Re: Move to JDK-11
provement because almost every query gets >> some >> > speedup. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > --- Sungwoo >> > >> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 3:53 AM Sai Hemanth Gantasala >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Hi All, >> > > >> > > I would strongly advocate keeping support for JDK8. >> > > Between JDK11 and JDK17, Depending on the amount of effort on the >> upgrade >> > > I'm inclined towards JDK17 (JDK21 LTS will be released in Sep 2023). >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Sai. >> > > >> > > On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 5:39 AM László Bodor < >> bodorlaszlo0...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > *Hi!* >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > *Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8?* >> > > > IMO absolutely yes, let's not break up with JDK-8: according to its >> > > > lifecycle, it's going to stay with us for a long time. >> > > > >> > > > I believe >> > > > a) we should be able to compile on JDK8, JDK11, and JDK17 (github >> > actions >> > > > can cover this conveniently in precommit time, like tez >> > > > < >> https://github.com/apache/tez/blob/master/.github/workflows/build.yml >> > >) >> > > > b) the release artifacts should be compatible with JDK8 as long as >> it >> > is >> > > > with us. >> > > > >> > > > Regards, >> > > > Laszlo Bodor >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Butao Zhang ezt írta (időpont: 2023. máj. >> 31., >> > > Sze, >> > > > 14:33): >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Ayush for driving this! Good to know that Hive is getting >> > ready >> > > > for >> > > > > newer JDK. >> > > > > From my opinon, if we have more community energy to put into it, >> we >> > can >> > > > > support both JDK-11 and JDK-17 like Spark[1]. If we have to make >> a >> > > > choice >> > > > > between a JDK-11 and JDK-17, i would like to choose the relatively >> > new >> > > > > version JDK-17, meanwhile, we should maintain compatibility with >> > jdk8, >> > > as >> > > > > JDK-8 is still widely used in most big data platforms. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > Butao Zhang >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-33772 >> > > > > Replied Message >> > > > > | From | Ayush Saxena | >> > > > > | Date | 5/31/2023 18:39 | >> > > > > | To | dev | >> > > > > | Subject | Move to JDK-11 | >> > > > > Hi Everyone, >> > > > > Want to pull in the attention of folks towards moving to JDK-11 >> > compile >> > > > > time support in Hive. There was a ticket in the past [1] which >> talks >> > > > about >> > > > > it and If I could decode it right, it was blocked because the >> Hadoop >> > > > > version used by Hive didn't had JDK-11 runtime support, But with >> [2] >> > in >> > > > we >> > > > > have upgraded the Hadoop version, so that problem is sorted out. I >> > > > couldn't >> > > > > even see any unresolved tickets in the blocked state either. >> > > > > >> > > > > I quickly tried* a mvn clean install -DskipTests -Piceberg >> -Pitests >> > > > > -Dmaven.javadoc.skip=true >> > > > > >> > > > > And no surprises it failed with some weird exceptions towards the >> > end. >> > > > But >> > > > > I think that should be solvable. >> > > > > >> > > > > So, Questions? >> > > > > >> > > > > - What do folks think about this? Should we put in some effort >> > towards >> > > > > JDK-11 >> > > > > - Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8? >> > > > > - Ditch JDK-11 and directly shoot for JDK-17? >> > > > > >> > > > > Let me know your thoughts, In case anyone has some experience in >> this >> > > > area >> > > > > and have tried something in the context, feel free to share or >> may be >> > > if >> > > > > someone has any potential action plan or so >> > > > > >> > > > > -Ayush >> > > > > >> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 >> > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-24484 >> > > > > >> > > > > * changed the maven.compiler.source & maven.compiler.target to 11 >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >
Re: Move to JDK-11
.@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > *Hi!* > > > > > > > > > > > > *Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8?* > > > > IMO absolutely yes, let's not break up with JDK-8: according to its > > > > lifecycle, it's going to stay with us for a long time. > > > > > > > > I believe > > > > a) we should be able to compile on JDK8, JDK11, and JDK17 (github > > actions > > > > can cover this conveniently in precommit time, like tez > > > > < > https://github.com/apache/tez/blob/master/.github/workflows/build.yml > > >) > > > > b) the release artifacts should be compatible with JDK8 as long as it > > is > > > > with us. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Laszlo Bodor > > > > > > > > > > > > Butao Zhang ezt írta (időpont: 2023. máj. 31., > > > Sze, > > > > 14:33): > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ayush for driving this! Good to know that Hive is getting > > ready > > > > for > > > > > newer JDK. > > > > > From my opinon, if we have more community energy to put into it, we > > can > > > > > support both JDK-11 and JDK-17 like Spark[1]. If we have to make a > > > > choice > > > > > between a JDK-11 and JDK-17, i would like to choose the relatively > > new > > > > > version JDK-17, meanwhile, we should maintain compatibility with > > jdk8, > > > as > > > > > JDK-8 is still widely used in most big data platforms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Butao Zhang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-33772 > > > > > Replied Message > > > > > | From | Ayush Saxena | > > > > > | Date | 5/31/2023 18:39 | > > > > > | To | dev | > > > > > | Subject | Move to JDK-11 | > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > Want to pull in the attention of folks towards moving to JDK-11 > > compile > > > > > time support in Hive. There was a ticket in the past [1] which > talks > > > > about > > > > > it and If I could decode it right, it was blocked because the > Hadoop > > > > > version used by Hive didn't had JDK-11 runtime support, But with > [2] > > in > > > > we > > > > > have upgraded the Hadoop version, so that problem is sorted out. I > > > > couldn't > > > > > even see any unresolved tickets in the blocked state either. > > > > > > > > > > I quickly tried* a mvn clean install -DskipTests -Piceberg > -Pitests > > > > > -Dmaven.javadoc.skip=true > > > > > > > > > > And no surprises it failed with some weird exceptions towards the > > end. > > > > But > > > > > I think that should be solvable. > > > > > > > > > > So, Questions? > > > > > > > > > > - What do folks think about this? Should we put in some effort > > towards > > > > > JDK-11 > > > > > - Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8? > > > > > - Ditch JDK-11 and directly shoot for JDK-17? > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your thoughts, In case anyone has some experience in > this > > > > area > > > > > and have tried something in the context, feel free to share or may > be > > > if > > > > > someone has any potential action plan or so > > > > > > > > > > -Ayush > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-24484 > > > > > > > > > > * changed the maven.compiler.source & maven.compiler.target to 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Move to JDK-11
Hey everyone, If we claim that Hive supports a certain JDK then we should compile and run tests with it. The more JDKs we can support the better for everyone but this comes at a cost (resources mostly). We should have a precommit run for every supported JDK (frequency to be determined once per day/week) that compiles and run all tests. >From my perspective, I would be pretty happy if we could cover the two edge LTS releases at every point in time. Then we have to decide also which JDK shall we use for the pull requests and local dev environment. I think it makes sense to use the latest. People like working on modern stuff and also it makes sense that newer releases will also use newer versions. It would be pretty awkward if someone wants to use the latest Hive version and it turns out that it can only run on JDK8. Best, Stamatis On Thu, Jun 1, 2023, 3:42 AM Sungwoo Park wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > I have not tested the master branch with Java 11/17 yet, but I would like > to share my experience with testing a fork of branch-3.1 with Java 11/17 > (as part of developing Hive-MR3), in case that it can be useful for the > discussion. I merged the patches listed in [1] HIVE-22415 and updated the > Maven configuration for Java 11. > > 1. Building Hive was fine and I was able to run it with Java 11 as well as > Java 17. So, it seems that the work reported in [1] is indeed complete for > upgrading to Java 11 (and Java 17) and getting Hive to work. > > 2. However, there was a problem with running tests, so this can be > additional work for upgrading to Java 11. > > 3. For performance, Java 17 gives about 8 percent of (free) performance > improvement. When tested with 10TB TPC-DS, Java 8 takes 8074 seconds, > whereas Java 17 takes 7415 seconds. Considering the maturity of Hive, I > think this is not a small improvement because almost every query gets some > speedup. > > Thanks, > > --- Sungwoo > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 > > > On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 3:53 AM Sai Hemanth Gantasala > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I would strongly advocate keeping support for JDK8. > > Between JDK11 and JDK17, Depending on the amount of effort on the upgrade > > I'm inclined towards JDK17 (JDK21 LTS will be released in Sep 2023). > > > > Thanks, > > Sai. > > > > On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 5:39 AM László Bodor > > wrote: > > > > > *Hi!* > > > > > > > > > *Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8?* > > > IMO absolutely yes, let's not break up with JDK-8: according to its > > > lifecycle, it's going to stay with us for a long time. > > > > > > I believe > > > a) we should be able to compile on JDK8, JDK11, and JDK17 (github > actions > > > can cover this conveniently in precommit time, like tez > > > <https://github.com/apache/tez/blob/master/.github/workflows/build.yml > >) > > > b) the release artifacts should be compatible with JDK8 as long as it > is > > > with us. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Laszlo Bodor > > > > > > > > > Butao Zhang ezt írta (időpont: 2023. máj. 31., > > Sze, > > > 14:33): > > > > > > > Thanks Ayush for driving this! Good to know that Hive is getting > ready > > > for > > > > newer JDK. > > > > From my opinon, if we have more community energy to put into it, we > can > > > > support both JDK-11 and JDK-17 like Spark[1]. If we have to make a > > > choice > > > > between a JDK-11 and JDK-17, i would like to choose the relatively > new > > > > version JDK-17, meanwhile, we should maintain compatibility with > jdk8, > > as > > > > JDK-8 is still widely used in most big data platforms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Butao Zhang > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-33772 > > > > Replied Message > > > > | From | Ayush Saxena | > > > > | Date | 5/31/2023 18:39 | > > > > | To | dev | > > > > | Subject | Move to JDK-11 | > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Want to pull in the attention of folks towards moving to JDK-11 > compile > > > > time support in Hive. There was a ticket in the past [1] which talks > > > about > > > > it and If I could decode it right, it was blocked because the Hadoop > > > > version used by Hive didn't had JDK-11 runtime support, But with [2] > in > > > we > > > > have upgraded the Hadoop
Re: Move to JDK-11
Hi, everyone. I have not tested the master branch with Java 11/17 yet, but I would like to share my experience with testing a fork of branch-3.1 with Java 11/17 (as part of developing Hive-MR3), in case that it can be useful for the discussion. I merged the patches listed in [1] HIVE-22415 and updated the Maven configuration for Java 11. 1. Building Hive was fine and I was able to run it with Java 11 as well as Java 17. So, it seems that the work reported in [1] is indeed complete for upgrading to Java 11 (and Java 17) and getting Hive to work. 2. However, there was a problem with running tests, so this can be additional work for upgrading to Java 11. 3. For performance, Java 17 gives about 8 percent of (free) performance improvement. When tested with 10TB TPC-DS, Java 8 takes 8074 seconds, whereas Java 17 takes 7415 seconds. Considering the maturity of Hive, I think this is not a small improvement because almost every query gets some speedup. Thanks, --- Sungwoo [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 3:53 AM Sai Hemanth Gantasala wrote: > Hi All, > > I would strongly advocate keeping support for JDK8. > Between JDK11 and JDK17, Depending on the amount of effort on the upgrade > I'm inclined towards JDK17 (JDK21 LTS will be released in Sep 2023). > > Thanks, > Sai. > > On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 5:39 AM László Bodor > wrote: > > > *Hi!* > > > > > > *Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8?* > > IMO absolutely yes, let's not break up with JDK-8: according to its > > lifecycle, it's going to stay with us for a long time. > > > > I believe > > a) we should be able to compile on JDK8, JDK11, and JDK17 (github actions > > can cover this conveniently in precommit time, like tez > > <https://github.com/apache/tez/blob/master/.github/workflows/build.yml>) > > b) the release artifacts should be compatible with JDK8 as long as it is > > with us. > > > > Regards, > > Laszlo Bodor > > > > > > Butao Zhang ezt írta (időpont: 2023. máj. 31., > Sze, > > 14:33): > > > > > Thanks Ayush for driving this! Good to know that Hive is getting ready > > for > > > newer JDK. > > > From my opinon, if we have more community energy to put into it, we can > > > support both JDK-11 and JDK-17 like Spark[1]. If we have to make a > > choice > > > between a JDK-11 and JDK-17, i would like to choose the relatively new > > > version JDK-17, meanwhile, we should maintain compatibility with jdk8, > as > > > JDK-8 is still widely used in most big data platforms. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Butao Zhang > > > > > > > > > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-33772 > > > Replied Message > > > | From | Ayush Saxena | > > > | Date | 5/31/2023 18:39 | > > > | To | dev | > > > | Subject | Move to JDK-11 | > > > Hi Everyone, > > > Want to pull in the attention of folks towards moving to JDK-11 compile > > > time support in Hive. There was a ticket in the past [1] which talks > > about > > > it and If I could decode it right, it was blocked because the Hadoop > > > version used by Hive didn't had JDK-11 runtime support, But with [2] in > > we > > > have upgraded the Hadoop version, so that problem is sorted out. I > > couldn't > > > even see any unresolved tickets in the blocked state either. > > > > > > I quickly tried* a mvn clean install -DskipTests -Piceberg -Pitests > > > -Dmaven.javadoc.skip=true > > > > > > And no surprises it failed with some weird exceptions towards the end. > > But > > > I think that should be solvable. > > > > > > So, Questions? > > > > > > - What do folks think about this? Should we put in some effort towards > > > JDK-11 > > > - Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8? > > > - Ditch JDK-11 and directly shoot for JDK-17? > > > > > > Let me know your thoughts, In case anyone has some experience in this > > area > > > and have tried something in the context, feel free to share or may be > if > > > someone has any potential action plan or so > > > > > > -Ayush > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-24484 > > > > > > * changed the maven.compiler.source & maven.compiler.target to 11 > > > > > >
Re: Move to JDK-11
Hi All, I would strongly advocate keeping support for JDK8. Between JDK11 and JDK17, Depending on the amount of effort on the upgrade I'm inclined towards JDK17 (JDK21 LTS will be released in Sep 2023). Thanks, Sai. On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 5:39 AM László Bodor wrote: > *Hi!* > > > *Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8?* > IMO absolutely yes, let's not break up with JDK-8: according to its > lifecycle, it's going to stay with us for a long time. > > I believe > a) we should be able to compile on JDK8, JDK11, and JDK17 (github actions > can cover this conveniently in precommit time, like tez > <https://github.com/apache/tez/blob/master/.github/workflows/build.yml>) > b) the release artifacts should be compatible with JDK8 as long as it is > with us. > > Regards, > Laszlo Bodor > > > Butao Zhang ezt írta (időpont: 2023. máj. 31., Sze, > 14:33): > > > Thanks Ayush for driving this! Good to know that Hive is getting ready > for > > newer JDK. > > From my opinon, if we have more community energy to put into it, we can > > support both JDK-11 and JDK-17 like Spark[1]. If we have to make a > choice > > between a JDK-11 and JDK-17, i would like to choose the relatively new > > version JDK-17, meanwhile, we should maintain compatibility with jdk8, as > > JDK-8 is still widely used in most big data platforms. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Butao Zhang > > > > > > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-33772 > > Replied Message > > | From | Ayush Saxena | > > | Date | 5/31/2023 18:39 | > > | To | dev | > > | Subject | Move to JDK-11 | > > Hi Everyone, > > Want to pull in the attention of folks towards moving to JDK-11 compile > > time support in Hive. There was a ticket in the past [1] which talks > about > > it and If I could decode it right, it was blocked because the Hadoop > > version used by Hive didn't had JDK-11 runtime support, But with [2] in > we > > have upgraded the Hadoop version, so that problem is sorted out. I > couldn't > > even see any unresolved tickets in the blocked state either. > > > > I quickly tried* a mvn clean install -DskipTests -Piceberg -Pitests > > -Dmaven.javadoc.skip=true > > > > And no surprises it failed with some weird exceptions towards the end. > But > > I think that should be solvable. > > > > So, Questions? > > > > - What do folks think about this? Should we put in some effort towards > > JDK-11 > > - Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8? > > - Ditch JDK-11 and directly shoot for JDK-17? > > > > Let me know your thoughts, In case anyone has some experience in this > area > > and have tried something in the context, feel free to share or may be if > > someone has any potential action plan or so > > > > -Ayush > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-24484 > > > > * changed the maven.compiler.source & maven.compiler.target to 11 > > >
Re: Move to JDK-11
*Hi!* *Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8?* IMO absolutely yes, let's not break up with JDK-8: according to its lifecycle, it's going to stay with us for a long time. I believe a) we should be able to compile on JDK8, JDK11, and JDK17 (github actions can cover this conveniently in precommit time, like tez <https://github.com/apache/tez/blob/master/.github/workflows/build.yml>) b) the release artifacts should be compatible with JDK8 as long as it is with us. Regards, Laszlo Bodor Butao Zhang ezt írta (időpont: 2023. máj. 31., Sze, 14:33): > Thanks Ayush for driving this! Good to know that Hive is getting ready for > newer JDK. > From my opinon, if we have more community energy to put into it, we can > support both JDK-11 and JDK-17 like Spark[1]. If we have to make a choice > between a JDK-11 and JDK-17, i would like to choose the relatively new > version JDK-17, meanwhile, we should maintain compatibility with jdk8, as > JDK-8 is still widely used in most big data platforms. > > > Thanks, > Butao Zhang > > > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-33772 > Replied Message > | From | Ayush Saxena | > | Date | 5/31/2023 18:39 | > | To | dev | > | Subject | Move to JDK-11 | > Hi Everyone, > Want to pull in the attention of folks towards moving to JDK-11 compile > time support in Hive. There was a ticket in the past [1] which talks about > it and If I could decode it right, it was blocked because the Hadoop > version used by Hive didn't had JDK-11 runtime support, But with [2] in we > have upgraded the Hadoop version, so that problem is sorted out. I couldn't > even see any unresolved tickets in the blocked state either. > > I quickly tried* a mvn clean install -DskipTests -Piceberg -Pitests > -Dmaven.javadoc.skip=true > > And no surprises it failed with some weird exceptions towards the end. But > I think that should be solvable. > > So, Questions? > > - What do folks think about this? Should we put in some effort towards > JDK-11 > - Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8? > - Ditch JDK-11 and directly shoot for JDK-17? > > Let me know your thoughts, In case anyone has some experience in this area > and have tried something in the context, feel free to share or may be if > someone has any potential action plan or so > > -Ayush > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-24484 > > * changed the maven.compiler.source & maven.compiler.target to 11 >
Re: Move to JDK-11
Thanks Ayush for driving this! Good to know that Hive is getting ready for newer JDK. From my opinon, if we have more community energy to put into it, we can support both JDK-11 and JDK-17 like Spark[1]. If we have to make a choice between a JDK-11 and JDK-17, i would like to choose the relatively new version JDK-17, meanwhile, we should maintain compatibility with jdk8, as JDK-8 is still widely used in most big data platforms. Thanks, Butao Zhang [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-33772 Replied Message | From | Ayush Saxena | | Date | 5/31/2023 18:39 | | To | dev | | Subject | Move to JDK-11 | Hi Everyone, Want to pull in the attention of folks towards moving to JDK-11 compile time support in Hive. There was a ticket in the past [1] which talks about it and If I could decode it right, it was blocked because the Hadoop version used by Hive didn't had JDK-11 runtime support, But with [2] in we have upgraded the Hadoop version, so that problem is sorted out. I couldn't even see any unresolved tickets in the blocked state either. I quickly tried* a mvn clean install -DskipTests -Piceberg -Pitests -Dmaven.javadoc.skip=true And no surprises it failed with some weird exceptions towards the end. But I think that should be solvable. So, Questions? - What do folks think about this? Should we put in some effort towards JDK-11 - Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8? - Ditch JDK-11 and directly shoot for JDK-17? Let me know your thoughts, In case anyone has some experience in this area and have tried something in the context, feel free to share or may be if someone has any potential action plan or so -Ayush [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-24484 * changed the maven.compiler.source & maven.compiler.target to 11
Move to JDK-11
Hi Everyone, Want to pull in the attention of folks towards moving to JDK-11 compile time support in Hive. There was a ticket in the past [1] which talks about it and If I could decode it right, it was blocked because the Hadoop version used by Hive didn't had JDK-11 runtime support, But with [2] in we have upgraded the Hadoop version, so that problem is sorted out. I couldn't even see any unresolved tickets in the blocked state either. I quickly tried* a mvn clean install -DskipTests -Piceberg -Pitests -Dmaven.javadoc.skip=true And no surprises it failed with some weird exceptions towards the end. But I think that should be solvable. So, Questions? - What do folks think about this? Should we put in some effort towards JDK-11 - Should we support both JDK-11 & JDK-8? - Ditch JDK-11 and directly shoot for JDK-17? Let me know your thoughts, In case anyone has some experience in this area and have tried something in the context, feel free to share or may be if someone has any potential action plan or so -Ayush [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-22415 [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HIVE-24484 * changed the maven.compiler.source & maven.compiler.target to 11
