Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

[Rohit Yadav]

Hi All,

The vote for CloudStack 4.11.0.0 *passes* with 4 PMC + 2 non-PMC votes.

+1 (PMC / binding)
2 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)

+1 (non binding)
2 person (Lucian, Boris)

0
none

-1
none

Thanks to everyone participating.

I will now prepare the release announcement to go out after 48 hours to
give the mirrors time to catch up.

Regards.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Rohit Yadav  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've created a 4.11.0.0 release (RC2), with the following artifacts up for
> testing and a vote:
>
> Git Branch and Commit SH:
> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cloudstack.git;a=
> shortlog;h=refs/heads/4.11.0.0-RC20180126T1313
> Commit: 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf
>
> Source release (checksums and signatures are available at the same
> location):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cloudstack/4.11.0.0/
>
> PGP release keys (signed using 5ED1E1122DC5E8A4A45112C2484248210EE3D884):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/cloudstack/KEYS
>
> The vote will be open till end of next week, 2nd Feb 2018.
>
> For sanity in tallying the vote, can PMC members please be sure to
> indicate "(binding)" with their vote?
>
> [ ] +1  approve
> [ ] +0  no opinion
> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>
> Additional information:
>
> For users' convenience, I've built packages from
> 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf and published RC2 repository
> here:
> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/testing/4.11-rc2
> (the packages are being built and will be available shortly)
>
> The release notes are still work-in-progress, but the systemvmtemplate
> upgrade section has been updated. You may refer the following for
> systemvmtemplate upgrade testing:
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-
> release-notes/en/latest/index.html
>
> 4.11 systemvmtemplates are available from here:
> https://download.cloudstack.org/systemvm/4.11/
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
>

Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

[Rohit Yadav]

Copy/paste error, the vote count was:


+1 (PMC / binding)
4 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)


- Rohit






From: Rohit Yadav 
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 10:57:17 AM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: us...@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

Hi All,

The vote for CloudStack 4.11.0.0 *passes* with 4 PMC + 2 non-PMC votes.

+1 (PMC / binding)
2 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)

+1 (non binding)
2 person (Lucian, Boris)

0
none

-1
none

Thanks to everyone participating.

I will now prepare the release announcement to go out after 48 hours to
give the mirrors time to catch up.

Regards.


rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Rohit Yadav  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've created a 4.11.0.0 release (RC2), with the following artifacts up for
> testing and a vote:
>
> Git Branch and Commit SH:
> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cloudstack.git;a=
> shortlog;h=refs/heads/4.11.0.0-RC20180126T1313
> Commit: 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf
>
> Source release (checksums and signatures are available at the same
> location):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cloudstack/4.11.0.0/
>
> PGP release keys (signed using 5ED1E1122DC5E8A4A45112C2484248210EE3D884):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/cloudstack/KEYS
>
> The vote will be open till end of next week, 2nd Feb 2018.
>
> For sanity in tallying the vote, can PMC members please be sure to
> indicate "(binding)" with their vote?
>
> [ ] +1  approve
> [ ] +0  no opinion
> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>
> Additional information:
>
> For users' convenience, I've built packages from
> 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf and published RC2 repository
> here:
> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/testing/4.11-rc2
> (the packages are being built and will be available shortly)
>
> The release notes are still work-in-progress, but the systemvmtemplate
> upgrade section has been updated. You may refer the following for
> systemvmtemplate upgrade testing:
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-
> release-notes/en/latest/index.html
>
> 4.11 systemvmtemplates are available from here:
> https://download.cloudstack.org/systemvm/4.11/
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
>

[DISCUSS] VR upgrade downtime reduction

[Daan Hoogland]

H devs,

I have recently (re-)submitted two PRs, one by Wei [1] and one by Remi [2],
that reduce downtime for redundant routers and redundant VPCs respectively.
(please review those)
Now from customers we hear that they also want to reduce downtime for
regular VRs so as we discussed this we came to two possible solutions that
we want to implement one of:

1. start and configure a new router before destroying the old one and then
as a last minute action stop the old one.
2. make all routers start up redundancy services but for regular routers
start only one until an upgrade is required at which time a new, second
router can be started before killing the old one.​

​obviously both solutions have their merits, so I want to have your input
to make the broadest supported implementation.
-1 means there will be an overlap or a small delay and interruption of
service.
+1 It can be argued, "they got what they payed for".
-2 means a overhead in memory usage by the router by the extra services
running on it.
+2 the number of router-varieties will be further reduced.

-1&-2 We have to deal with potentially large upgrade steps from way before
the cloudstack era even and might be stuck to 1 because of that, needing to
hack around it. Any dealing with older VRs, pre 4.5 and especially pre 4.0
will be hard.

I am not cross posting though this might be one of these occasions where it
is appropriate to include users@. Just my puristic inhibitions.

Of course I have preferences but can you share your thoughts, please?
​
​And don't forget to review Wei's [1] and Remi's [2] work please.

​[1] https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/2435​
[2] https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/2436

-- 
Daan

change required to cloudstack.apache.org

[Giles Sirett]

The survey on the ACS website has stopped working (I think because the survey 
provider has updated their URL)

Could somebody with the required karma please make a change to the file

http://cloudstack.apache.org/survey.html


EXISITING HTML

href="//www.formwize.com/run/survey3.cfm?id=7191"


NEW HTML

href="https://www.formwize.com/run/survey3.cfm?idx=505d040e080008;


It needs changing on both the iframe source and the link

Kind regards
Giles


giles.sir...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

RE: change required to cloudstack.apache.org

[Paul Angus]

I'm updating the website for the 4.11 release, I'll do it at the same time.


paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 


-Original Message-
From: Giles Sirett [mailto:giles.sir...@shapeblue.com] 
Sent: 05 February 2018 17:14
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: change required to cloudstack.apache.org

The survey on the ACS website has stopped working (I think because the survey 
provider has updated their URL)

Could somebody with the required karma please make a change to the file

http://cloudstack.apache.org/survey.html


EXISITING HTML

href="//www.formwize.com/run/survey3.cfm?id=7191"


NEW HTML

href="https://www.formwize.com/run/survey3.cfm?idx=505d040e080008;


It needs changing on both the iframe source and the link

Kind regards
Giles


giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
  
 

Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

[Boris Stoyanov]

+1
KMV smoketests has passed on our infra, LGTM. 


boris.stoya...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 11:46, Rohit Yadav  wrote:
> 
> +1 (binding)
> 
> 
> Based on manual tests against:
> 
> - KVM (Basic + Advanced with/without SG and with/without local storage, using 
> centos7 fully-automated monkeybox https://github.com/rhtyd/monkeybox)
> 
> - XenServer 6.5sp1 (Advanced zone, virtualized semi-automated monkeybox)
> 
> - Vmware 6.5 (Advanced zone, virtualized semi-automated monkeybox)
> 
> 
> And smoketests results from Trillian (KVM centos 6,7, ubuntu 16.04, XenServer 
> 6.5sp1, 7.0, 7.1/lts, 7.2, and vmware 5.5u3, 6.0, 6.5; against mgmt server on 
> CentOS 6, 7 and Ubuntu 16.04, 17.04), along with license checks and 
> regression tests against Travis/simulator.
> 
> 
> - Rohit
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Wido den Hollander 
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:49:47 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]
> 
> +1 (binding)
> 
> It took me a while to test everything with Basic Networking and Ubuntu
> 16.04, but my tests were all positive.
> 
> Wido
> 
> On 01/26/2018 01:19 PM, Rohit Yadav wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I've created a 4.11.0.0 release (RC2), with the following artifacts up for
>> testing and a vote:
>> 
>> Git Branch and Commit SH:
>> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cloudstack.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/4.11.0.0-RC20180126T1313
>> Commit: 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf
>> 
>> Source release (checksums and signatures are available at the same
>> location):
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cloudstack/4.11.0.0/
>> 
>> PGP release keys (signed using 5ED1E1122DC5E8A4A45112C2484248210EE3D884):
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/cloudstack/KEYS
>> 
>> The vote will be open till end of next week, 2nd Feb 2018.
>> 
>> For sanity in tallying the vote, can PMC members please be sure to indicate
>> "(binding)" with their vote?
>> 
>> [ ] +1  approve
>> [ ] +0  no opinion
>> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>> 
>> Additional information:
>> 
>> For users' convenience, I've built packages from
>> 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf and published RC2 repository here:
>> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/testing/4.11-rc2
>> (the packages are being built and will be available shortly)
>> 
>> The release notes are still work-in-progress, but the systemvmtemplate
>> upgrade section has been updated. You may refer the following for
>> systemvmtemplate upgrade testing:
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-release-notes/en/latest/index.html
>> 
>> 4.11 systemvmtemplates are available from here:
>> https://download.cloudstack.org/systemvm/4.11/
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Rohit Yadav
>> 
> 
> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com 
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
> 
> 
> 

Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

[Khosrow Moossavi]

Awesome! Good job everyone +1

Khosrow Moossavi

Cloud Infrastructure Developer

t 514.447.3456





On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Tutkowski, Mike 
wrote:

> Congratulations, everyone!
>
> On 2/5/18, 3:09 AM, "Rohit Yadav"  wrote:
>
> Copy/paste error, the vote count was:
>
>
> +1 (PMC / binding)
> 4 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)
>
>
> - Rohit
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
> From: Rohit Yadav 
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 10:57:17 AM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: us...@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]
>
> Hi All,
>
> The vote for CloudStack 4.11.0.0 *passes* with 4 PMC + 2 non-PMC votes.
>
> +1 (PMC / binding)
> 2 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)
>
> +1 (non binding)
> 2 person (Lucian, Boris)
>
> 0
> none
>
> -1
> none
>
> Thanks to everyone participating.
>
> I will now prepare the release announcement to go out after 48 hours to
> give the mirrors time to catch up.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Rohit Yadav  wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've created a 4.11.0.0 release (RC2), with the following artifacts
> up for
> > testing and a vote:
> >
> > Git Branch and Commit SH:
> > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cloudstack.git;a=
> > shortlog;h=refs/heads/4.11.0.0-RC20180126T1313
> > Commit: 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf
> >
> > Source release (checksums and signatures are available at the same
> > location):
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cloudstack/4.11.0.0/
> >
> > PGP release keys (signed using 5ED1E1122DC5E8A4A45112C2484248
> 210EE3D884):
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/cloudstack/KEYS
> >
> > The vote will be open till end of next week, 2nd Feb 2018.
> >
> > For sanity in tallying the vote, can PMC members please be sure to
> > indicate "(binding)" with their vote?
> >
> > [ ] +1  approve
> > [ ] +0  no opinion
> > [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
> >
> > Additional information:
> >
> > For users' convenience, I've built packages from
> > 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf and published RC2
> repository
> > here:
> > http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/testing/4.11-rc2
> > (the packages are being built and will be available shortly)
> >
> > The release notes are still work-in-progress, but the
> systemvmtemplate
> > upgrade section has been updated. You may refer the following for
> > systemvmtemplate upgrade testing:
> > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-
> > release-notes/en/latest/index.html
> >
> > 4.11 systemvmtemplates are available from here:
> > https://download.cloudstack.org/systemvm/4.11/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rohit Yadav
> >
>
>
>

Re: Releases in Progress

[Ron Wheeler]

SEO ranking is great but putting up stuff from 3 or 4 releases in the 
past blows away all of the SEO benefit when someone actually goes to the 
page.
The reader is left with the impression that the product is not actively 
supported (actively developed but not supported)


I am not sure that SEO raking makes any difference when the number of 
alternative search results is so small.
How many "products" will rank ahead of Cloudstack for virtualization 
orchestration?


Is there a list of search keywords for which we want to get a high ranking?
Who are the competitors and what keywords should they win?

Ron



On 05/02/2018 4:13 PM, Will Stevens wrote:

As a project, especially around the topic of 'releases', I assume we should
leverage any SEO placement we can use.  I don't have specific content I
think we should put there, but if it is well placed, it would make sense
that we put some detail on the page.  We don't have to, but I figured I
would mention it.

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Daan Hoogland 
wrote:


no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was that again) We
can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile page to the HOWTO
articles.

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens 
wrote:


Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update it?  It would have
been good to take advantage of the SEO that page already had working for

us

and just update the content to represent the latest details.  No?

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland 
wrote:


deleted

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler


wrote:


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS 4.10,
4.11 and 4.12.

Ron

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102




--
Daan




--
Daan




--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

Re: Releases in Progress

[Will Stevens]

My point was simply that if it has good ranking already, we should update
the page so we can put relevant information there so it can be easily
found.  Just trying to leverage it in our favor is all.

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Ron Wheeler  wrote:

> SEO ranking is great but putting up stuff from 3 or 4 releases in the past
> blows away all of the SEO benefit when someone actually goes to the page.
> The reader is left with the impression that the product is not actively
> supported (actively developed but not supported)
>
> I am not sure that SEO raking makes any difference when the number of
> alternative search results is so small.
> How many "products" will rank ahead of Cloudstack for virtualization
> orchestration?
>
> Is there a list of search keywords for which we want to get a high ranking?
> Who are the competitors and what keywords should they win?
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On 05/02/2018 4:13 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
>
>> As a project, especially around the topic of 'releases', I assume we
>> should
>> leverage any SEO placement we can use.  I don't have specific content I
>> think we should put there, but if it is well placed, it would make sense
>> that we put some detail on the page.  We don't have to, but I figured I
>> would mention it.
>>
>> *Will Stevens*
>> Chief Technology Officer
>> c 514.826.0190
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Daan Hoogland 
>> wrote:
>>
>> no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was that again) We
>>> can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile page to the HOWTO
>>> articles.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update it?  It would have
 been good to take advantage of the SEO that page already had working for

>>> us
>>>
 and just update the content to represent the latest details.  No?

 *Will Stevens*
 Chief Technology Officer
 c 514.826.0190

 

 On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland 
 wrote:

 deleted
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler
>
 >>
 com>
> wrote:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
>> ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS 4.10,
>> 4.11 and 4.12.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> --
>> Ron Wheeler
>> President
>> Artifact Software Inc
>> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Daan
>
>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daan
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>
>

Re: Releases in Progress

[Ron Wheeler]

Makes sense but we should try to get rid of inaccurate stuff and stuff 
that makes it look like the project is not maintained.


This is particularly and obviously true with pages that talk about 
"current" versions, roadmaps and outstanding issues.


The page in question was very explicit about version 4.6 being current 
and duplicated the ideas that were contained in a page about release 
policy that was not version specific. It did have some nice graphics 
that might be worth incorporating into  the other page.


The structure of the wiki needs a bit of thought and cleaning up. It 
needs to be looked at from a "marketing" point of view rather than a 
developer point of view. Development policies need to be included since 
they are important but they need to be written in a version-free point 
of view and need to be structured in a way that a first time visitor 
will have an easy way to find what they need and will find as many pages 
that paint a favourable view of the project as is possible without lying.


The details about version numbers and release policies are not top of 
mind with a person doing an evaluation of Cloudstack and its 
alternatives but is critical for developers.


Ron



On 05/02/2018 11:14 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
My point was simply that if it has good ranking already, we should 
update the page so we can put relevant information there so it can be 
easily found.  Just trying to leverage it in our favor is all.


*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c514.826.0190



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Ron Wheeler 
> wrote:


SEO ranking is great but putting up stuff from 3 or 4 releases in
the past blows away all of the SEO benefit when someone actually
goes to the page.
The reader is left with the impression that the product is not
actively supported (actively developed but not supported)

I am not sure that SEO raking makes any difference when the number
of alternative search results is so small.
How many "products" will rank ahead of Cloudstack for
virtualization orchestration?

Is there a list of search keywords for which we want to get a high
ranking?
Who are the competitors and what keywords should they win?

Ron



On 05/02/2018 4:13 PM, Will Stevens wrote:

As a project, especially around the topic of 'releases', I
assume we should
leverage any SEO placement we can use.  I don't have specific
content I
think we should put there, but if it is well placed, it would
make sense
that we put some detail on the page.  We don't have to, but I
figured I
would mention it.

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190 



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Daan Hoogland
>
wrote:

no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was
that again) We
can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile
page to the HOWTO
articles.

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens
>
wrote:

Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update
it?  It would have
been good to take advantage of the SEO that page
already had working for

us

and just update the content to represent the latest
details.  No?

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190 



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland
>
wrote:

deleted

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler


wrote:


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea


ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update
to talk about ACS 4.10,
4.11 and 4.12.

Ron

--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com

skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102




  

Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

[Tutkowski, Mike]

Congratulations, everyone!

On 2/5/18, 3:09 AM, "Rohit Yadav"  wrote:

Copy/paste error, the vote count was:


+1 (PMC / binding)
4 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)


- Rohit






From: Rohit Yadav 
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 10:57:17 AM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: us...@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

Hi All,

The vote for CloudStack 4.11.0.0 *passes* with 4 PMC + 2 non-PMC votes.

+1 (PMC / binding)
2 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)

+1 (non binding)
2 person (Lucian, Boris)

0
none

-1
none

Thanks to everyone participating.

I will now prepare the release announcement to go out after 48 hours to
give the mirrors time to catch up.

Regards.


rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Rohit Yadav  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've created a 4.11.0.0 release (RC2), with the following artifacts up for
> testing and a vote:
>
> Git Branch and Commit SH:
> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cloudstack.git;a=
> shortlog;h=refs/heads/4.11.0.0-RC20180126T1313
> Commit: 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf
>
> Source release (checksums and signatures are available at the same
> location):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cloudstack/4.11.0.0/
>
> PGP release keys (signed using 5ED1E1122DC5E8A4A45112C2484248210EE3D884):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/cloudstack/KEYS
>
> The vote will be open till end of next week, 2nd Feb 2018.
>
> For sanity in tallying the vote, can PMC members please be sure to
> indicate "(binding)" with their vote?
>
> [ ] +1  approve
> [ ] +0  no opinion
> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>
> Additional information:
>
> For users' convenience, I've built packages from
> 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf and published RC2 repository
> here:
> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/testing/4.11-rc2
> (the packages are being built and will be available shortly)
>
> The release notes are still work-in-progress, but the systemvmtemplate
> upgrade section has been updated. You may refer the following for
> systemvmtemplate upgrade testing:
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-
> release-notes/en/latest/index.html
>
> 4.11 systemvmtemplates are available from here:
> https://download.cloudstack.org/systemvm/4.11/
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
>

Re: Releases in Progress

[Daan Hoogland]

Maybe we should use that wiki page for release advertising while the web
page only points to it?

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 6:09 AM, Ron Wheeler 
wrote:

>
> Makes sense but we should try to get rid of inaccurate stuff and stuff
> that makes it look like the project is not maintained.
>
> This is particularly and obviously true with pages that talk about
> "current" versions, roadmaps and outstanding issues.
>
> The page in question was very explicit about version 4.6 being current and
> duplicated the ideas that were contained in a page about release policy
> that was not version specific. It did have some nice graphics that might be
> worth incorporating into  the other page.
>
> The structure of the wiki needs a bit of thought and cleaning up. It needs
> to be looked at from a "marketing" point of view rather than a developer
> point of view. Development policies need to be included since they are
> important but they need to be written in a version-free point of view and
> need to be structured in a way that a first time visitor will have an easy
> way to find what they need and will find as many pages that paint a
> favourable view of the project as is possible without lying.
>
> The details about version numbers and release policies are not top of mind
> with a person doing an evaluation of Cloudstack and its alternatives but is
> critical for developers.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On 05/02/2018 11:14 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
>
>> My point was simply that if it has good ranking already, we should update
>> the page so we can put relevant information there so it can be easily
>> found.  Just trying to leverage it in our favor is all.
>>
>> *Will Stevens*
>> Chief Technology Officer
>> c514.826.0190
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Ron Wheeler <
>> rwhee...@artifact-software.com >
>> wrote:
>>
>> SEO ranking is great but putting up stuff from 3 or 4 releases in
>> the past blows away all of the SEO benefit when someone actually
>> goes to the page.
>> The reader is left with the impression that the product is not
>> actively supported (actively developed but not supported)
>>
>> I am not sure that SEO raking makes any difference when the number
>> of alternative search results is so small.
>> How many "products" will rank ahead of Cloudstack for
>> virtualization orchestration?
>>
>> Is there a list of search keywords for which we want to get a high
>> ranking?
>> Who are the competitors and what keywords should they win?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/02/2018 4:13 PM, Will Stevens wrote:
>>
>> As a project, especially around the topic of 'releases', I
>> assume we should
>> leverage any SEO placement we can use.  I don't have specific
>> content I
>> think we should put there, but if it is well placed, it would
>> make sense
>> that we put some detail on the page.  We don't have to, but I
>> figured I
>> would mention it.
>>
>> *Will Stevens*
>> Chief Technology Officer
>> c 514.826.0190 
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Daan Hoogland
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was
>> that again) We
>> can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile
>> page to the HOWTO
>> articles.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update
>> it?  It would have
>> been good to take advantage of the SEO that page
>> already had working for
>>
>> us
>>
>> and just update the content to represent the latest
>> details.  No?
>>
>> *Will Stevens*
>> Chief Technology Officer
>> c 514.826.0190 
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland
>> > >>
>> wrote:
>>
>> deleted
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler
>>
>> >
>> com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
>> uence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
>> > luence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea>
>> ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update
>> to talk about ACS 4.10,
>>   

Re: Clean wiki

[Daan Hoogland]

Ron, this page is outdated and we are still adhering somewhat to the 4.6
release principles, other then that LTS support has been added. Do you want
to edit that page so they are in line?

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Ron Wheeler 
wrote:

>  If you search in Google with "cloudstack release schedule", top result is
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Releases which says
>
> This page is outdated and will be updated. Please seethis page for our
> Release Principles for Apache CloudStack 4.6 and on <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Rele
> ase+principles+for+Apache+CloudStack+4.6+and+up>.
>
> It dates back to 2015.
>
> Can it be removed from public view ie deleted/archived?
>
> Does it contain any info that is still useful that should be copied to
> another page or should the page be edited and renamed.
>
>
> Ron
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>
>


-- 
Daan

Re: Releases in Progress

[Will Stevens]

Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update it?  It would have
been good to take advantage of the SEO that page already had working for us
and just update the content to represent the latest details.  No?

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland 
wrote:

> deleted
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler  com>
> wrote:
>
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
> > ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS 4.10,
> > 4.11 and 4.12.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > --
> > Ron Wheeler
> > President
> > Artifact Software Inc
> > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> > skype: ronaldmwheeler
> > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Daan
>

Re: Releases in Progress

[Daan Hoogland]

I read over that acronym, and "
What does *SEO* stand for?

Your abbreviation search returned 39 meanings
", so can you explain Steve?

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Will Stevens  wrote:

> As a project, especially around the topic of 'releases', I assume we should
> leverage any SEO placement we can use.  I don't have specific content I
> think we should put there, but if it is well placed, it would make sense
> that we put some detail on the page.  We don't have to, but I figured I
> would mention it.
>
> *Will Stevens*
> Chief Technology Officer
> c 514.826.0190
>
> 
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Daan Hoogland 
> wrote:
>
> > no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was that again) We
> > can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile page to the HOWTO
> > articles.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update it?  It would
> have
> > > been good to take advantage of the SEO that page already had working
> for
> > us
> > > and just update the content to represent the latest details.  No?
> > >
> > > *Will Stevens*
> > > Chief Technology Officer
> > > c 514.826.0190
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > deleted
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler
> >  > > > com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
> > > > > ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS
> 4.10,
> > > > > 4.11 and 4.12.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Ron Wheeler
> > > > > President
> > > > > Artifact Software Inc
> > > > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> > > > > skype: ronaldmwheeler
> > > > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Daan
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Daan
> >
>



-- 
Daan

Re: Releases in Progress

[Will Stevens]

Search Engine Optimization.  Basically, placement of the page in google
searches...

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Daan Hoogland 
wrote:

> I read over that acronym, and "
> What does *SEO* stand for?
>
> Your abbreviation search returned 39 meanings
> ", so can you explain Steve?
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Will Stevens 
> wrote:
>
> > As a project, especially around the topic of 'releases', I assume we
> should
> > leverage any SEO placement we can use.  I don't have specific content I
> > think we should put there, but if it is well placed, it would make sense
> > that we put some detail on the page.  We don't have to, but I figured I
> > would mention it.
> >
> > *Will Stevens*
> > Chief Technology Officer
> > c 514.826.0190
> >
> > 
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Daan Hoogland 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was that again)
> We
> > > can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile page to the
> HOWTO
> > > articles.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update it?  It would
> > have
> > > > been good to take advantage of the SEO that page already had working
> > for
> > > us
> > > > and just update the content to represent the latest details.  No?
> > > >
> > > > *Will Stevens*
> > > > Chief Technology Officer
> > > > c 514.826.0190
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland <
> daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > deleted
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler
> > >  > > > > com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
> > > > > > ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS
> > 4.10,
> > > > > > 4.11 and 4.12.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Ron Wheeler
> > > > > > President
> > > > > > Artifact Software Inc
> > > > > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> > > > > > skype: ronaldmwheeler
> > > > > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Daan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daan
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Daan
>

Re: Releases in Progress

[Daan Hoogland]

good point, thank the powers that be that i lied; i only deleted the child
pages, that referred the 4.4 releases ;) https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
uence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Releases+in+Progress is still there

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Will Stevens  wrote:

> Search Engine Optimization.  Basically, placement of the page in google
> searches...
>
> *Will Stevens*
> Chief Technology Officer
> c 514.826.0190
>
> 
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Daan Hoogland 
> wrote:
>
> > I read over that acronym, and "
> > What does *SEO* stand for?
> >
> > Your abbreviation search returned 39 meanings
> > ", so can you explain Steve?
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Will Stevens 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As a project, especially around the topic of 'releases', I assume we
> > should
> > > leverage any SEO placement we can use.  I don't have specific content I
> > > think we should put there, but if it is well placed, it would make
> sense
> > > that we put some detail on the page.  We don't have to, but I figured I
> > > would mention it.
> > >
> > > *Will Stevens*
> > > Chief Technology Officer
> > > c 514.826.0190
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Daan Hoogland  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was that
> again)
> > We
> > > > can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile page to the
> > HOWTO
> > > > articles.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update it?  It
> would
> > > have
> > > > > been good to take advantage of the SEO that page already had
> working
> > > for
> > > > us
> > > > > and just update the content to represent the latest details.  No?
> > > > >
> > > > > *Will Stevens*
> > > > > Chief Technology Officer
> > > > > c 514.826.0190
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland <
> > daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > deleted
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler
> > > >  > > > > > com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
> > > > > > > ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS
> > > 4.10,
> > > > > > > 4.11 and 4.12.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ron
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Ron Wheeler
> > > > > > > President
> > > > > > > Artifact Software Inc
> > > > > > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> > > > > > > skype: ronaldmwheeler
> > > > > > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Daan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Daan
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Daan
> >
>



-- 
Daan

Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

[Tutkowski, Mike]

Also, thanks to Rohit for doing an awesome job as release manager for 4.11!

On 2/5/18, 12:50 PM, "Tutkowski, Mike"  wrote:

Congratulations, everyone!

On 2/5/18, 3:09 AM, "Rohit Yadav"  wrote:

Copy/paste error, the vote count was:


+1 (PMC / binding)
4 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)


- Rohit






From: Rohit Yadav 
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 10:57:17 AM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: us...@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Cloudstack 4.11.0.0 LTS [RC2]

Hi All,

The vote for CloudStack 4.11.0.0 *passes* with 4 PMC + 2 non-PMC votes.

+1 (PMC / binding)
2 person (Mike, Daan, Wido, Rohit)

+1 (non binding)
2 person (Lucian, Boris)

0
none

-1
none

Thanks to everyone participating.

I will now prepare the release announcement to go out after 48 hours to
give the mirrors time to catch up.

Regards.


rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Rohit Yadav  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've created a 4.11.0.0 release (RC2), with the following artifacts 
up for
> testing and a vote:
>
> Git Branch and Commit SH:
> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cloudstack.git;a=
> shortlog;h=refs/heads/4.11.0.0-RC20180126T1313
> Commit: 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf
>
> Source release (checksums and signatures are available at the same
> location):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cloudstack/4.11.0.0/
>
> PGP release keys (signed using 
5ED1E1122DC5E8A4A45112C2484248210EE3D884):
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/cloudstack/KEYS
>
> The vote will be open till end of next week, 2nd Feb 2018.
>
> For sanity in tallying the vote, can PMC members please be sure to
> indicate "(binding)" with their vote?
>
> [ ] +1  approve
> [ ] +0  no opinion
> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>
> Additional information:
>
> For users' convenience, I've built packages from
> 5dada1f7ed5fb6a8ee261c763f744583e586f8bf and published RC2 repository
> here:
> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/testing/4.11-rc2
> (the packages are being built and will be available shortly)
>
> The release notes are still work-in-progress, but the systemvmtemplate
> upgrade section has been updated. You may refer the following for
> systemvmtemplate upgrade testing:
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-
> release-notes/en/latest/index.html
>
> 4.11 systemvmtemplates are available from here:
> https://download.cloudstack.org/systemvm/4.11/
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
>

Re: Releases in Progress

[Daan Hoogland]

deleted

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler 
wrote:

> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
> ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS 4.10,
> 4.11 and 4.12.
>
> Ron
>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>
>


-- 
Daan

Re: Releases in Progress

[Daan Hoogland]

no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was that again) We
can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile page to the HOWTO
articles.

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens  wrote:

> Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update it?  It would have
> been good to take advantage of the SEO that page already had working for us
> and just update the content to represent the latest details.  No?
>
> *Will Stevens*
> Chief Technology Officer
> c 514.826.0190
>
> 
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland 
> wrote:
>
> > deleted
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler  > com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
> > > ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS 4.10,
> > > 4.11 and 4.12.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ron Wheeler
> > > President
> > > Artifact Software Inc
> > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> > > skype: ronaldmwheeler
> > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Daan
> >
>



-- 
Daan

Re: Releases in Progress

[Will Stevens]

As a project, especially around the topic of 'releases', I assume we should
leverage any SEO placement we can use.  I don't have specific content I
think we should put there, but if it is well placed, it would make sense
that we put some detail on the page.  We don't have to, but I figured I
would mention it.

*Will Stevens*
Chief Technology Officer
c 514.826.0190



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Daan Hoogland 
wrote:

> no one had made use of it since the RM for 4.4 (no who was that again) We
> can undelete if you wish. I copied the only worthwhile page to the HOWTO
> articles.
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Will Stevens 
> wrote:
>
> > Is there a reason we deleted it and didn't just update it?  It would have
> > been good to take advantage of the SEO that page already had working for
> us
> > and just update the content to represent the latest details.  No?
> >
> > *Will Stevens*
> > Chief Technology Officer
> > c 514.826.0190
> >
> > 
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Daan Hoogland 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > deleted
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Ron Wheeler
>  > > com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Relea
> > > > ses+in+Progress is old and needs to be update to talk about ACS 4.10,
> > > > 4.11 and 4.12.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ron Wheeler
> > > > President
> > > > Artifact Software Inc
> > > > email: rwhee...@artifact-software.com
> > > > skype: ronaldmwheeler
> > > > phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daan
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Daan
>