Re: recognizing valuable non-code contributions

2016-10-14 Thread Ross Gardler 
Many more than one, in fact one of the early members fits this category.

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Reminder, ASF has at least one *Member* who doesn't (didn't?) know how to
operate source control. But very valuable to the foundation in other ways.

Cheers

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:04 PM, sebb  wrote:

> On 14 October 2016 at 15:13, A. Soroka  wrote:
> > I was responding to a previous message from Greg Chase:
> >
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread.html%2F34f2f4859aac61141cfe903a692c58=01%7C01%7CRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7C71298d6b19d14078a42f08d3f487914d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1=snrwvush6yedeeYJJFAgKSxlx7GCT4%2FOHFiZdhP3jnQ%3D=0
> 06e50282eb6ca388a7f8959d35@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
> >
> > but perhaps I read too much into his remark "As a frequent non-code
> contributor to several projects, having people like us as PMC (or PPMC)
> members seems to do the trick."
>
> I see.
>
> In order to commit, one must be a committer, but the reverse is not true.
> People with committer status don't have to commit code.
> They may commit docn or not commit at all.
>
> > ---
> > A. Soroka
> > The University of Virginia Library
> >
> >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 10:08 AM, sebb  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 14 October 2016 at 12:16, A. Soroka  wrote:
> >>> Thanks, community thinkers!
> >>>
> >>> The consensus is overwhelming for being generous with committer status.
> >>>
> >>> (Additionally, just as a point of record, it seems that at least some
> projects are indeed giving PMC membership without committer status, so that
> does seem to be reasonable Apache-fu, when appropriate.)
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what you mean by "committer status" here.
> >>
> >> To become a PMC member currently requires an ASF login and this
> >> automatically gives committer karma on many projects.
> >> To get an ASF login requires an ICLA.
> >>
> >> AIUI there are no plans to relax these requirements.
> >>
> >>> ---
> >>> A. Soroka
> >>> The University of Virginia Library
> >>>
>  On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Shane Curcuru 
> wrote:
> 
>  Luciano Resende wrote on 10/13/16 9:20 PM:
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Rich Bowen 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 13, 2016 12:26, "Daniel Gruno"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Top-posting because yay ponies!
> >>> We've elected people committers in HTTPd solely due to them
> helping out
> >>> on IRC. There is no rule that says you must write anything
> down in a
> >>> file (code or documentation or otherwise) to become a committer :)
> >>>
> >>> Any contribution can count towards merit.
> >>
> >> Also, more than one person who was made a docs committer on httpd
> went on
> >> to make small code contributions. And some not so small. Point
> being, when
> >> you extend trust, most people will rise to that level.
> >>
> >> I'm a strong believer in handing out commit early and easy. If
> someone
> >> breaks something, revert it. No harm done.
> >>
> >>
> > +1, I just wished some of the existing projects are watching this
> thread.
> >
>  This is exactly the kind of helpful guidance that folks should feel
> free
>  to write content for the ComDev website.  Much easier to share when
> it's
>  at a permanent URL.
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Re: recognizing valuable non-code contributions

2016-10-14 Thread Niclas Hedhman 
Reminder, ASF has at least one *Member* who doesn't (didn't?) know how to
operate source control. But very valuable to the foundation in other ways.

Cheers

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:04 PM, sebb  wrote:

> On 14 October 2016 at 15:13, A. Soroka  wrote:
> > I was responding to a previous message from Greg Chase:
> >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/34f2f4859aac61141cfe903a692c58
> 06e50282eb6ca388a7f8959d35@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
> >
> > but perhaps I read too much into his remark "As a frequent non-code
> contributor to several projects, having people like us as PMC (or PPMC)
> members seems to do the trick."
>
> I see.
>
> In order to commit, one must be a committer, but the reverse is not true.
> People with committer status don't have to commit code.
> They may commit docn or not commit at all.
>
> > ---
> > A. Soroka
> > The University of Virginia Library
> >
> >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 10:08 AM, sebb  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 14 October 2016 at 12:16, A. Soroka  wrote:
> >>> Thanks, community thinkers!
> >>>
> >>> The consensus is overwhelming for being generous with committer status.
> >>>
> >>> (Additionally, just as a point of record, it seems that at least some
> projects are indeed giving PMC membership without committer status, so that
> does seem to be reasonable Apache-fu, when appropriate.)
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what you mean by "committer status" here.
> >>
> >> To become a PMC member currently requires an ASF login and this
> >> automatically gives committer karma on many projects.
> >> To get an ASF login requires an ICLA.
> >>
> >> AIUI there are no plans to relax these requirements.
> >>
> >>> ---
> >>> A. Soroka
> >>> The University of Virginia Library
> >>>
>  On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Shane Curcuru 
> wrote:
> 
>  Luciano Resende wrote on 10/13/16 9:20 PM:
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Rich Bowen 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 13, 2016 12:26, "Daniel Gruno"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Top-posting because yay ponies!
> >>> We've elected people committers in HTTPd solely due to them
> helping out
> >>> on IRC. There is no rule that says you must write anything
> down in a
> >>> file (code or documentation or otherwise) to become a committer :)
> >>>
> >>> Any contribution can count towards merit.
> >>
> >> Also, more than one person who was made a docs committer on httpd
> went on
> >> to make small code contributions. And some not so small. Point
> being, when
> >> you extend trust, most people will rise to that level.
> >>
> >> I'm a strong believer in handing out commit early and easy. If
> someone
> >> breaks something, revert it. No harm done.
> >>
> >>
> > +1, I just wished some of the existing projects are watching this
> thread.
> >
>  This is exactly the kind of helpful guidance that folks should feel
> free
>  to write content for the ComDev website.  Much easier to share when
> it's
>  at a permanent URL.
> 
>  https://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#websitecms
> 
>  And using the CMS, anyone can make suggested changes just from a web
>  browser - even non-committers!
> 
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Re: recognizing valuable non-code contributions

2016-10-14 Thread sebb 
On 14 October 2016 at 15:13, A. Soroka  wrote:
> I was responding to a previous message from Greg Chase:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/34f2f4859aac61141cfe903a692c5806e50282eb6ca388a7f8959d35@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E
>
> but perhaps I read too much into his remark "As a frequent non-code 
> contributor to several projects, having people like us as PMC (or PPMC) 
> members seems to do the trick."

I see.

In order to commit, one must be a committer, but the reverse is not true.
People with committer status don't have to commit code.
They may commit docn or not commit at all.

> ---
> A. Soroka
> The University of Virginia Library
>
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 10:08 AM, sebb  wrote:
>>
>> On 14 October 2016 at 12:16, A. Soroka  wrote:
>>> Thanks, community thinkers!
>>>
>>> The consensus is overwhelming for being generous with committer status.
>>>
>>> (Additionally, just as a point of record, it seems that at least some 
>>> projects are indeed giving PMC membership without committer status, so that 
>>> does seem to be reasonable Apache-fu, when appropriate.)
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "committer status" here.
>>
>> To become a PMC member currently requires an ASF login and this
>> automatically gives committer karma on many projects.
>> To get an ASF login requires an ICLA.
>>
>> AIUI there are no plans to relax these requirements.
>>
>>> ---
>>> A. Soroka
>>> The University of Virginia Library
>>>
 On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:

 Luciano Resende wrote on 10/13/16 9:20 PM:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>
>> On Oct 13, 2016 12:26, "Daniel Gruno"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Top-posting because yay ponies!
>>> We've elected people committers in HTTPd solely due to them helping out
>>> on IRC. There is no rule that says you must write anything down in a
>>> file (code or documentation or otherwise) to become a committer :)
>>>
>>> Any contribution can count towards merit.
>>
>> Also, more than one person who was made a docs committer on httpd went on
>> to make small code contributions. And some not so small. Point being, 
>> when
>> you extend trust, most people will rise to that level.
>>
>> I'm a strong believer in handing out commit early and easy. If someone
>> breaks something, revert it. No harm done.
>>
>>
> +1, I just wished some of the existing projects are watching this thread.
>
 This is exactly the kind of helpful guidance that folks should feel free
 to write content for the ComDev website.  Much easier to share when it's
 at a permanent URL.

 https://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#websitecms

 And using the CMS, anyone can make suggested changes just from a web
 browser - even non-committers!

 - Shane

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Re: recognizing valuable non-code contributions

2016-10-14 Thread A. Soroka 
I was responding to a previous message from Greg Chase:

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/34f2f4859aac61141cfe903a692c5806e50282eb6ca388a7f8959d35@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E

but perhaps I read too much into his remark "As a frequent non-code contributor 
to several projects, having people like us as PMC (or PPMC) members seems to do 
the trick."

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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 10:08 AM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> On 14 October 2016 at 12:16, A. Soroka  wrote:
>> Thanks, community thinkers!
>> 
>> The consensus is overwhelming for being generous with committer status.
>> 
>> (Additionally, just as a point of record, it seems that at least some 
>> projects are indeed giving PMC membership without committer status, so that 
>> does seem to be reasonable Apache-fu, when appropriate.)
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by "committer status" here.
> 
> To become a PMC member currently requires an ASF login and this
> automatically gives committer karma on many projects.
> To get an ASF login requires an ICLA.
> 
> AIUI there are no plans to relax these requirements.
> 
>> ---
>> A. Soroka
>> The University of Virginia Library
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Luciano Resende wrote on 10/13/16 9:20 PM:
 On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
 
> On Oct 13, 2016 12:26, "Daniel Gruno"  wrote:
>> 
>> Top-posting because yay ponies!
>> We've elected people committers in HTTPd solely due to them helping out
>> on IRC. There is no rule that says you must write anything down in a
>> file (code or documentation or otherwise) to become a committer :)
>> 
>> Any contribution can count towards merit.
> 
> Also, more than one person who was made a docs committer on httpd went on
> to make small code contributions. And some not so small. Point being, when
> you extend trust, most people will rise to that level.
> 
> I'm a strong believer in handing out commit early and easy. If someone
> breaks something, revert it. No harm done.
> 
> 
 +1, I just wished some of the existing projects are watching this thread.
 
>>> This is exactly the kind of helpful guidance that folks should feel free
>>> to write content for the ComDev website.  Much easier to share when it's
>>> at a permanent URL.
>>> 
>>> https://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#websitecms
>>> 
>>> And using the CMS, anyone can make suggested changes just from a web
>>> browser - even non-committers!
>>> 
>>> - Shane
>>> 
>>> -
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Re: recognizing valuable non-code contributions

2016-10-14 Thread sebb 
On 14 October 2016 at 12:16, A. Soroka  wrote:
> Thanks, community thinkers!
>
> The consensus is overwhelming for being generous with committer status.
>
> (Additionally, just as a point of record, it seems that at least some 
> projects are indeed giving PMC membership without committer status, so that 
> does seem to be reasonable Apache-fu, when appropriate.)

I'm not sure what you mean by "committer status" here.

To become a PMC member currently requires an ASF login and this
automatically gives committer karma on many projects.
To get an ASF login requires an ICLA.

AIUI there are no plans to relax these requirements.

> ---
> A. Soroka
> The University of Virginia Library
>
>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:
>>
>> Luciano Resende wrote on 10/13/16 9:20 PM:
>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>>>
 On Oct 13, 2016 12:26, "Daniel Gruno"  wrote:
>
> Top-posting because yay ponies!
> We've elected people committers in HTTPd solely due to them helping out
> on IRC. There is no rule that says you must write anything down in a
> file (code or documentation or otherwise) to become a committer :)
>
> Any contribution can count towards merit.

 Also, more than one person who was made a docs committer on httpd went on
 to make small code contributions. And some not so small. Point being, when
 you extend trust, most people will rise to that level.

 I'm a strong believer in handing out commit early and easy. If someone
 breaks something, revert it. No harm done.


>>> +1, I just wished some of the existing projects are watching this thread.
>>>
>> This is exactly the kind of helpful guidance that folks should feel free
>> to write content for the ComDev website.  Much easier to share when it's
>> at a permanent URL.
>>
>>  https://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#websitecms
>>
>> And using the CMS, anyone can make suggested changes just from a web
>> browser - even non-committers!
>>
>> - Shane
>>
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Re: Healthcare Open Source Technology Request

2016-10-14 Thread Kate ONeill 
Dear Team


Why: Open source mobile technology  is needed to improve the science of 
healthcare delivery to reduce patient harm, with a specific interest in the 11 
areas of all cause harm (Sepsis, CAUTI, VTE,  etc.). Medical Errors kill 
400,000 patients each year in the US and is the 3rd leading cause of death only 
preceded by heart disease and cancer. Med Error is a  $29 billion dollar 
problem in the US with unnecessary pain and suffering. Its like 1 jumbo jet 
crashing each day in death tolls.



About: iCareQuality.us is a start-up firm with innovation labs in the 
Philadelphia area.  Our goal is  to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of 
healthcare delivery - specifically at the intersection of quality patient 
safety, clinical performance, health IT.  Using an MVP early model, my doctoral 
work will be featured as Impact Case for Catheter Infection Prevention by the 
national Agency for Healthcare Quality and Research next month.



Need: iCareQuality.us is seeking strategic hospitals, universities, and 
industry partners to collaborate on building the next generation of mobile 
device technology for providers using big data, gamification, just-in-time 
learning, AI, and machine learning to reduce all cause harm and drive better 
outcomes in hospitals in the US and globally.


Validation: Using an open source mobile platform, we aim to validate real-time 
measures of "Nursing value"  and "Physician value" in the equation below to 
reduce all cause harm. My hypothesis is this - with open source technology, we 
can measure value as  leading indicator that impacts patient outcomes in 
real-time. Currently hospitals measure  medical harm data (NDNQI)  which is a 
lagging indicator and done manually with 3 month data delay.



[cid:7bbf2cde-37f3-436b-a893-e3f2fd170615]


Next Steps:  I welcome a call to discuss opportunities further.


Thank you, Kate
--
Dr. Kathleen A. ONeill, DNP, RN
VP of Practice, Education & Innovation
http://www.icarequality.us/
kate.one...@icarequality.org
phone: 610.505.0996
skype:  kate.oneill.rn
twitter: @kateoneillrn
#ZeroPatientHarm








From: Ted Dunning 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:20 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Cc: Kate ONeill
Subject: Re: Healthcare Open Source Technology Request


Kate,

To add a bit to what Bertrand says, it is likely that there is a bit of a gulf 
between what Apache expects new communities to be and do and what you might 
come up with from first principles or raw expectations.

That said, your suggested projects could be really valuable and they might very 
well fit well in the Apache community of communities. Your call for potential 
champions is exactly the right first step. A good champion can help you figure 
out what Apache is and what it is that we do (and don't do).

Bertrand's suggestion that you say a bit more about what you are doing and want 
to do is spot on. That is how you get people excited.



On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
> wrote:
Hi Kate,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 4:35 AM, Kate ONeill
> wrote:
> ...Is it possible to connect with one of your champions or mentors to
> help me in the process?...

Many potential champions and mentors are reading this list, the best
way to raise their attention might be to give some more information
about your software, ideally pointers to existing code.

The Incubator is usually not keen on accepting projects for incubation
without an initial codebase and a (minimal maybe) community, so if you
can point us to those it might help raise interest.

-Bertrand

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Re: recognizing valuable non-code contributions

2016-10-14 Thread A. Soroka 
Thanks, community thinkers!

The consensus is overwhelming for being generous with committer status.

(Additionally, just as a point of record, it seems that at least some projects 
are indeed giving PMC membership without committer status, so that does seem to 
be reasonable Apache-fu, when appropriate.)

---
A. Soroka
The University of Virginia Library

> On Oct 13, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Shane Curcuru  wrote:
> 
> Luciano Resende wrote on 10/13/16 9:20 PM:
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2016 12:26, "Daniel Gruno"  wrote:
 
 Top-posting because yay ponies!
 We've elected people committers in HTTPd solely due to them helping out
 on IRC. There is no rule that says you must write anything down in a
 file (code or documentation or otherwise) to become a committer :)
 
 Any contribution can count towards merit.
>>> 
>>> Also, more than one person who was made a docs committer on httpd went on
>>> to make small code contributions. And some not so small. Point being, when
>>> you extend trust, most people will rise to that level.
>>> 
>>> I'm a strong believer in handing out commit early and easy. If someone
>>> breaks something, revert it. No harm done.
>>> 
>>> 
>> +1, I just wished some of the existing projects are watching this thread.
>> 
> This is exactly the kind of helpful guidance that folks should feel free
> to write content for the ComDev website.  Much easier to share when it's
> at a permanent URL.
> 
>  https://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#websitecms
> 
> And using the CMS, anyone can make suggested changes just from a web
> browser - even non-committers!
> 
> - Shane
> 
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Re: Healthcare Open Source Technology Request

2016-10-14 Thread Frans Badenhorst 
Hi Dr

I am also interested in doing the same thing in Africa.  Would like to stay
in touch. My project involves building EHR and HIS for clinics, small
private hospitals, various specialists in Namibia and other SADC
countries.  The Apache OfBiz ERP/CRM system to handle the logistics side of
things.  In-hospital and also for procurement though an outside company
stationed in the Namibia EPZ in Walvis Bay.


The same topic was raised a while ago.  They were referred to look at the
http://ctakes.apache.org/ project.


Hope this helps


Regards

Frans Badenhorst

Mike Drob 
18 Sep
to dev
I think http://ctakes.apache.org/ is an example of this in the healthcare
vertical.

I'm not sure where you want this conversation to go - anybody is free to
propose project to the incubator. If you see a need and a potential
solution, then I'm sure you could start to build a community around it.

Mike

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Radhakrishna Kalyan 
wrote:


Frans Badenhorst

On 13 October 2016 at 04:35, Kate ONeill 
wrote:

> Dear Apache Community
>
>
> I am interested in developing open source software platform  for
> healthcare and need some assistance on the project for consideration in
> your Incubator hub. My goal is to build open source mobile solutions for
> doctors and nurses to provider real-time resources to reduce patient harm
> and improve the science of care delivery.
>
>
> Is it possible to connect with one of your champions or mentors to help me
> in the process?
>
>
> Many thanks for your kind consideration.
>
>
> Thank you, Kate
> --
> Dr. Kathleen A. ONeill, DNP, RN
> VP of Practice, Education & Innovation
> http://www.icarequality.us/
> kate.one...@icarequality.org
> phone: 610.505.0996
> skype:  kate.oneill.rn
> twitter: @kateoneillrn
> #ZeroPatientHarm
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Healthcare Open Source Technology Request

2016-10-14 Thread Ted Dunning 
Kate,

To add a bit to what Bertrand says, it is likely that there is a bit of a
gulf between what Apache expects new communities to be and do and what you
might come up with from first principles or raw expectations.

That said, your suggested projects could be really valuable and they might
very well fit well in the Apache community of communities. Your call for
potential champions is exactly the right first step. A good champion can
help you figure out what Apache is and what it is that we do (and don't do).

Bertrand's suggestion that you say a bit more about what you are doing and
want to do is spot on. That is how you get people excited.



On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote:

> Hi Kate,
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 4:35 AM, Kate ONeill
>  wrote:
> > ...Is it possible to connect with one of your champions or mentors to
> > help me in the process?...
>
> Many potential champions and mentors are reading this list, the best
> way to raise their attention might be to give some more information
> about your software, ideally pointers to existing code.
>
> The Incubator is usually not keen on accepting projects for incubation
> without an initial codebase and a (minimal maybe) community, so if you
> can point us to those it might help raise interest.
>
> -Bertrand
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