Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
Hi Varun, everyone, 2010/8/25 Varun Mittal varunmitta...@gmail.com Oracle anywayz filed a suit only against Google. Oracle filed a patent suit against Google's implementation of Oracle's open-source Java in Google's open-source Android OS. How does that not undermine Oracle's relationship to open-source? Any Open Source project is dependent on its community and not on a company for its survival. You're right. That's one of the best things about open-source -- a good project never dies (unless it's killed by patent suits). Secondly market has enough MS hater corporates who would like to support anything which hurt MS on its one of the most profitable products. Actually, most people hate MS because of its evil monopolistic tactics used in killing the competition. That's exactly how Oracle is now behaving: it's attacking one of the most successful fruits of open-source because of a ridiculous patent suit concerning, surprisingly, its open-source Java. And that really makes me move away from Oracle... Anyway, I really hope OOo is branched by some other company that will really dedicate time and (donated or ad-gained) money to the suite, really make it the best possible office suite ever, take over its massive user base.
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
Hi, Mirek M. wrote (26-08-10 11:41) 2010/8/25 Varun Mittalvarunmitta...@gmail.com Oracle anywayz filed a suit only against Google. it's attacking one of the most successful fruits of open-source because of a ridiculous patent suit concerning, surprisingly, its open-source Java. And that really makes me move away from Oracle... I do not know details - those are not yet known public, let alone that they are judged. So to me it sounds a bit premature to say that the patent suit is ridiculous. Anyway, I really hope OOo is branched by some other company that will really dedicate time and (donated or ad-gained) money to the suite, really make it the best possible office suite ever, take over its massive user base. Did you ever think about time and money that Sun Microsystems did and now Oracle does invest in OpenOffice.org, that you can just download for free, several new versions a year, as much as you want? Regards, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] flying discs quotation
Hi Kami, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote on 2010-08-25 12.50: Please check the attached file. It is related to FD and it is a preview. looks good to me! Except that one gull's wing is cut off on the left side ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] flying discs quotation
Hi Kami, Looks good! thanks for taking care of everything! Regards, Rosana On 08/26/10 13:50, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Kami, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote on 2010-08-25 12.50: Please check the attached file. It is related to FD and it is a preview. looks good to me! Except that one gull's wing is cut off on the left side ;) Florian -- Rosana Ardila Biela | Marketing Manager Phone: +49 (0)40 23 646 722 Oracle Office ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven
Re: [marketing] flying discs quotation
floeff wrote: Hi Kami, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote on 2010-08-25 12.50: Please check the attached file. It is related to FD and it is a preview. looks good to me! Except that one gull's wing is cut off on the left side ;) This is prabably because the graphic is smaller than the disc. Imagine a white circle around the graphic as broad as the distance between cut off wing and border and you will get our normal gull orb. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] flying discs quotation
floeff wrote: Hi Kami, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote on 2010-08-25 12.50: Please check the attached file. It is related to FD and it is a preview. looks good to me! Except that one gull's wing is cut off on the left side ;) This is prabably because the graphic is smaller than the disc. Imagine a white circle around the graphic as broad as the distance between cut off wing and border and you will get our normal gull orb. Best regards Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
Hi again, 2010/8/26 Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl Hi, Mirek M. wrote (26-08-10 11:41) 2010/8/25 Varun Mittalvarunmitta...@gmail.com Oracle anywayz filed a suit only against Google. it's attacking one of the most successful fruits of open-source because of a ridiculous patent suit concerning, surprisingly, its open-source Java. And that really makes me move away from Oracle... I do not know details - those are not yet known public, let alone that they are judged. So to me it sounds a bit premature to say that the patent suit is ridiculous. Actually, these details are known. Have a look at, for example, http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100813112425821, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/oracle_google_java_prosecution/, or http://techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml And besides, many people, including me, believe that software patents are counterproductive and ridiculous. Anyway, I really hope OOo is branched by some other company that will really dedicate time and (donated or ad-gained) money to the suite, really make it the best possible office suite ever, take over its massive user base. Did you ever think about time and money that Sun Microsystems did and now Oracle does invest in OpenOffice.org, that you can just download for free, several new versions a year, as much as you want? Yes, I never said it didn't. What I meant was that another company should take OOo and fix it up (kind of like what Go-oo does), make it even better, take over the userbase. One thing that always bothered me was how messily structured the OOo's community participation was, and how long it took to actually get things done. (Take the new colorless OOo icons, which a large part of the OOo userbase wants color-coded again. It shouldn't be hard to just replace the new icon files with the old icon files, or to put some color into the new icons...) Regards, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
2010/8/26 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi again, 2010/8/26 Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl Hi, Mirek M. wrote (26-08-10 11:41) 2010/8/25 Varun Mittalvarunmitta...@gmail.com Oracle anywayz filed a suit only against Google. it's attacking one of the most successful fruits of open-source because of a ridiculous patent suit concerning, surprisingly, its open-source Java. And that really makes me move away from Oracle... I do not know details - those are not yet known public, let alone that they are judged. So to me it sounds a bit premature to say that the patent suit is ridiculous. Actually, these details are known. Have a look at, for example, http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100813112425821, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/oracle_google_java_prosecution/, or http://techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml And besides, many people, including me, believe that software patents are counterproductive and ridiculous. Anyway, I really hope OOo is branched by some other company that will really dedicate time and (donated or ad-gained) money to the suite, really make it the best possible office suite ever, take over its massive user base. Did you ever think about time and money that Sun Microsystems did and now Oracle does invest in OpenOffice.org, that you can just download for free, several new versions a year, as much as you want? For clarification, I'm not saying Oracle didn't invest time into OOo. I'm just saying I don't want to support a company like Oracle or MS (MS also puts a lot of time and money into its suite, much more than Oracle)... Yes, I never said it didn't. What I meant was that another company should take OOo and fix it up (kind of like what Go-oo does), make it even better, take over the userbase. One thing that always bothered me was how messily structured the OOo's community participation was, and how long it took to actually get things done. (Take the new colorless OOo icons, which a large part of the OOo userbase wants color-coded again. It shouldn't be hard to just replace the new icon files with the old icon files, or to put some color into the new icons...) Regards, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Did you ever think about time and money that Sun Microsystems did and now Oracle does invest in OpenOffice.org, that you can just download for free, several new versions a year, as much as you want? There is an issue with the JCA/SCA. Some people complained when it was still Sun, but with Oracle it's worse. All code contributed to the project is shared with Oracle. Oracle owns it and can use all the code in a closed source project. That means Oracle can use the LPGLed code and dual licence it in a closed way, without asking anyone. So, if Oracle loses money, it can make something like it's doing with OpenSolaris. It won't kill the project, but can invest heavily on features only on the StarOffice side. Porting to the OOo suite (LGPLing it) months latter or not porting some parts at all. Who will want to contribute to someone who makes money from your work, for free? Even in the actual scenario, some pleople may consider contributing code to the Oracle. Giving your code for free in such a way you can't regret or revoke. Just a consideration about open source licences. You can open source it, but it still YOUR code. It never will become anyone codes. The other people can use, alter, distribute, even they can use a COMPATIBLE licence if you let. The JCA/SCA means the code is not only yours, it's Oracle's code too. The same way you can close the source of your code or dual licence (tri-licence, et all), Oracle can do it too. It can close the source and *sell* the closed source to third parties. While LPGL means the LPGLed code will be free forever, they can get the LGPLed code and not contribute with LGPL anymore (since they OWN the code and can relicence it). So, after that point, they can make all efforts on the closed side and open the source if and when they want. So... considering the contributors on code inside and outside Oracle, what would happen to the project? Being an open project means we should have no fear on opening it all and investing on an OOo Foundation. Where some kind of JCA would still be applicable, but with the owner clearly not going to close the source. Not leveraging on JCA/SCA with Oracle to contribute, would free the contributors and would increase true community participation. There is a lot of people from the community which contribute to the project even with the JCA, but there are some people who doesn't. Also being free from Oracle would make it easier to fix on the community needings and that kind of open development would attract more contributors. Just my 2 cents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Varun, everyone, 2010/8/25 Varun Mittal varunmitta...@gmail.com Oracle anywayz filed a suit only against Google. Oracle filed a patent suit against Google's implementation of Oracle's open-source Java in Google's open-source Android OS. How does that not undermine Oracle's relationship to open-source? Well Google didn't use open source to start with. When Java was liberated it created an OpenJDK platform. Danger (the original company that created android) forked J2ME which is NOT free. So they had that risk from the start, they just bet that Sun would never sue them for that. Any Open Source project is dependent on its community and not on a company for its survival. You're right. That's one of the best things about open-source -- a good project never dies (unless it's killed by patent suits). Well the linux kernel is killed by patents from microsoft, yet I havent seen it slow down by any means. Remember Microsoft lawsuits to TomTom and HTC over patents over the Linux Kernel and the indemnification contracts against Linux distros such as Novell and others? Secondly market has enough MS hater corporates who would like to support anything which hurt MS on its one of the most profitable products. Actually, most people hate MS because of its evil monopolistic tactics used in killing the competition. That's exactly how Oracle is now behaving: it's attacking one of the most successful fruits of open-source because of a ridiculous patent suit concerning, surprisingly, its open-source Java. And that really makes me move away from Oracle... Anyway, I really hope OOo is branched by some other company that will really dedicate time and (donated or ad-gained) money to the suite, really make it the best possible office suite ever, take over its massive user base. Well OpenOffice.org is also carry by Novell, IBM and other companies, however that is not the point. OpenOffice.org is not modifying Java and forking it, also there is really no connection between Google's success and Oracle lawsuit. After all if you were only watching newspapers, this lawsuit came 1 week after Eric Schmidt said that they will have 1 billion Android phones in less than 5 years. This was just an invite for companies to capitalize out of others success. The medium which they choose, possibly is the quickest and more aggressive. In the end, is just business as usual. -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. wrote (26-08-10 16:47) 2010/8/26 Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl Mirek M. wrote (26-08-10 11:41) 2010/8/25 Varun Mittalvarunmitta...@gmail.com Oracle anywayz filed a suit only against Google. it's attacking one of the most successful fruits of open-source because of a ridiculous patent suit concerning, surprisingly, its open-source Java. And that really makes me move away from Oracle... I do not know details - those are not yet known public, let alone that they are judged. So to me it sounds a bit premature to say that the patent suit is ridiculous. Actually, these details are known. Have a look at, for example, http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100813112425821, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/oracle_google_java_prosecution/, or http://techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml And besides, many people, including me, believe that software patents are counterproductive and ridiculous. Me too are an opponent of software patents. That does not automatically imply, for me anyway, that in current circumstances the patent suit is ridiculous. (Still, I did not read much of the linked articles.) Anyway, I really hope OOo is branched by some other company that will really dedicate time and (donated or ad-gained) money to the suite, really make it the best possible office suite ever, take over its massive user base. Did you ever think about time and money that Sun Microsystems did and now Oracle does invest in OpenOffice.org, that you can just download for free, several new versions a year, as much as you want? Yes, I never said it didn't. What I meant was that another company should take OOo and fix it up (kind of like what Go-oo does), make it even better, take over the userbase. One thing that always bothered me was how messily structured the OOo's community participation was, and how long it took to actually get things done. This critique is justified I think, though I am not sure if go-oo, which you mention - 'cures all our diseases'. (You may notice that I criticised quite some issues in mails, council logs, ...) However, we are not sure what another sponsor or additional sponsors will bring for improvement here. How much we may criticise things, fact is that Sun did a really lot for OpenOffice.org. As far as I know, there are about roughly a hundred people working at the Hamburg office. That means more than 10 mlns salary every year. Apparently they managed (eventually) to get that done... (This all are common sense estimates: I do not know any business data from Hamburg. And if I did know, obviously I would not write about it.) We do not know if Oracle will put extra business goals on the team - apart from say; 'a bit better than break even'. Maybe they do. Maybe they will see OpenOffice.org as a special case, because of technology, spin-offs, or better market possibilities in other areas... It is not at all said that another main sponsor would do just as good as Hamburg does now, or do better. What I do hope, that we find a way to better organize the mutual interest of more big players within the OpenOffice.org-area. Say IBM, Novell, RedOffice, Canonical, ... Currently, the field of Hamburg and the 'volunteer' community is more or less organised. However, possibilities to really profit from the mutual interest from more big companies, look utilized very poorly, IMO. In an open source project, there must be changes for a larger multiplier effect, than we currently have. I hope that we find ways to realise that. To me, that has much more potential than 'just another' main sponsor. With better changes for Hamburg too. (Take the new colorless OOo icons, which a large part of the OOo userbase wants color-coded again. It shouldn't be hard to just replace the new icon files with the old icon files, or to put some color into the new icons...) Technical wise it would not, of course. Interesting example ;-) Regards, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
Hi Alexandro, everyone, 2010/8/26 Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Varun, everyone, 2010/8/25 Varun Mittal varunmitta...@gmail.com Oracle anywayz filed a suit only against Google. Oracle filed a patent suit against Google's implementation of Oracle's open-source Java in Google's open-source Android OS. How does that not undermine Oracle's relationship to open-source? Well Google didn't use open source to start with. When Java was liberated it created an OpenJDK platform. Danger (the original company that created android) forked J2ME which is NOT free. So they had that risk from the start, they just bet that Sun would never sue them for that. I thought J2ME was open-sourced in 2006 under the GNU GPL... BTW, here is Oracle's complaint: http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/08/12/oracle-sues-google-over-android/ (scroll down) Any Open Source project is dependent on its community and not on a company for its survival. You're right. That's one of the best things about open-source -- a good project never dies (unless it's killed by patent suits). Well the linux kernel is killed by patents from microsoft, yet I havent seen it slow down by any means. Remember Microsoft lawsuits to TomTom and HTC over patents over the Linux Kernel and the indemnification contracts against Linux distros such as Novell and others? You're right, the Linux kernel lives on. That doesn't mean that there aren't projects that haven't been destroyed or hurt by patent suits. It's usually the smaller, budding projects that this hurts, because those don't have the same kind of financial support or customer backing that big projects do. Secondly market has enough MS hater corporates who would like to support anything which hurt MS on its one of the most profitable products. Actually, most people hate MS because of its evil monopolistic tactics used in killing the competition. That's exactly how Oracle is now behaving: it's attacking one of the most successful fruits of open-source because of a ridiculous patent suit concerning, surprisingly, its open-source Java. And that really makes me move away from Oracle... Anyway, I really hope OOo is branched by some other company that will really dedicate time and (donated or ad-gained) money to the suite, really make it the best possible office suite ever, take over its massive user base. Well OpenOffice.org is also carry by Novell, IBM and other companies, however that is not the point. Novell and IBM contribute, but that doesn't mean they control it. They have their own branches of OOo, but, unfortunately, Novell's Go-oo is just a patched version of the mainstream OOo (it's not an independent project) and IBM's Lotus Symphony is proprietary. OpenOffice.org is not modifying Java and forking it, also there is really no connection between Google's success and Oracle lawsuit. After all if you were only watching newspapers, this lawsuit came 1 week after Eric Schmidt said that they will have 1 billion Android phones in less than 5 years. This was just an invite for companies to capitalize out of others success. The medium which they choose, possibly is the quickest and more aggressive. In the end, is just business as usual. What?? If Mozilla says it has reached a billion Firefox downloads, is it inviting others to sue them? Is it really the one to blame for getting hit with a patent suit when they announce this? -- Alexandro Colorado OpenOffice.org Español http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
Hi Cor, 2010/8/26 Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl Hi Mirek, Mirek M. wrote (26-08-10 16:47) 2010/8/26 Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl Mirek M. wrote (26-08-10 11:41) 2010/8/25 Varun Mittalvarunmitta...@gmail.com Oracle anywayz filed a suit only against Google. it's attacking one of the most successful fruits of open-source because of a ridiculous patent suit concerning, surprisingly, its open-source Java. And that really makes me move away from Oracle... I do not know details - those are not yet known public, let alone that they are judged. So to me it sounds a bit premature to say that the patent suit is ridiculous. Actually, these details are known. Have a look at, for example, http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100813112425821, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/oracle_google_java_prosecution/, or http://techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml And besides, many people, including me, believe that software patents are counterproductive and ridiculous. Me too are an opponent of software patents. That does not automatically imply, for me anyway, that in current circumstances the patent suit is ridiculous. (Still, I did not read much of the linked articles.) Anyway, I really hope OOo is branched by some other company that will really dedicate time and (donated or ad-gained) money to the suite, really make it the best possible office suite ever, take over its massive user base. Did you ever think about time and money that Sun Microsystems did and now Oracle does invest in OpenOffice.org, that you can just download for free, several new versions a year, as much as you want? Yes, I never said it didn't. What I meant was that another company should take OOo and fix it up (kind of like what Go-oo does), make it even better, take over the userbase. One thing that always bothered me was how messily structured the OOo's community participation was, and how long it took to actually get things done. This critique is justified I think, though I am not sure if go-oo, which you mention - 'cures all our diseases'. It doesn't. It's basically just OOo with a few extensions and patches by default. The rest is the same old OOo. But it's a good starting point for a new branch. (You may notice that I criticised quite some issues in mails, council logs, ...) However, we are not sure what another sponsor or additional sponsors will bring for improvement here. How much we may criticise things, fact is that Sun did a really lot for OpenOffice.org. As far as I know, there are about roughly a hundred people working at the Hamburg office. That means more than 10 mlns salary every year. Apparently they managed (eventually) to get that done... (This all are common sense estimates: I do not know any business data from Hamburg. And if I did know, obviously I would not write about it.) I liked Sun. It did a lot for OpenOffice.org and for open-source in general. We do not know if Oracle will put extra business goals on the team - apart from say; 'a bit better than break even'. Maybe they do. Maybe they will see OpenOffice.org as a special case, because of technology, spin-offs, or better market possibilities in other areas... I think they'll see OpenOffice.org as a business opportunity. After all, they renamed StarOffice to Oracle Open Office, so that it's easier to capitalize on the brand name of OpenOffice.org. But I don't think Oracle will be quite as open-source friendly as Sun was. It is not at all said that another main sponsor would do just as good as Hamburg does now, or do better. What I do hope, that we find a way to better organize the mutual interest of more big players within the OpenOffice.org-area. Say IBM, Novell, RedOffice, Canonical, ... That'd be nice. There's definitely opportunity there: OOo seems to be the second most used office suite and the success of Linux distributions can be attributed in a large part to OOo (Linux without a usable and compatible office suite would discourage a lot of people; not to say that KOffice or GNOME Office have not influenced anything either). Currently, the field of Hamburg and the 'volunteer' community is more or less organised. However, possibilities to really profit from the mutual interest from more big companies, look utilized very poorly, IMO. In an open source project, there must be changes for a larger multiplier effect, than we currently have. I hope that we find ways to realise that. To me, that has much more potential than 'just another' main sponsor. With better changes for Hamburg too. (Take the new colorless OOo icons, which a large part of the OOo userbase wants color-coded again. It shouldn't be hard to just replace the new icon files with the old icon files, or to put some color into the new icons...) Technical wise it would not, of course. Interesting example ;-) Regards, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new
Re: [marketing] Don't Count on Oracle to Keep OpenOffice.org Alive
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: Well Google didn't use open source to start with. When Java was liberated it created an OpenJDK platform. Danger (the original company that created android) forked J2ME which is NOT free. So they had that risk from the start, they just bet that Sun would never sue them for that. Regardless the licence of dalkiv, it is NOT a fork of J2ME. There is a GPL licence for J2ME but a big issue. For exceptions, you have to inherit from Exception. On OpenJDK, Exception is not GPL. That's good because it allows closed source to run on top of OpenJDK. But with J2ME, Exception is GPL. That means any program using any exception running on an LPGLed version of J2ME would have to be GPL. That would kill little companies and persons putting paid programs on the market place. So Google built a JVM from scratch. The issue with Oracle is software patents, not copyrights. It looks like there are some weak calls on copying code, api or docs. The issue with open source on this case is that even someone using OpenJDK may suffer from patent attack from Oracle. That's it. OpenJDK is not a full compliant specification. So, using thie open source piece you can suffer from patent attack. Another interesting news is that OpenSolaris won't get the code from Oracle in real time. As the licence allows, Oracle will release a binary with the new development being closed and releasing the code on CDDL months latter. That's not desired and this model is what I though Oracle could use for OOo. Release an paid binary and releases the LGPL code months latter. Well OpenOffice.org is also carry by Novell, IBM and other companies, however that is not the point. OpenOffice.org is not modifying Java and forking it, also there is really no connection between Google's success and Oracle lawsuit. Neither OpenSolaris was. And what happened? The community will have to fork or use another alternative (which is more likely to happen, because there is a project similar). I agreed with Cor, Sun spent a lot of money on OOo and other open source projects. But be aware Sun failed to monetize. Oracle bought Sun. Oracle changed the way they treat OpenSolaris (which won't be named so anymore), with intention to monetize. So... they spend a lot of money per year with OOo... how much they get in revenue? There is no guarantee they will never change the way they treat OOo. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
