RE: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton 
In the case of GSoC mentoring, one needed change is to add the search case 
http://s.apache.org/gsoc2016tasks or maybe a generic 
http://s.apache.org/gsoctasks.

Then the Guide to being a mentor can be updated to match that and not continue 
to mention "gsoc2011".  

This requires adding a public filter to the ASF JIRA and I am not certain who 
has the karma and skills to do that (being on a bugzilla-based project myself 
and my JIRA skills are past their use-by date).

QUESTION #1: If we want to broaden this mentoring of volunteers under other 
conditions, I assume that can be done by additional labelling cases along with 
or separate from any gsoc label.  Yes?

QUESTION #2: For non-GSoC mentoring of volunteers on a bugzilla-reliant 
project, I assume using the special JIRA arrangement and mailing list that has 
been dedicated to GSoC needs an alternative or modification.  We still need a 
generic place for volunteer to be able to look when looking for mentoring, but 
that might guide them to a variety of places.  Are there thoughts on how to 
flex that GSoC-focused arrangement in some manner, or to cross-connect with a 
generic arrangement?

 - Dennis


> -Original Message-
> From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 23:37
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Guiding volunteers
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/05/2016 08:23 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > This focus on tooling is the wrong focus,
> 
> Yeah .. I was going to say ... we could spend weeks down the rat-hole of
> which tool, which tracker, which technology, and we'll lose track of the
> goal.
> 
> Invariably when I travel to events, I get excited about what we could do
> at Apache to get the word out, if only ... and then I get back home and
> real life pushes out those good intentions. Tomorrow is the last day of
> my travels. Perhaps I can get something done today ...
> 
> 
> 
> especially for those of us who don't know how to get started on new
> tooling, or for those who recognize we already have a fine tool for the
> job - we're just not communicating it well.
> >
> > Here are three concreate actions *anyone* with a little time available
> can take today.
> >
> > 1) Update the page at http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-
> mentor.html to be more generic (i.e. not GSOC specific) and reflect the
> goals of this thread (if you don't know how to use the ASF CMS to edit
> our site I've pasted the markdown below, just edit here and someone can
> put it onto the site for you)
> >
> > 2) Pick your favourite project. Drop a mail to the dev list. Explain
> your motivation. Ask them to mark issues according to the guidelines in
> http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html
> >
> > 3) Get the message out to those who need a little guidance that they
> can find such issues in JIRA (there are many ways this can be done, all
> of them are good ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Venkat Raman [mailto:ramanindy...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:55 PM
> > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Guiding volunteers
> >
> > Hi -
> >
> > It would be extremely helpful to have systems like savannah to newbies
> to dive in based on their skill sets and area of interest.I would like
> to contribute as well. But, struggling in the same way as others to get
> started.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Venkat
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/4/2016 10:35 AM, Greg Chase wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> An alternative approach would be a help-wanted page, organized
> >>> according
> >>>> to skills, maintained on the same sort of system as the board
> agenda.
> >>>> Each
> >>>> PMC chair whose project is looking for volunteers would supply
> >>>> information about their needs. The result would be a public web
> page
> >>>> potential volunteers could search.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ideally, it would be on a whimsey-like system, but a start could be
> >>>> made by just defining a format and keeping the master page in a PMC
> >>>> chair accessible SVN archive.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a wonderful idea.  I've been looking for a way to get the
> >>>> various
> >>> incubating communities I'm helping organize recruit new
> contributors.
>

RE: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-06 Thread Ross Gardler 
Q1 - already accounted for ("mentor" label)
Q2- already accounted for (and documented, use ComDev JIRA, sub the issue to 
dev mailing list)

The mentoring docs are already intended to be generic, I.e. Support non GSoC 
mentoring. Though I have no doubt they can be improved.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Dennis E. Hamilton<mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Sent: ‎2/‎6/‎2016 10:20 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Guiding volunteers

In the case of GSoC mentoring, one needed change is to add the search case 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fs.apache.org%2fgsoc2016tasks=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7c4cd6f899105745ba25e108d32f223b14%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=6lNYbRG9lkS2SzgNScAS2V0eqo7zXNlTD0wbkirxFFY%3d
 or maybe a generic 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fs.apache.org%2fgsoctasks.=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7c4cd6f899105745ba25e108d32f223b14%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=hJfc%2bsPUbss9MoEuyDw%2bycYaXAGCzHHzez135tETK4A%3d

Then the Guide to being a mentor can be updated to match that and not continue 
to mention "gsoc2011".

This requires adding a public filter to the ASF JIRA and I am not certain who 
has the karma and skills to do that (being on a bugzilla-based project myself 
and my JIRA skills are past their use-by date).

QUESTION #1: If we want to broaden this mentoring of volunteers under other 
conditions, I assume that can be done by additional labelling cases along with 
or separate from any gsoc label.  Yes?

QUESTION #2: For non-GSoC mentoring of volunteers on a bugzilla-reliant 
project, I assume using the special JIRA arrangement and mailing list that has 
been dedicated to GSoC needs an alternative or modification.  We still need a 
generic place for volunteer to be able to look when looking for mentoring, but 
that might guide them to a variety of places.  Are there thoughts on how to 
flex that GSoC-focused arrangement in some manner, or to cross-connect with a 
generic arrangement?

 - Dennis


> -Original Message-
> From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 23:37
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Guiding volunteers
>
>
>
> On 02/05/2016 08:23 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > This focus on tooling is the wrong focus,
>
> Yeah .. I was going to say ... we could spend weeks down the rat-hole of
> which tool, which tracker, which technology, and we'll lose track of the
> goal.
>
> Invariably when I travel to events, I get excited about what we could do
> at Apache to get the word out, if only ... and then I get back home and
> real life pushes out those good intentions. Tomorrow is the last day of
> my travels. Perhaps I can get something done today ...
>
>
>
> especially for those of us who don't know how to get started on new
> tooling, or for those who recognize we already have a fine tool for the
> job - we're just not communicating it well.
> >
> > Here are three concreate actions *anyone* with a little time available
> can take today.
> >
> > 1) Update the page at 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcommunity.apache.org%2fguide-to-being-a-=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7c4cd6f899105745ba25e108d32f223b14%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=3c30cYtsVivKqFCwuQry%2bjTUYvOco5smiw28P3AOI9E%3d
> mentor.html to be more generic (i.e. not GSOC specific) and reflect the
> goals of this thread (if you don't know how to use the ASF CMS to edit
> our site I've pasted the markdown below, just edit here and someone can
> put it onto the site for you)
> >
> > 2) Pick your favourite project. Drop a mail to the dev list. Explain
> your motivation. Ask them to mark issues according to the guidelines in
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcommunity.apache.org%2fguide-to-being-a-mentor.html=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7c4cd6f899105745ba25e108d32f223b14%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=jzKOdrzMpiM6btUeFMsL4%2b3XpRlR9Z0SLlJCjVYmUHQ%3d
> >
> > 3) Get the message out to those who need a little guidance that they
> can find such issues in JIRA (there are many ways this can be done, all
> of them are good ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Venkat Raman [mailto:ramanindy...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:55 PM
> > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Guiding volunteers
> >
> > Hi -
> >
> > It would be extremely helpful to have systems like savannah to newbies
> to dive in based on their skill sets and area of interest.I would like
> to contribute as well.

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-05 Thread Rich Bowen 


On 02/05/2016 08:23 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> This focus on tooling is the wrong focus, 

Yeah .. I was going to say ... we could spend weeks down the rat-hole of
which tool, which tracker, which technology, and we'll lose track of the
goal.

Invariably when I travel to events, I get excited about what we could do
at Apache to get the word out, if only ... and then I get back home and
real life pushes out those good intentions. Tomorrow is the last day of
my travels. Perhaps I can get something done today ...



especially for those of us who don't know how to get started on new
tooling, or for those who recognize we already have a fine tool for the
job - we're just not communicating it well.
> 
> Here are three concreate actions *anyone* with a little time available can 
> take today.
> 
> 1) Update the page at 
> http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html to be more generic 
> (i.e. not GSOC specific) and reflect the goals of this thread (if you don't 
> know how to use the ASF CMS to edit our site I've pasted the markdown below, 
> just edit here and someone can put it onto the site for you)
> 
> 2) Pick your favourite project. Drop a mail to the dev list. Explain your 
> motivation. Ask them to mark issues according to the guidelines in 
> http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html 
> 
> 3) Get the message out to those who need a little guidance that they can find 
> such issues in JIRA (there are many ways this can be done, all of them are 
> good ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Ross
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Venkat Raman [mailto:ramanindy...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:55 PM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Guiding volunteers
> 
> Hi -
> 
> It would be extremely helpful to have systems like savannah to newbies to 
> dive in based on their skill sets and area of interest.I would like to 
> contribute as well. But, struggling in the same way as others to get started.
> 
> Regards,
> Venkat
> 
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/4/2016 10:35 AM, Greg Chase wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> An alternative approach would be a help-wanted page, organized 
>>> according
>>>> to skills, maintained on the same sort of system as the board agenda.
>>>> Each
>>>> PMC chair whose project is looking for volunteers would supply 
>>>> information about their needs. The result would be a public web page 
>>>> potential volunteers could search.
>>>>
>>>> Ideally, it would be on a whimsey-like system, but a start could be 
>>>> made by just defining a format and keeping the master page in a PMC 
>>>> chair accessible SVN archive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a wonderful idea.  I've been looking for a way to get the 
>>>> various
>>> incubating communities I'm helping organize recruit new contributors.
>>> This
>>> would help solve this problem by making it easier for (p)PMC's to 
>>> articulate what they would like help with from new community members.
>>>
>>> Obviously it would be an adhoc system, and up to projects to fill out 
>>> and keep their want ad's up to date.  Perhaps a rule of the system 
>>> would be that want ads are automatically deleted after a month if 
>>> they aren't visited and renewed by project members to verify they are still 
>>> current.
>>>
>>
>> I like the idea of automatic disappearance, but maybe make it three 
>> months and tie it to the board report cycle - every time a PMC files a 
>> board report, it should also check and update its help wanted.
>>
>>
>>> So basically, I'm volunteering to help here :)
>>>
>>
>> I would also like to help, but don't know how to get something like 
>> this started.
>>
>> Patricia
>>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Venkat Raman. R
> 


-- 
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-05 Thread Tony Stevenson 


> On 5 Feb 2016, at 07:23, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> 
> This focus on tooling is the wrong focus, especially for those of us who 
> don't know how to get started on new tooling, or for those who recognize we 
> already have a fine tool for the job - we're just not communicating it well. 

As much as it might be a tad chagrin - Wordpress will do this kind of 
expiration of posts. It can also be setup so folks can be delegated control 
etc. 

Aside from not choosing tooling - good chat. :) 

> 
> Here are three concreate actions *anyone* with a little time available can 
> take today.
> 
> 1) Update the page at 
> http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html to be more generic 
> (i.e. not GSOC specific) and reflect the goals of this thread (if you don't 
> know how to use the ASF CMS to edit our site I've pasted the markdown below, 
> just edit here and someone can put it onto the site for you)
> 
> 2) Pick your favourite project. Drop a mail to the dev list. Explain your 
> motivation. Ask them to mark issues according to the guidelines in 
> http://community.apache.org/guide-to-being-a-mentor.html 
> 
> 3) Get the message out to those who need a little guidance that they can find 
> such issues in JIRA (there are many ways this can be done, all of them are 
> good ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Ross
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Venkat Raman [mailto:ramanindy...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 7:55 PM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Guiding volunteers
> 
> Hi -
> 
> It would be extremely helpful to have systems like savannah to newbies to 
> dive in based on their skill sets and area of interest.I would like to 
> contribute as well. But, struggling in the same way as others to get started.
> 
> Regards,
> Venkat
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/4/2016 10:35 AM, Greg Chase wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> An alternative approach would be a help-wanted page, organized 
>>> according
>>>> to skills, maintained on the same sort of system as the board agenda.
>>>> Each
>>>> PMC chair whose project is looking for volunteers would supply 
>>>> information about their needs. The result would be a public web page 
>>>> potential volunteers could search.
>>>> 
>>>> Ideally, it would be on a whimsey-like system, but a start could be 
>>>> made by just defining a format and keeping the master page in a PMC 
>>>> chair accessible SVN archive.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This is a wonderful idea.  I've been looking for a way to get the 
>>>> various
>>> incubating communities I'm helping organize recruit new contributors.
>>> This
>>> would help solve this problem by making it easier for (p)PMC's to 
>>> articulate what they would like help with from new community members.
>>> 
>>> Obviously it would be an adhoc system, and up to projects to fill out 
>>> and keep their want ad's up to date.  Perhaps a rule of the system 
>>> would be that want ads are automatically deleted after a month if 
>>> they aren't visited and renewed by project members to verify they are still 
>>> current.
>> 
>> I like the idea of automatic disappearance, but maybe make it three 
>> months and tie it to the board report cycle - every time a PMC files a 
>> board report, it should also check and update its help wanted.
>> 
>> 
>>> So basically, I'm volunteering to help here :)
>> 
>> I would also like to help, but don't know how to get something like 
>> this started.
>> 
>> Patricia
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Venkat Raman. R

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Sergio Fernández 
I used to ignored off-topic (or not so focused) mails to this list. But in
the last months I've change to try to provide a pointer to what people are
actually looking for. Is that find, Rich? What else do you have in mind?

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:

> Several times a month we get people either here, or contacting us
> individually, saying that they want to participate, and we don't do a
> great job of steering them to Good Things.
>
> I'd like to see a list (I don't care about the technology, and simple is
> better) of ideas that people can work on. Things that take 10 minutes.
> Things that take 2 months. Everything in between. People willing to
> mentor and help, but who don't have the time to do it themselves.
>
> I have a list of ideas that I would like to do some day, and have
> recently accepted that I will never have the time to do them. But I want
> someone to do them.
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>



-- 
Sergio Fernández
Partner Technology Manager
Redlink GmbH
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Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz 
Hi Rich,

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> ...I'd like to see a list (I don't care about the technology, and simple is
> better) of ideas that people can work on

Given our distributed and dynamic nature I think such a list can only
work in terms of a query on our issue trackers, where specific tickets
are flagged as low-hanging fruit.

We use this for GSoC where http://s.apache.org/gsoc2015ideas returns a
list of such tickets.

>... I have a list of ideas that I would like to do some day, and have
> recently accepted that I will never have the time to do them

If those are foundation level ideas you might describe them in
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV and include them in a
suitable query.

So IMO what's needed is to define a standard label or set of labels
for those jira tickets, create a URL like
http://s.apache.org/gsoc2015ideas that lists those tickets and inform
our projects of that.

-Bertrand

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Patricia Shanahan 
An alternative approach would be a help-wanted page, organized according 
to skills, maintained on the same sort of system as the board agenda. 
Each PMC chair whose project is looking for volunteers would supply 
information about their needs. The result would be a public web page 
potential volunteers could search.


Ideally, it would be on a whimsey-like system, but a start could be made 
by just defining a format and keeping the master page in a PMC chair 
accessible SVN archive.


On 2/4/2016 3:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

Hi Rich,

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:

...I'd like to see a list (I don't care about the technology, and simple is
better) of ideas that people can work on


Given our distributed and dynamic nature I think such a list can only
work in terms of a query on our issue trackers, where specific tickets
are flagged as low-hanging fruit.

We use this for GSoC where http://s.apache.org/gsoc2015ideas returns a
list of such tickets.


... I have a list of ideas that I would like to do some day, and have
recently accepted that I will never have the time to do them


If those are foundation level ideas you might describe them in
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV and include them in a
suitable query.

So IMO what's needed is to define a standard label or set of labels
for those jira tickets, create a URL like
http://s.apache.org/gsoc2015ideas that lists those tickets and inform
our projects of that.

-Bertrand

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Venkat Raman 
Hi -

It would be extremely helpful to have systems like savannah to newbies to
dive in based on their skill sets and area of interest.I would like to
contribute as well. But, struggling in the same way as others to get
started.

Regards,
Venkat

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

>
>
> On 2/4/2016 10:35 AM, Greg Chase wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
>>
>> An alternative approach would be a help-wanted page, organized according
>>> to skills, maintained on the same sort of system as the board agenda.
>>> Each
>>> PMC chair whose project is looking for volunteers would supply
>>> information
>>> about their needs. The result would be a public web page potential
>>> volunteers could search.
>>>
>>> Ideally, it would be on a whimsey-like system, but a start could be made
>>> by just defining a format and keeping the master page in a PMC chair
>>> accessible SVN archive.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a wonderful idea.  I've been looking for a way to get the various
>> incubating communities I'm helping organize recruit new contributors.
>> This
>> would help solve this problem by making it easier for (p)PMC's to
>> articulate what they would like help with from new community members.
>>
>> Obviously it would be an adhoc system, and up to projects to fill out and
>> keep their want ad's up to date.  Perhaps a rule of the system would be
>> that want ads are automatically deleted after a month if they aren't
>> visited and renewed by project members to verify they are still current.
>>
>
> I like the idea of automatic disappearance, but maybe make it three months
> and tie it to the board report cycle - every time a PMC files a board
> report, it should also check and update its help wanted.
>
>
>> So basically, I'm volunteering to help here :)
>>
>
> I would also like to help, but don't know how to get something like this
> started.
>
> Patricia
>



-- 
Thanks & Regards,

Venkat Raman. R

RE: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Ross Gardler 
Before we go deep and technical in tooling, I think we should put a list 
together that *this* community would like to see. We can worry about other 
projects when we have or own house in order.

A simple list, in the form of replies in this thread would be good progress. In 
fact a first contribution from someone could then be to summarize this thread.

A brainstorming thread. No judgement of ideas, just a list.

If we get that list then we can think about collating it and making it 
accessible via tools as suggested in this thread already

Ross

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Rich Bowen
Sent: ‎2/‎4/‎2016 3:07 AM
To: dev
Subject: Guiding volunteers

Several times a month we get people either here, or contacting us
individually, saying that they want to participate, and we don't do a
great job of steering them to Good Things.

I'd like to see a list (I don't care about the technology, and simple is
better) of ideas that people can work on. Things that take 10 minutes.
Things that take 2 months. Everything in between. People willing to
mentor and help, but who don't have the time to do it themselves.

I have a list of ideas that I would like to do some day, and have
recently accepted that I will never have the time to do them. But I want
someone to do them.

--
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 - @apachecon

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Mike Drob 
Howe about the next volunteer that comes by asking for project ideas, we
have them build a volunteer wrangling system? A bit tongue-in-cheek here,
but there's a need that can be filled there.

The difficulty, from my perspective, in guiding volunteers is that there is
So Much under the Apache umbrella. Volunteers often do not come advertising
their skills - do you want to do Java? Great, there's 100 projects for you.
Do you want to do web development? That could be 75 more. Coming to Apache
and saying you want to work on something is like showing up to work at
 but not having a team there that expects you. There are
hundreds of projects and some of them are likely to be a good fit, but the
process for finding them is very expensive.

The volunteers that show up and say "I want to work on Spark!" are the easy
ones, and we can immediately point them at the appropriate project mailing
lists. The volunteers that have no directions need a process.

Mike

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Ross Gardler 
wrote:

> Before we go deep and technical in tooling, I think we should put a list
> together that *this* community would like to see. We can worry about other
> projects when we have or own house in order.
>
> A simple list, in the form of replies in this thread would be good
> progress. In fact a first contribution from someone could then be to
> summarize this thread.
>
> A brainstorming thread. No judgement of ideas, just a list.
>
> If we get that list then we can think about collating it and making it
> accessible via tools as suggested in this thread already
>
> Ross
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> 
> From: Rich Bowen
> Sent: ‎2/‎4/‎2016 3:07 AM
> To: dev
> Subject: Guiding volunteers
>
> Several times a month we get people either here, or contacting us
> individually, saying that they want to participate, and we don't do a
> great job of steering them to Good Things.
>
> I'd like to see a list (I don't care about the technology, and simple is
> better) of ideas that people can work on. Things that take 10 minutes.
> Things that take 2 months. Everything in between. People willing to
> mentor and help, but who don't have the time to do it themselves.
>
> I have a list of ideas that I would like to do some day, and have
> recently accepted that I will never have the time to do them. But I want
> someone to do them.
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>
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>

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz 
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Ross Gardler  wrote:
> ...Before we go deep and technical in tooling, I think we should put a list 
> together
> that *this* community would like to see

Maybe I missed something but I haven't seen people looking at doing
comdev stuff, the requests I have seen are from people who want to be
involved in our projects at the code level.

So from this angle IMO what we can do at the comdev level is encourage
projects to advertise their help wanted tasks, and maybe suggest a way
of doing that that provides some foundation-wide consistency.

At the simplest we could just suggest that interested projects provide
a "help wanted" link on their website front page, as part of our
website guidelines.

-Bertrand

RE: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Ross Gardler 
You are right. What I meant was people here are clearly interested in the act 
of community development. Therefore, we should each think about what we (as 
individuals in ComDev) can do to support people in the projects we represent in 
the broader ecosystem.

That's shouldn't be exclude listing issues in Jira as we do already for GSOC. 
But it can extend to making sure we actually point people to those lists of 
issues when someone turns up here.

Ross

-Original Message-
From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 9:23 AM
To: dev <dev@community.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Guiding volunteers

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> ...Before we go deep and technical in tooling, I think we should put a 
> list together that *this* community would like to see

Maybe I missed something but I haven't seen people looking at doing comdev 
stuff, the requests I have seen are from people who want to be involved in our 
projects at the code level.

So from this angle IMO what we can do at the comdev level is encourage projects 
to advertise their help wanted tasks, and maybe suggest a way of doing that 
that provides some foundation-wide consistency.

At the simplest we could just suggest that interested projects provide a "help 
wanted" link on their website front page, as part of our website guidelines.

-Bertrand

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Woonsan Ko 
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Greg Chase  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
>
>> An alternative approach would be a help-wanted page, organized according
>> to skills, maintained on the same sort of system as the board agenda. Each
>> PMC chair whose project is looking for volunteers would supply information
>> about their needs. The result would be a public web page potential
>> volunteers could search.
>>
>> Ideally, it would be on a whimsey-like system, but a start could be made
>> by just defining a format and keeping the master page in a PMC chair
>> accessible SVN archive.
>>
>>
> This is a wonderful idea.  I've been looking for a way to get the various
> incubating communities I'm helping organize recruit new contributors.  This
> would help solve this problem by making it easier for (p)PMC's to
> articulate what they would like help with from new community members.
>
> Obviously it would be an adhoc system, and up to projects to fill out and
> keep their want ad's up to date.  Perhaps a rule of the system would be
> that want ads are automatically deleted after a month if they aren't
> visited and renewed by project members to verify they are still current.

I've seen a system like that: http://savannah.gnu.org/people/
Information there seems very useful to me.

Woonsan

>
> So basically, I'm volunteering to help here :)
>
> -Greg

Re: Guiding volunteers

2016-02-04 Thread Greg Chase 
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> An alternative approach would be a help-wanted page, organized according
> to skills, maintained on the same sort of system as the board agenda. Each
> PMC chair whose project is looking for volunteers would supply information
> about their needs. The result would be a public web page potential
> volunteers could search.
>
> Ideally, it would be on a whimsey-like system, but a start could be made
> by just defining a format and keeping the master page in a PMC chair
> accessible SVN archive.
>
>
This is a wonderful idea.  I've been looking for a way to get the various
incubating communities I'm helping organize recruit new contributors.  This
would help solve this problem by making it easier for (p)PMC's to
articulate what they would like help with from new community members.

Obviously it would be an adhoc system, and up to projects to fill out and
keep their want ad's up to date.  Perhaps a rule of the system would be
that want ads are automatically deleted after a month if they aren't
visited and renewed by project members to verify they are still current.

So basically, I'm volunteering to help here :)

-Greg