Re: ApacheCon community panel
On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: Not sure if we have much diversity in what the current projects do, but obviously Cordova is a good example of a project that has special needs. What would be interesting would be to know if Cordova really *does* have special needs or whether they are really just wants...
Re: ApacheCon community panel
It might be more interesting to skip Cordova altogether. The industry is full of ferment about CD. If everyone checks their rhetoric at the door, there could be an interesting conversation about how to mesh the ideas of CD and the ideals of the ASF. On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Mar 10, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: Not sure if we have much diversity in what the current projects do, but obviously Cordova is a good example of a project that has special needs. What would be interesting would be to know if Cordova really *does* have special needs or whether they are really just wants...
Re: ApacheCon community panel
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: It might be more interesting to skip Cordova altogether. The industry is full of ferment about CD. If everyone checks their rhetoric at the door, there could be an interesting conversation about how to mesh the ideas of CD and the ideals of the ASF. Agreed. I (from my comfortable arm chair, looking on) don't see Cordova as being a snowflake; but the larger topic is interesting. I do see the software industry and a lot of open source projects waving the CD flag. I personally don't see CD and the Apache Way as mutually exclusive, though I see problems it could create if not handled well. --David
Re: ApacheCon community panel
On 03/11/2014 08:47 AM, David Nalley wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: It might be more interesting to skip Cordova altogether. The industry is full of ferment about CD. If everyone checks their rhetoric at the door, there could be an interesting conversation about how to mesh the ideas of CD and the ideals of the ASF. Agreed. I (from my comfortable arm chair, looking on) don't see Cordova as being a snowflake; but the larger topic is interesting. I do see the software industry and a lot of open source projects waving the CD flag. I personally don't see CD and the Apache Way as mutually exclusive, though I see problems it could create if not handled well. No, I don't think they're a snowflake, but it might be seen as a jerky move to exclude then from the conversation, as they're the ones that brought it up. I'd suggest we ask Andrew Grieve - http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/c75e06c0f1d804b37066b67fda9f4e62 - to be on the panel, as he'll be giving a talk on their development lifecycle, so will have some ideas prepared. From the Infra side, of course I'd like to ask Joe to be on the panel, and possibly Sam as VP Infra and board member. And from a ... shall we say ... slower moving project, how about JimJag to represent both the httpd project and the board perspective. So then who else should we invite from a project that would benefit from a more rapid release cadence? Is that you, Dave, to represent CloudStack? At that point we'd be really pushing the size that a panel can tolerate being and not be a shouting match. Thoughts? -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheCon community panel
Maybe Andrew Bayer instead of me. He is a core committer on Jenkins (which has a strong affinity for CD); and jclouds moves faster. CloudStack isn't really a CD type of project - at least not yet. --David On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 03/11/2014 08:47 AM, David Nalley wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: It might be more interesting to skip Cordova altogether. The industry is full of ferment about CD. If everyone checks their rhetoric at the door, there could be an interesting conversation about how to mesh the ideas of CD and the ideals of the ASF. Agreed. I (from my comfortable arm chair, looking on) don't see Cordova as being a snowflake; but the larger topic is interesting. I do see the software industry and a lot of open source projects waving the CD flag. I personally don't see CD and the Apache Way as mutually exclusive, though I see problems it could create if not handled well. No, I don't think they're a snowflake, but it might be seen as a jerky move to exclude then from the conversation, as they're the ones that brought it up. I'd suggest we ask Andrew Grieve - http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/c75e06c0f1d804b37066b67fda9f4e62 - to be on the panel, as he'll be giving a talk on their development lifecycle, so will have some ideas prepared. From the Infra side, of course I'd like to ask Joe to be on the panel, and possibly Sam as VP Infra and board member. And from a ... shall we say ... slower moving project, how about JimJag to represent both the httpd project and the board perspective. So then who else should we invite from a project that would benefit from a more rapid release cadence? Is that you, Dave, to represent CloudStack? At that point we'd be really pushing the size that a panel can tolerate being and not be a shouting match. Thoughts? -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheCon community panel
I'd be happy to participate. This could definitely be a constructive discussion, as I think Cordova's problems are/were actually more from ignorance than from having special needs (project had a lot of turn-over / growth after incubation). One topic I'm hoping to learn about from the conference is how other projects manage their release automation would be great. On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:04 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: Maybe Andrew Bayer instead of me. He is a core committer on Jenkins (which has a strong affinity for CD); and jclouds moves faster. CloudStack isn't really a CD type of project - at least not yet. --David On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 03/11/2014 08:47 AM, David Nalley wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: It might be more interesting to skip Cordova altogether. The industry is full of ferment about CD. If everyone checks their rhetoric at the door, there could be an interesting conversation about how to mesh the ideas of CD and the ideals of the ASF. Agreed. I (from my comfortable arm chair, looking on) don't see Cordova as being a snowflake; but the larger topic is interesting. I do see the software industry and a lot of open source projects waving the CD flag. I personally don't see CD and the Apache Way as mutually exclusive, though I see problems it could create if not handled well. No, I don't think they're a snowflake, but it might be seen as a jerky move to exclude then from the conversation, as they're the ones that brought it up. I'd suggest we ask Andrew Grieve - http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/c75e06c0f1d804b37066b67fda9f4e62 - to be on the panel, as he'll be giving a talk on their development lifecycle, so will have some ideas prepared. From the Infra side, of course I'd like to ask Joe to be on the panel, and possibly Sam as VP Infra and board member. And from a ... shall we say ... slower moving project, how about JimJag to represent both the httpd project and the board perspective. So then who else should we invite from a project that would benefit from a more rapid release cadence? Is that you, Dave, to represent CloudStack? At that point we'd be really pushing the size that a panel can tolerate being and not be a shouting match. Thoughts? -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: ApacheCon community panel
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: Maybe Andrew Bayer instead of me. He is a core committer on Jenkins (which has a strong affinity for CD); and jclouds moves faster. CloudStack isn't really a CD type of project - at least not yet. While any panel with Andrew on it is would be worth attending, sadly he is not coming this year. Thanks, Roman.
