Fwd: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects

[jan iversen]

Hi.

This report is real interesting reading, it could be real cool to do the
same math for ASF.

Is anybody interested in forming a small work team (a LABS project), and
try to do the calculation for ASF ?

rgds
jan I.



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NEW Report: Estimating the Total Development Costs of Collaborative Projects

The
Linux Foundation today is releasing its first-ever report that attempts to
measure the collective value of development costs in its Collaborative
Projects. The report is titled “*A $5 Billion Value: Estimating the Total
Development Cost of Linux Foundation’s Collaborative Projects
.*
”

Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects are independently funded software
projects that harness the power of collaborative development to fuel
innovation across industries and ecosystems. More than 500 companies and
thousands of developers from around the world contribute to these open
source software projects that are changing the world in which we live.

*Top-level findings from the report include:*

   - The total *lines of source code* present today in Linux Foundation’s
   Collaborative Projects are *115,013,302*.

   - The *estimated, total amount of effort* required to retrace the steps
   of *collaborative development* for these projects is *41,192.25 person
   years*.

   - In other words, it would take *1,356 developers 30 years* to recreate
   the code bases present in Linux Foundation’s current Collaborative Projects
   listed above. The total economic value of this work is estimated to
be over *5
   billion dollars*
   .

We believe that when people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a
massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. In fact, the most complex
technology challenges of our day are being solved through collaboration and
what we call Distributed Genius
.
Distributed Genius is when thousands of people from every corner of the
world bring their genius and their unique experience to bear.



Join the conversation on Twitter with #DistributedGenius

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Re: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects

[Raul Kripalani]

BlackDuck's OpenHub runs COCOMO model calculations for Open Source
projects. Check out the "In a nutshell" section in this page for Apache
Camel [1]:

... took an estimated 290 years of effort (COCOMO model)
starting with its first commit in March, 2007
ending with its most recent commit 29 days ago.

It would be interesting to release a similar infographic/report for the
ASF. We'd have to translate COCOMO's effort into $$$.

[1] https://www.openhub.net/p/camel

*Raúl Kripalani*
PMC & Committer @ Apache Ignite, Apache Camel | Integration, Big Data and
Messaging Engineer
http://about.me/raulkripalani | http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani
http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:59 PM, jan iversen 
wrote:

> Hi.
>
> This report is real interesting reading, it could be real cool to do the
> same math for ASF.
>
> Is anybody interested in forming a small work team (a LABS project), and
> try to do the calculation for ASF ?
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>
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> Date: 30 September 2015 at 14:21
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> NEW Report: Estimating the Total Development Costs of Collaborative
> Projects
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> >
> The
> Linux Foundation today is releasing its first-ever report that attempts to
> measure the collective value of development costs in its Collaborative
> Projects. The report is titled “*A $5 Billion Value: Estimating the Total
> Development Cost of Linux Foundation’s Collaborative Projects
> <
> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/ndation-collaborative-projects/2v9lw6/660023375
> >.*
> ”
>
> Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects are independently funded software
> projects that harness the power of collaborative development to fuel
> innovation across industries and ecosystems. More than 500 companies and
> thousands of developers from around the world contribute to these open
> source software projects that are changing the world in which we live.
>
> *Top-level findings from the report include:*
>
>- The total *lines of source code* present today in Linux Foundation’s
>Collaborative Projects are *115,013,302*.
>
>- The *estimated, total amount of effort* required to retrace the steps
>of *collaborative development* for these projects is *41,192.25 person
>years*.
>
>- In other words, it would take *1,356 developers 30 years* to recreate
>the code bases present in Linux Foundation’s current Collaborative
> Projects
>listed above. The total economic value of this work is estimated to
> be over *5
>billion dollars*
>.
>
> We believe that when people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a
> massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. In fact, the most complex
> technology challenges of our day are being solved through collaboration and
> what we call Distributed Genius
> <
> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/-player-embedded-v-SqXUu-EsAiE/2v9lvn/660023375
> >.
> Distributed Genius is when thousands of people from every corner of the
> world bring their genius and their unique experience to bear.
>
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> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/-player-embedded-v-SqXUu-EsAiE/2v9lvn/660023375
> >
>
> Join the conversation on Twitter with #DistributedGenius
> <
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> >
> or learn more about our Collaborative Projects at
> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/2015-09-30/2v9lvs/660023375
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Re: Fwd: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects

[jan i]

Hi Daniel.

I know that David gave a keynote (was there) with the numbers you mention,
but I imaged making it more "official" like this report, so we have
something to sponsors and other interested.

We need to promote ASF, and this could be one  way of doing it.

rgds
jan I.




On 30 September 2015 at 17:20, Daniel Gruno  wrote:

> Hi Jan,
> We actually did the math last year for ACEU 2014, I'll try to find it for
> you.
> But in short, take the LF number, multiply it by 1.25 and you sort of get
> to the figures we were discussing back then.
> This is highly subjective and not in any way an _actual_ science (neither
> are the LF numbers, they're all just big guesses), but it's fun do try out
> the math :)
>
> We have around 140-150 million lines of code at the moment, which by using
> our own model would take around 38k person-years to do (LF has used some
> math that makes coding take even longer - by their standards, it would take
> 50k person-years to write our code). We had a very conservative cost
> estimation at $2B back then. By LF standards, that figure would be $6.1B.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
> On 2015-09-30 16:59, jan iversen wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> This report is real interesting reading, it could be real cool to do the
>> same math for ASF.
>>
>> Is anybody interested in forming a small work team (a LABS project), and
>> try to do the calculation for ASF ?
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Linux Foundation 
>> Date: 30 September 2015 at 14:21
>> Subject: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects
>> To: jancasacon...@gmail.com
>>
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>> <
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>> .
>>
>> NEW Report: Estimating the Total Development Costs of Collaborative
>> Projects
>> <
>> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/ndation-collaborative-projects/2v9lw6/660023375
>> >
>> The
>> Linux Foundation today is releasing its first-ever report that attempts to
>> measure the collective value of development costs in its Collaborative
>> Projects. The report is titled “*A $5 Billion Value: Estimating the Total
>> Development Cost of Linux Foundation’s Collaborative Projects
>> <
>> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/ndation-collaborative-projects/2v9lw6/660023375
>> >.*
>> ”
>>
>> Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects are independently funded software
>> projects that harness the power of collaborative development to fuel
>> innovation across industries and ecosystems. More than 500 companies and
>> thousands of developers from around the world contribute to these open
>> source software projects that are changing the world in which we live.
>>
>> *Top-level findings from the report include:*
>>
>> - The total *lines of source code* present today in Linux Foundation’s
>> Collaborative Projects are *115,013,302*.
>>
>> - The *estimated, total amount of effort* required to retrace the
>> steps
>> of *collaborative development* for these projects is *41,192.25 person
>> years*.
>>
>> - In other words, it would take *1,356 developers 30 years* to
>> recreate
>> the code bases present in Linux Foundation’s current Collaborative
>> Projects
>> listed above. The total economic value of this work is estimated to
>> be over *5
>> billion dollars*
>> .
>>
>> We believe that when people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a
>> massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. In fact, the most complex
>> technology challenges of our day are being solved through collaboration
>> and
>> what we call Distributed Genius
>> <
>> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/-player-embedded-v-SqXUu-EsAiE/2v9lvn/660023375
>> >.
>> Distributed Genius is when thousands of people from every corner of the
>> world bring their genius and their unique experience to bear.
>>
>> <
>> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/-player-embedded-v-SqXUu-EsAiE/2v9lvn/660023375
>> >
>>
>> Join the conversation on Twitter with #DistributedGenius
>> <
>> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/q-23DistributedGenius-src-typd/2v9lvq/660023375
>> >
>> or learn more about our Collaborative Projects at
>> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/2015-09-30/2v9lvs/660023375
>> > >
>> 
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Re: Fwd: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects

[Daniel Gruno]

Hi Jan,
We actually did the math last year for ACEU 2014, I'll try to find it 
for you.
But in short, take the LF number, multiply it by 1.25 and you sort of 
get to the figures we were discussing back then.
This is highly subjective and not in any way an _actual_ science 
(neither are the LF numbers, they're all just big guesses), but it's fun 
do try out the math :)


We have around 140-150 million lines of code at the moment, which by 
using our own model would take around 38k person-years to do (LF has 
used some math that makes coding take even longer - by their standards, 
it would take 50k person-years to write our code). We had a very 
conservative cost estimation at $2B back then. By LF standards, that 
figure would be $6.1B.


With regards,
Daniel.

On 2015-09-30 16:59, jan iversen wrote:

Hi.

This report is real interesting reading, it could be real cool to do the
same math for ASF.

Is anybody interested in forming a small work team (a LABS project), and
try to do the calculation for ASF ?

rgds
jan I.



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From: Linux Foundation 
Date: 30 September 2015 at 14:21
Subject: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects
To: jancasacon...@gmail.com


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NEW Report: Estimating the Total Development Costs of Collaborative Projects

The
Linux Foundation today is releasing its first-ever report that attempts to
measure the collective value of development costs in its Collaborative
Projects. The report is titled “*A $5 Billion Value: Estimating the Total
Development Cost of Linux Foundation’s Collaborative Projects
.*
”

Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects are independently funded software
projects that harness the power of collaborative development to fuel
innovation across industries and ecosystems. More than 500 companies and
thousands of developers from around the world contribute to these open
source software projects that are changing the world in which we live.

*Top-level findings from the report include:*

- The total *lines of source code* present today in Linux Foundation’s
Collaborative Projects are *115,013,302*.

- The *estimated, total amount of effort* required to retrace the steps
of *collaborative development* for these projects is *41,192.25 person
years*.

- In other words, it would take *1,356 developers 30 years* to recreate
the code bases present in Linux Foundation’s current Collaborative Projects
listed above. The total economic value of this work is estimated to
be over *5
billion dollars*
.

We believe that when people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a
massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. In fact, the most complex
technology challenges of our day are being solved through collaboration and
what we call Distributed Genius
.
Distributed Genius is when thousands of people from every corner of the
world bring their genius and their unique experience to bear.



Join the conversation on Twitter with #DistributedGenius

or learn more about our Collaborative Projects at
http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/2015-09-30/2v9lvs/660023375





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RE: Fwd: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects

[Ross Gardler]

This whole process is nonsense (not disparaging the work done by people here, 
it's good to see comparative numbers). My point is, as Daniel says below, it's 
all subjective. The value is not in how much effort it takes to pump out code - 
hell I've probably written at least a $B of code by that measure - most of it 
was never used.

What is important is what economic value does the code produce. If we look at 
it that way I'd say our code (and that of LF for that matter) is worth many, 
many $B more than these numbers imply. The HTTPd project, for example, drives 
over 50% of the web - what's the value of the web?

Ross

-Original Message-
From: jan i [mailto:j...@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:59 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative 
Projects

Hi Daniel.

I know that David gave a keynote (was there) with the numbers you mention, but 
I imaged making it more "official" like this report, so we have something to 
sponsors and other interested.

We need to promote ASF, and this could be one  way of doing it.

rgds
jan I.




On 30 September 2015 at 17:20, Daniel Gruno  wrote:

> Hi Jan,
> We actually did the math last year for ACEU 2014, I'll try to find it 
> for you.
> But in short, take the LF number, multiply it by 1.25 and you sort of 
> get to the figures we were discussing back then.
> This is highly subjective and not in any way an _actual_ science 
> (neither are the LF numbers, they're all just big guesses), but it's 
> fun do try out the math :)
>
> We have around 140-150 million lines of code at the moment, which by 
> using our own model would take around 38k person-years to do (LF has 
> used some math that makes coding take even longer - by their 
> standards, it would take 50k person-years to write our code). We had a 
> very conservative cost estimation at $2B back then. By LF standards, that 
> figure would be $6.1B.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
> On 2015-09-30 16:59, jan iversen wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> This report is real interesting reading, it could be real cool to do 
>> the same math for ASF.
>>
>> Is anybody interested in forming a small work team (a LABS project), 
>> and try to do the calculation for ASF ?
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: Linux Foundation 
>> Date: 30 September 2015 at 14:21
>> Subject: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative 
>> Projects
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>> Linux Foundation today is releasing its first-ever report that 
>> attempts to measure the collective value of development costs in its 
>> Collaborative Projects. The report is titled “*A $5 Billion Value: 
>> Estimating the Total Development Cost of Linux Foundation’s 
>> Collaborative Projects < 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fgo.li
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>> ”
>>
>> Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects are independently funded 
>> software projects that harness the power of collaborative development 
>> to fuel innovation across industries and ecosystems. More than 500 
>> companies and thousands of developers from around the world 
>> contribute to these open source software projects that are changing the 
>> world in which we live.
>>
>> *Top-level findings from the report include:*
>>
>> - The total *lines of source code* present today in Linux Foundation’s
>> Collaborative Projects are *115,013,302*.
>>
>> - The *estimated, total amount of effort* required to retrace the 
>> steps
>> of *collaborative development* for these projects is *41,192.25 person
>> years*.
>>
>> - In other words, it would take *1,356 developers 30 years* to 
>> recreate
>> the code bases present in Linux Foundation’s current 
>> Collaborative Projects
>> listed above. The