Re: RE: RE: RE: Project status - time to retire?

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

>You did realise that you are actually part of the PPMC?

As is Brian Spector who also contributed to this thread.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: RE: RE: RE: Project status - time to retire?

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Sorry if two similar email show up, but I think my first may of been lost.

Re the "access issue" I've look at you roster and the initial committers/PPMC 
list and it seems that 11 people didn't sign ICLAs, without an ICLA you cannot 
get access. Of the 5 who did (including yourself) I added them to the roster. 
Why this hadn't been done I've no idea as it's a simple process, so I'm not 
sure who you have been talking to to sort out these access issues. You can find 
the current roster here. [1] You did realise that you are actually part of the 
PPMC?

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/milagro

RE: RE: Project status - time to retire?

[Go Yamamoto]

Hi Justin,

We know the reports are missing, and that is why we have been requesting for 
help.
Our PMCs are contributed mainly by Miracl, and they say they have an external 
reason and will need time to decide continuing the contribution.

What is the blocker for ASF to help us to add PMC members?

Regards,
Go Yamamoto


-Original Message-
From: Justin Mclean [mailto:jmcl...@apache.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 11:04 PM
To: d...@milagro.apache.org
Subject: Re: RE: Project status - time to retire?

Hi,

Retire doesn't mean the project no longer exists, it can continue to live on 
somewhere (e.g GitHub), just not at the ASF. That's OK the ASF is not for 
everyone and a different way of operating as an open source project may be 
better for you.

The facts as I see them: You have missed multiple board reports in a row and 
repeated requests to submit one have been ignored. Your last submitted board 
report was in November 2017 [1] as far as I can tell, please correct me if I'm 
mistaken. Anyone can write the board report, even if your PPMC is missing.

It is a requirement that the reports are submitted quarterly, if you miss one 
(which is OK) they need to be submitted in the next month, so by my rough 
calculations that makes 10 months in a row this project has not reported. There 
is little to no email on this mailing list and it seems that any activity that 
is taking place external to the repos hosted at the ASF. 

Does anyone disagree with the above?

Given all this can someone tell me what benefit it will the project gain from 
continuing to be in the Apache incubator?

I'm sorry but I don't see that people are ready to jump in and help out here or 
they would of done that. I'm also sorry that you don't support the idea of 
retirement, but if there is no project oversight by the PPMC and activity is 
happening elsewhere then I can't see how project can continue in the Apache 
incubator. Currently I can't see how this project could graduate as a TLP 
Apache project without a lot of work.

If any of the mentors of this project disagree with anything I've said above 
please speak up, as you know this project far better than I.

Thanks,
Justin
V.P. Incubator

1. https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Milagro.html