Re: [Dev] Networking

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

> 1 - Can't connect via wifi  on at least 2 of my computers.  Fails on
> bootup -with message "direct firmware load for rtl9192ce
> /*(DEBLOBBED)/ failed with error -2"  or words to that effect. True of

[...]

> 2 - Still trying to get a workiing install of either LXDE or MATE
> openrc alpa  releases.  Installing to usb sticks.  Install & boots OK,
> looks good.  Cannot connect to any wifi.  Many sites found, fail with
> message "Not authorized to control networking" or words to that
> effect.  Don't have wired connections to most computers.  If it does

Any updates on the status of all this?

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Re: [Dev] Is Iridium safe to use?

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2017-11-15T13:12:23-0800 jc_gargma wrote:
> When you post the results of QtWebEngine, please cc 
> qtwebeng...@qt-project.org 
> so that they are not left out of the loop this time.
> Qt is a friend to the free software community. Please give them the chance to 
> fix the issues.
>
>
> -jc

Could someone plese help? It mostly involves doing the same as we are
doing for Chromium ([1]) and for Discourse ([2]) --- see the tools used
to evaluate the entries, the results I posted there are currently only
in raw, so there is lots of false-positives, but the hints for the tools
and methos should prove useful.

I'm somewhat overworked already, so I can't take any more
entries/packages/software to evaluate.

For all the entries that need [re]evaluation, see [3]. There might be
more to add to [3], but I'm not aware of any currently.

[1] .

[2] .

[3] 
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Re: [Dev] Is Iridium safe to use?

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See the update in the related thread. I'm seeding the text file.

2017-11-15T20:08:35+ Josh Branning wrote:
> Thank you for this.
>
> Could I also request you upload the text file(s) somewhere? I can't
> seem to download them from the lists.gnu.org archive, and that may be
> a problem for people who wish to help try and clarify the licenses.
>
> May also be worth creating a pad, and seeing if people are willing to
> help if it's a long list?
>
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Re: [Dev] Is Iridium safe to use?

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I'd prefer a wiki or a temporary repository. Pads are OK but hard to
keep track of changes without a browser with enough resources and speed
to run the JS and live updates. I'll see where I can put the list.

I just notice that the FSD is having some downtime, perhaps they're
doing maintainance.

Josh Branning <lovell.josh...@gmail.com> writes:

> Thank you for this.
>
> Could I also request you upload the text file(s) somewhere? I can't
> seem to download them from the lists.gnu.org archive, and that may be
> a problem for people who wish to help try and clarify the licenses.
>
> May also be worth creating a pad, and seeing if people are willing to
> help if it's a long list?
>
> Josh
>
> On 15/11/17 20:00, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
>> See the response I gave ([1]) to the new thread in the directory-discuss
>> mailing list ([2]).
>>
>> Apparently it didn't change much, also considering the ambiguities I
>> noted on [1]..
>>
>> I'll try doing the same steps for Iridium and QtWebEngine.
>>
>> [1]
>> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/directory-discuss/2017-11/msg00014.html>.
>>
>> [2]
>> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/directory-discuss/2017-11/msg1.html>.
>>
>> Josh Branning <lovell.josh...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I think the main problem with chromium was that the licenses were/are
>>> not clear enough for some of the files - in that it didn't pass the
>>> ubuntu license checker [1]. What's also concerning, is that it's
>>> suggested on the linked thread, that they are mixing GPL code with
>>> other licenses. I don't think the GPL permits that (even if the code
>>> is only distributed in source form). This may have changed since
>>> ... and I am not a lawyer.
>>>
>>> Licenses aside, chromium apparently links with non-free plugins (not
>>> sure if this is fixed in Iridium).
>>>
>>> But long and short is it may be worth attempting to run the license
>>> checker on Iridium and QTWebengine. I'm speculating that QTWebengine
>>> probably has a higher chance of passing (if either of them actually
>>> do), as there is some confusion over whether the whole engine is
>>> included in the software [or not] ... it has been stated both ways.
>>>
>>> I can see why it's difficult, because if code with unknown licenses
>>> were accepted and then found to be non-free, it may subsequently
>>> effect lots of derivative projects and code (inc. QTWebengine). I
>>> guess this is why some people are nervous about giving chromium the
>>> benefit over the doubt and including it on the basis of good faith.
>>>
>>> Finally the bug in the link below has been closed, if it's a problem
>>> that can be fixed I suggest someone attempts to "re-triage the issue"
>>> if at-all possible.
>>>
>>> [1] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291
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Re: [Dev] Is Iridium safe to use?

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See the response I gave ([1]) to the new thread in the directory-discuss
mailing list ([2]).

Apparently it didn't change much, also considering the ambiguities I
noted on [1]..

I'll try doing the same steps for Iridium and QtWebEngine.

[1] 
.

[2] 
.

Josh Branning  writes:

> I think the main problem with chromium was that the licenses were/are
> not clear enough for some of the files - in that it didn't pass the
> ubuntu license checker [1]. What's also concerning, is that it's
> suggested on the linked thread, that they are mixing GPL code with
> other licenses. I don't think the GPL permits that (even if the code
> is only distributed in source form). This may have changed since
> ... and I am not a lawyer.
>
> Licenses aside, chromium apparently links with non-free plugins (not
> sure if this is fixed in Iridium).
>
> But long and short is it may be worth attempting to run the license
> checker on Iridium and QTWebengine. I'm speculating that QTWebengine
> probably has a higher chance of passing (if either of them actually
> do), as there is some confusion over whether the whole engine is
> included in the software [or not] ... it has been stated both ways.
>
> I can see why it's difficult, because if code with unknown licenses
> were accepted and then found to be non-free, it may subsequently
> effect lots of derivative projects and code (inc. QTWebengine). I
> guess this is why some people are nervous about giving chromium the
> benefit over the doubt and including it on the basis of good faith.
>
> Finally the bug in the link below has been closed, if it's a problem
> that can be fixed I suggest someone attempts to "re-triage the issue"
> if at-all possible.
>
> [1] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291
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Re: [Dev] Is Iridium safe to use?

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

I also have contributed to that thread on directory-discuss mailing
list.

I hope it helps somehow. ;)

bill-auger  writes:

> there is an open issue about this on the parabola bug tracker that you
> can watch if you like
>
> https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1167
>
> i asked donaldr about this last week and he asked that i post to the FSD
> mailing list so hopefully that will re-kindle some discussion -
> unfortunately no one from the FSF has commented on it so that's still
> where it stands today
>
> this issue is almost 10 years old now and it seems highly doubtful that
> it will be resolved ever - if parabola is waiting for the FSF to declare
> chromium to be free then parabola will probably be blacklisting chromium
> and all qtwebengine-based and electron-based programs forever
>
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/directory-discuss/2017-11/msg1.html
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Re: [Dev] zeropar at #parabola: Suggestion to package mist and bisq

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Thanks! ;)

I have made package requests for mist
() and bisq
().

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[Dev] zeropar at #parabola: Suggestion to package mist and bisq

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Yesterday zeropar, a user in the #parabola IRC channel suggested to
package mist and bisq.

I don't know if this is the right place to make such suggestion or if
someone else is already working on this, and I also *don't* know if they
are free/libre (we'll have to investigate that).

Please note that I'm neither in favor nor against packaging these, and
I'm not currently doing it (because I have college degree
finishing/graduation paper/article to finish). Please talk to zeropar
for more information instead.

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Re: [Dev] update your-freedom not to reject firefox

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

It's been a while since I last revisited this issue with Mozilla and its
stuff.

The trademark issue hasn't changed ([1][2]).

Also there is the problem of third-party repositories not commited to
providing only free/libre functional data ([3]).

Mozilla's "trust" on Debian doesn't change much.

[1] 
section "Software Distributions", subsection "Unaltered
Binaries". Contradicts freedom 2 (to share and sell copies of the
original).

[2]

(under CC BY-SA 4.0).

[3]
.

Salil Wadnerkar  writes:

> Debian allows Firefox now without rebranding. What is preventing us
> from doing the same?
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Re: [Dev] Non-free JS at parabola.nu

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I'd like to work on this issue a little bit, but my investigations led
me to another one: [[https://labs.parabola.nu/issues/1405]].

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Re: [Dev] Parabola as an option for Purism Librem laptops

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Thank you very much for the interest. :)

I don't speak for the Parabola project (because I'm in so many projects
that I hardly have time to focus on a single one), but I think that the
Parabola project could support the idea as long as the result complies
with the GNU FSDG --- not to be confused with Debian DFSG ---, noting
however that optionally free/libre isn't enough
([[https://www.gnu.org/distros/optionally-free-not-enough.html]]).

Also, as a personal opinion: I ask that you think carefully before
making another free/libre system distribution. It's best that you
install/provide Parabola as it is. See
[[https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html]], in the paragraphs
before the table in the first section. Also, using the last reference
again, and also judging from what was considered by Falcão /et al./
(2005, licensed under CC BY 2.5 BR, available at
[[http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/bitstream/handle/10438/2673/FGV-CTS%20-%20Software%20livre.pdf]]);
and by Pimentel and Silva (2014, licensed under CC BY 4.0, available at
[[https://periodicos.ufsc.br/index.php/sequencia/article/download/2177-7055.2013v35n68p291/26978]]):
this fragmentation makes free/libre software more unmanageable in the
future for society.


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Re: [Dev] Stallman's talks in Brazil and Argentina

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For the one in Belo Horizonte, Brazil, there'll be a
recording. Unfortunatelly I don't know about the others so far.
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[Dev] Stallman's talks in Brazil and Argentina

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Richard Stallman needs no introduction... but here is one anyway!
Richard Stallman is the author of the GNU GPL, founded the Free Software
Foundation, and started the development of the GNU operating system
(including GNU Emacs, GCC, the coreutils, etc.), which we and tens of
millions of GNU/Linux users love.  However, his main contribution is
philosophical.  He is the father of the Free Software Movement.  He
identified four freedoms that each one of us deserves to be in control
of her computing.  Stallman now dedicates most of his life to advocacy.
In particular, he travels the whole world to eloquently spread awareness
about the Free Software Movement, its ethical foundations and its social
and political necessity.

Richard Stallman will deliver ten talks in Brazil and Argentina,
starting with "A Free Digital Society" in Belo Horizonte on May 29th.
Here is the whole list:

- May 29th, 2pm in Belo Horizonte, Brazil: "A Free Digital Society" (talk
  in English with simultaneous translation in Portuguese, using 300
  headsets) in the Auditório Nobre (640 seats) of the CAD1 building in the
  Pampulha campus of the UFMG;

- May 31st, 4pm in Campinas, Brazil: "Your Freedom as a User of Computers
  and Cell Phones" in the room CB-06 of the Ciclo Básico I (antigo) of the
  Universidade Estadual de Campinas;

- June 2nd, 6pm in Curitiba, Brazil: "Free Software and Your Freedom" in
  the Auditório Prof. Ulysses de Campos in the Applied Social Sciences
  Sector of the UFPR. The organizers of the event are seeking donations to
  provide translation equipment for the speech:
  [[http://rms.curitibalivre.org.br/financiamento-coletivo.shtml]];

- June 5th, in Buenos Aires, Argentina: "Tu Libertad en el Uso de
  Computadoras y Telefonos" (talk in Spanish), precise location and time
  to be determined;

- June 7th, 5pm in Santa Fe, Argentina: "El Software Libre y tu Libertad"
  (talk in Spanish), in the Rectorado of the Universidad Nacional del
  Litoral;

- June 9th, 5pm in Buenos Aires, Argentina: "Copyright vs Comunidad" (talk
  in Spanish), precise location to be determined;

- June 12th, 5pm in San Salvador de Jujuy, Argentina: "Copyright vs
  Comunidad" (talk in Spanish) in the Anfiteatro of the Facultad de
  Ingenieria of the Universidad Nacional de Jujuy;

- June 13th, 6pm in Salta, Argentina: "El Software Libre y tu Libertad"
  (talk in Spanish) in the Universidad Nacional de Salta, precise location
  to be determined;

- June 15th and 16th in Brasilia, Brasil: Stallman needs hosting in that
  city and date. Please contact Alexandre Oliva and ask for the
  requirements: [[http://fsfla.org/~lxoliva/]];

- June 17th, 1pm in Brasília, Brazil: "Free Software and Your Freedom"
  during the Campus Party in Brasília (CPBSB) in the Centro de Convenções
  Ulysses Guimarães, only to CPBSB attendees;

- June 19th in Brasília, Brazil: in the Universidade de Brasília, precise
  location and time to be determined.

Stallman will be selling items to the benefit of the Free Software
Foundation: please bring cash.

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Re: [Dev] Fwd: Re: Article: Chromium's subtle freedom flaws

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I'm in favor of supporting Iridium instead of Chromium.

While people may argue that there are not enough proof that Chromium has
freedom issues, I think it would be more risky if we were to overlook
the issue.

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Re: [Dev] Policy for Package Quarantines

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So far, I'm against "releasing" packages from the quarantine if they are
kept there until "some time", because this "release" would probably
favor "problematic" software rather than favor "innocent" software.

However, I'm in favor of making the reference fields for the quarantine
mandatory, and furthermore: I suggest to have evaluators investigate the
references to see if these are indeed valid and updated before adding a
package to the quarantine in the first place.


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Re: [Dev] Some doubts about Parabola's donations

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

I'm reading the messages about this issue, and I have some suggestions:

I don't know if this serves as valid fiscal sponsors, but perhaps we can
contact Associação Software Livre (ASL, from Brasil) --- not to be
confused with FSFLA ---, and Cooperativa de Trabalho em Tecnologias
Livres (Colivre, also from Brasil).

- ASL: [[http://softwarelivre.org/asl]].
- Colivre: [[http://colivre.coop.br/]].

Also, as future project, perhaps we can contribute to development of GNU
Taler ([[http://www.gnu.org/software/taler/]]), which would allow anyone
to send any-currency-of-money through the Internet (provided there are
other "authority" nodes, probably authorized by local governments, to
make taxations, when applicable to local rules).


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  /software/ livre. Favor entrar em contato em caso de dúvida.
- "People said I should accept the world. Bullshit! I don't accept the
  world."
 --- Richard Stallman
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Re: [Dev] Parabola Game Project - EOMA68

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Hi Jorginho, thank you very much for your interest!

As an eventual contributor (although not very active), I must say that
this is indeed an interesting project to work with.

However, as you might have guessed, by looking at the past news comming
from the Parabola project, one must note that the EOMA68 is a hardware
"connectivity" standard (the name between quotes was put there due to my
lack of understanding of the real type of standard). So, to put it
simple: You might be refering to the Libre Tea Computer Card, one (of
various) product that follows the EOMA68, and the only one of these
which is seeking the Respects Your Freedom (RYF) certification from the Free
Software Foundation (FSF).


Respectfully, Adonay.
-- 
* pt-BR: Brasileiro | en: Brazilian
* pt-BR: Ativista do software livre | en: Free/libre software activist
* 
* pt-BR: Palestrante, consultor e avaliador | en: Speaker, consultant and 
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Re: [Dev] [News] GNU and Bola comic book titled "IoT" is available in British English language!

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

You're welcome! :)


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Re: [Dev] [News] GNU and Bola comic book titled "IoT" is available in British English language!

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Sorry for resurrecting this discussion, but the translation of the
article is ready, and is attached in this email.


Respectfully, Adonay.
-- 
# pt-BR: Brasileiro | en: Brazilian

* pt-BR: Palestra sobre liberdade de software (movimento filosófico 
político-social, não tecnológico).
  * en: Gives talks about software freedom (philosophical, political and social 
movement, not technological).
* pt-BR: Voluntário avaliador de liberdade de software (para software pagos ou 
gratuitos).
  * en: Volunteer evaluator of software freedom (for paid software, or gratis 
software).
* pt-BR: Presta suporte e consultoria básicos sobre software livre.
  * en: Gives basic support and consulting about free/libre software.

## pt-BR: Sobre mim e contato | en: About me and contact




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Re: [Dev] [News] GNU and Bola comic book titled "IoT" is available in British English language!

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

The article is attached in this email.

Is it OK for you to read Brazilian Portuguese? Or do you want me to
translate it?

Remember: The article is "non-official", in the sense that it was never
reviewed and published by a journal.

For those wanting to know the license of the article: I decided to put
it under CC BY-SA 4.0 since:

* Only one reference is under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. That one article happens
to be the one being reviewed, so I might have to change the whole
article if I publish it somewhere.
* The remaining five references are either under CC BY or CC BY-SA.


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Re: [Dev] [News] GNU and Bola comic book titled "IoT" is available in British English language!

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

I recently made a short review of an article about IoT for a college
work. In the review I basically criticized the fact that most materials
about IoT don't mention issues related to the absence of software
freedom, and how it's important to society in general (not just
technical people). It's not technical, since I'm not a technician, and
I'm still doing my bachelor's degree on business administration.

If someone knows a journal where I can publish this short review, I
thank you all, specially if they have clear licensing policies to at
least allow sharing of the articles.

I support IoT things, **but** I demand software freedom for society (not
just me) first, this is my *sine qua non* (condition without which
there's no "deal"/support). This is probably what all free/libre
software demand for anyways, I'm just telling you this in case there are
newcomers here.


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Re: [Dev] [libreplanet-discuss] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

My first attempt was to discuss and suggest better wordings for both
older and upcoming publications. I didn't intend to make accusations and
such.

This is why I sent several messages here suggesting both "parties" of
the discussion to simply analise the issue and, if needed, correct not
only the future publications, but also the older ones.

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Re: [Dev] [libreplanet-discuss] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

This issue of "you said it is 'libre' but I prove it's not", and even
the issue regarding the older publication on ThinkPenguin's site, can be
easily solved by changing terms/words accordingly there. There's no need
to make everyone mad at each other.

For example, we can publish updates on these publications, that have the
purpose of replacing confusing terms like "free software friendly" with
"compatible with free/libre system distributions" (or the similar term
that RMS suggested).

Remember, the issue about usage of confusing words have two ways to be
dealt with:

* We can discuss and try to convince each other on why our position is
the right one (whichever side it is).

* Or we can simply fix the text for now.

* Or we can do both described above.

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Re: [Dev] Misleading information in EOMA68 news

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Just now, I **have** subscribed to Parabola's dev mailing list. So I'll
try to catch-up with this topic. :)

I'm inserting libreplanet-discuss and trisquel-users mailing lists as
recipients of this email because of my opinion on Tiberiu-Cezar
Tehnoetic's message
().

I'm also inserting a member of ThinkPenguin as recipient so as to let
him know the issue found by Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic, which is discussed
furthermore in this email.

I agree with Paul Kocialkowski's original message
().
Furthermore, my **last** edit in the original pad
() is perhaps
the most correct one (if the timeslider references don't change over
time, it should be
, 
saved July 24th, 2016. After this version, the misleading text gets 
added).


About Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic's message
():
Indeed, the use of "free software friendly" to also mean "fully free
software" or "freedom-respecting" is a communication noise (article on
Wikipedia: ).
Basically, in context of marketing (not sales), a communication noise
happens when **either** the senders or receivers of a message
distort-or-misunderstand the message.

Besides, I'm inserting a member of ThinkPenguin as recipient of this
email so as to let him know the issue that Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic found
in ThinkPenguin's website content. This was done so as to make it easier
for ThinkPenguin to see the issue. This **is not** meant to be taken
offensively.

Regarding the difference between FSF's RYF-certification and "true"
"respects your freedom" (as pointed out by Paul Kocialkowski on
): I
don't work for the FSF, and I don't speak for them, but I've been
studying the purpose of RYF for some time, and so far I noticed that RYF
certification is meant to say the following message to society: this
products are certified because, by default, they come with **maximum**
free/libre software that our movement recognizes as free/libre, **up to
where free/libre software is known to exist for**, or up to where
there's no technological limitations as to how to interact with such
software (this **differs** from "digital handcuffs).

Rephrasing the previous paragraph: According to what I have researched
so far, the idea of RYF certification **is-not** to say that these
products are "freedom respecting" in a binary (0 or 1; true or false)
scale, but in a gradual scale (which assumes that, once a new free/libre
software is known to work inside secondary embedded processors (e.g.:
some storage devices, some keyboards, some mouses), then the
already-certified products will be given a time limit to provide an
improved version that uses/provides the newly found free/libre
software).

On the ambiguity of "free software
friendly" 
(): I 
agree that "compatible with fully free operating systems" should be used 
instead. Personally, I have caught **myself** using "free software 
friendly" sometimes, although I use the other one in most cases. 
Besides, using the same reference: I think that the text on GNU.org 
about free/libre hardware designs serves as definitive definition to the 
hardware scenario. However, as noted on the articles there, it's not 
something easy to deny usage of hardware with non-free designs since 
there's no know hardware with free/libre design for use that enables 
society to do their computing in freedom.


And "RYF certified" can be included inside "free software friendly"
although care must be taken so as not to make the public think that they
are the same, just as it happens in the case of "open source software"
vs. "free/libre software".
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