Re: CloudStack Quality Process meeting 14 jan 2014
Hi Daan, Do we access to some kind of hardware to setup the CI ? Regards, -abhi On 15-Jan-2015, at 3:25 am, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: H, A little report on this afternoons meeting: We mainly spoke on the minimal functionality that should not be touched by new commits. A list was made at [1]. Next we agreed to finalize this list next week by working through maven projects (and possibly documetation chapters) and to start grinding down on the gate specification and ipossibly implementation.[2]. It was a small committee. Hopefully this is indicative of people doing real work and not of the spin this initiative has ;) [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/CloudStack+basic+functionalities [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Gate+requirements -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: CloudStack Quality Process meeting 14 jan 2014
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Abhinandan Prateek abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com wrote: Hi Daan, Do we access to some kind of hardware to setup the CI ? good point, maybe David can shed some light here. Citrix has donated a rack to apache (and of course vedors should provide extra jenkins slaves for their tests). -- Daan
Re: CloudStack Quality Process meeting 14 jan 2014
The reason I asked was we can start putting the system together, maybe start with just the simulator runs and then add additional Hypervisors. AFAIK the the BVTs for simulator is a good starting point. This will also help us in knowing the gaps between what tests we have now and what we desire as per the basic cloudstack functionality that we are putting together in our meetings. On 16-Jan-2015, at 4:56 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Abhinandan Prateek abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com wrote: Hi Daan, Do we access to some kind of hardware to setup the CI ? good point, maybe David can shed some light here. Citrix has donated a rack to apache (and of course vedors should provide extra jenkins slaves for their tests). -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: CloudStack Quality Process meeting 14 jan 2014
Compile a list of wanted resources and post them, that way providers could raise their hands if they have anything to donate. -- Erik On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Abhinandan Prateek abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com wrote: The reason I asked was we can start putting the system together, maybe start with just the simulator runs and then add additional Hypervisors. AFAIK the the BVTs for simulator is a good starting point. This will also help us in knowing the gaps between what tests we have now and what we desire as per the basic cloudstack functionality that we are putting together in our meetings. On 16-Jan-2015, at 4:56 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Abhinandan Prateek abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com wrote: Hi Daan, Do we access to some kind of hardware to setup the CI ? good point, maybe David can shed some light here. Citrix has donated a rack to apache (and of course vedors should provide extra jenkins slaves for their tests). -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Build http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineering http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Support http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: CloudStack Quality Process meeting 14 jan 2014
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 6:26 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Abhinandan Prateek abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com wrote: Hi Daan, Do we access to some kind of hardware to setup the CI ? good point, maybe David can shed some light here. Citrix has donated a rack to apache (and of course vedors should provide extra jenkins slaves for their tests). The colo has agreed to a receive date of 26 January. I suspect it will take them a week or more to rack it. --David
Re: CloudStack Quality Process meeting 14 jan 2014
Recording of the meeting is here: https://citrix.sharefile.com/d/s0b016d158bb41c3b --David On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: H, A little report on this afternoons meeting: We mainly spoke on the minimal functionality that should not be touched by new commits. A list was made at [1]. Next we agreed to finalize this list next week by working through maven projects (and possibly documetation chapters) and to start grinding down on the gate specification and ipossibly implementation.[2]. It was a small committee. Hopefully this is indicative of people doing real work and not of the spin this initiative has ;) [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/CloudStack+basic+functionalities [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Gate+requirements -- Daan
CloudStack Quality Process meeting 14 jan 2014
H, A little report on this afternoons meeting: We mainly spoke on the minimal functionality that should not be touched by new commits. A list was made at [1]. Next we agreed to finalize this list next week by working through maven projects (and possibly documetation chapters) and to start grinding down on the gate specification and ipossibly implementation.[2]. It was a small committee. Hopefully this is indicative of people doing real work and not of the spin this initiative has ;) [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/CloudStack+basic+functionalities [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Gate+requirements -- Daan
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Stephen, I already considdered myself out, and the Californians are asleep at the moment. I'm alright with early start but cannot host a GTM. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: As we're in the middle of discussing a proposal from Daan, my feeling is that we should have it at 16:00 GMT so that he can attend and I'll sit out this week. (Most weeks I can manage 16:00 or 17:00, but once a month I can't do 16:00). -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 12:50 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process It's either 16:00 or 17:00 tomorrow (Wed). Anyone else got a preference? -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Rohit Yadav [mailto:rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 10:25 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can anyone confirm the final time/date? Thanks. On 13-Jan-2015, at 2:50 pm, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
Well, I sent it yesterday so the Californians would have been awake and may now be expecting a meeting at 8 AM their time. Let's do it at 16:00 GMT. Hopefully David will be able to start the GTM he's already sent out: he indicated that he could do the earlier time if he knew the day before. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 January 2015 08:19 To: dev Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Stephen, I already considdered myself out, and the Californians are asleep at the moment. I'm alright with early start but cannot host a GTM. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: As we're in the middle of discussing a proposal from Daan, my feeling is that we should have it at 16:00 GMT so that he can attend and I'll sit out this week. (Most weeks I can manage 16:00 or 17:00, but once a month I can't do 16:00). -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 12:50 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process It's either 16:00 or 17:00 tomorrow (Wed). Anyone else got a preference? -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Rohit Yadav [mailto:rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 10:25 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can anyone confirm the final time/date? Thanks. On 13-Jan-2015, at 2:50 pm, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
so that's an appointment, everybody! ;) On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: Well, I sent it yesterday so the Californians would have been awake and may now be expecting a meeting at 8 AM their time. Let's do it at 16:00 GMT. Hopefully David will be able to start the GTM he's already sent out: he indicated that he could do the earlier time if he knew the day before. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 January 2015 08:19 To: dev Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Stephen, I already considdered myself out, and the Californians are asleep at the moment. I'm alright with early start but cannot host a GTM. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: As we're in the middle of discussing a proposal from Daan, my feeling is that we should have it at 16:00 GMT so that he can attend and I'll sit out this week. (Most weeks I can manage 16:00 or 17:00, but once a month I can't do 16:00). -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 12:50 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process It's either 16:00 or 17:00 tomorrow (Wed). Anyone else got a preference? -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Rohit Yadav [mailto:rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 10:25 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can anyone confirm the final time/date? Thanks. On 13-Jan-2015, at 2:50 pm, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Hi, I'm back, what ever time on my case should we doodle it? Thanks, On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: It's either 16:00 or 17:00 tomorrow (Wed). Anyone else got a preference? -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Rohit Yadav [mailto:rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 10:25 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can anyone confirm the final time/date? Thanks. On 13-Jan-2015, at 2:50 pm, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Build http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineering http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Support http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Can anyone confirm the final time/date? Thanks. On 13-Jan-2015, at 2:50 pm, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
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I was trying to put it off with a joke. It was not dominated by anyone, except maybe yours truly. I hope we will keep it up and get this to some results, soon. Sorry I can't make it this time. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. -- Daan
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It's either 16:00 or 17:00 tomorrow (Wed). Anyone else got a preference? -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Rohit Yadav [mailto:rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 10:25 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can anyone confirm the final time/date? Thanks. On 13-Jan-2015, at 2:50 pm, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda
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As we're in the middle of discussing a proposal from Daan, my feeling is that we should have it at 16:00 GMT so that he can attend and I'll sit out this week. (Most weeks I can manage 16:00 or 17:00, but once a month I can't do 16:00). -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 12:50 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process It's either 16:00 or 17:00 tomorrow (Wed). Anyone else got a preference? -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Rohit Yadav [mailto:rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 10:25 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can anyone confirm the final time/date? Thanks. On 13-Jan-2015, at 2:50 pm, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: You're right, it was the wrong word to use. I meant in terms of the number of attendees, not the discussion. I was just trying to encourage others to come along if they care about these process-type issues. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 13 January 2015 05:12 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related
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People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix-dominated [*], So you don't think I was being to dominant? ;) although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. -- Daan
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17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix-dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
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Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
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Here's a GTM for that session: If we want to move this to 1600 UTC, lets decide that by tomorrow. --David 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/750642504 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (626) 521-0013 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1036 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4345 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9376 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 24 Finland: +358 (0) 942 45 0382 France: +33 (0) 182 880 269 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7206 Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 053 Italy: +39 0 694 80 31 28 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 212 New Zealand: +64 (0) 4 974 7243 Norway: +47 23 96 01 18 Spain: +34 932 20 0506 Sweden: +46 (0) 840 839 467 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0824 78 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 330 221 0098 Access Code: 750-642-504 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 750-642-504 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix-dominated [*], So you don't think I was being to dominant? ;) although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. -- Daan
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Not dominated, majority presence -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:30 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process 17:00 is the earliest I can do this week, although I realise that's getting late in India and I'm not trying to have a veto. Who's planning to come this week? Last week, it seemed a bit quiet and Citrix- dominated [*], although we still had a good session. Will it pick up again now everyone's back from the Christmas holidays? [*] I know we're representing ourselves not our companies, but it's nice to have a diversity of perspectives. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 12 January 2015 10:21 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Can this be moved earlier by an hour to 16GMT ? -abhi On 12-Jan-2015, at 1:36 pm, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: People, I can't make it wednesday 14 17 GMT.. I have a meeting at 17:30 GMT and will be driving there before. Please make a recording for me? regards, -- Daan Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software- engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
please all have a look at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/gate+requirements to review my homework;) On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Stephen Turner stephen.tur...@citrix.com wrote: 17:00 - 18:00 GMT, right? -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 07 January 2015 06:04 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process We can use the following GTM for tomorrow's session 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/411279368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3129 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81385 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 China (toll-free): 4008 811084 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4222 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855 Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946 538 Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875 Italy (toll-free): 800 906959 Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 22104 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 925 0372 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 265 8469 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 219 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0011 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 280 6302 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 046 Norway: +47 75 80 32 07 Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1651 0716 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 1213979 Portugal (toll-free): 800 784 461 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 029 Russian Federation (toll-free): 810 800 29674011 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3633 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 983 867 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 582 Spain: +34 911 82 9906 Sweden (toll-free): 020 980 772 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 186 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 740 393 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0167 13 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 854 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 658 131 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 23683 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 0641 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40439 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0229 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 330 221 0088 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2073 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 413 598 4110 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 153 Access Code: 411-279-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 411-279-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:41 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process I've set up a GTM for this meeting. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/759444232 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (646) 749-3129 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 26116 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 China (toll-free): 4008 811084 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 723 5270 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
17:00 - 18:00 GMT, right? -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 07 January 2015 06:04 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process We can use the following GTM for tomorrow's session 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/411279368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3129 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81385 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 China (toll-free): 4008 811084 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4222 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855 Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946 538 Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875 Italy (toll-free): 800 906959 Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 22104 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 925 0372 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 265 8469 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 219 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0011 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 280 6302 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 046 Norway: +47 75 80 32 07 Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1651 0716 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 1213979 Portugal (toll-free): 800 784 461 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 029 Russian Federation (toll-free): 810 800 29674011 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3633 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 983 867 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 582 Spain: +34 911 82 9906 Sweden (toll-free): 020 980 772 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 186 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 740 393 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0167 13 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 854 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 658 131 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 23683 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 0641 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40439 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0229 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 330 221 0088 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2073 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 413 598 4110 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 153 Access Code: 411-279-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 411-279-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:41 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process I've set up a GTM for this meeting. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/759444232 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (646) 749-3129 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 26116 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 China (toll-free): 4008 811084 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 723 5270 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855 Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946 538 Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875 Italy (toll-free): 800 793887 Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01 Japan (toll-free
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
We can use the following GTM for tomorrow's session 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/411279368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3129 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81385 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 China (toll-free): 4008 811084 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4222 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855 Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946 538 Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875 Italy (toll-free): 800 906959 Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 22104 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 925 0372 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 265 8469 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 219 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0011 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 280 6302 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 046 Norway: +47 75 80 32 07 Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1651 0716 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 1213979 Portugal (toll-free): 800 784 461 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 029 Russian Federation (toll-free): 810 800 29674011 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3633 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 983 867 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 582 Spain: +34 911 82 9906 Sweden (toll-free): 020 980 772 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 186 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 740 393 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0167 13 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 854 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 658 131 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 23683 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 0641 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40439 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0229 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 330 221 0088 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2073 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 413 598 4110 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 153 Access Code: 411-279-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 411-279-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:41 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process I've set up a GTM for this meeting. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/759444232 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (646) 749-3129 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 26116 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 China (toll-free): 4008 811084 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 723 5270 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855 Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946 538 Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875 Italy (toll-free): 800 793887 Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 22104 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 925 0372 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0182 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 219 New
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
I've set up a GTM for this meeting. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/759444232 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (646) 749-3129 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 26116 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 China (toll-free): 4008 811084 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 723 5270 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855 Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946 538 Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875 Italy (toll-free): 800 793887 Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 22104 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 925 0372 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0182 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 219 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0011 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 280 6302 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 046 Norway: +47 75 80 32 07 Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1651 0716 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 1213979 Portugal (toll-free): 800 784 461 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 029 Russian Federation (toll-free): 810 800 29674011 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3633 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 983 867 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 582 Spain: +34 911 82 9906 Sweden (toll-free): 020 980 772 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 186 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 740 393 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0167 13 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 854 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 658 131 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 23683 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 0641 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40439 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0229 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1853 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2073 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 413 598 4110 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 153 Access Code: 759-444-232 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 759-444-232 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] Sent: 16 December 2014 13:03 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Were we planning to have another meeting at the same time tomorrow (2014-12-17T17:00Z)? Animesh, can you set up a GTM again? (Hoping that no-one's going to complain about my date format if I follow ISO 8601). -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 11 December 2014 07:23 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Don’t worry the first meeting went all over and the wiki needs a lot of cleanup and capture of discussion that we had. Stay tuned -Original Message- From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:48 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Thanks for sharing the notes. Sorry, I couldn't make it this time. Will definitely plan to join the next meeting. ~Rajani On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Folks We had good initial session this morning and we have started a public wiki [1] to allow us to collaborate. It is a scratch pad for start and we all will refine it as we go along. The link to recording and the chat log from today's meeting are also referenced in the wiki. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and+P ro cess+Improvement+Initiative -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:05 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process The meeting is on ... -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
Were we planning to have another meeting at the same time tomorrow (2014-12-17T17:00Z)? Animesh, can you set up a GTM again? (Hoping that no-one's going to complain about my date format if I follow ISO 8601). -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 11 December 2014 07:23 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Don’t worry the first meeting went all over and the wiki needs a lot of cleanup and capture of discussion that we had. Stay tuned -Original Message- From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:48 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Thanks for sharing the notes. Sorry, I couldn't make it this time. Will definitely plan to join the next meeting. ~Rajani On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Folks We had good initial session this morning and we have started a public wiki [1] to allow us to collaborate. It is a scratch pad for start and we all will refine it as we go along. The link to recording and the chat log from today's meeting are also referenced in the wiki. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and+P ro cess+Improvement+Initiative -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:05 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process The meeting is on ... -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:56 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Yes I am planning to record the GTM -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania
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Thanks, I'll also want to watch the recording. -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson steve.wil...@citrix.com Sent: Wednesday, 10 December, 2014 04:55:31 Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Yes I am planning to record the GTM -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 285-394-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. freenode: #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. Regards, On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM
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The recording is at the bottom of https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and+Process+Improvement+Initiative. -- Stephen Turner -Original Message- From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro] Sent: 16 December 2014 13:53 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Thanks, I'll also want to watch the recording. -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro - Original Message - From: Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson steve.wil...@citrix.com Sent: Wednesday, 10 December, 2014 04:55:31 Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Yes I am planning to record the GTM -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 285-394-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. freenode: #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. Regards, On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: When do we call the result
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The meeting is on ... -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:56 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Yes I am planning to record the GTM -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 285-394-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. freenode: #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. Regards, On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
Folks We had good initial session this morning and we have started a public wiki [1] to allow us to collaborate. It is a scratch pad for start and we all will refine it as we go along. The link to recording and the chat log from today's meeting are also referenced in the wiki. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and+Process+Improvement+Initiative -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:05 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process The meeting is on ... -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:56 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Yes I am planning to record the GTM -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 285-394-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Thanks for sharing the notes. Sorry, I couldn't make it this time. Will definitely plan to join the next meeting. ~Rajani On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Folks We had good initial session this morning and we have started a public wiki [1] to allow us to collaborate. It is a scratch pad for start and we all will refine it as we go along. The link to recording and the chat log from today's meeting are also referenced in the wiki. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and+Process+Improvement+Initiative -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:05 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process The meeting is on ... -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:56 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Yes I am planning to record the GTM -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID
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Don’t worry the first meeting went all over and the wiki needs a lot of cleanup and capture of discussion that we had. Stay tuned -Original Message- From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:48 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Thanks for sharing the notes. Sorry, I couldn't make it this time. Will definitely plan to join the next meeting. ~Rajani On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Folks We had good initial session this morning and we have started a public wiki [1] to allow us to collaborate. It is a scratch pad for start and we all will refine it as we go along. The link to recording and the chat log from today's meeting are also referenced in the wiki. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and+Pro cess+Improvement+Initiative -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:05 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process The meeting is on ... -Original Message- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:56 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Yes I am planning to record the GTM -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666
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Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. freenode: #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. Regards, On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 285-394-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. freenode: #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. Regards, On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 285-394-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. freenode: #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. Regards, On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
In would love to be a part of the meeting as a user just to be a fly on the wall. My datacenter that I am contracted to build a public cloud is relying on me to keep up to date with the project but tomorrow I am scheduled to do a wireless relay shot of 18miles and will miss the meeting. Not a big deal if the notes are taken or recorded and I will be able to review them. Just my 2 cents -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson (steve.wil...@citrix.com) Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 285-394-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. freenode: #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. Regards, On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
Yes I am planning to record the GTM -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch up)? Will On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. Here are the details. 1. Please join my meeting. https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 191 358 Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 080061 Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81388 Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 3281 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94473 Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 541 052 France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4230 Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland (toll-free): 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia (toll-free): 001 803 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 263 Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 792289 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 800 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 593 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 000 452 Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 808 168 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): 120 32 148 Access Code: 285-394-368 Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting Meeting ID: 285-394-368 GoToMeeting® Online Meetings Made Easy® Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. freenode: #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. Regards, On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com wrote: When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll be rooting for those of you that are doing to come up with some better practices for the community to adopt! On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
I like the solutions that Will and Animesh are giving. We should incorporate them in our work. I want to stress however that we need to start working in a way that others, committers and non-committers can copy. One thing I am thinking of is that we create a gate through which commits *can* go if you so wish. In this way people can see that it works before adopting. Let's not go for consensus but let's create it on the way. having said so, I propose to set a date for our first (irc/goto) meeting; wednesday 10 december 16:00 UTC? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Will Stevens wstev...@cloudops.com wrote: I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially the drive by opinions. This issue (plus challenges with people violently agreeing with
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
I am good with 10 Dec 16 UTC meeting time. Preference will be for goto. Let the meeting details be published to all. If communication is open, congenial and the process is executed well we can get more committed participation. -abhi From: Daan Hoogland daan.hoogl...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 2:59 PM To: dev Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I like the solutions that Will and Animesh are giving. We should incorporate them in our work. I want to stress however that we need to start working in a way that others, committers and non-committers can copy. One thing I am thinking of is that we create a gate through which commits *can* go if you so wish. In this way people can see that it works before adopting. Let's not go for consensus but let's create it on the way. having said so, I propose to set a date for our first (irc/goto) meeting; wednesday 10 december 16:00 UTC? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Will Stevens wstev...@cloudops.com wrote: I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially the drive by opinions. This issue (plus challenges with people violently agreeing with each other, yet talking past each other), is what I believe has held up meaningful progress. To deal with this, I suggest we all remember that projects at the ASF are about supporting those that DO, while giving opportunity for participation
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
GTM if voice required although, wouldn't make more sense to use #cloudstack-meeting as it keep record of discussions and is the regular channel? either way, I will be in on 10 Dec 16 UTC On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
having said so, I propose to set a date for our first (irc/goto) meeting; wednesday 10 december 16:00 UTC? [Animesh] Can we push it out by 1 hour to 17:00 UTC, the current time falls out on my time for dropping kids to school. If it does not work for others I can join @14:00 UTC (6:00 AM PST) On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Will Stevens wstev...@cloudops.com wrote: I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially the drive by opinions. This issue (plus challenges with people violently agreeing with each other, yet talking past each other), is what I believe has held up meaningful progress. To deal with this, I
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Let's fixed the time off the ML: http://doodle.com/xhp57mymv7hyim55 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: having said so, I propose to set a date for our first (irc/goto) meeting; wednesday 10 december 16:00 UTC? [Animesh] Can we push it out by 1 hour to 17:00 UTC, the current time falls out on my time for dropping kids to school. If it does not work for others I can join @14:00 UTC (6:00 AM PST) On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Will Stevens wstev...@cloudops.com wrote: I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
Done -Original Message- From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 3:57 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process Let's fixed the time off the ML: http://doodle.com/xhp57mymv7hyim55 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: having said so, I propose to set a date for our first (irc/goto) meeting; wednesday 10 december 16:00 UTC? [Animesh] Can we push it out by 1 hour to 17:00 UTC, the current time falls out on my time for dropping kids to school. If it does not work for others I can join @14:00 UTC (6:00 AM PST) On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Will Stevens wstev...@cloudops.com wrote: I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
I'd like to attend, i will be commuting during the meeting hours getting to work - my connection will be choppy but i can listen in. On 12/5/14, 2:20 PM, Pierre-Luc Dion wrote: GTM if voice required although, wouldn't make more sense to use #cloudstack-meeting as it keep record of discussions and is the regular channel? either way, I will be in on 10 Dec 16 UTC On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Agreed -Original Message- From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will Stevens Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially the drive by opinions. This issue (plus challenges with people violently agreeing with each other, yet
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Hi, I am back and looking forward to being involved again.? Will be happy to participate in the quality process and initiatives. I think there are several efforts already going on on test automation and CI. Can people chime in if they are already working on such initiatives and at what stage these are ? Regards, -abhi M +91 9701199011 | abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge - rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge - rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Morning folks, As an elected member of the ASF and with my cloudstack PMC hat off, I would like to raise a little bit of caution here. Core tenets of the ASF are openness, transparency and non-affiliation. A key process is also that all decisions happen on the list. While it is good that this type of meeting is brought up on the list, it would be much better for the community if this meeting was open to everyone, that the dates/time were promoted on the list and that minutes be sent. Very much like we operated IRC meetings some time back. The use of the list for decisions is actually for: -openness -to be able to include everyone in the decision making -archival purposes and -to remove liability on the committers when we release code. My final point of caution is regarding affiliation. Companies have no standing in the ASF. It is clear that someones pays the paychecks but companies do no influence ASF projects, they have no voice, no vote etc. This is something crucial in my view, if only because it protects the contributors. So a meeting between Citrix, SBP, Shaeblue and CloudOps were decisions are made about cloudstack would be wrong. A meeting between Daan, Rajani, Giles where thoughts are brought back to the list…is of course fine. So just a little caution here, thanks, -sebastien On Dec 3, 2014, at 11:47 PM, Rajani Karuturi raj...@apache.org wrote: count me in. I am willing to be part of this effort. ~Rajani On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Will Stevens wstev...@cloudops.com wrote: I am willing to help out in any way I can. Cheers, Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Steve Wilson steve.wil...@citrix.com wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. Thanks, -Steve Steve Wilson VP Product Unit Manager Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve
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Count me In! I will help as much as possible on CI, git flow testing... Pierre-Luc On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Will Stevens wstev...@cloudops.com wrote: I am willing to help out in any way I can. Cheers, Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Steve Wilson steve.wil...@citrix.com wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. Thanks, -Steve Steve Wilson VP Product Unit Manager Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
Hi Steve, I would like to be part of this too. I am new to CloudStack development but have good experience managing quality processes and CI in distributed teams. Amin Alid CTO, Safe Swiss Cloud AG skype: aminalid +41 44 586 0064 +41 43 541 5704 safeswisscloud.ch anolim.com On 12/01/2014 10:12 PM, Steve Wilson wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. Thanks, -Steve Steve Wilson VP Product Unit Manager Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Steve Wilson steve.wil...@citrix.com wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. I'm no developer, but if there's anything I can assist with as an Ops guy I'd be happy to help. -- Erik Weber
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Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially the drive by opinions. This issue (plus challenges with people violently agreeing with each other, yet talking past each other), is what I believe has held up meaningful progress. To deal with this, I suggest we all remember that projects at the ASF are about supporting those that DO, while giving opportunity for participation and comment from those that might not currently be DOING. But those that are doing the work, and collaborating to reach a shared goal, shouldn't let a lack of 100% consensus on every aspect hold back progress. As someone who will not be doing anything for this effort, but has an interest in maintaining this community's health and seeing it continue to succeed, I hope my suggestions and comments are helpful. -chip On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:12:27PM +, Steve Wilson wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate
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Chip, Sebastien, Without my PMC hat on; My take on this is that a couple of companies want to agree on a way of working guide lines that can function as an example for others to do so as well. We obviously can not go the same way of designing off list and then bring back and ask for +1/0/-1. This way has been tried to often in the past and is destined to fail given our by-law of any -1 is a veto on technical decisions. The suggestion to report back with minutes is a good one, it will keep people informed. We do not want to enforce a way of working but acquire one that is practical and make it known. Only a very small part is not doing/setting an example. This part is agreeing on the goal. Which we mostly do already. (David , Animesh,?) Rajani, Pierre-Luc and I are part of this endeavour so far. We will look out for the project and you know I will turn to you guys when in moral need. I hope this addresses both of your concerns, Daan On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially the drive by opinions. This issue (plus challenges with people violently agreeing with each other, yet talking past each other), is what I believe has held up meaningful progress. To deal with this, I suggest we all remember that projects at the ASF are about supporting those that DO, while giving opportunity for participation and comment from those that might not currently be DOING. But those that are doing the work, and collaborating to reach a shared goal, shouldn't let a lack of 100% consensus on every aspect hold back progress. As someone who will not be doing anything for this effort, but has an interest in maintaining this community's health and seeing it continue to succeed, I hope my suggestions and comments are helpful. -chip On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:12:27PM +, Steve Wilson wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions
RE: CloudStack Quality Process
Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially the drive by opinions. This issue (plus challenges with people violently agreeing with each other, yet talking past each other), is what I believe has held up meaningful progress. To deal with this, I suggest we all remember that projects at the ASF are about supporting those that DO, while giving opportunity for participation and comment from those that might not currently be DOING. But those that are doing the work, and collaborating to reach a shared goal, shouldn't let a lack of 100% consensus on every aspect hold back progress. As someone who will not be doing anything for this effort, but has an interest in maintaining this community's health and seeing it continue to succeed, I hope my suggestions and comments are helpful. -chip On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:12:27PM +, Steve Wilson wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small
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I am speaking as a committer who has limited insight into the 'correct' way to do this via Apache (so be gentle). :) I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone on the same page and to track the consensus as we move forward... I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus on the list because it is really hard to have a constructive conversation on here in a timely manner where the different voices can be heard. I think it would be interesting to schedule sessions/meetings on the list so any interested party can join. These sessions/meetings would happen in a format like IRC where the transcript of the session can be later posted to the list as well as a summary of the transcript so it can be reviewed by any member who could not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the actual conversation in the list, but we also make it easier to actually have a 'conversation' at the same time. It is hard to beat real time when working through this sort of stuff. Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on these discussions we have not made much progress on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and have locked horns. One possibility after reading Chip's email and concerns I see is that, we create a wiki outlining the problem space, possible solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and have people collaborate. Once a general consensus is there and wiki is stable we can bring it back to the mailing list for final approval. This is open as well as requires participant a higher degree of commitment to collaborate and will be more structured. Thanks Animesh On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Steve, (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as someone that has the time to help with this process) I love the idea of moving forward with resolving some of the quality process / tooling / etc... challenges that we face as a project and community. I also love the idea that companies getting commercial value from this project are talking (as companies) about how to best support the project through either directing their employees to work on this problem, allowing those interested the time to do so, and / or offering (as Citrix did) required hardware/software resources to make improvements for the common good. Importantly, I like that the companies involved are mutually agreeing that this is for the common good. That said, I have a concern about the outline below, specifically in how the definition of approach and eventual execution are handled. The proposal of taking this off-list until there is a proposal to ratify is what I'd like to see changed. I would fully expect that a fleshed out proposal hitting the list would be met with more discussion than you would like (and perhaps even met with frustration). What has worked well for us in the past, where there is a need to have those interested in doing work to be able to focus on that work, has been to start with a call for interested parties (as you did). Then, using a combination of threads on this list and live meetings, make progress on defining the requirements and approach incrementally. Execution of any work should similarly be open and shared on this list. Throughout that process, allowing comments and openings for participants are critical. One of the things we learned about using live meetings to speed up the consensus process in the past is to make sure that while they are fantastic at allowing the participants to understand each other, it's critical to remember that (1) there are no project decisions made outside of the mailing lists and (2) that it's important to have minutes or notes from those live meetings shared with the community as a whole. Now a very real concern that some of us have is getting bogged down in arguments based on opinion, especially the drive by opinions. This issue (plus challenges with people violently agreeing with each other, yet talking past each other), is what I believe has held up meaningful progress. To deal with this, I suggest we all remember that projects at the ASF are about supporting those that DO, while giving opportunity for participation and comment from those that might not currently be DOING. But those that are doing the work, and collaborating to reach a shared goal, shouldn't let a lack of 100% consensus on every aspect hold back progress. As someone who will not be doing anything for this effort, but has an interest in maintaining this community's health and seeing it continue to succeed, I
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I am willing to help out in any way I can. Cheers, Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Steve Wilson steve.wil...@citrix.com wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. Thanks, -Steve Steve Wilson VP Product Unit Manager Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve
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count me in. I am willing to be part of this effort. ~Rajani On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Will Stevens wstev...@cloudops.com wrote: I am willing to help out in any way I can. Cheers, Will *Will STEVENS* Lead Developer *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Steve Wilson steve.wil...@citrix.com wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. Thanks, -Steve Steve Wilson VP Product Unit Manager Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve
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I'll be happy to participate and contribute to this effort. On Wednesday 03 December 2014 02:04 AM, Paul Angus wrote: I'll throw my hat in the ring and do whatever my skillset allows. Regards, Paul Angus Cloud Architect S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus paul.an...@shapeblue.com -Original Message- From: ChunFeng [mailto:chunf...@domolo.com] Sent: 02 December 2014 00:31 To: dev Subject: Re:CloudStack Quality Process Hi Steve, I am now focus on test automation , and I willing to be one of this team. -- Regards, ChunFeng @accesine -- Original -- From: Steve Wilsonsteve.wil...@citrix.com; Date: Tue, Dec 2, 2014 03:12 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.orgdev@cloudstack.apache.org; Subject: CloudStack Quality Process Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. Thanks, -Steve Steve Wilson VP Product Unit Manager Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment frameworkhttp://shapeblue.com/csforge/ CloudStack Consultinghttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/ CloudStack Software Engineeringhttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/ CloudStack Infrastructure Supporthttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/ CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courseshttp://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. -- Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +41 779015219 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design Buildhttp://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build// CSForge
CloudStack Quality Process
Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. Thanks, -Steve Steve Wilson VP Product Unit Manager Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve
Re: CloudStack Quality Process
H Steve, As you mentioned one of us at Schuberg Philis will be on it. Without further notice it will be me. regards, Daan On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Steve Wilson steve.wil...@citrix.com wrote: Hi Everyone, It was great to get to see a number of you at the recent CCC in Budapest. While I was there, I got to meet face to face with individuals working for several companies that have a real stake in the commercial success of the CloudStack project. After joining Citrix (and becoming involved in CloudStack) about a year ago, I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to mature our quality practices around this codebase. We all like to say #cloudstackworks (and it’s true), but this is a massive codebase that’s used in the most demanding situations. We have large telecommunications companies and enterprises who are betting their businesses on this software. It has to be great! There has been quite a bit of discussion on the mailing list in recent months about how we improve in this area. There is plenty of passion, but we haven’t made enough concrete progress as a community. In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV list isn’t a good forum for hashing out these kinds of things. Email is too low-bandwidth and too impersonal. At CCC, I discussed with several people the idea that we commission a small sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we handle the following topics within the ACS community (which can then be brought back to the larger community for ratification): * Continuous integration and test automation * Gating of commits * Overall commit workflow We are looking for volunteers to commit to being part of this team. This would imply a serious commitment. We don’t want hangers on or observers. This will entail real work and late night meetings. We’re looking for people who are serious contributors to the codebase. From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh Chaturvedi have booth told me they’re willing to commit to this project. They’ve both managed ACS releases and have a really good view into the current process — and I know both are passionate about improving our process. From my CCC discussions, I believe there are individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue and Cloud Ops who are willing to commit to this process. If you are willing to be part of this team to drive forward our community, please reply here. Thanks, -Steve Steve Wilson VP Product Unit Manager Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve -- Daan
