Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 2017-04-04, at 02:44, Bertrand Delacretaz  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>> ...As a small way to address this, my desire is to send a newsletter to
>> committers every two months..
> 
> I like the idea (especially if you're doing the work ;-) and suggest
> publishing these newsletters under https://blogs.apache.org/comdev/ in
> a specific category as well. This helps write the history of the ASF,
> over time.
> 
> -Bertrand

Just to understand more fully, and usual apologies if this has been already 
said, but this fine newsletter would:

a) not have a regular editor; and
b) would be like a blog.

The point being that if it needs an editor then it would obviously have a more 
terminal existence; a community-contributed blog, however, less so. (Community 
contributed meaning a set of all those entitled to contribute.) I raise this 
obvious point because I've initiated enough such newsletters and related 
efforts. 

louis
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Re: Base for presentation

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 21 05 2016, at 11:19, Shane Curcuru  wrote:
> 
> Patricia Shanahan wrote on 5/21/16 9:41 AM:
>> In connection with the "Encouraging More Women into Participate in
>> Apache Projects?" I am going to try to talk to some student groups,
>> especially a WIC chapter, about Apache.
>> 
>> Part of the presentation will be directly related to why women do fine
>> in ASF, including my personal experiences. That I can and should write
>> myself.
>> 
>> I also need a general introduction to ASF, and why a young programmer
>> should consider getting involved in it. I'm sure that has already been
>> written. Any suggestions for presentations I could adopt and adapt?
>> 
>> Patricia
> 
> ComDev has a speaker resources page.  I urge everyone who has a relevant
> slide deck or the like to add it there:
> 
>  http://community.apache.org/speakers/slides.html
> 
> Separately, if folks are also interested in how the internals of the
> Foundation are governed, we've got that too:
> 
>  http://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/

These are good slides. Thanks for the reminder, Shane.

I'd also suggest that, as I've learned ("from personal experience": anecdotal 
and specific but maybe useful), I was able to engage and involve more people 
(regardless of subject position [translated: however they define themselves or 
are defined as selves by others]) by being concrete and specific regarding 
projects. ASF as a general idea is great, but it's about doing, and that means, 
at least for me and for many others, doing in particular projects. In practice, 
this means it might help (read: probably will, but not necessarily) focusing on 
those projects you think cool and (or) know. Also helps to bring out the 
stalwarts of those who can speak to the virtues and excitements of their 
projects. And Apache has a lot of those and that's to its credit.

Cheers,
Louis

> 
> - Shane



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Re: Apache community in Addis Ababa

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

We had a more or less vibrant community doing Swahilii, too—but it has, as far 
as I know, also declined. It’s positive cline depended upon a few. Gone, 
gravity took over.

I am still in touch with some in the region. Might be feasible to re-ignite the 
spark, but my guess is that it would only be really sustainable if in 
coordination with LibreOffice/Mozilla and others who would benefit from the 
common translated strings.

louis

> On 31 Mar 16, at 18:12, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
> Hi - 
> 
> OpenOffice has outdated translations of Amharic and Oromoo. Updating these 
> translations via pootle can be done by non coders. The AOO project is ready 
> to provide guidance as we are for any language.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>> 
>> If you happen to find a vibrant Apache community in Addis, or, indeed,
>> any passion for open source in general, I would really like to see a few
>> blog posts come out of that. I guess you know of my interest in Africa,
>> and my impression is that Microsoft has a pretty strong grip on most
>> computing across Africa. I always love to see good open source stories
>> come out of Africa, and I don't think I've ever heard any out of Ethiopia.
>> 
>> --Rich
>> 
>>> On 03/31/2016 04:27 PM, Santiago Gala wrote:
>>> Hi, I'm spending one month in Addis for a medical imaging project, and I
>>> wonder if there is people interested in Apache projects around here...
>>> 
>>> I'm a long timer Apache member and, while I'm not currently deeply involved
>>> in any project, I know well the issues of community development and quite a
>>> bit of a few of the technologies in use at the Apache communities.
>>> 
>>> So drop a line if you are for a cafe talk or something more formal.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Santiag
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
> 

Re: Looking for speakers at Linuxwochen Vienna

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 18 Feb 16, at 05:53, Andrus Adamchik  wrote:
> 
> Hi ComDev,
> 
> So any ideas on participation in Linuxwochen? IIRC some folks here have done 
> general Apache-centric presentations. Would it make sense to do something 
> similar here?

It depends if we have resources to sustain a good booth, no? ("Resources" would 
include but not be limited to humans, their analogues, and convertible value 
tokens of debt.) I am guessing that it would be fairly easy to come up with an 
introductory presentation on Apache's relevance and importance to, say, could 
development, with much of the message being to underscore that the foundations 
of many corporate and government "clouds" are Apache projects—Hadoop, for 
starters, but also Spark, etc., and that this makes for good things. That there 
are also incompatibilities, both of a legacy and modern nature, and that they 
can claim to be also open source, adds to the interest value.

But it would give us a good chance to foreground the Apache Way. I think that's 
important.

Louis

> Andrus
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Andreas Willich  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Apache Community Development Group
>> 
>> My name is Andreas Willich and one of the organizers of the Linuxwochen 
>> Vienna (Linuxwochen = Linuxweeks).
>> I talked with Andrus Adamchik at the FOSDEM about possible speakers of the 
>> Apache Foundation for our conference.
>> He gave me the advice to introduce us here. 
>> 
>> So here we are. :-)
>> 
>> The Linuxwochen Vienna is a 3-days conference will take place this year from 
>> April 28th until April 30th at the FH Technikum Wien 
>> (http://www.technikum-wien.at/en/ ).
>> 
>> Our Topics include but are not limited to:
>> - IT Security & Privacy
>> - System administration
>> - Open Source Software Development
>> - OpenHardware / DIY / 3D-Print
>> - Sustainability / GreenIT
>> - Linux & Open Source for first-timers
>> 
>> Like in the previous 16 years Linuxwochen Wien are not limited to Linux but 
>> do represent the Open Source Idea in all it's facets. 
>> Diversity ranges from OpenSourceSeeds to an OpenSource lawn mower, from 
>> OpenSource microchip-design to 3D-printing the casing. 
>> 
>> Here are our schedules from the previous years:
>> 
>> 2015 https://cfp.linuxwochen.at/en/LWW15/public/schedule 
>> 
>> 2014 https://cfp.linuxwochen.at/en/LWW14/public/schedule 
>> 
>> 
>> We are eager to get lectures and workshops aiming at first-timers and more 
>> advanced users.
>> As our main audience are german speaking, we would prefer the lectures in 
>> german.
>> We expect about 1000 - 1500 visitors on the 3 days.
>> 
>> If you have additional questions, simply send me an e-mail.
>> To submit lectures/workshops please use our cfp-manager: 
>> https://cfp.linuxwochen.at/en/LWW16/cfp/session/new 
>> 
>> 
>> I am looking forward to hear from you!
>> 
>> Greetings from Austria
>> 
>> Andreas Willich
>> Linuxwochen Programm Team
>> --
>> http://linuxwochen.at/ 
> 

Re: ApacheCon CFP, review committee needed

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Rich,
Sorry am coming late to this. I'd be glad to help out, esp. with
community & related proposals.

best
louis

On 13 February 2016 at 06:57, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> I appear to have dropped the ball on an important aspect of the
> ApacheCon CFP, and your urgent assistance is needed.
>
> I need a small committee of assistants to help rate the talks and select
> the schedule. Please let me know ASAP if you wish to participate.
>
> A reminder: We license the ApacheCon brand, and the Apache brand itself,
> to a third party to produce our event. We act as subject matter experts
> for them, but they make all the final decisions. Being on this committee
> does not mean that we are running the event, or even making the decisions.
>
> Note 2: This committee will be much smaller than last year, so please
> don't be offended if your offer is politely rejected. Having a huge
> content committee caused logistical difficulties in the last few events,
> and LF has requested that we have a smaller number of participants this
> time.
>
> Note C: LF is putting in place a new CFP system, so we won't be mucking
> about with Google Docs this time, for which I'm sure we're all grateful.
> We will, however, need to learn and work with their new system.
>
> Thanks to anybody that can help in this effort.
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon



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Re: Passion and vigilance in open source

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

> On 22 Sep 15, at 16:35, Ted Dunning  wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Is that really happening?  Is the fun leaving?  Or is it we are all just
> getting old and are forgetting the child-like wonder?

I think that the fun is not leaving—rather the opposite, in fact--and that age, 
or more accurately, being in a rut and for a very long while, can get boring. 
Even for the JimJags of the wold, who seldom are boring to others.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Jim Jagielski  wrote:
> 
>> Some of you may know that I've started a Vlog series on Youtube
>> around some topics I find interesting, mostly around open source.
>> 
>> My latest is about the risks around open source today where the
>> fun and passion that used to exist around open source is drying
>> up or being discounted. Since Apache is one of the still remaining
>> oasis of open source being all about community and fun whilst still
>> changing the world, I'd like to ask for some thoughts from the
>> membership about their concerns, etc... that I can fold into the
>> 2nd part of this mini-series.
>> 
>> If so, please contact me directly. I have set the Reply-To header
>> accordingly.
>> 
>> Thx!
>> 

Software Freedom Day

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hey Everyone,

Software Freedom Day is 25 September. See: http://softwarefreedomday.org/

There’s been a seeming lack of excitement about it. In other years, for 
instance, many geolocal AOO communities would work with the SFD locals. This 
year… not so much. Why is that? Have your communities contacted them at SFD? Or 
vice versa? 

Perhaps we ought to make something out of it? Normally, that can simply be 
having a meet-up, posting a banner—SFD has suggestions.

-louis

Re: slack

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

HI,

 On 10 Aug 15, at 14:10, Ajoy Bhatia ajoy.bha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just wanted to make a comment on the mail from Louis Suárez-Potts 
 lui...@gmail.com, in which he related his conversation with James H., a
 Slack engineer. Comments are inline below. Highlighting is mine:
 
 So, I pinged the nice folks at Slack (and they really are nice!, or at
 least the guy I communicated with), and asked them about:
 
 * open source: No.
 * the issue of uncaptured conversations, as Ted D. mentioned (there is a
 huge danger of *off-list discussions*…).
 
 
 Here, I interpret off-list discussions to mean: discussions occurring on
 Slack that are not captured on the mailing list.
 
 
 
 To the latter, which James H. of Slack recognised as important, he
 suggested:
 
 quote
 
 ...our new-ish reactions feature:
 http://slackhq.com/post/123561085920/reactions
 One team I'm in has coopted a particular emoji to *flag conversations as
 off-topic – a friendly but brief way to say please take this elsewhere*.
 This probably wouldn't work for the social dynamics of every team, but it
 does work in this particular case.
 
 /quote
 
 
 The Slack engineer (James H.) and Louis (see below) both seem to have
 misunderstood off-list, and confused it with off-topic. The two are not
 the same.
 
 I further replied that in this case that the technical solution seemed
 interesting but that *given the basic nature of the problem (it’s a human
 thing), I’d guess that the solution will necessarily include discipline*.
 Cutting off options is going to get increasingly hard and we (Apache) run
 the risk of coming to seem fustian, stodgy, obsolete, old fashioned and
 everything else. Perhaps—as with GitHub—discipline and then yet more
 recognition of the importance of inclusive community, is the ticket.
 
 
 Thanks...
 - Ajoy

Hmm. I don’t think I misunderstood. Offlist means, I understand, what Benson, 
Bertrand, et al. have underscored, conversations of consequence that take place 
off the designated Apache list. The . It’s entirely possible that James H of 
Slack chose to interpret the conversation as you suggest, but you err in 
thinking I did. That said I no doubt am absolutely guilty for phrasing the 
plainest of language in ways that would make mazey doats of us all. (Clean 
narrative is what I love, not what I have.)

I used to (and still do) urge the communities I work with to keep their 
conversations—all of them—on the designated lists. I am not an advocate of 
roaming off list, however fun it may be. I urge this discipline because stuff 
can happen, good or bad, and arise out of seemingly inconsequential 
discussions. So, better to keep all on list. When I was doing OpenOffice.org, I 
compromised with some communities venues (e.g., IRC channels) to a) agree that 
nothing happens of consequence on IRC or anywhere; that only on-list 
discussions were of consequence; b) that in some cases a copy-and-paste 
transcript (or archive URL) could work, but the it was not desirable and in the 
cases of IRC archives of transcripts, better to arrange beforehand the venue as 
a privileged one. The point then, as here, being that the aim of discussion was 
first, community inclusion, and actually only second production; and that this 
was afforded because it was understood—maybe—that more inclusion meant more 
production.

cheers,
Louis


 
 
 
 2015/8/11 上午1:35於 Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com寫道：
 
 I think it's important to recognize how the board and the
 foundation
 have handled this issue over time.
 
 The absolute requirement is open decision-making. Avoiding
 real-time
 communications avoids many possible failures of open
 decision-making.
 (Not, of course, all.) After all, the simplest primrose path here
 is
 two people standing at the intersection of their cubicles. The
 policy
 has always been to sternly warn that the use of real time
 mechanisms
 involves risks of failure, and that failure involves risks of the
 board's blunt instruments being deployed. Does all of this slow
 down
 some processes, and cause some people of limited patience /
 boundless
 energy to get frustrated? Yup, things have costs.
 
 Just writing up the results on the mailing list isn't good enough
 if
 there is no real opportunity for people to question, deliberate,
 and
 change the course of action.
 
 You want to have a bar camp, a con call, a slack discussion, a set
 of
 messages exchanged by carrier pigeon? Then it's up to you to make
 sure
 that you don't end up excluding people from the decision-making
 process.
 

Re: slack

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

(top post)

So, I pinged the nice folks at Slack (and they really are nice!, or at least 
the guy I communicated with), and asked them about:

* open source: No.
* the issue of uncaptured conversations, as Ted D. mentioned (there is a huge 
danger of off-list discussions…). 


To the latter, which James H. of Slack recognised as important, he suggested:

quote

...our new-ish reactions feature:
http://slackhq.com/post/123561085920/reactions
One team I'm in has coopted a particular emoji to flag conversations as 
off-topic – a friendly but brief way to say please take this elsewhere. This 
probably wouldn't work for the social dynamics of every team, but it does work 
in this particular case.

/quote

I further replied that in this case that the technical solution seemed 
interesting but that given the basic nature of the problem (it’s a human 
thing), I’d guess that the solution will necessarily include discipline. 
Cutting off options is going to get increasingly hard and we (Apache) run the 
risk of coming to seem fustian, stodgy, obsolete, old fashioned and everything 
else. Perhaps—as with GitHub—discipline and then yet more recognition of the 
importance of inclusive community, is the ticket.
louis


 On 07 Aug 15, at 06:13, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote:
 
 We use it to communicate with people in all parts of the world. US, South 
 America, Several European
 countries, Asia. So I'd say it's pretty global.
 
 Uli
 
 On 06.08.15 19:24, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
 Hi,
 I’m curious who here also uses Slack. Besides me, that is. 
 
 One thing I’m interested in is, How global is its reach? 
 
 -louis
 

Re: slack

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

 On 08 Aug 15, at 17:17, Jay Vyas jayunit100.apa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 the asf uses slack and hip hat and atlassian already so the open source 
 debate is moot, right?  

Yes. The virtue of open source, here, would also lie in being able to do open 
source-things, like contribute modules freely that we could then use freely. 
Slack does make its API public, so one could create modules that satisfy our 
community interests, anyway, I suppose.


 People will use the best tools for the job and so that should be the focus.  
 I'm neutral on slack vs irc, but I think if growing the ASF is important 
 slack will be of major benefit.

That’s partly it. I use IRC, too—and have since college. But mention IRC to 
most people, even devs who’ve been in the business a while, and you are likely 
now to get blank stares. C’est la vie.

louis
 
 
 On Aug 8, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 (top post)
 
 So, I pinged the nice folks at Slack (and they really are nice!, or at least 
 the guy I communicated with), and asked them about:
 
 * open source: No.
 * the issue of uncaptured conversations, as Ted D. mentioned (there is a 
 huge danger of off-list discussions…). 
 
 
 To the latter, which James H. of Slack recognised as important, he suggested:
 
 quote
 
 ...our new-ish reactions feature:
 http://slackhq.com/post/123561085920/reactions
 One team I'm in has coopted a particular emoji to flag conversations as 
 off-topic – a friendly but brief way to say please take this elsewhere. 
 This probably wouldn't work for the social dynamics of every team, but it 
 does work in this particular case.
 
 /quote
 
 I further replied that in this case that the technical solution seemed 
 interesting but that given the basic nature of the problem (it’s a human 
 thing), I’d guess that the solution will necessarily include discipline. 
 Cutting off options is going to get increasingly hard and we (Apache) run 
 the risk of coming to seem fustian, stodgy, obsolete, old fashioned and 
 everything else. Perhaps—as with GitHub—discipline and then yet more 
 recognition of the importance of inclusive community, is the ticket.
 louis
 
 
 On 07 Aug 15, at 06:13, Ulrich Stärk u...@spielviel.de wrote:
 
 We use it to communicate with people in all parts of the world. US, South 
 America, Several European
 countries, Asia. So I'd say it's pretty global.
 
 Uli
 
 On 06.08.15 19:24, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
 Hi,
 I’m curious who here also uses Slack. Besides me, that is. 
 
 One thing I’m interested in is, How global is its reach? 
 
 -louis
 

slack

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
I’m curious who here also uses Slack. Besides me, that is. 

One thing I’m interested in is, How global is its reach? 

-louis

Re: Standards for mail archive statistics gathering?

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

 On 05 May 2015, at 07:33, Boris Baldassari castalia.laborat...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Folks,
 
 Sorry for the late answer on this thread. Don't know what has been done since 
 then, but I've some experience to share on this, so here are my 2c..
 
 * Parsing dates and time zones:
 If you are to use Perl, the Date::Parse module handles dates and time zones 
 pretty well. As for Python I don't know -- there probably is a module for 
 that too..
 I used Date::Parse to parse ASF mboxes (notably for Ant and JMeter, the data 
 sets have been published here [0]), and it worked great. I do have a Perl 
 script to do that, which I can provide -- but I have no access I'm aware of 
 in the dev scm, and not sure if Perl is the most common language here.. so 
 please let me know.
 
 * Parsing mboxes for software repository data mining:
 There is a suite of tools exactly targeted at this kind of duty on github: 
 Metrics Grimoire [1], developed (and used) by Bitergia [2]. I don't know how 
 they manage time zones, but the toolsuite is widely used around (see [3] or 
 [4] as examples) so I believe they are quite robust. It includes tools for 
 data retrieval as well as visualisation.
 
 * As for the feedback/thoughts about the architecture and formats:
 I love the REST-API idea proposed by Rob. That's really easy to access and 
 retrieve through scripts on-demand. CSV and JSON are my favourite formats, 
 because they are, again, easy to parse and widely used -- every language and 
 library has some facility to read them natively.

I have to endorse Bitergia, too. If they don’t immediately have what is wanted, 
they are likely to be interested in working on it. But you know this, I’m 
guessing.

louis

 
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 [0] http://castalia.solutions/datasets/
 [1] https://metricsgrimoire.github.io/
 [2] http://bitergia.com
 [3] Eclipse Dashboard: http://dashboard.eclipse.org/
 [4] OpenStack Dashboard: http://activity.openstack.org/dash/browser/
 
 
 
 --
 Boris Baldassari
 Castalia Solutions -- Elegant Software Engineering
 Web: http://castalia.solutions
 Phone: +33 6 48 03 82 89
 
 
 Le 28/04/2015 16:11, Rich Bowen a écrit :
 
 
 On 04/27/2015 09:36 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
 I'm interested in working on some visualizations of mailing list
 activity over time, in particular some simple analyses, like thread
 length/participants and the like.  Given that the raw data can all be
 precomputed from mbox archives, is there any semi-standard way to
 distill and save metadata about mboxes?
 
 If we had a generic static database of past mail metadata and statistics
 (i.e. not details of contents, but perhaps overall # of lines of text or
 something), it would be interesting to see what kinds of visualizations
 that different people would come up with.
 
 Anyone have pointers to either a data format or the best parsing library
 for this?  I'm trying to think ahead, and work on the parsing, storing
 statistics, and visualizations as separate pieces so it's easier for
 different people to collaborate on something.
 
 Roberto posted something to the list a month or so ago about the efforts 
 that he's been working on for this kind of thing. You might ping him.
 
 --Rich
 
 
 



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Re: Apache Way talks

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

 On 14-02-2015, at 14:03, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
 Louis, for independent data see 
 http://openlife.cc/blogs/2010/november/how-grow-your-open-source-project-10x-and-revenues-5x
 
 This isn't about the ASF but about foundations in general.
 
 Sent from my Windows Phone

Thanks Ross. I have not gone over the documents you cite; I used to use a 
different set, but that was then…./ Marking the value of community has always 
been difficult, as we all know. Especially when the need is to put it in terms 
that satisfy bean counters. (Even Santa Bitergia may not help us.)


louis
 
 From: Louis Suárez-Pottsmailto:lui...@gmail.com
 Sent: ‎2/‎14/‎2015 9:48 AM
 To: dev@community.apache.orgmailto:dev@community.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Apache Way talks
 
 
 On 14-02-2015, at 11:47, Nick Burch n...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
 There is value in these sessions, some people are completely new and we 
 probably should still schedule them. However, I think we ought to do some 
 new stuff along the lines of:
 
 How is the ASF different from other foundations?
 Why should I bring my project to Apache?
 How can I get paid to work on Apache projects?
 How do I build a business around apache software?
 Why doesn't the ASF pay for software development?
 Why, after 15 years, do people see the ASF as a desirable place to take 
 software?
 Why does the ASF have a reputation for bureaucracy amongst the younger 
 GitHub crowd?
 Just what rules are immutable in the ASF?
 
 Looks a great list to me!
 
 My only comment is that these look like the titles of all the sessions from 
 a Community Track[1], rather than the parts of an abstract for just one 
 talk. Is that what you had in mind? Or do you think we can really fit all of 
 that into a single session?
 
 Nick
 
 [1] Or even a whole conference! Say, called something like Transfer
   Summit? ;-)
 
 are there easily available data showing the benefits of plunking a project in 
 Apache? One could also use, I’d imagine, other measures of ecosystem 
 robustness. Basically, some measure or set thereof that illustrates the 
 comparative benefit of Apache—?
 
 Louis
 

Re: http://vps2.semesterofcode.com/ (something like GSoC)

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Jan,

 On 09-02-2015, at 03:36, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 For info I have registred ASF at vps2, so we can create projects.
 
 The principle is much the same as GSoC, the biggest difference is that
 students
 get academic points instead of money.
 
 If anybody wants to register a project (we are a bit late for this spring),
 please contact me, and
 I will add you to ASF in vps2.
 
 If somebody wants to be a organisation admin (for ASF), please sent me an
 email, currently I am the only volunteer.
 
 rgds
 jan i.

I’d like to find out more. I read over the link—thanks! I’d not known about 
it—and would be happy to volunteer admin hours, but not sure what is required. 
I have previously managed GSoC at OOo, as well as our own better funded 
equivalents. But each programme differs.

For instance, this one obviously presents itself as an occasion for outreach.

louis

Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,

 On 14 Jan 2015, at 06:48, Daniel Gruno humbed...@apache.org wrote:
 
 I have been working on a proposal that follows these ideas, which is 
 available for preview at http://projects.apache.pw/ for those interested. 
 Only the first two tabs in the menu currently work (and the extensive search 
 feature), but that is still most of what the old site has and then some. I am 
 pondering on moving some of the front page stuff to the 'Timelines' tab 
 instead, feedback is appreciated on this.
 
 So, comments, feedback, questions, anything is most welcome, especially 
 comments on whether you:
 1) think comdev should be responsible for the projects directory
 2) think the proposal looks good/swell/nifty/whatever.

Thanks, Daniel.

I would agree that absent a special project dedicated to the website, comdev 
seems logical. Presumably comdev has the resources? Meaning people with skills, 
including those related to design, universal access (i.e., accessibility), and 
the likelihood that whatever is begun will be able to be maintained by whomever 
comes after? 

-louis

Re: A maturity model for Apache projects

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

 On 6 Jan 2015, at 14:48, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On 06/01/2015 Daniel Gruno wrote:
 projects unfortunately have a tendency to use their private lists for
 much more than committer votes and security issues, which I find is bad
 practice.
 
 If you as a project had a competitor, possibly a proprietary one, would you 
 discuss marketing strategy in public? Would you expect the same from your 
 competitor? This is a purely theoretical issue, but some projects might be 
 facing it. I don't have a clear-cut answer here. Maybe the answer is yes, but 
 in practice journalists expect to use confidential channels. So 
 press/marketing strategy might, and I repeat might, be among the discussions 
 allowed on the private list. Marketing activities instead, as opposed to 
 strategy, must surely be discussed on public lists.
 
 Regards,
  Andrea.

This is a good question and one that’s been raised repeatedly over the course 
of open source’s fairly brief lifetime by OpenOffice, Mozilla (as far as I 
know), and other, less obvious projects. There’s no single, right answer. But 
Andrae hits a crucial point. It’s the relationship with the journalist that 
actually matters. But not all journalists want “secrets.” But they do expect 
interesting news. And they are trained (and their editors demand) “news” that 
is new, if not otherwise compelling and interesting.

But that does not mean that “news” must only concern the product features, etc. 
It can also be about the community process, about other “interesting” elements. 
“Interesting” lies, too, as much in the facts as in the narrative connecting 
them. And these elements can in fact be made public. Actually, they gain for 
being public, for asserting publicness.

louis

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi

this is a whimsical post. (also a top post)
But here’s a cute code of conduct video.

http://goo.gl/UZF7CW


 On 20 Dec 2014, at 15:14, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On 20 December 2014 at 20:55, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 On 20 Dec 2014, at 09:50, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
 
 This is great and, as noted, long overdue. Although the code
 itself simply codifies what had been the tribal knowledge
 of the ASF, and how we'd expected people to behave, NOT having
 it written down was pretty sad.
 
 Thx to all for making it happen.
 
 On Dec 20, 2014, at 6:33 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There are some useful links in the CoC blog:
 
 
 https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/asf_publishes_long_overdue_code
 
 For example,
 Ashe Dryden's introductory resource for learning more about how Codes
 of Conduct can help
 
 Perhaps these should be added to the ASF CoC page at
 
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html
 
 
 So, now that it is written down—great—does this mean then that we will be
 asking all new projects (and podlings and everything else) to obligatorily
 review it? As part of the Apache Way? That is, what is the relationship
 between this CoC and the Apache Way from the perspective of the new member
 to Apache?
 
 
 maybe I see it wrong, but to me a code of conduct is more a guideline
 than an actual rulebook. It is a description of how we would like to
 interact with other, and therefore not something that should be used as
 you did not follow the code of conduct, so now I take action.
 
 I think it is important to see both the apache way and code of conduct
 as guidelines, not something formulated by lawyers to stand up in court.
 
 So in essence we should all be aware of what the intention is and that
 includes podlings coming to apache.
 
 rgds
 jan i.
 
 
 Louis

Re: Code of Conduct - links to why they are needed etc

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

Hi,
 On 20 Dec 2014, at 09:50, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
 
 This is great and, as noted, long overdue. Although the code
 itself simply codifies what had been the tribal knowledge
 of the ASF, and how we'd expected people to behave, NOT having
 it written down was pretty sad.
 
 Thx to all for making it happen.
 
 On Dec 20, 2014, at 6:33 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There are some useful links in the CoC blog:
 
 https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/asf_publishes_long_overdue_code
 
 For example,
 Ashe Dryden's introductory resource for learning more about how Codes
 of Conduct can help
 
 Perhaps these should be added to the ASF CoC page at
 
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html
 

So, now that it is written down—great—does this mean then that we will be 
asking all new projects (and podlings and everything else) to obligatorily 
review it? As part of the Apache Way? That is, what is the relationship between 
this CoC and the Apache Way from the perspective of the new member to Apache? 

Louis