Re: httpd win64 project sources/makefiles [was:...binaries]
William A. Rowe, Jr. said the following on 11/03/2008 07:32 AM: But studio (or eclipse or codewarrior or [name your IDE]) users would appreciate a perspective into the sources. The IDE-accessible nature of the original Win32 port is what made it so easy for me to jump in, understand and substantially refactor the win32 support. Without the IDE view, would I have done that? Maybe - but at that time in my development patterns - more likely not. Lets look to supporting [name your favorite IDE] as a bigger picture item not specific to windows, and to transition away from .dsp for the build/ide view support. I'm still getting my head around how all the parts of Apache work together, and would love to be able to dive into it using Eclipse and explore. The advantage of Eclipse would be that it's more cross-platform than most of the alternatives that I'm aware of. Re: windows, aren't there one or more ports of gcc? Would something like that be worth considering as a more stable build solution than MS's tools? Dan
Re: httpd win64 project sources/makefiles [was:...binaries]
William A. Rowe, Jr. said the following on 11/03/2008 07:32 AM: Lets look to supporting [name your favorite IDE] as a bigger picture item not specific to windows, and to transition away from .dsp for the build/ide view support. What about going one step further and using a tool able to generate Makefiles and IDE files for [name some of your favorite IDEs] ? I'm thinking about something like CMake, which is able to target the following environments on Windows : # Borland Makefiles # MSYS Makefiles # MinGW Makefiles # NMake Makefiles # Unix Makefiles # Visual Studio 6 # Visual Studio 7 # Visual Studio 7 .NET 2003 # Visual Studio 8 2005 # Visual Studio 8 2005 Win64 # Visual Studio 9 2008 # Visual Studio 9 2008 Win64 # Watcom WMake # CodeBlocks - MinGW Makefiles # CodeBlocks - Unix Makefiles # Eclipse CDT4 - MinGW Makefiles # Eclipse CDT4 - NMake Makefiles # Eclipse CDT4 - Unix Makefiles -- Marc Noirot http://www.apachefrance.com/
Re: httpd win64 project sources/makefiles [was:...binaries]
Dan Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED]　wrote on 2008-11-3 21:13 William A. Rowe, Jr. said the following on 11/03/2008 07:32 AM: Lets look to supporting [name your favorite IDE] as a bigger picture item not specific to windows, and to transition away from .dsp for the build/ide view support. Re: windows, aren't there one or more ports of gcc? Would something like that be worth considering as a more stable build solution than MS's tools? There is a runtime library issue. Most GCC ports do not generate object code that can be linked with the necessary WinAPI runtime lib's. e.g, httpd needs to link to lots of MS C startup libraris to use the file system, socket API, IOCP, etc. Bing
Re: httpd win64 project sources/makefiles [was:...binaries]
Marc Noirot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2008-11-3 22:06 William A. Rowe, Jr. said the following on 11/03/2008 07:32 AM: Lets look to supporting [name your favorite IDE] as a bigger picture item not specific to windows, and to transition away from .dsp for the build/ide view support. What about going one step further and using a tool able to generate Makefiles and IDE files for [name some of your favorite IDEs] ? I'm thinking about something like CMake, which is able to target the following environments on Windows : # Borland Makefiles # MSYS Makefiles # MinGW Makefiles # NMake Makefiles # Unix Makefiles # Visual Studio 6 # Visual Studio 7 # Visual Studio 7 .NET 2003 # Visual Studio 8 2005 # Visual Studio 8 2005 Win64 # Visual Studio 9 2008 # Visual Studio 9 2008 Win64 # Watcom WMake # CodeBlocks - MinGW Makefiles # CodeBlocks - Unix Makefiles # Eclipse CDT4 - MinGW Makefiles # Eclipse CDT4 - NMake Makefiles # Eclipse CDT4 - Unix Makefiles -- Marc Noirot This seems overwhelming. So it seems possible for httpd to have a one-to-fit-all IDE project file generator? Then everyone will have a happy ending... Bing
Re: httpd win64 project sources/makefiles [was:...binaries]
Jorge Schrauwen wrote: I compiled them on vs2008 IIRC (not sure only boot into the vm when need to compile) Sadly the exact same version is needed or else it refuses to load. That is what wrowe mentioned above with all the minor version bumps here and there. Precisely. Also note; VC2008 studio file cannot load in studio 2005. This might also be true of SP bumps. Today, it's VC6 dsw/dsp's only because that was the last version able to export a set of non-studio Makefiles. If we eliminate the need to export win32's makefiles, we eliminate dsp's altogether. So as far as .sln's are concerned, if we can emit, from our build schema, either .vcproj elements or makefiles or both, then we can forever drop VC6 files. VC6 certainly would still compile, but using the command line. I can't seriously believe that we should support the IDE itself forever. But studio (or eclipse or codewarrior or [name your IDE]) users would appreciate a perspective into the sources. The IDE-accessible nature of the original Win32 port is what made it so easy for me to jump in, understand and substantially refactor the win32 support. Without the IDE view, would I have done that? Maybe - but at that time in my development patterns - more likely not. Lets look to supporting [name your favorite IDE] as a bigger picture item not specific to windows, and to transition away from .dsp for the build/ide view support. Bill
Re: httpd win64 project sources/makefiles [was:...binaries]
Marc Noirot wrote: What about going one step further and using a tool able to generate Makefiles and IDE files for [name some of your favorite IDEs] ? +1. Binding httpd to one IDE significantly reduces the developer audience, it would help a lot if Windows could have the same autoconf ability that the Unix build has had for years. Regards, Graham -- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: httpd win64 project sources/makefiles [was:...binaries]
On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Marc Noirot wrote: What about going one step further and using a tool able to generate Makefiles and IDE files for [name some of your favorite IDEs] ? I'm thinking about something like CMake ... http://lwn.net/Articles/188693/ http://www.cmake.org/ +1 But it still requires folks to do the work. Hackathon? Roy
Re: httpd win64 project sources/makefiles [was:...binaries]
cmake seems very interesting. I'd like to help if you go that path, not sure I'll be of much use though. ~Jorge On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Marc Noirot wrote: What about going one step further and using a tool able to generate Makefiles and IDE files for [name some of your favorite IDEs] ? I'm thinking about something like CMake ... http://lwn.net/Articles/188693/ http://www.cmake.org/ +1 But it still requires folks to do the work. Hackathon? Roy
