Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) Next Steps
Dear Ted and Ross, Thanks so much for your kind inputs and guidance. The idea behind having this hierarchy was to manage the smooth functioning of the ALC chapters and to address the following responsibilities. -- New ALC Chapter formation As mentioned, if ALC chapter doesn't exist in any town, the interested volunteer can contact ALC management committee. -- Reporting by ALC chapters To track the status, progress, and impact created by ALC chapter, the plan was, the ALC chapter will submit the status report to the ALC management committee in every three months. -- Guidance to ALC chapters The ALC chapters may have various queries and need guidance on topics like, like types of events that can be organized, how to organize any event, the format of the report to be submitted, etc. The idea was the ALC management committee will guide on this to ALC chapters. With your comments and suggestions, it makes sense to me that "we should be able to manage these things within ComDev and/or VP Conferences." So, I am now inclined towards, proceeding with the existing Apache structure and no longer need proposed 'Organizational Hierarchy'. We (ComDev) team can manage all the stuff mentioned above. Thanks again for sharing your valuable time! Best regards, Swapnil M Mane, www.apache.org On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 7:20 AM Ross Gardler wrote: > +1 > > ASF is a flat organization - by design. This proposal adds a level of > hierarchy without justifying the need for it. > > If people are unable to conduct the business of this proposed structure > within ComDev and/or VP Conferences then fix that, don't work around it. > > So, as Ted asks "Why is all this organizational hierarchy needed?" > > Ross > > > From: Ted Dunning > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 6:38 PM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Subject: Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) Next Steps > > > This ALC stuff looks like a way to have local meetups. > > Why is all this organizational hierarchy needed? > > Why not just have meetups? > > On 2019/08/01 13:29:41, Swapnil M Mane wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Hope you are doing good. > > Thanks, everyone who shared their kind thoughts on ALC proposal [1]. > > > > As a next step, we have documented various information, which will help > us > > in bringing ALC in action. > > > > # 1. ALC home page > > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FApache%2BLocal%2BCommunity%2B-%2BALCdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061433531sdata=yXuLVZhp%2F%2Fieoq%2FUww1ImL9yBz2%2Fur6%2BJePP9FI7CLg%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > This is the root wiki document for ALC and contains the following > > information > > -- About ALC > > -- ALC Roles and Responsibility > > -- How ALC Chapter will be formed > > -- Benefits of ALC > > -- Code of conduct > > -- Addition information > > -- Contact ALC > > > > # 2. ALC Resources > > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BResourcesdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061433531sdata=f8wsjmAxOvPURcR9%2B7dlcnbxKIkx9fFy%2BGpU%2BPzbEc4%3Dreserved=0 > > > > This document is used for collecting the information and resources > > (presentations, media, etc.) that will be helpful for ALC chapters. > > Currently, contain the following information > > -- Types of events organized by ALC Chapters > > -- Venue for the event > > -- Topics for the session > > > > # 3. ALC Chapters > > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BChaptersdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539sdata=ZxM8gqhpEU3V%2FGxZvFnsphJI5TvFrn2oAIb2O3Wj8nM%3Dreserved=0 > > > > This wiki contains all the ALC Chapters detail. > > > > ## 3.1 ALC Indore > > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BIndoredata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539sdata=kUlZcS7BLOV%2FUUtemIT3DWdHeJrhXB0VigAzhFRG9Co%3Dreserved=0 > > > > Each ALC Chapter will have its own wiki, which will contain details > > specific to that ALC Chapter. Since I am with Pranay Pandey starting the > > ALC Indore Chapter, thus created a wiki page for ALC Indore. > &g
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) Next Steps
+1 ASF is a flat organization - by design. This proposal adds a level of hierarchy without justifying the need for it. If people are unable to conduct the business of this proposed structure within ComDev and/or VP Conferences then fix that, don't work around it. So, as Ted asks "Why is all this organizational hierarchy needed?" Ross From: Ted Dunning Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 6:38 PM To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) Next Steps This ALC stuff looks like a way to have local meetups. Why is all this organizational hierarchy needed? Why not just have meetups? On 2019/08/01 13:29:41, Swapnil M Mane wrote: > Dear all, > > Hope you are doing good. > Thanks, everyone who shared their kind thoughts on ALC proposal [1]. > > As a next step, we have documented various information, which will help us > in bringing ALC in action. > > # 1. ALC home page > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FApache%2BLocal%2BCommunity%2B-%2BALCdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061433531sdata=yXuLVZhp%2F%2Fieoq%2FUww1ImL9yBz2%2Fur6%2BJePP9FI7CLg%3Dreserved=0 > > > This is the root wiki document for ALC and contains the following > information > -- About ALC > -- ALC Roles and Responsibility > -- How ALC Chapter will be formed > -- Benefits of ALC > -- Code of conduct > -- Addition information > -- Contact ALC > > # 2. ALC Resources > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BResourcesdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061433531sdata=f8wsjmAxOvPURcR9%2B7dlcnbxKIkx9fFy%2BGpU%2BPzbEc4%3Dreserved=0 > > This document is used for collecting the information and resources > (presentations, media, etc.) that will be helpful for ALC chapters. > Currently, contain the following information > -- Types of events organized by ALC Chapters > -- Venue for the event > -- Topics for the session > > # 3. ALC Chapters > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BChaptersdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539sdata=ZxM8gqhpEU3V%2FGxZvFnsphJI5TvFrn2oAIb2O3Wj8nM%3Dreserved=0 > > This wiki contains all the ALC Chapters detail. > > ## 3.1 ALC Indore > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BIndoredata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539sdata=kUlZcS7BLOV%2FUUtemIT3DWdHeJrhXB0VigAzhFRG9Co%3Dreserved=0 > > Each ALC Chapter will have its own wiki, which will contain details > specific to that ALC Chapter. Since I am with Pranay Pandey starting the > ALC Indore Chapter, thus created a wiki page for ALC Indore. > Other chapters will also create their own wiki page. > > ### 3.1.1 ALC Indore Events > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BIndore%2BEventsdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539sdata=eUJU%2BzGYHeEm%2Bp2k6%2Fomc2rKZ8JIUsSK0BgxP4xQY%2Bo%3Dreserved=0 > > This document contains information about upcoming and past events organized > by ALC Indore Chapter. > > ### 3.1.2 ALC Indore Reports > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FALC%2BIndore%2BReportsdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539sdata=rcnZlOOmSb4iDniQ0CeqcF94czggtw%2BcxKRsgVrZm%2BI%3Dreserved=0 > > The ALC Chapter shares the status report to the ALC Management Committee in > every two months. This wiki contains these reports. The report includes > details on the activities performed by the ALC Chapter and its impact. > > # 4 Reports > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDEV%2FReportsdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5e171914f2b74a7239bf08d71a0ec644%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637006523061443539sdata=yBMLzbVaCKpCujIdcpMUOhq3CyJVxiScMG8lu10ytjw%3Dreserved=0 > > This wiki contains the details of all the report shared to ALC Management > Committee by ALC Chapters. > > # 5 Organizational Hierarchy > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcwiki.apache.org%2Fconfluence%2Fdisplay%2FCOMDE
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) Next Steps
This ALC stuff looks like a way to have local meetups. Why is all this organizational hierarchy needed? Why not just have meetups? On 2019/08/01 13:29:41, Swapnil M Mane wrote: > Dear all, > > Hope you are doing good. > Thanks, everyone who shared their kind thoughts on ALC proposal [1]. > > As a next step, we have documented various information, which will help us > in bringing ALC in action. > > # 1. ALC home page > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC > > > This is the root wiki document for ALC and contains the following > information > -- About ALC > -- ALC Roles and Responsibility > -- How ALC Chapter will be formed > -- Benefits of ALC > -- Code of conduct > -- Addition information > -- Contact ALC > > # 2. ALC Resources > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Resources > > This document is used for collecting the information and resources > (presentations, media, etc.) that will be helpful for ALC chapters. > Currently, contain the following information > -- Types of events organized by ALC Chapters > -- Venue for the event > -- Topics for the session > > # 3. ALC Chapters > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Chapters > > This wiki contains all the ALC Chapters detail. > > ## 3.1 ALC Indore > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Indore > > Each ALC Chapter will have its own wiki, which will contain details > specific to that ALC Chapter. Since I am with Pranay Pandey starting the > ALC Indore Chapter, thus created a wiki page for ALC Indore. > Other chapters will also create their own wiki page. > > ### 3.1.1 ALC Indore Events > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Indore+Events > > This document contains information about upcoming and past events organized > by ALC Indore Chapter. > > ### 3.1.2 ALC Indore Reports > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Indore+Reports > > The ALC Chapter shares the status report to the ALC Management Committee in > every two months. This wiki contains these reports. The report includes > details on the activities performed by the ALC Chapter and its impact. > > # 4 Reports > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Reports > > This wiki contains the details of all the report shared to ALC Management > Committee by ALC Chapters. > > # 5 Organizational Hierarchy > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Organizational+Hierarchy > > This document details the Organizational Hierarchy structure for working of > Apache Local Community. > *Important Note* - This document is under review by Apache Community > Development PMC and not finalized yet. The ComDev PMC will take the final > decision on this. > > So, here is the documented hierarchy managed in confluence. > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC > > Apache Local Community - ALC (Home page) > | ALC Resources > | ALC Chapters >| ALC Indore > | ALC Indore Events > | ALC Indore Reports > | [other ALC Chapter will for same hierarchy as ALC > Indore] > | Reports > | Organizational Hierarchy > > > Please have a look at this and share your valuable thoughts. > Please feel free to comments, we will be happy to incorporate your > suggestions in the ALC. > > [1] https://s.apache.org/t6nxd > > > Best regards, > Swapnil M Mane, > www.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Apache Local Community (ALC) Next Steps
Dear all, Hope you are doing good. Thanks, everyone who shared their kind thoughts on ALC proposal [1]. As a next step, we have documented various information, which will help us in bringing ALC in action. # 1. ALC home page https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC This is the root wiki document for ALC and contains the following information -- About ALC -- ALC Roles and Responsibility -- How ALC Chapter will be formed -- Benefits of ALC -- Code of conduct -- Addition information -- Contact ALC # 2. ALC Resources https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Resources This document is used for collecting the information and resources (presentations, media, etc.) that will be helpful for ALC chapters. Currently, contain the following information -- Types of events organized by ALC Chapters -- Venue for the event -- Topics for the session # 3. ALC Chapters https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Chapters This wiki contains all the ALC Chapters detail. ## 3.1 ALC Indore https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Indore Each ALC Chapter will have its own wiki, which will contain details specific to that ALC Chapter. Since I am with Pranay Pandey starting the ALC Indore Chapter, thus created a wiki page for ALC Indore. Other chapters will also create their own wiki page. ### 3.1.1 ALC Indore Events https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Indore+Events This document contains information about upcoming and past events organized by ALC Indore Chapter. ### 3.1.2 ALC Indore Reports https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Indore+Reports The ALC Chapter shares the status report to the ALC Management Committee in every two months. This wiki contains these reports. The report includes details on the activities performed by the ALC Chapter and its impact. # 4 Reports https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Reports This wiki contains the details of all the report shared to ALC Management Committee by ALC Chapters. # 5 Organizational Hierarchy https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Organizational+Hierarchy This document details the Organizational Hierarchy structure for working of Apache Local Community. *Important Note* - This document is under review by Apache Community Development PMC and not finalized yet. The ComDev PMC will take the final decision on this. So, here is the documented hierarchy managed in confluence. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC Apache Local Community - ALC (Home page) | ALC Resources | ALC Chapters | ALC Indore | ALC Indore Events | ALC Indore Reports | [other ALC Chapter will for same hierarchy as ALC Indore] | Reports | Organizational Hierarchy Please have a look at this and share your valuable thoughts. Please feel free to comments, we will be happy to incorporate your suggestions in the ALC. [1] https://s.apache.org/t6nxd Best regards, Swapnil M Mane, www.apache.org
