN and 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 19:02, Raúl Cumplido () escribió: > > Hi Sara, > > El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 18:48, Sarah Gilmore > () escribió: > > > > Hi Kou, > > > > > We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release > > > distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a > > > release platform: > > > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms > > > > > > apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but > > > apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql > > > already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release > > > upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) > > > > Thank you for clarifying that we can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases > > area for hosting the MLTBX file. We assumed we couldn't use the main > > repository, but it's great to hear we can! > > > > > BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? > > > https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub > > > > > > Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any > > > GitHub App, set secret variable or something on > > > apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. > > > > We are currently consulting with the development team responsible for the > > GitHub <-> File Exchange integration. We'll send a followup email with a > > concrete answer once we know more. > > > > > If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the > > > following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. > > > > > > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > > > 2. Release: Run a post release script that would: > > > 2.1 Download MLTBX from GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > > > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z > > > 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated > > > > This seems like a much more streamlined approach. Not having to upload to > > JFrog will make things easier. Thanks for the suggestion! > > > > To clarify, in step 1, would we upload the MLTBX to > > ursacomputing/crossbow's GitHub Releases area [1]? Or, would we upload to > > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area? If we upload release candidates to > > apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area, they would get automatically linked to > > the File Exchange. Ideally, we wouldn't want users to download release > > candidates. > > > > Currently all the binaries are generated on the third step of the > Release process [1] when we run `03-binary-submit.sh`. The crossbow > job could build the MLTBX artifact and then when we do download the > other binaries (`04-binary-download.sh`) we should also download the > MTLBX and when we submit the rest to jfrog (`05-binary-upload.sh`) we > could Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN. > > Once the release is approved and we do the post-release tasks to > "officially" release, we would download the MLTBX and upload to the > new GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z this can be done as another > step on our post-release tasks (post-xx-matlab.sh) > > [1] > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/developers/release.html#build-source-and-binaries-and-submit-them > > > > We can use GitHub Releases as I said. But if we use GitHub > > > Releases, the release notes on GitHub Releases may include > > > not only the MATLAB interface but also all > > > implementations. It may not be useful for this use case. > > > > > > FYI: The R bindings have their release notes under > > > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/ . See > > > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/news/ . > > > > We think it would still be useful to link to the GitHub release notes from > > the File Exchange entry even if it includes notes for all language > > bindings. The File Exchange <-> GitHub integration just includes a link to > > the GitHub release notes under the Version History tab. If we find having a > > more focused version of the release notes would be useful, then we can > > create a markdown file analogous to the NEWS.md for the R bindings as you > > suggested (thanks or pointing
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
Hi Sara, El vie, 10 nov 2023 a las 18:48, Sarah Gilmore () escribió: > > Hi Kou, > > > We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release > > distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a > > release platform: > > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms > > > > apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but > > apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql > > already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release > > upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) > > Thank you for clarifying that we can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area > for hosting the MLTBX file. We assumed we couldn't use the main repository, > but it's great to hear we can! > > > BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? > > https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub > > > > Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any > > GitHub App, set secret variable or something on > > apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. > > We are currently consulting with the development team responsible for the > GitHub <-> File Exchange integration. We'll send a followup email with a > concrete answer once we know more. > > > If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the > > following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. > > > > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > > 2. Release: Run a post release script that would: > > 2.1 Download MLTBX from GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z > > 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated > > This seems like a much more streamlined approach. Not having to upload to > JFrog will make things easier. Thanks for the suggestion! > > To clarify, in step 1, would we upload the MLTBX to ursacomputing/crossbow's > GitHub Releases area [1]? Or, would we upload to apache/arrow's GitHub > Releases area? If we upload release candidates to apache/arrow's GitHub > Releases area, they would get automatically linked to the File Exchange. > Ideally, we wouldn't want users to download release candidates. > Currently all the binaries are generated on the third step of the Release process [1] when we run `03-binary-submit.sh`. The crossbow job could build the MLTBX artifact and then when we do download the other binaries (`04-binary-download.sh`) we should also download the MTLBX and when we submit the rest to jfrog (`05-binary-upload.sh`) we could Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN. Once the release is approved and we do the post-release tasks to "officially" release, we would download the MLTBX and upload to the new GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z this can be done as another step on our post-release tasks (post-xx-matlab.sh) [1] https://arrow.apache.org/docs/developers/release.html#build-source-and-binaries-and-submit-them > > We can use GitHub Releases as I said. But if we use GitHub > > Releases, the release notes on GitHub Releases may include > > not only the MATLAB interface but also all > > implementations. It may not be useful for this use case. > > > > FYI: The R bindings have their release notes under > > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/ . See > > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/news/ . > > We think it would still be useful to link to the GitHub release notes from > the File Exchange entry even if it includes notes for all language bindings. > The File Exchange <-> GitHub integration just includes a link to the GitHub > release notes under the Version History tab. If we find having a more focused > version of the release notes would be useful, then we can create a markdown > file analogous to the NEWS.md for the R bindings as you suggested (thanks or > pointing this out). > > [1] https://github.com/ursacomputing/crossbow/releases > > Thanks for all your help! > > Best, > > Sarah Gilmore > > From: Sutou Kouhei > Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 7:50 PM > To: dev@arrow.apache.org > Cc: Sarah Gilmore ; Lei Hou > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the > MATLAB interface > > Hi, > > > One open question about this approach: which GitHub > > repository should we use for hosting the MLTBX via GitHub > > Releases? > > > > We don't think using the main apache/arrow GitHub Releases > > area is the right approach. So, would it make sense to > > create a separate "bridge" repository just for hosting
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
Hi Kou, > We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release > distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a > release platform: > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms > > apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but > apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql > already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release > upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) Thank you for clarifying that we can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area for hosting the MLTBX file. We assumed we couldn't use the main repository, but it's great to hear we can! > BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? > https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub > > Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any > GitHub App, set secret variable or something on > apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. We are currently consulting with the development team responsible for the GitHub <-> File Exchange integration. We'll send a followup email with a concrete answer once we know more. > If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the > following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. > > 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > 2. Release: Run a post release script that would: > 2.1 Download MLTBX from GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN > 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z > 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated This seems like a much more streamlined approach. Not having to upload to JFrog will make things easier. Thanks for the suggestion! To clarify, in step 1, would we upload the MLTBX to ursacomputing/crossbow's GitHub Releases area [1]? Or, would we upload to apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area? If we upload release candidates to apache/arrow's GitHub Releases area, they would get automatically linked to the File Exchange. Ideally, we wouldn't want users to download release candidates. > We can use GitHub Releases as I said. But if we use GitHub > Releases, the release notes on GitHub Releases may include > not only the MATLAB interface but also all > implementations. It may not be useful for this use case. > > FYI: The R bindings have their release notes under > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/ . See > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/news/ . We think it would still be useful to link to the GitHub release notes from the File Exchange entry even if it includes notes for all language bindings. The File Exchange <-> GitHub integration just includes a link to the GitHub release notes under the Version History tab. If we find having a more focused version of the release notes would be useful, then we can create a markdown file analogous to the NEWS.md for the R bindings as you suggested (thanks or pointing this out). [1] https://github.com/ursacomputing/crossbow/releases Thanks for all your help! Best, Sarah Gilmore ________ From: Sutou Kouhei Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 7:50 PM To: dev@arrow.apache.org Cc: Sarah Gilmore ; Lei Hou Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface Hi, > One open question about this approach: which GitHub > repository should we use for hosting the MLTBX via GitHub > Releases? > > We don't think using the main apache/arrow GitHub Releases > area is the right approach. So, would it make sense to > create a separate "bridge" repository just for hosting the > latest MLTBX files? Should this be an ASF associated > repository like apache/arrow-matlab or would a MathWorks > associated repository like mathworks/arrow-matlab be OK? > We aren't sure what makes the most sense here, but welcome > any suggestions. We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a release platform: https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms<https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms> apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any GitHub App, set secret variable or something on apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN 2. Relea
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
Hi, > One open question about this approach: which GitHub > repository should we use for hosting the MLTBX via GitHub > Releases? > > We don't think using the main apache/arrow GitHub Releases > area is the right approach. So, would it make sense to > create a separate "bridge" repository just for hosting the > latest MLTBX files? Should this be an ASF associated > repository like apache/arrow-matlab or would a MathWorks > associated repository like mathworks/arrow-matlab be OK? > We aren't sure what makes the most sense here, but welcome > any suggestions. We can use apache/arrow's GitHub Releases. The release distribution document says that we can use GitHub as a release platform: https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#other-platforms apache/arrow doesn't use GitHub Releases yet but apache/arrow-adbc and apache/arrow-flight-sql-postgresql already use GitHub Releases. (We just use "gh release upload" to upload our artifacts to GitHub Releases.) BTW, how does File Exchange "Connecting to GitHub Repositories"? https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub Does it just use "polling"? Or do we need to install any GitHub App, set secret variable or something on apache/arrow? If the latter, we need to ask INFRA to do it. If we use GitHub Releases on apache/arrow, we can use the following workflow. We don't need to use JFrog. 1. RC: Upload MLTBX to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN 2. Release: Run a post release script that would: 2.1 Download MLTBX from GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z-rcN 2.2 Upload it to GitHub Releases for apache-arrow-X.Y.Z 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated > File Exchange entries have a "Version History" which > includes release notes from the "backing" GitHub Releases > area. So, this would probably be a sensible location to > put the release notes. We can use GitHub Releases as I said. But if we use GitHub Releases, the release notes on GitHub Releases may include not only the MATLAB interface but also all implementations. It may not be useful for this use case. FYI: The R bindings have their release notes under https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/ . See https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/news/ . > Also, including MATLAB updates in > Apache Arrow release blog posts > (e.g. https://arrow.apache.org/blog/2023/11/01/14.0.0-release/) > may also be helpful. Yes. We should do it. :-) Thanks, -- kou In "Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface" on Wed, 8 Nov 2023 20:44:10 +, Kevin Gurney wrote: > Hi Kou and Dewey, > > Thank you very much for your very thorough and detailed responses to all of > our questions. This is extremely valuable feedback and the points that you > made make alot of sense. > > Sarah and I talked this over a bit more and we think that sticking with the > overall apache/arrow project release cycle (i.e. stay in line with 15.0.0) > makes the most sense in the long term. > > @Dewey - thanks very much for highlighting the pros and cons of creating a > separate repository. We also really appreciate the community being willing to > try and support our development needs. That being said, we think it is > probably best to stay in-model with the main apache/arrow release process for > the time being rather than creating a separate repository for the MATLAB > interface. > > To address some related points and questions: > >> Can we just mention "This is not stable yet!!!" in the documentation instead >> of using isolated version? > > Yes. This is good point and we already have a disclaimer in the README.md [1] > for the MATLAB interface which says: "Warning The MATLAB interface is under > active development and should be considered experimental." > >> It's better that we use CI for this like other binary packages such as >> .deb/.rpm/.wheel/.jar/... > > This makes sense and we agree. We will follow up with PRs to add the > necessary MATLAB packaging scripts and CI workflow files. > >> Does the MLTBX file include Apache Arrow C++ binaries too like .wheel/.jar? > > Yes. The MLTBX file will package the Apache Arrow C++ binaries, similar to > the Java JARs / Python wheels. > >> MATLAB doesn't provide the official package repository such as PyPI for >> Python and https://rubygems.org/ for Ruby, right? > > The equivalent to pypi.org or rubygems.org for MATLAB would be the MathWorks > File Exchange [2]. > >> If the official package repository for MATLAB doesn't exist, JFrog is better >> because the MLTBX file will be large (Apache Arrow C++ binaries are large). > > As noted above, the "officia
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
Hi Kou and Dewey, Thank you very much for your very thorough and detailed responses to all of our questions. This is extremely valuable feedback and the points that you made make alot of sense. Sarah and I talked this over a bit more and we think that sticking with the overall apache/arrow project release cycle (i.e. stay in line with 15.0.0) makes the most sense in the long term. @Dewey - thanks very much for highlighting the pros and cons of creating a separate repository. We also really appreciate the community being willing to try and support our development needs. That being said, we think it is probably best to stay in-model with the main apache/arrow release process for the time being rather than creating a separate repository for the MATLAB interface. To address some related points and questions: > Can we just mention "This is not stable yet!!!" in the documentation instead > of using isolated version? Yes. This is good point and we already have a disclaimer in the README.md [1] for the MATLAB interface which says: "Warning The MATLAB interface is under active development and should be considered experimental." > It's better that we use CI for this like other binary packages such as > .deb/.rpm/.wheel/.jar/... This makes sense and we agree. We will follow up with PRs to add the necessary MATLAB packaging scripts and CI workflow files. > Does the MLTBX file include Apache Arrow C++ binaries too like .wheel/.jar? Yes. The MLTBX file will package the Apache Arrow C++ binaries, similar to the Java JARs / Python wheels. > MATLAB doesn't provide the official package repository such as PyPI for > Python and https://rubygems.org/ for Ruby, right? The equivalent to pypi.org or rubygems.org for MATLAB would be the MathWorks File Exchange [2]. > If the official package repository for MATLAB doesn't exist, JFrog is better > because the MLTBX file will be large (Apache Arrow C++ binaries are large). As noted above, the "official package repository" for MATLAB would be the MathWorks File Exchange. File Exchange has tight integration with GitHub [3]. When a new release is available in GitHub Releases, the associated File Exchange entry will be automatically updated. We believe we could leverage this integration between File Exchange and GitHub Releases to automate the MATLAB interface release process. This approach might look like: 1. Upload MLTBX to JFrog Artifactory 2. Run a post release script that would: 2.1 Download MLTBX from JFrog Artifactory 2.2 Upload to GitHub Releases (e.g. apache/arrow-matlab - see discussion below) 2.3 Linked File Exchange entry will be automatically updated One open question about this approach: which GitHub repository should we use for hosting the MLTBX via GitHub Releases? We don't think using the main apache/arrow GitHub Releases area is the right approach. So, would it make sense to create a separate "bridge" repository just for hosting the latest MLTBX files? Should this be an ASF associated repository like apache/arrow-matlab or would a MathWorks associated repository like mathworks/arrow-matlab be OK? We aren't sure what makes the most sense here, but welcome any suggestions. > We may want to use the status page for it: > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/status.html Thanks for highlighting this. This makes sense, and we can follow up with a PR to add MATLAB to the status page. > How about creating https://arrow.apache.org/docs/matlab/ ? We can use Sphinx > like the Python docs https://arrow.apache.org/docs/python/ or another > documentation tools like the R docs https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/ . If we > use Sphinx, we can create > https://github.com/apache/arrow/tree/main/docs/source/matlab/ This makes sense and eventually we want to have comprehensive documentation in line with other language bindings using Sphinx. In addition to comprehensive documentation, we were also hoping that we could host release notes in a place that is easily accessible from the MLTBX download location. File Exchange entries have a "Version History" which includes release notes from the "backing" GitHub Releases area. So, this would probably be a sensible location to put the release notes. Also, including MATLAB updates in Apache Arrow release blog posts (e.g. https://arrow.apache.org/blog/2023/11/01/14.0.0-release/) may also be helpful. -- We really appreciate all of the community's guidance on navigating the release process! We will get started on integrating with the existing release tooling. [1] https://github.com/apache/arrow/tree/main/matlab#status [2] https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange [3] https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/content/fx/about.html#Why_GitHub Best Regards, Kevin Gurney From: Dewey Dunnington Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2023 8:53 PM To: dev@
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
For argument's sake, I might suggest that the process you described in your initial note would probably work best in another repo: you would be able to iterate faster and release/version at your own pace. The flexibility you get from moving to a separate repo comes at the cost of extra responsibility: you have to set up your own CI, manage your own issues, and set up your own release verification scripts + release votes on the mailing list. Because you bind Arrow C++, you would have to take sufficient steps to ensure that the Arrow C++ developers are made aware of changes that break the Matlab bindings and vice versa (i.e., test against dev Arrow C++ in a CI job). Setting up that infrastructure for apache/arrow-nanoarrow took ~a week of development time, and it now takes ~half a day to release a new version (it took more for the first few versions, and the matlab version has considerably higher complexity). Probably the biggest barrier to releasing from another repo is that you have to ensure a critical mass of PMC members can/will run your release verification script and vote. I happen to feel that it's the PMC's/wider community's responsibility to help language binding contributors adopt a workflow that suits their needs. If active Matlab contributors agree that they want to release version 0.1 from another repo, (I feel that) we're here to help you do that. If the active contributors want to stay in apache/arrow, there is less flexibility about what you release and when; however, the release process is well-defined. On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 8:43 PM Sutou Kouhei wrote: > > Hi, > > > As a point of reference, we noticed that PyArrow is on > > version 14.0.0, but it feels "misleading" to say that the > > MATLAB interface is at version 14.0.0 when we haven't yet > > implemented or stabilized all core Arrow APIs. > > I can understand this but I suggest that we use the same > version as other packages in apache/arrow. Because: > > * Using isolated version increases release complexity. > * Using isolated version may introduce another > "misleading"/"confusion": For example, "the MATLAB > interface 1.0.0 uses Apache Arrow C++ 20.0.0" may be > misleading/confused: > * The MATLAB interface 1.0.0 doesn't use Apache Arrow C++ > 1.0.0. > * It may be difficult to find the corresponding > Apache Arrow C++ version from the MATLAB interface > version. > > Can we just mention "This is not stable yet!!!" in the > documentation instead of using isolated version? > > We may want to use the status page for it: > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/status.html > > > 1. Manually build the MATLAB interface on Windows, macOS, and Linux > > It's better that we use CI for this like other binary > packages such as .deb/.rpm/.wheel/.jar/... > > If we release the MATLAB interface separately, which Apache > Arrow C++ version is used? If we release the MATALB > interface right now, is Apache Arrow C++ 14.0.0 (the latest > release) used or is Apache Arrow C++ main (not released yet) > used? The MATLAB interface on main will depend on Apache > Arrow C++ main, we may not be able to use the latest release > for the MATLAB interface on main. > > > 2. Combine all of the cross platform build artifacts into > >a single MLTBX file [1] for distribution > > Does the MLTBX file include Apache Arrow C++ binaries too > like .wheel/.jar? > > > 3. Host the MLTBX somewhere that is easliy accessible for download > > MATLAB doesn't provide the official package repository such > as PyPI for Python and https://rubygems.org/ for Ruby, right? > > > 1. Is there a recommended location where we can host the MLTBX file? e.g. > > GitHub Releases [2], JFrog [3], etc.? > > If the official package repository for MATLAB doesn't exist, > JFrog is better because the MLTBX file will be large (Apache > Arrow C++ binaries are large). > > > 2. Is there a recommended location for hosting release notes? > > How about creating https://arrow.apache.org/docs/matlab/ ? > We can use Sphinx like the Python docs > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/python/ or another > documentation tools like the R docs > https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/ . > If we use Sphinx, we can create > https://github.com/apache/arrow/tree/main/docs/source/matlab/ > . > > > 3. Is there a recommended cadence for incremental point releases? > > I suggest avoiding separated release as above. > > > 4. Are there any notable ASF procedures [4] [5] (e.g. voting on a new > > release proposal) that we should be aware of as we consider creating an > > initial release? > > We don't need additional task for an initial release. > > > 5. How should the Arrow project release (i.e. 14.0.0) > >relate to the MATLAB interface version (i.e. 0.1)? As a > >point of reference, we noticed that PyArrow is on > >version 14.0.0, but it feels "misleading" to say that > >the MATLAB interface is at version 14.0.0 when we > >haven't yet implemented or stabilized all core Arrow > >APIs. Is there
Re: [DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface
Hi, > As a point of reference, we noticed that PyArrow is on > version 14.0.0, but it feels "misleading" to say that the > MATLAB interface is at version 14.0.0 when we haven't yet > implemented or stabilized all core Arrow APIs. I can understand this but I suggest that we use the same version as other packages in apache/arrow. Because: * Using isolated version increases release complexity. * Using isolated version may introduce another "misleading"/"confusion": For example, "the MATLAB interface 1.0.0 uses Apache Arrow C++ 20.0.0" may be misleading/confused: * The MATLAB interface 1.0.0 doesn't use Apache Arrow C++ 1.0.0. * It may be difficult to find the corresponding Apache Arrow C++ version from the MATLAB interface version. Can we just mention "This is not stable yet!!!" in the documentation instead of using isolated version? We may want to use the status page for it: https://arrow.apache.org/docs/status.html > 1. Manually build the MATLAB interface on Windows, macOS, and Linux It's better that we use CI for this like other binary packages such as .deb/.rpm/.wheel/.jar/... If we release the MATLAB interface separately, which Apache Arrow C++ version is used? If we release the MATALB interface right now, is Apache Arrow C++ 14.0.0 (the latest release) used or is Apache Arrow C++ main (not released yet) used? The MATLAB interface on main will depend on Apache Arrow C++ main, we may not be able to use the latest release for the MATLAB interface on main. > 2. Combine all of the cross platform build artifacts into >a single MLTBX file [1] for distribution Does the MLTBX file include Apache Arrow C++ binaries too like .wheel/.jar? > 3. Host the MLTBX somewhere that is easliy accessible for download MATLAB doesn't provide the official package repository such as PyPI for Python and https://rubygems.org/ for Ruby, right? > 1. Is there a recommended location where we can host the MLTBX file? e.g. > GitHub Releases [2], JFrog [3], etc.? If the official package repository for MATLAB doesn't exist, JFrog is better because the MLTBX file will be large (Apache Arrow C++ binaries are large). > 2. Is there a recommended location for hosting release notes? How about creating https://arrow.apache.org/docs/matlab/ ? We can use Sphinx like the Python docs https://arrow.apache.org/docs/python/ or another documentation tools like the R docs https://arrow.apache.org/docs/r/ . If we use Sphinx, we can create https://github.com/apache/arrow/tree/main/docs/source/matlab/ . > 3. Is there a recommended cadence for incremental point releases? I suggest avoiding separated release as above. > 4. Are there any notable ASF procedures [4] [5] (e.g. voting on a new release > proposal) that we should be aware of as we consider creating an initial > release? We don't need additional task for an initial release. > 5. How should the Arrow project release (i.e. 14.0.0) >relate to the MATLAB interface version (i.e. 0.1)? As a >point of reference, we noticed that PyArrow is on >version 14.0.0, but it feels "misleading" to say that >the MATLAB interface is at version 14.0.0 when we >haven't yet implemented or stabilized all core Arrow >APIs. Is there any precedent for using independent >release versions for language bindings which are not >fully stabilized and are also part of the main >apache/arrow repository? We don't have any precedent for using independent release versions for language bindings. All language bindings used the same version. Apache Arrow JavaScript isn't a language bindings but it used separated release and isolated versions before 0.4.1. It joined apache/arrow release after 0.4.1. (The next version of Apache Arrow JavaScript 0.4.1 is 13.0.0.) > We've noticed that Arrow-related projects which are not > part of the main apache/arrow GitHub repository > (e.g. DataFusion) follow a mailing list-based voting and > release process. However, it's not clear whether it makes > sense to follow this process for the MATLAB interface > since it is part of the main apache/arrow repository. If we want to use separated release for the MATLAB interface, we should follow the same release process as apache/arrow and other apache/arrow-* because it's the standard ASF release process. Thanks, -- kou In "[DISCUSS][MATLAB] Proposal for incremental point releases of the MATLAB interface" on Tue, 7 Nov 2023 20:31:31 +, Kevin Gurney wrote: > Hi All, > > A considerable amount of new functionality has been added to the MATLAB > interface over the last few months. We appreciate all the community's support > in making this possible and are happy to see all the progress that is being > made. > > At this point, we would like to create an initial "0.1" release of the MATLAB > interface. Incremental point releases will enable MATLAB users to provide > early feedback. In addition, learning how to navigate the release process is > an important
