Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
Appoliges. My spam folder seems to be getting over zealous. I need to do some work on that thanks for flagging. --- Sent from my phone, you know what that means - sorry From: Rich Bowen Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 11:26:54 AM To: dev@community.apache.org ; Ross Gardler Cc: Sharan Foga Subject: Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative On 12/6/19 1:15 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > There should not be a discussion on a prepare list. Please bring that > discussion here. This is a core part of the Apache Way. The discussion is now actively ongoing, on this list. And Swapnil (and others) are participating in that thread. The private thread has ceased, and almost everything that was said there has now been repeated here, in public. I started the private thread, and I have apologized for doing so. We do, indeed, have a pattern of, as Greg recently said, retreating to the private list to avoid controversy. The reminders are always needed, and appreciated. > > From: Swapnil M Mane > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:06:31 AM > To: dev > Cc: Sharan Foga > Subject: Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative > > Thank you so much Issac and Rich for sharing your kind thoughts. > I have read your every input minutely and started a discussion on the > private ComDev list, will keep you posted. > > Thanks again! > > Best regards, > Swapnil M Mane, > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.apache.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C3a9e45c8bfb741d0ad0808d77a82430e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637112572193814046sdata=%2FMfSJoWgQMRuLEjmhge5AmTBs%2B%2FyuB2trChrNNzLGpo%3Dreserved=0<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C3a9e45c8bfb741d0ad0808d77a82430e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637112572193814046sdata=s1J6TMmZ2ZI5OsH%2FQZeSdwkcIjlDxHQiE36g9rBVeHM%3Dreserved=0> > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:14 AM Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> While I'm excited to see this kind of local ambassador program springing >> up, I want to be sure that we are not having people use the Apache name >> to promote messages that are not *our* message. >> >> Having local groups of enthusiasts having periodic meetings is great. >> What I'm asking is what assurances we want to have in place that the >> messaging at these events is accurate? >> >> In the past, when we have had an official (for whatever value of >> "official" we want to go with) Apache-sponsored thing, we require a >> member to be involved, so that we know that the message is from someone >> who actually knows what the message is. What I'm seeing here is a >> free-form "create a group by asking nicely" without any member, or even >> committer involved. And the events, and their messaging, are then being >> promoted on an .apache.org website, which means that they are an >> official statement of the Foundation. >> >> I'm feeling a little weird about that. >> >> I agree with Isaac, in that we don't want to set up a lengthy list of >> rules for who and how and what, I think that we need to be cautious >> about handing out our name, and our reputation, to just anybody that >> asks for it. Indeed, it's really kind of critical that we don't. Our >> name, and our reputation, are really the only things that we have, and >> we simply cannot have unaffiliated groups using our name to promote >> messages that are not Approved By Apache. >> >> Please note that I'm not saying that this has happened thus far. I don't >> know that, having not attended any of these events. But we have a long >> history of people using our name to promote their own agendas, and we >> *must* not allow that. >> >> >> On 11/19/19 1:24 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: >>> Hi All >>> >>> Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the >>> threads. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational >>> hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there >>> was the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP >>> Conferences. >>> >>> I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup >>> type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. >>> >>> So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC >>> initiative. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting >>> the initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already >>> >>> - announce the ALC as an init
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
On 12/6/19 1:15 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: There should not be a discussion on a prepare list. Please bring that discussion here. This is a core part of the Apache Way. The discussion is now actively ongoing, on this list. And Swapnil (and others) are participating in that thread. The private thread has ceased, and almost everything that was said there has now been repeated here, in public. I started the private thread, and I have apologized for doing so. We do, indeed, have a pattern of, as Greg recently said, retreating to the private list to avoid controversy. The reminders are always needed, and appreciated. From: Swapnil M Mane Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:06:31 AM To: dev Cc: Sharan Foga Subject: Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative Thank you so much Issac and Rich for sharing your kind thoughts. I have read your every input minutely and started a discussion on the private ComDev list, will keep you posted. Thanks again! Best regards, Swapnil M Mane, www.apache.org<http://www.apache.org> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:14 AM Rich Bowen wrote: While I'm excited to see this kind of local ambassador program springing up, I want to be sure that we are not having people use the Apache name to promote messages that are not *our* message. Having local groups of enthusiasts having periodic meetings is great. What I'm asking is what assurances we want to have in place that the messaging at these events is accurate? In the past, when we have had an official (for whatever value of "official" we want to go with) Apache-sponsored thing, we require a member to be involved, so that we know that the message is from someone who actually knows what the message is. What I'm seeing here is a free-form "create a group by asking nicely" without any member, or even committer involved. And the events, and their messaging, are then being promoted on an .apache.org website, which means that they are an official statement of the Foundation. I'm feeling a little weird about that. I agree with Isaac, in that we don't want to set up a lengthy list of rules for who and how and what, I think that we need to be cautious about handing out our name, and our reputation, to just anybody that asks for it. Indeed, it's really kind of critical that we don't. Our name, and our reputation, are really the only things that we have, and we simply cannot have unaffiliated groups using our name to promote messages that are not Approved By Apache. Please note that I'm not saying that this has happened thus far. I don't know that, having not attended any of these events. But we have a long history of people using our name to promote their own agendas, and we *must* not allow that. On 11/19/19 1:24 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: Hi All Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the threads. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there was the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP Conferences. I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC initiative. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting the initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already - announce the ALC as an initiative (Swapnil we can probably create this from your emails about it. Can you draft something? ) - promote the next event (include it on the Events calendar, tweet via @ApacheCommunity and include a reminder on ComDev) -plan for future events (ALC Indore seems to be having events every 1 - 2 months, so let's put them on the calendar and prepare for it.) - funding (I am not sure if ALC is getting any funding as part of ASF small events, or it is being covered from a third party.? BTW ComDev also has a budget that could be used to help with stickers, swag etc) - grow the ALC community (several people said they were interested in setting up other ALCs but so far none have. This could be because of the lack of announcement of the initiative - so lets focus on that first) I'm happy to get feedback and comments on this so please feel free to respond if you have any ideas or suggestions. Thanks Sharan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com http://rcbowen.com/ @rbowen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org --
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
There should not be a discussion on a prepare list. Please bring that discussion here. This is a core part of the Apache Way. --- Sent from my phone, you know what that means - sorry From: Swapnil M Mane Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:06:31 AM To: dev Cc: Sharan Foga Subject: Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative Thank you so much Issac and Rich for sharing your kind thoughts. I have read your every input minutely and started a discussion on the private ComDev list, will keep you posted. Thanks again! Best regards, Swapnil M Mane, www.apache.org<http://www.apache.org> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:14 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > While I'm excited to see this kind of local ambassador program springing > up, I want to be sure that we are not having people use the Apache name > to promote messages that are not *our* message. > > Having local groups of enthusiasts having periodic meetings is great. > What I'm asking is what assurances we want to have in place that the > messaging at these events is accurate? > > In the past, when we have had an official (for whatever value of > "official" we want to go with) Apache-sponsored thing, we require a > member to be involved, so that we know that the message is from someone > who actually knows what the message is. What I'm seeing here is a > free-form "create a group by asking nicely" without any member, or even > committer involved. And the events, and their messaging, are then being > promoted on an .apache.org website, which means that they are an > official statement of the Foundation. > > I'm feeling a little weird about that. > > I agree with Isaac, in that we don't want to set up a lengthy list of > rules for who and how and what, I think that we need to be cautious > about handing out our name, and our reputation, to just anybody that > asks for it. Indeed, it's really kind of critical that we don't. Our > name, and our reputation, are really the only things that we have, and > we simply cannot have unaffiliated groups using our name to promote > messages that are not Approved By Apache. > > Please note that I'm not saying that this has happened thus far. I don't > know that, having not attended any of these events. But we have a long > history of people using our name to promote their own agendas, and we > *must* not allow that. > > > On 11/19/19 1:24 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: > > Hi All > > > > Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the > > threads. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational > > hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there > > was the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP > > Conferences. > > > > I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup > > type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. > > > > So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC > > initiative. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting > > the initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already > > > > - announce the ALC as an initiative (Swapnil we can probably create this > > from your emails about it. Can you draft something? ) > > - promote the next event (include it on the Events calendar, tweet via > > @ApacheCommunity and include a reminder on ComDev) > > -plan for future events (ALC Indore seems to be having events every 1 - > > 2 months, so let's put them on the calendar and prepare for it.) > > - funding (I am not sure if ALC is getting any funding as part of ASF > > small events, or it is being covered from a third party.? BTW ComDev also > > has a budget that could be used to help with stickers, swag etc) > > - grow the ALC community (several people said they were interested in > > setting up other ALCs but so far none have. This could be because of the > > lack of announcement of the initiative - so lets focus on that first) > > > > I'm happy to get feedback and comments on this so please feel free to > > respond if you have any ideas or suggestions. > > > > Thanks > > Sharan > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com > http://rcbowen.com/ > @rbowen > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
Thank you so much Issac and Rich for sharing your kind thoughts. I have read your every input minutely and started a discussion on the private ComDev list, will keep you posted. Thanks again! Best regards, Swapnil M Mane, www.apache.org On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 12:14 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > While I'm excited to see this kind of local ambassador program springing > up, I want to be sure that we are not having people use the Apache name > to promote messages that are not *our* message. > > Having local groups of enthusiasts having periodic meetings is great. > What I'm asking is what assurances we want to have in place that the > messaging at these events is accurate? > > In the past, when we have had an official (for whatever value of > "official" we want to go with) Apache-sponsored thing, we require a > member to be involved, so that we know that the message is from someone > who actually knows what the message is. What I'm seeing here is a > free-form "create a group by asking nicely" without any member, or even > committer involved. And the events, and their messaging, are then being > promoted on an .apache.org website, which means that they are an > official statement of the Foundation. > > I'm feeling a little weird about that. > > I agree with Isaac, in that we don't want to set up a lengthy list of > rules for who and how and what, I think that we need to be cautious > about handing out our name, and our reputation, to just anybody that > asks for it. Indeed, it's really kind of critical that we don't. Our > name, and our reputation, are really the only things that we have, and > we simply cannot have unaffiliated groups using our name to promote > messages that are not Approved By Apache. > > Please note that I'm not saying that this has happened thus far. I don't > know that, having not attended any of these events. But we have a long > history of people using our name to promote their own agendas, and we > *must* not allow that. > > > On 11/19/19 1:24 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: > > Hi All > > > > Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the > > threads. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational > > hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there > > was the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP > > Conferences. > > > > I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup > > type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. > > > > So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC > > initiative. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting > > the initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already > > > > - announce the ALC as an initiative (Swapnil we can probably create this > > from your emails about it. Can you draft something? ) > > - promote the next event (include it on the Events calendar, tweet via > > @ApacheCommunity and include a reminder on ComDev) > > -plan for future events (ALC Indore seems to be having events every 1 - > > 2 months, so let's put them on the calendar and prepare for it.) > > - funding (I am not sure if ALC is getting any funding as part of ASF > > small events, or it is being covered from a third party.? BTW ComDev also > > has a budget that could be used to help with stickers, swag etc) > > - grow the ALC community (several people said they were interested in > > setting up other ALCs but so far none have. This could be because of the > > lack of announcement of the initiative - so lets focus on that first) > > > > I'm happy to get feedback and comments on this so please feel free to > > respond if you have any ideas or suggestions. > > > > Thanks > > Sharan > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com > http://rcbowen.com/ > @rbowen > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
While I'm excited to see this kind of local ambassador program springing up, I want to be sure that we are not having people use the Apache name to promote messages that are not *our* message. Having local groups of enthusiasts having periodic meetings is great. What I'm asking is what assurances we want to have in place that the messaging at these events is accurate? In the past, when we have had an official (for whatever value of "official" we want to go with) Apache-sponsored thing, we require a member to be involved, so that we know that the message is from someone who actually knows what the message is. What I'm seeing here is a free-form "create a group by asking nicely" without any member, or even committer involved. And the events, and their messaging, are then being promoted on an .apache.org website, which means that they are an official statement of the Foundation. I'm feeling a little weird about that. I agree with Isaac, in that we don't want to set up a lengthy list of rules for who and how and what, I think that we need to be cautious about handing out our name, and our reputation, to just anybody that asks for it. Indeed, it's really kind of critical that we don't. Our name, and our reputation, are really the only things that we have, and we simply cannot have unaffiliated groups using our name to promote messages that are not Approved By Apache. Please note that I'm not saying that this has happened thus far. I don't know that, having not attended any of these events. But we have a long history of people using our name to promote their own agendas, and we *must* not allow that. On 11/19/19 1:24 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: Hi All Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the threads. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there was the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP Conferences. I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC initiative. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting the initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already - announce the ALC as an initiative (Swapnil we can probably create this from your emails about it. Can you draft something? ) - promote the next event (include it on the Events calendar, tweet via @ApacheCommunity and include a reminder on ComDev) -plan for future events (ALC Indore seems to be having events every 1 - 2 months, so let's put them on the calendar and prepare for it.) - funding (I am not sure if ALC is getting any funding as part of ASF small events, or it is being covered from a third party.? BTW ComDev also has a budget that could be used to help with stickers, swag etc) - grow the ALC community (several people said they were interested in setting up other ALCs but so far none have. This could be because of the lack of announcement of the initiative - so lets focus on that first) I'm happy to get feedback and comments on this so please feel free to respond if you have any ideas or suggestions. Thanks Sharan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org -- Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com http://rcbowen.com/ @rbowen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
On 11/19/2019 8:24 PM, Sharan Foga wrote: Hi All Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the threads. +1 Thanks Swapnil for the amazing effort you put together around this project. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there was the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP Conferences. I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC initiative. Having run community meetups around several projects myself, I'd like to humbly suggest that we consider avoiding "managing" any set of "rules" around this type of activity. In my own experiences, I've found that the flavor of any given meetup is a function of a lot of factors that differ from locale to locale. Available venues, the size/interest of the community (WRT speakers/presentors and attendees), local sponsors (for stuff like venue, pizza/beer, giveaways), the time and resources available to the volunteers who are coordinating a given meetup are just a few examples of such variables. I see ComDev and/or Conferences as resources that *can* be used, but not *must* or even *should* be used. I don't think that the use (or lack thereof) of the resources available to the ASF should be a metric that ComDev is measuring any sort of success (or lack thereof) around. We want to invite and encourage community, but I worry that "managing" will only be a burn-out factor to the individuals who are out there doing the heavy-lifting of organizing the communities out in the field... Rules just make an already potentially difficult task even more difficult. Advice can be freely followed, and just as freely ignored, with no hard feelings either way. Having said that, resources of the ASF, be it funding from the small-events budget, use of ASF branding, use of other resource (like cwiki, for example) - all of those do need some ground rules for usage of to mitigate abuse of... And since those are ASF resources, here I'd agree that there is more need for rules and structure. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting the initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already - announce the ALC as an initiative (Swapnil we can probably create this from your emails about it. Can you draft something? ) Announce to where? And a better question might be "why" - or more accurately "to what purpose do we believe making this announcement will be useful?" Is the assumption that people don't know that it's possible to make their own community events (I kinda think that it's common sense that one could)? Or that there's a new Best Practice for organizing the events (so this is just generic advice in case anyone is doing it already or interested in doing it soon)? Or just that people don't know that ComDev exists to provide assistance (that includes both the advice/support available on-list, and support from the ASF in the form of money, swag, other resources) to those who wish to develop local communities (and so we're just reminding people that these resources and assistance are here)? Or something else? - promote the next event (include it on the Events calendar, tweet via @ApacheCommunity and include a reminder on ComDev) -plan for future events (ALC Indore seems to be having events every 1 - 2 months, so let's put them on the calendar and prepare for it.) - funding (I am not sure if ALC is getting any funding as part of ASF small events, or it is being covered from a third party.? BTW ComDev also has a budget that could be used to help with stickers, swag etc) A budget exists somewhere for this type of events. I don't know who "owns" the budget, and how simple (or complex!) it is to get money out of it in practice. Your local print shop (or pizza place, or supermarket) probably won't issue a PO or accept a wire transfer - but we probably should have a way to make it work. Maybe if we could get away with some electronic means of moving small amounts of money: Google Pay, prepaid credit cards, or the like? Food for thought... - grow the ALC community (several people said they were interested in setting up other ALCs but so far none have. This could be because of the lack of announcement of the initiative - so lets focus on that first) Or it could be lack of round tuits? I'm happy to get feedback and comments on this so please feel free to respond if you have any ideas or suggestions. I hope I provided a bit of both. I also very sincerely hope that everybody - and especially Swapnil who has both invested time and effort into this initiative, AND has a lovely looking group to show for his efforts! - will take the above the way I meant it, as practical
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
Hi Sharan, Please see my comments inline for funding point. On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:54 PM Sharan Foga wrote: > > Hi All > > Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the > threads. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational > hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there was > the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP Conferences. > > I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup > type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. > > So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC > initiative. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting the > initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already > > - announce the ALC as an initiative (Swapnil we can probably create this > from your emails about it. Can you draft something? ) > - promote the next event (include it on the Events calendar, tweet via > @ApacheCommunity and include a reminder on ComDev) > -plan for future events (ALC Indore seems to be having events every 1 - 2 > months, so let's put them on the calendar and prepare for it.) > - funding (I am not sure if ALC is getting any funding as part of ASF small > events, or it is being covered from a third party.? BTW ComDev also has a > budget that could be used to help with stickers, swag etc) Good question, in our last 2 events (and next event in on this Saturday) the fund it covered by third party, and we mentioned them as sponsor because they provide us venue, and all the facilities required like projector, sound system etc. (sometimes even they do catering for the participants). The idea of giving Swags and Stickers to participants is super cool :D And for getting funding as part of ASF small events, I will start a separate discussion on this in future (if required). > - grow the ALC community (several people said they were interested in > setting up other ALCs but so far none have. This could be because of the lack > of announcement of the initiative - so lets focus on that first) > > I'm happy to get feedback and comments on this so please feel free to respond > if you have any ideas or suggestions. > > Thanks > Sharan > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Re: Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
Thanks so much Sharan for your continuous support and guidance to us. I highly appreciate it. Thanks all the actionable items you mentioned, we will work on it step by step. Sure, I will work on the content to officially announce the ALC. @All, Sharan is talking about these mail threads links regarding ALC, which include the proposal, feedback, interest shown by various people, approval, and step by step progress done for setting up the Apache Local Community chapter. https://s.apache.org/ucfo4 https://s.apache.org/bf1m6 https://s.apache.org/zwye0 https://s.apache.org/igdvu Based on all the inputs, we have documented all information the ALC in ComDev wiki https://s.apache.org/alc Best regards, Swapnil M Mane, www.apache.org On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 11:54 PM Sharan Foga wrote: > > Hi All > > Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the > threads. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational > hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there was > the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP Conferences. > > I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup > type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. > > So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC > initiative. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting the > initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already > > - announce the ALC as an initiative (Swapnil we can probably create this > from your emails about it. Can you draft something? ) > - promote the next event (include it on the Events calendar, tweet via > @ApacheCommunity and include a reminder on ComDev) > -plan for future events (ALC Indore seems to be having events every 1 - 2 > months, so let's put them on the calendar and prepare for it.) > - funding (I am not sure if ALC is getting any funding as part of ASF small > events, or it is being covered from a third party.? BTW ComDev also has a > budget that could be used to help with stickers, swag etc) > - grow the ALC community (several people said they were interested in > setting up other ALCs but so far none have. This could be because of the lack > of announcement of the initiative - so lets focus on that first) > > I'm happy to get feedback and comments on this so please feel free to respond > if you have any ideas or suggestions. > > Thanks > Sharan > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
Apache Local Community (ALC) as a ComDev Initiative
Hi All Thanks Swapnil for the links about the ALC and I have re-read through the threads. I remembered sensing some push back on the proposed organisational hierarchy and see that has now been removed. Following on from that there was the comment of ALC being managed either within ComDev or VP Conferences. I dont think this fits with Conferences as it is more like a local meetup type event, which means outreach, which to me means ComDev. So now we need to look at how to manage the integration of the ALC initiative. Based on Sally's feedback that means announcing and promoting the initiative to a wider audience. I can see some key actions already - announce the ALC as an initiative (Swapnil we can probably create this from your emails about it. Can you draft something? ) - promote the next event (include it on the Events calendar, tweet via @ApacheCommunity and include a reminder on ComDev) -plan for future events (ALC Indore seems to be having events every 1 - 2 months, so let's put them on the calendar and prepare for it.) - funding (I am not sure if ALC is getting any funding as part of ASF small events, or it is being covered from a third party.? BTW ComDev also has a budget that could be used to help with stickers, swag etc) - grow the ALC community (several people said they were interested in setting up other ALCs but so far none have. This could be because of the lack of announcement of the initiative - so lets focus on that first) I'm happy to get feedback and comments on this so please feel free to respond if you have any ideas or suggestions. Thanks Sharan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
