Re: CS Collab Conf Brazil page is down

[Gabriel Beims Bräscher]

Hi Mike, that is great that you are interested in the CloudStack Collab
Conf in Brazil.

Unfortunately, I don't know how long it takes to get a Brazilian VISA.

I agree that August-September of 2017 might be too close. I think that 2018
is safer, so we all can organize and make sure that most can attend. We
think that March-April or August-September are interesting periods, but we
are open for dates that suit better with the community schedule.

Thanks for the feedback!

2017-07-04 1:54 GMT-03:00 Tutkowski, Mike :

> Hi Gabriel,
>
> I, for one, would be quite interested in a CloudStack Collab Conf in
> Brazil.
>
> I like your idea of a three-day conference going from a Tuesday through a
> Thursday.
>
> I know many of us would require a VISA to enter Brazil (as well as a
> passport, of course). I’m not sure how long getting a VISA typically takes,
> so having the conference in August/September might be too soon at this
> point. Correct me if I’m wrong – perhaps it doesn’t take long to get a
> VISA. If it is a time-consuming process, perhaps we should instead consider
> your March/April timeframe?
>
> Thanks for all the info on this!
> Mike
>
> On 7/3/17, 9:15 PM, "Gabriel Beims Bräscher"  wrote:
>
> Hello all (users, dev and marketing lists),
>
>
> After exercising the idea and studying some alternatives we (me,
> Rafael and
> Lucas) have something in mind to make the Apache CloudStack Collab
> Conference possible in South America. However, before going forward
> arranging an infrastructure to host the event, and investing our time
> and
> resources, we need the feedback of the community to see if there is
> enough
> interest in such event.
>
>
> Sorry for the big e-mail. I hope that at least this proposal is clear
> and
> that you all embrace the discussion.
>
>
>
> What we are willing to do to help the event:
>
> (i) Hosting the conference. We can make an effort to use public
> infrastructure from the Federal University of Santa Catarina [1] as
> Rafael
> previously said. However, to do so, this event CANNOT have any
> commercial
> appeal; otherwise, it is not allowed to use infrastructure and
> resources
> from the Federal University of Santa Catarina (Universidade Federal de
> Santa Catarina – UFSC);
>
> (ii) promote the conference for the local public (researchers,
> students, IT
> professionals);
>
> (iii) propose topics and sessions aligned with South America/Brazil
> context;
>
> (iv) we can suggest restaurants, hotels, and provide general
> information
> regarding the city and country;
>
>
> Why host in the Federal University of Santa Catarina?
>
> (i) We want to evangelize CloudStack to new generations and we see
> this as
> an opportunity to show the Apache way to students, professors, and
> academic
> researchers;
>
> (ii) additionally, we do not have money to host such event. Using this
> infrastructure would cut a great amount of costs and make this
> conference
> possible in South America;
>
> (iii) It is one of the best universities in South America, reaching
> position number 9 among Brazilian universities and position number 25
> in
> the overall ranking of the QS University Rankings: Latin America 2016;
>
> (iv) Florianópolis economy is based on tourism and tech companies.
> This,
> aligned with its high quality of life, attracted skilled professionals
> that
> were interested in running out from the chaos of big cities such as São
> Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre, and Belo Horizonte;
>
> (v) Florianópolis is a great city and normally outsiders that go there
> tend
> to love the experience. There are attractions for all kind of
> tourists. You
> can have more information in [2], [3], and [4]. In [5] there are some
> pictures from Florianópolis; here you can also discover a little bit
> about
> our beloved state [6].
>
>
>
> Our goals with this event:
>
> (i) I know that Brazil has embraced CloudStack as a reliable cloud
> orchestrator. Some examples are the USP (University of São Paulo) that
> has
> the biggest cloud infrastructure from a public entity in South America,
> UNICAMP (University of Campinas), and Globo.com. However, CloudStack
> is not
> yet as spread in South America/Brazil as it is in Europe, Japan, and
> North
> America. Our first goal with this event is to evangelize CloudStack in
> South America, showing the potential of the project and community for
> young
> students, researchers, and professionals/companies interested in
> deploying
> cloud infrastructures;
>
> (ii) unite the South American community, planning and discussing ways
> to
> evolve the project in our countries;
>
> (iii) host an event that enriches the CloudStack community, providing
> opportunities for students (explaining what is cloud, 

Re: CS Collab Conf Brazil page is down

[Tutkowski, Mike]

Hi Gabriel,

I, for one, would be quite interested in a CloudStack Collab Conf in Brazil.

I like your idea of a three-day conference going from a Tuesday through a 
Thursday.

I know many of us would require a VISA to enter Brazil (as well as a passport, 
of course). I’m not sure how long getting a VISA typically takes, so having the 
conference in August/September might be too soon at this point. Correct me if 
I’m wrong – perhaps it doesn’t take long to get a VISA. If it is a 
time-consuming process, perhaps we should instead consider your March/April 
timeframe?

Thanks for all the info on this!
Mike

On 7/3/17, 9:15 PM, "Gabriel Beims Bräscher"  wrote:

Hello all (users, dev and marketing lists),


After exercising the idea and studying some alternatives we (me, Rafael and
Lucas) have something in mind to make the Apache CloudStack Collab
Conference possible in South America. However, before going forward
arranging an infrastructure to host the event, and investing our time and
resources, we need the feedback of the community to see if there is enough
interest in such event.


Sorry for the big e-mail. I hope that at least this proposal is clear and
that you all embrace the discussion.



What we are willing to do to help the event:

(i) Hosting the conference. We can make an effort to use public
infrastructure from the Federal University of Santa Catarina [1] as Rafael
previously said. However, to do so, this event CANNOT have any commercial
appeal; otherwise, it is not allowed to use infrastructure and resources
from the Federal University of Santa Catarina (Universidade Federal de
Santa Catarina – UFSC);

(ii) promote the conference for the local public (researchers, students, IT
professionals);

(iii) propose topics and sessions aligned with South America/Brazil context;

(iv) we can suggest restaurants, hotels, and provide general information
regarding the city and country;


Why host in the Federal University of Santa Catarina?

(i) We want to evangelize CloudStack to new generations and we see this as
an opportunity to show the Apache way to students, professors, and academic
researchers;

(ii) additionally, we do not have money to host such event. Using this
infrastructure would cut a great amount of costs and make this conference
possible in South America;

(iii) It is one of the best universities in South America, reaching
position number 9 among Brazilian universities and position number 25 in
the overall ranking of the QS University Rankings: Latin America 2016;

(iv) Florianópolis economy is based on tourism and tech companies. This,
aligned with its high quality of life, attracted skilled professionals that
were interested in running out from the chaos of big cities such as São
Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre, and Belo Horizonte;

(v) Florianópolis is a great city and normally outsiders that go there tend
to love the experience. There are attractions for all kind of tourists. You
can have more information in [2], [3], and [4]. In [5] there are some
pictures from Florianópolis; here you can also discover a little bit about
our beloved state [6].



Our goals with this event:

(i) I know that Brazil has embraced CloudStack as a reliable cloud
orchestrator. Some examples are the USP (University of São Paulo) that has
the biggest cloud infrastructure from a public entity in South America,
UNICAMP (University of Campinas), and Globo.com. However, CloudStack is not
yet as spread in South America/Brazil as it is in Europe, Japan, and North
America. Our first goal with this event is to evangelize CloudStack in
South America, showing the potential of the project and community for young
students, researchers, and professionals/companies interested in deploying
cloud infrastructures;

(ii) unite the South American community, planning and discussing ways to
evolve the project in our countries;

(iii) host an event that enriches the CloudStack community, providing
opportunities for students (explaining what is cloud, the Apache way, the
Apache CloudStack project, and the job opportunities that this area has to
offer), academic researchers (pointing open researching topics in
cloud/CloudStack to bring researchers interested in developing the
CloudStack project), IT professionals (people that want to understand what
CloudStack has to offer to their companies and the job opportunities that
CloudStack can bring), CloudStack users (where they can interact with
developers, aligning all interests), and CloudStack developers that can
discuss advanced topics and enjoy hackathons;

(iv) make this event open and provide the best conditions 

Re: CS Collab Conf Brazil page is down

[Gabriel Beims Bräscher]

Hello all (users, dev and marketing lists),


After exercising the idea and studying some alternatives we (me, Rafael and
Lucas) have something in mind to make the Apache CloudStack Collab
Conference possible in South America. However, before going forward
arranging an infrastructure to host the event, and investing our time and
resources, we need the feedback of the community to see if there is enough
interest in such event.


Sorry for the big e-mail. I hope that at least this proposal is clear and
that you all embrace the discussion.



What we are willing to do to help the event:

(i) Hosting the conference. We can make an effort to use public
infrastructure from the Federal University of Santa Catarina [1] as Rafael
previously said. However, to do so, this event CANNOT have any commercial
appeal; otherwise, it is not allowed to use infrastructure and resources
from the Federal University of Santa Catarina (Universidade Federal de
Santa Catarina – UFSC);

(ii) promote the conference for the local public (researchers, students, IT
professionals);

(iii) propose topics and sessions aligned with South America/Brazil context;

(iv) we can suggest restaurants, hotels, and provide general information
regarding the city and country;


Why host in the Federal University of Santa Catarina?

(i) We want to evangelize CloudStack to new generations and we see this as
an opportunity to show the Apache way to students, professors, and academic
researchers;

(ii) additionally, we do not have money to host such event. Using this
infrastructure would cut a great amount of costs and make this conference
possible in South America;

(iii) It is one of the best universities in South America, reaching
position number 9 among Brazilian universities and position number 25 in
the overall ranking of the QS University Rankings: Latin America 2016;

(iv) Florianópolis economy is based on tourism and tech companies. This,
aligned with its high quality of life, attracted skilled professionals that
were interested in running out from the chaos of big cities such as São
Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre, and Belo Horizonte;

(v) Florianópolis is a great city and normally outsiders that go there tend
to love the experience. There are attractions for all kind of tourists. You
can have more information in [2], [3], and [4]. In [5] there are some
pictures from Florianópolis; here you can also discover a little bit about
our beloved state [6].



Our goals with this event:

(i) I know that Brazil has embraced CloudStack as a reliable cloud
orchestrator. Some examples are the USP (University of São Paulo) that has
the biggest cloud infrastructure from a public entity in South America,
UNICAMP (University of Campinas), and Globo.com. However, CloudStack is not
yet as spread in South America/Brazil as it is in Europe, Japan, and North
America. Our first goal with this event is to evangelize CloudStack in
South America, showing the potential of the project and community for young
students, researchers, and professionals/companies interested in deploying
cloud infrastructures;

(ii) unite the South American community, planning and discussing ways to
evolve the project in our countries;

(iii) host an event that enriches the CloudStack community, providing
opportunities for students (explaining what is cloud, the Apache way, the
Apache CloudStack project, and the job opportunities that this area has to
offer), academic researchers (pointing open researching topics in
cloud/CloudStack to bring researchers interested in developing the
CloudStack project), IT professionals (people that want to understand what
CloudStack has to offer to their companies and the job opportunities that
CloudStack can bring), CloudStack users (where they can interact with
developers, aligning all interests), and CloudStack developers that can
discuss advanced topics and enjoy hackathons;

(iv) make this event open and provide the best conditions for the public in
general. We plan to make it free (or charge symbolic price); we know that
most of us have a limited budget for trip and hotel, so we plan to make the
conference ticket free or with a symbolic price, just to avoid people
getting tickets because it is free but at the end don’t attend ;)



When?

As Rafael said, there are two periods when it is a good moment to do such
an event there; around August-September (for this year, it might be too
close), or March-April. These periods correspond to the beginning of the
semesters there, so we have the benefit that students will not be working
like crazy. However, you may have another period in mind.

As a suggestion. If one intends to spend vacations in Brazil, this is a
great place to do it, and choosing the dates carefully may help those with
adventurous spirit ;)



How many days would the conference have?

One idea would be a conference of 3 days tops. People can use the weekend
to travel; arrive on Monday to rest and adapt with the timezone; the
conference then 

Re: [DISCUSS] - Releases, Project Management & Funding Thereof

[Will Stevens]

I have added Syed to this.  He has done some initial review to get a port
to KVM working, but I am not sure how far he got yet.

*Will Stevens*
CTO



On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Paul Angus  wrote:

> I will take an action to look at trillian on KVM.  There's nothing
> explicit or implicit in trillian itself that it requires vmware as long as
> we can trunk the guest VLANs and virtualise the hypervisors.
>
> 
> From: Will Stevens 
> Sent: 3 Jul 2017 2:06 am
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] - Releases, Project Management & Funding Thereof
>
> Sorry, I have been keeping up with these threads while on vacation at a
> campsite.  :)  Finally back to a computer.
>
> Yes, ideally we would have more people actually committing code and
> validating the PRs are ready for merge.  Right now, we have VERY limited CI
> setups, so we are bottlenecked on the ability to actually test the PRs in a
> timely fashion.  This leads to PRs sitting for a week at a time in some
> 'phase' of the process.  This means that the developers get pushed off to
> other items to pay the bills and it then causes a lag everywhere.  Because
> of this, the RM has basically had to fill the role of making sure
> everything is moving and understanding and unblocking the different PRs as
> they move through the review/test/commit phases.
>
> Yes, we need more reviewers.  That is very true.
>
> Also true, is that we need more CI environments.  I would love to see
> Trillian be able to be run on KVM on a developers laptop to at least test
> the core components.  We could then start to standardize the dev/test cycle
> for developers so we can start focusing on a 'minimum support feature
> set'.  We could also hopefully leverage the developers setups to run CI
> overnight if they choose to participate (or at least their own PRs).  If we
> could standardize well enough to push the workload to the edge, I think we
> would end up with more active rigs in the game.
>
> I personally feel that if we can put the CI on rails and standardize our
> dev environment, a lot of our 'we need an full time RM' problems go away.
> However, I do think we will need a full time RM for at least a year to be
> able to shepherd that into existence though.
>
> *Will Stevens*
> CTO
>
> 
>
>
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Syed Ahmed  wrote:
>
> > Agree with Ron about this being a role of the commiter but in what I have
> > seen, it is mostly the RM who has to run around and ask for updates/make
> > sure fixes are done.
> >
> > Part of the problem also is that there is a lack of reviewers. We've had
> > some issues recently [1] which were code which was committed was not
> > properly reviewed and later lead to problems. Having a RM and some core
> > reviewers is essential to maintain quality and sanity of the release.
> >
> > I also agree with testing on a known setup with known parameters. The
> > community can pool resources for hardware and Trillian can be used as the
> > CI framework. There was supposedly hadware donated by Citrix to the ASF.
> > Anyone know what happened to that?
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/1834
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Ron Wheeler  > com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think you are describing the roles of all of the committers
> > >
> > > Is it normal at Apache for the RM to be doing all of this stuff?
> > >
> > > I would expect that the RM has a QC role in these activities but others
> > > are doing the work.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01/07/2017 7:18 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
> > >
> > >> Oh, and if a system VM is touched, then you have to add in a new
> system
> > VM
> > >> build and install into the CI setup prior to testing...
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 1, 2017 6:41 PM, wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Which is part of the reason the RM job is hard and time consuming.
> > >> - checking the PRs have the appropriate tests.
> > >> - updating the CI to include the new tests.
> > >> - run and report CI for the PR (with very limited CI infra community
> > >> wide).
> > >> - chase PR authors to get their PRs to a point where you are happy
> they
> > >> are
> > >> not breaking master
> > >> - rinse repeat for 200+ PRs...
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 1, 2017 6:34 PM, "Will Stevens" 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Yes, we can totally reject PRs until we are happy with the associated
> > >> tests.
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 1, 2017 5:48 PM, "Alex Hitchins" 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Out of interest, are there any guidelines/rules in place to reject
> PR's
> > >>> without unit tests?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Alexander Hitchins
> > >>> 
> > >>> E: 

Re: [DISCUSS] - Releases, Project Management & Funding Thereof

[Paul Angus]

I will take an action to look at trillian on KVM.  There's nothing explicit or 
implicit in trillian itself that it requires vmware as long as we can trunk the 
guest VLANs and virtualise the hypervisors.


From: Will Stevens 
Sent: 3 Jul 2017 2:06 am
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] - Releases, Project Management & Funding Thereof

Sorry, I have been keeping up with these threads while on vacation at a
campsite.  :)  Finally back to a computer.

Yes, ideally we would have more people actually committing code and
validating the PRs are ready for merge.  Right now, we have VERY limited CI
setups, so we are bottlenecked on the ability to actually test the PRs in a
timely fashion.  This leads to PRs sitting for a week at a time in some
'phase' of the process.  This means that the developers get pushed off to
other items to pay the bills and it then causes a lag everywhere.  Because
of this, the RM has basically had to fill the role of making sure
everything is moving and understanding and unblocking the different PRs as
they move through the review/test/commit phases.

Yes, we need more reviewers.  That is very true.

Also true, is that we need more CI environments.  I would love to see
Trillian be able to be run on KVM on a developers laptop to at least test
the core components.  We could then start to standardize the dev/test cycle
for developers so we can start focusing on a 'minimum support feature
set'.  We could also hopefully leverage the developers setups to run CI
overnight if they choose to participate (or at least their own PRs).  If we
could standardize well enough to push the workload to the edge, I think we
would end up with more active rigs in the game.

I personally feel that if we can put the CI on rails and standardize our
dev environment, a lot of our 'we need an full time RM' problems go away.
However, I do think we will need a full time RM for at least a year to be
able to shepherd that into existence though.

*Will Stevens*
CTO




paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Syed Ahmed  wrote:

> Agree with Ron about this being a role of the commiter but in what I have
> seen, it is mostly the RM who has to run around and ask for updates/make
> sure fixes are done.
>
> Part of the problem also is that there is a lack of reviewers. We've had
> some issues recently [1] which were code which was committed was not
> properly reviewed and later lead to problems. Having a RM and some core
> reviewers is essential to maintain quality and sanity of the release.
>
> I also agree with testing on a known setup with known parameters. The
> community can pool resources for hardware and Trillian can be used as the
> CI framework. There was supposedly hadware donated by Citrix to the ASF.
> Anyone know what happened to that?
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/1834
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Ron Wheeler  com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think you are describing the roles of all of the committers
> >
> > Is it normal at Apache for the RM to be doing all of this stuff?
> >
> > I would expect that the RM has a QC role in these activities but others
> > are doing the work.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > On 01/07/2017 7:18 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
> >
> >> Oh, and if a system VM is touched, then you have to add in a new system
> VM
> >> build and install into the CI setup prior to testing...
> >>
> >> On Jul 1, 2017 6:41 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >> Which is part of the reason the RM job is hard and time consuming.
> >> - checking the PRs have the appropriate tests.
> >> - updating the CI to include the new tests.
> >> - run and report CI for the PR (with very limited CI infra community
> >> wide).
> >> - chase PR authors to get their PRs to a point where you are happy they
> >> are
> >> not breaking master
> >> - rinse repeat for 200+ PRs...
> >>
> >> On Jul 1, 2017 6:34 PM, "Will Stevens" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, we can totally reject PRs until we are happy with the associated
> >> tests.
> >>
> >> On Jul 1, 2017 5:48 PM, "Alex Hitchins"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Out of interest, are there any guidelines/rules in place to reject PR's
> >>> without unit tests?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Alexander Hitchins
> >>> 
> >>> E: a...@alexhitchins.com
> >>> W: alexhitchins.com
> >>> M: 07788 423 969
> >>> T: 01892 523 587
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com]
> >>> Sent: 30 June 2017 21:58
> >>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> >>> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] - Releases, Project Management & Funding Thereof
> >>>
> >>> Taken from a talk on CloudStack testing [1]...
> >>>
> >>> There are Many, many, MANY permutations of a CloudStack deployment….
> >>> • 

Silent failure of deploydb on developer machine

[Daan Hoogland]

Has anybody outthere seen a
mvn – P developer –pl developer –Ddeploydb
report success without executing any sql commands?
No create schema is not even executed.

daan.hoogl...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

RE: http://cloudstack.apache.org/

[Paul Angus]

Thank you.. 




Kind regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 


-Original Message-
From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org] 
Sent: 03 July 2017 13:04
To: Paul Angus ; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: in...@apache.org
Subject: Re: http://cloudstack.apache.org/

On 07/03/2017 01:54 PM, Paul Angus wrote:
> Does someone need to put 10p in the electricity meter? 
> http://cloudstack.apache.org/

Someone does indeed.
Your repositories were moved...no one told gitwcsub about that :\ I've pushed 
an emergency fix, should get applied very soon.

> 
>  
> 
> *Not Found*
> 
> The requested URL / was not found on this server.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Paul Angus
> 
>  
> 
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> @shapeblue
>   
> 
>   
> 

Re: http://cloudstack.apache.org/

[Daniel Gruno]

On 07/03/2017 01:54 PM, Paul Angus wrote:
> Does someone need to put 10p in the electricity meter? 
> http://cloudstack.apache.org/

Someone does indeed.
Your repositories were moved...no one told gitwcsub about that :\
I've pushed an emergency fix, should get applied very soon.

> 
>  
> 
> *Not Found*
> 
> The requested URL / was not found on this server.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Paul Angus
> 
>  
> 
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
> www.shapeblue.com
> @shapeblue
>   
> 
>   
> 

http://cloudstack.apache.org/

[Paul Angus]

Does someone need to put 10p in the electricity meter?  
http://cloudstack.apache.org/

Not Found
The requested URL / was not found on this server.



Kind regards,

Paul Angus


paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue