Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Xiangdong Huang]

Hi all,

Um I was trying to contact the owners of these docker repos.

Sadly, only hxdiotdb (it is me..) and xingtanzjr are contacted.

I also checked these repos.

[1], [2] and [3] are fine, both of them mentioned the image is for Apache
IoTDB, and showed iotdb's website.

I can not contact to [4] and [5] (DockerHub does not share owners' info,
even the email).

[4] is indeed an Apache IoTDB image, but sounds [5] is not an Apache IoTDB
image.

[1] https://hub.docker.com/r/hxdiotdb/iotdb <
https://hub.docker.com/r/hxdiotdb/iotdb>
[2] https://hub.docker.com/r/dmonesr/iotdb <
https://hub.docker.com/r/dmonesr/iotdb>
[3] https://hub.docker.com/r/xingtanzjr/iotdb
 <
https://hub.docker.com/r/xingtanzjr/iotdb>
[4] https://hub.docker.com/r/fudanyuan/iotdb <
https://hub.docker.com/r/fudanyuan/iotdb>
[5] https://hub.docker.com/r/zongxiongchen/iotdb-core <
https://hub.docker.com/r/zongxiongchen/iotdb-core>

Best,
---
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


Xiangdong Huang  于2019年12月9日周一 下午10:04写道：

> Hi,
>
> > Nor do they need to, often a friendly email will achieve a good result
> or an outcome that works for everyone. If a solution can’t be found then
> brand can deal with it.
>
> If contacting with the owner, do we need to CC to the private@ mailing
> list or this mailing list?
>
> Best,
> --
> Xiangdong Huang
> School of Software, Tsinghua University
>
>  黄向东
> 清华大学 软件学院
>
>
> Kevin A. McGrail  于2019年12月9日周一 下午9:35写道：
>
>> What defines a major branding issue?  Are they to police the internet?
>> How are they to defermine they are major or not?  These are very vague
>> instructions to a podling about what to do.
>>
>> On 12/9/2019 2:58 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >> I understand that request but that isn't a graduation issue if someone
>> >> doesn't listen to them.
>> > But they do need to contact them and look out for issues like this, I
>> didn’t say that there needs to be no branding issues at graduation=, just
>> that the podling is aware of any major ones and be dealing with them.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>>
>> --
>> Kevin A. McGrail
>> kmcgr...@apache.org
>>
>> Member, Apache Software Foundation
>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
>>
>>

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Xiangdong Huang]

Hi,

> Nor do they need to, often a friendly email will achieve a good result or
an outcome that works for everyone. If a solution can’t be found then brand
can deal with it.

If contacting with the owner, do we need to CC to the private@ mailing list
or this mailing list?

Best,
--
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


Kevin A. McGrail  于2019年12月9日周一 下午9:35写道：

> What defines a major branding issue?  Are they to police the internet?
> How are they to defermine they are major or not?  These are very vague
> instructions to a podling about what to do.
>
> On 12/9/2019 2:58 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >> I understand that request but that isn't a graduation issue if someone
> >> doesn't listen to them.
> > But they do need to contact them and look out for issues like this, I
> didn’t say that there needs to be no branding issues at graduation=, just
> that the podling is aware of any major ones and be dealing with them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
> --
> Kevin A. McGrail
> kmcgr...@apache.org
>
> Member, Apache Software Foundation
> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
>
>

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Kevin A. McGrail]

What defines a major branding issue?  Are they to police the internet? 
How are they to defermine they are major or not?  These are very vague
instructions to a podling about what to do.

On 12/9/2019 2:58 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> I understand that request but that isn't a graduation issue if someone
>> doesn't listen to them.
> But they do need to contact them and look out for issues like this, I didn’t 
> say that there needs to be no branding issues at graduation=, just that the 
> podling is aware of any major ones and be dealing with them.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

-- 
Kevin A. McGrail
kmcgr...@apache.org

Member, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I understand that request but that isn't a graduation issue if someone
> doesn't listen to them.

But they do need to contact them and look out for issues like this, I didn’t 
say that there needs to be no branding issues at graduation=, just that the 
podling is aware of any major ones and be dealing with them.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Kevin A. McGrail]

I understand that request but that isn't a graduation issue if someone
doesn't listen to them.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 21:15 Justin Mclean  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > None of that turns them into policemen of brand infringements.
>
> Perhaps reread [1] it's quite clear on the subject. Also see [2] which
> asks them to be exactly that.  From [2]:
>
> "PMCs are expected to manage this process. If a third party does not
> respond favorably to the PMC's requests, or responds in a hostile or
> legalistic manner, please report to Brand Management."
>
> >  Can they send a cease and desist? A takedown notice to docker?
>
> Nor do they need to, often a friendly email will achieve a good result or
> an outcome that works for everyone. If a solution can’t be found then brand
> can deal with it.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#responsible
> 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#police
>
>

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> None of that turns them into policemen of brand infringements.

Perhaps reread [1] it's quite clear on the subject. Also see [2] which asks 
them to be exactly that.  From [2]:

"PMCs are expected to manage this process. If a third party does not respond 
favorably to the PMC's requests, or responds in a hostile or legalistic manner, 
please report to Brand Management."

>  Can they send a cease and desist? A takedown notice to docker?

Nor do they need to, often a friendly email will achieve a good result or an 
outcome that works for everyone. If a solution can’t be found then brand can 
deal with it.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#responsible
2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#police

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> For example, in my previous Repo [1], I wrote a short description " Apache
> IoTDB (incubating) docker images", is that ok for a personal maintained
> Repo?

That's OK but could be better e.g. You could link to the official IoTDB site, 
note that it’s an incubating project, and include trademark attribution.

> And in [1], I built an image for iotdb 0.8.2 snapshot,  if some personal
> repo have the similar case, do they need to remove RC and snapshot images?

It’s going to depend. If a large number of your users as using the snapshot 
then yes probably something would need to be done about it. That still may not 
mean it needs to be removed. It would be best if it clearly stated that this 
was unreleased code and only for development use and not production use.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Kevin A. McGrail]

None of that turns them into policemen of brand infringements.  Can they
send a cease and desist? A takedown notice to docker?

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 20:59 Justin Mclean  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > I disagree this is a graduation issue.  If the project didn't set them up
> > and they are doing branding correctly, the issue should be handed off to
> > brand to followup.
>
> See [1]. I can can point to a recent podling graduation attempt that were
> unsuccessful because of this.
>
> That being said the above is minor but the (P)PMC does need to keep on eye
> on how others use their brand.
>
> This talk by Shane is worth a watch. [2]
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#responsible
> 2. https://aceu19.apachecon.com/session/who-owns-foss-project-brand
>
>
>
>

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I disagree this is a graduation issue.  If the project didn't set them up
> and they are doing branding correctly, the issue should be handed off to
> brand to followup.

See [1]. I can can point to a recent podling graduation attempt that were 
unsuccessful because of this. 

That being said the above is minor but the (P)PMC does need to keep on eye on 
how others use their brand.

This talk by Shane is worth a watch. [2]

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html#responsible
2. https://aceu19.apachecon.com/session/who-owns-foss-project-brand

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Xiangdong Huang]

Hi,

> but they do need to recognise that they are Apache projects

> If the project didn't set them up
> and they are doing branding correctly, the issue should be handed off to
> brand to followup.

For example, in my previous Repo [1], I wrote a short description " Apache
IoTDB (incubating) docker images", is that ok for a personal maintained
Repo?  Or do they have to declaim the incubator disclaimer?

And in [1], I built an image for iotdb 0.8.2 snapshot,  if some personal
repo have the similar case, do they need to remove RC and snapshot images?

[1] https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/hxdiotdb/iotdb

Best,
---
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


Kevin A. McGrail  于2019年12月9日周一 上午9:34写道：

> I disagree this is a graduation issue.  If the project didn't set them up
> and they are doing branding correctly, the issue should be handed off to
> brand to followup.
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 20:19 Justin Mclean  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Do we need to contact others to delete the repo? (I think these users
> > have
> > > the right to use apache iotdb and build a repo called iotdb)
> >
> > They don’t need to delete them, but they do need to recognise that they
> > are Apache projects and follow our branding/trademarks. This is not an
> > urgent issue, just something in general that needs to be sorted out
> before
> > you graduate.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Kevin A. McGrail]

I disagree this is a graduation issue.  If the project didn't set them up
and they are doing branding correctly, the issue should be handed off to
brand to followup.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 20:19 Justin Mclean  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Do we need to contact others to delete the repo? (I think these users
> have
> > the right to use apache iotdb and build a repo called iotdb)
>
> They don’t need to delete them, but they do need to recognise that they
> are Apache projects and follow our branding/trademarks. This is not an
> urgent issue, just something in general that needs to be sorted out before
> you graduate.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Xiangdong Huang]

Hi,

I can only recognize two of them... xingtanzjr and hxdiotdb... one is my
private repo and the other belongs to Jinrui Zhang, we can remove these
repo because they are not useful now.

Do we need to contact others to delete the repo? (I think these users have
the right to use apache iotdb and build a repo called iotdb)

Best,
---
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


Justin Mclean  于2019年12月9日周一 上午5:08写道：

> Hi,
>
> https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/iotdb <
> https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/iotdb> looks good to me.
>
> We may have some branding/trademark issues with:
> https://hub.docker.com/r/xingtanzjr/iotdb <
> https://hub.docker.com/r/xingtanzjr/iotdb>
> https://hub.docker.com/r/fudanyuan/iotdb <
> https://hub.docker.com/r/fudanyuan/iotdb>
> https://hub.docker.com/r/hxdiotdb/iotdb <
> https://hub.docker.com/r/hxdiotdb/iotdb>
> https://hub.docker.com/r/dmonesr/iotdb <
> https://hub.docker.com/r/dmonesr/iotdb>
> https://hub.docker.com/r/zongxiongchen/iotdb-core <
> https://hub.docker.com/r/zongxiongchen/iotdb-core>
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>

Re: Docker image uploaded under the account of apache

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/iotdb  
looks good to me.

We may have some branding/trademark issues with:
https://hub.docker.com/r/xingtanzjr/iotdb 

https://hub.docker.com/r/fudanyuan/iotdb 

https://hub.docker.com/r/hxdiotdb/iotdb 

https://hub.docker.com/r/dmonesr/iotdb 
https://hub.docker.com/r/zongxiongchen/iotdb-core 


Thanks,
Justin