Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)

2018-02-25 Thread Antonio

Hi all,

This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's 
podling website requirements. Feel free to submit PRs as you see fit.


I've uploaded the bits at https://netbeans.vieiro.net temporarily, to 
verify that the "see this page in github" links work properly. This 
won't track master, and may dissappear within a few days.


Thanks all involved and those giving comments and ideas.

Have fun,
Antonio

== Main goals

As Geertjan outlined in the mailing list thread the main goals for the 
netbeans.apache.org website are, in order of importance:


1- Have a proper IDE features page.
2- Port the IDE tutorials.
3- Have a platform specific page.

Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere:

- Improve image visualization (lightbox, for instance).
- Add proper retina images (including the NetBeans logo).
- The wiki pages should be reviewed, after review the bottom of the page 
should contain the review date.


== Going live

AFAIK the website won't go live until we update the content to the 
"asf-site" branch (i.e., until we copy the generated HTML into that 
branch), as I think this branch is currently connected with the web 
server through Apache's gitpubsub.


I'll try to find out the details.

== netbeans.apache.org help materials

- The README at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org
explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc.

- The templates directory README
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/templates
has information about building templates as "Groovy Server Pages" files, 
as well as the initial templates we're using.


- The scss directory at
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss
Contains the initial SCSS files from Foundation adapted to netbeans.

Other useful links:

- jbake http://jbake.org/docs/2.5.1/
- foundation 6 for sites https://foundation.zurb.com/sites/docs/
- for those using asciidoc the AsciiDoc Writer's Guide at 
https://asciidoctor.org/docs/asciidoc-writers-guide/


== bits.netbeans.org

The ant script at bits.netbeans.org needs some love to properly generate 
NetBeans javadoc files + arch stuff (properly tagged with release 
information, etc.). The directory structure from current 
"bits.netbeans.org" does not match the existing one.


AFAIK we haven't set up a webserver for this domain, I imagine we can do 
this later on (probably using gitpubsub too in another "api" branch).




On 23/02/18 08:19, Antonio wrote:

Hi all,

Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments 
regarding the NetBeans website.


As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many 
different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for 
main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, 
"wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains.


The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, 
Wade consolidated it in github's 
"apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle 
build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content 
is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files.


As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle 
reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a 
simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. 
We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance 
procedures.


So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's 
"incubator-netbeans-website" [2].


The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans 
subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and 
"netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ 
content for those different websites. Currently we have:


- bits.netbeans.org
     Currently builds the javadoc from sources.

- netbeans.apache.org
     - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages.
     - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 
framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper 
SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs.
     - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo 
for these in the future, though.
     - We've uploaded the result of this static site to 
https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this 
page in github" won't work until/if this branch merges to master).


So to summarize, the objectives are:

1. Have all NetBeans websites in a single repo, with different folders 
for each. Maybe we want to share stuff among them in the future.

2. Have some scripts to build static content for those websites.
3. For web sites, make them comply with Apache's guidelines for web 
sites [4]


If you think the idea is good enough then we may merge 

Re: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-25 Thread John Muczynski
Hi guys,

At work we commit binaries (products of a build) into a binary repository
(Artifactory).

In order to bundle them along with the jar files, a Java build then fetches
these hard-to-build pieces, made by the other build. They are specified
with a specific version number by using Maven coordinates.

Kind regards,
Johnny



On Feb 25, 2018 12:51 AM, "Jan Lahoda"  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Eric Barboni  wrote:
>
> > Hi Jan,
> >
> >  I try to  make it concrete to me (as I am not sure to understand
> > completely the workflow).
> >
> > We may add a folder to nbbuild/buildnatives that contains all the make c
> > stuff to compile and release (linked to the source we need for example in
> > o.n.bootstrap and ide/native)
> >
> > Phase 1  (optional)
> > clone netbeans-incubator and execute the nbbuild/buildnatives
> >
>
> As Emilian noted, not sure if we need another directory. Maybe we could
> just have a few special targets in nbbuild/build.xml, that would delegate
> to appropriate Makefiles.
>
>
> > Phase 2
> > clone netbeans-incubator ,ant and use the released native
> >
>
> Yes.
>
> Overall, I think there are two important things:
> -folks building NetBeans shouldn't need to have a C/C++ compiler installed
> -NetBeans builds should be multi-platform (so that doing a build on Linux
> gets a binary that can run on Windows)
>
> There are only very few native components, so overall, this should be
> doable.
>
> Traditionally, we had the launchers checked-in directly in the repository,
> but that's not allowed in ASF. Hence the idea with releasing launchers
> separately. But if there's a better solution, I'm for it.
>
> Jan
>
>
> > Is it a "possible" workflow ?
> >
> > Regards
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De : Jan Lahoda [mailto:lah...@gmail.com]
> > Envoyé : vendredi 23 février 2018 13:10
> > À : dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Objet : Re: launcher for windows and building c file
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Eric Barboni  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >  I know that Apache Openoffice use buildbot[1,2] with cygwin on it.
> > >
> > > We need ask Apache Infra for that. We also need a new repository.
> > >
> >
> > We can definitely ask for a new repository, but do we need one? I.e. why
> > can't the sources be part of the main repo, and just produce a release
> as a
> > subset of that repo? (We already do that with the NB platform.)
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >
> > > Regards
> > > Eric
> > > [1]
> > > https://ci.apache.org/builders/aoo-w741x
> > > [2]
> > > https://ci.apache.org/buildbot.html
> > >
> > > -Message d'origine-
> > > De : Jan Lahoda [mailto:lah...@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 23 février
> > > 2018 12:02 À : dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Objet : Re: launcher
> > > for windows and building c file
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Eric Barboni 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >  I setup cygwin64 on windows 10. Thanks to your tips I update to
> > > > i686* tools chain.
> > > >  I add to static link libgcc, libstdc++ and also add -static
> > > > lpthread to get it works.
> > > >
> > > >  Artefact are huge now but I was able test some code to check for
> > > > jdk9 compatibility.
> > > >
> > > >  The remaining issue are:
> > > >  how  to generate the platform-launcher-9.0beta.zip and
> > > > launcher.zip, how to populate the external binaries repository with
> > > > those artefact
> > > >
> > >
> > > When I was thinking of this, I was thinking it would be in line with
> > > the Apache approach to create a separate release with just the
> > > launchers (this wouldn't quite require moving that ouside of the repo,
> > > it could be a task to simply pack a piece of the big repo). That would
> > > be sources and convenience binaries. Should be reasonably small. And
> > > when building the IDE, the convenience binaries for launchers would be
> > > downloaded and incorporated to the built IDE. I assume some work will
> > > be needed to setup such a release. It would be ideal if the
> > > convenience binaries would be uploaded to Maven. Upload to the legacy
> > > binary repository requires commit rights to hg.netbeans.org.
> > >
> > > Are there build machines at Apache that have mingw? It would be
> > > definitely good to have an "official" build.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >  Jan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  -Message d'origine-
> > > > De : John Muczynski [mailto:johnst...@gmail.com] Envoyé : mercredi
> > > > 21 février 2018 19:10 À : dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Objet :
> > Re:
> > > > launcher for windows and building c file
> > > >
> > > > Hi Eric,
> > > >
> > > > These are excellent issues to unearth.
> > > > I like the idea of creating a setup to build the executable.
> > > >
> > > > Here at work, we don't build the launcher too often.
> > > > We keep a zip of C:\cygwin from a set of cygwin files that 

AW: Netbeans quick outline plugin

2018-02-25 Thread Christian Lenz
That would be great. I thought on such a plugin too, please Keep in mind, that 
we Need it for C/C++, Java, JavaScript, PHP and what NetBeans also Support. 
Maybe HTML XML too but could be optional.

If this is not possible, with a 3rd Party plugin, because you have to get the 
JS, PHP C/C++ Parser Tokens to identify private, public, functions, members, 
classes etc. (This is, AFAIK, only possible for Java). You can implement it 
into the NetBeans core, instead of a plugin.


Cheers

Chris 

Von: Peter Cheung
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Februar 2018 19:32
An: d...@platform.netbeans.org
Cc: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Netbeans quick outline plugin

http://peter.quantr.hk/2018/02/netbeans-quick-outline/



Netbeans quick outline plugin

2018-02-25 Thread Peter Cheung
http://peter.quantr.hk/2018/02/netbeans-quick-outline/


Re: ActionReference has bug ?

2018-02-25 Thread Peter Cheung
This works when i press Ctrl-P

@ActionReference(path = "Shortcuts", name = "C-P")


This doesn't work when i press Command-P in mac, i only see menu is blinking

@ActionReference(path = "Shortcuts", name = "M-P")


Thanks
>From Peter



From: Peter Cheung 
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 12:52 AM
To: d...@platform.netbeans.org
Cc: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: ActionReference has bug ?

Hi All

 Why "Menu/Navigate" will put my action into another Navigate menu rather 
than the existing one? Why i press the shortcut key, i only see the menu is 
blinking but the actionPerformed() hasn't run?


Thanks



package hk.quantr.netbeansquickoutline;


import java.awt.event.ActionEvent;

import java.awt.event.ActionListener;

import javax.swing.JOptionPane;

import org.openide.awt.ActionID;

import org.openide.awt.ActionReference;

import org.openide.awt.ActionReferences;

import org.openide.awt.ActionRegistration;

import org.openide.util.NbBundle.Messages;


@ActionID(

category = "Navigate",

id = "hk.quantr.netbeansquickoutline.SomeAction"

)

@ActionRegistration(

displayName = "#CTL_SomeAction"

)

@ActionReferences({

@ActionReference(path = "Menu/Navigate", position = )

,

@ActionReference(path = "Shortcuts", name = "M-P")

})

@Messages("CTL_SomeAction=MyMenu")

public final class SomeAction implements ActionListener {


@Override

public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent e) {

JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null, "hey");

}

}


Re: ActionReference has bug ?

2018-02-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Programmatic name is probably not Navigate. Maybe it is GoTo.

Gj

On Sunday, February 25, 2018, Peter Cheung  wrote:

> Hi All
>
>  Why "Menu/Navigate" will put my action into another Navigate menu
> rather than the existing one? Why i press the shortcut key, i only see the
> menu is blinking but the actionPerformed() hasn't run?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> package hk.quantr.netbeansquickoutline;
>
>
> import java.awt.event.ActionEvent;
>
> import java.awt.event.ActionListener;
>
> import javax.swing.JOptionPane;
>
> import org.openide.awt.ActionID;
>
> import org.openide.awt.ActionReference;
>
> import org.openide.awt.ActionReferences;
>
> import org.openide.awt.ActionRegistration;
>
> import org.openide.util.NbBundle.Messages;
>
>
> @ActionID(
>
> category = "Navigate",
>
> id = "hk.quantr.netbeansquickoutline.SomeAction"
>
> )
>
> @ActionRegistration(
>
> displayName = "#CTL_SomeAction"
>
> )
>
> @ActionReferences({
>
> @ActionReference(path = "Menu/Navigate", position = )
>
> ,
>
> @ActionReference(path = "Shortcuts", name = "M-P")
>
> })
>
> @Messages("CTL_SomeAction=MyMenu")
>
> public final class SomeAction implements ActionListener {
>
>
> @Override
>
> public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent e) {
>
> JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null, "hey");
>
> }
>
> }
>


Re: Which api can get the editor background color of current theme

2018-02-25 Thread Peter Cheung
thank you to all gentlemen

> On 25 Feb 2018, at 9:55 PM, Neil C Smith  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 at 13:41 Christian Lenz  wrote:
> 
>> I think you can use: UIManager.getColor(„TextField.background“) and you
>> have to find the right key for that.
>> 
>> Please if there is a better API, let me knows it.
>> 
>> 
> Editor settings and mime lookup would probably be the better way to get
> this info.
> 
> I use this in my save-flash plugin (one day I'll release that for the IDE!)
> - see particularly the code here -
> 
> https://github.com/praxis-live/praxis-live/blob/master/praxis.live.editor.saveflash/src/net/neilcsmith/praxis/live/editor/saveflash/FlashOnSaveHighlight.java#L124
> 
> I assume you'd want to use StyleConstants.Background as the key?  See the
> FontColorSettings code -
> 
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/editor.settings/src/org/netbeans/api/editor/settings/FontColorSettings.java
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> -- 
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
> 
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org


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ActionReference has bug ?

2018-02-25 Thread Peter Cheung
Hi All

 Why "Menu/Navigate" will put my action into another Navigate menu rather 
than the existing one? Why i press the shortcut key, i only see the menu is 
blinking but the actionPerformed() hasn't run?


Thanks



package hk.quantr.netbeansquickoutline;


import java.awt.event.ActionEvent;

import java.awt.event.ActionListener;

import javax.swing.JOptionPane;

import org.openide.awt.ActionID;

import org.openide.awt.ActionReference;

import org.openide.awt.ActionReferences;

import org.openide.awt.ActionRegistration;

import org.openide.util.NbBundle.Messages;


@ActionID(

category = "Navigate",

id = "hk.quantr.netbeansquickoutline.SomeAction"

)

@ActionRegistration(

displayName = "#CTL_SomeAction"

)

@ActionReferences({

@ActionReference(path = "Menu/Navigate", position = )

,

@ActionReference(path = "Shortcuts", name = "M-P")

})

@Messages("CTL_SomeAction=MyMenu")

public final class SomeAction implements ActionListener {


@Override

public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent e) {

JOptionPane.showMessageDialog(null, "hey");

}

}


Re: Future Idea - Apache NetBeans ML (Machine Learning) and Kubernetes Extensions

2018-02-25 Thread Oliver Rettig
Dear Wade,

that sound very interesting for me. Since last year I am working with 
Deep-learning-for-java 
and also Keras. I am working on some research projects in combinations with 
mobile robots, 
motion analysis and anomaly detection. Because most of my ui based tools are 
based on the 
Netbeans platform I am also thinking about integrating my machine learning 
codes into the 
Netbeans based applications. 
So I am very interested in discussion with other people of our Netbeans 
community working 
with machine learning stuff.

best regards
Oliver
> This week I took a trip to Atlanta to attend DevNexus. It was great. I got
> to see old friends, meet new ones, and attend some really great talks.
> 
> A couple of those talks were on Machine learning. Carol McDonald did one
> using Apache Spark, Hadoop HBase, and Zeppelin. It was great.
> 
> Another interesting talk was from Oleg Selajev on Graal VM. During the Q
> we discussed some great prospects of being able to run Java, and other JVM
> languages, along with Python and R plus LLVM C/C++ bindings in the same VM,
> and how that could have great implications for machine learning considering
> the ecosystems for those tools.
> 
> Pulling those ideas together I couldn’t help but think of how great it would
> be to be able to work with all these tools along with Apache NetBeans in
> some way once we get to a place to start making new things happen.
> 
> There were also some great talks on Kubernetes, and being able to run these
> things in clusters, locally or in cloud providers, or even on a single
> system. Merging together some concepts I have seen from Emilian on cloud
> computing plus NetBeans along with the vast Apache Ecosystem make for some
> interesting Kuberrnetes plus Containers and ML scenarios.
> 
> This is really just me sharing the concept at the moment to Spark some some
> interest (pun intended).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Wade
> 
> ===
> 
> Wade Chandler
> e: cons...@wadechandler.com
> t: @wadechandler
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/wade-chandler




Re: Which api can get the editor background color of current theme

2018-02-25 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 at 13:41 Christian Lenz  wrote:

> I think you can use: UIManager.getColor(„TextField.background“) and you
> have to find the right key for that.
>
> Please if there is a better API, let me knows it.
>
>
Editor settings and mime lookup would probably be the better way to get
this info.

I use this in my save-flash plugin (one day I'll release that for the IDE!)
- see particularly the code here -

https://github.com/praxis-live/praxis-live/blob/master/praxis.live.editor.saveflash/src/net/neilcsmith/praxis/live/editor/saveflash/FlashOnSaveHighlight.java#L124

I assume you'd want to use StyleConstants.Background as the key?  See the
FontColorSettings code -

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/editor.settings/src/org/netbeans/api/editor/settings/FontColorSettings.java

Hope that helps.

Best wishes,

Neil


-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org


AW: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-25 Thread Christian Lenz
Lightbox would be great and a must have, atm the images links Points to the 
Images as URLs, I tried ESC which is defacto normal to Close such Things, then 
I realized, I have to go back. Seems a broken UX.

So what is the current state of this? I want to contribute sooner or later too 
to the Project. I would like to Transfer stuff from the current page (My 
placeholder) to that page.

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 20:51
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: A NetBeans website proposal

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 at 17:54 cowwoc  wrote:

> I personally favor 1080p and letting the browser
> downscale as needed.
>

Well, probably, or maybe even responsive image sets, but all things in
time. ;-)  I assume we have bigger versions of these?  Mind you, I'm not
sure some of those dialogs are actually that big!

Personally I think we could go live with this, but not forget it.  I can
also look at integrating a lightbox or similar, unless there's already one
in Foundation?


On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 at 15:36 Antonio  wrote:

> On 24/02/18 15:04, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> >> https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/
> > I *love* the old-time NetBeans "swirl" in the header :)
>
> I love that too. :-) We should recover more of those backgrounds.
>

I love it too - and it should in no way be considered laziness that we used
something pre-existing! ;-)


>
> Neil did a great job cropping it to a exactly 16:9 ratio. These details
> come from professionals that know what they're doing. I love the work
> he's done with SCSS as well.


er, thanks ... you know I'm trying to get out of this professional web
lark, right?! :-)

Now, speaking of responsive images, a real professional would have created
more than one version of the hero image for different size screens!  I can
have a look at that next week too assuming we're definitely using this one
for now.

Best wishes,

Neil


-- 
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org



AW: Which api can get the editor background color of current theme

2018-02-25 Thread Christian Lenz
I think you can use: UIManager.getColor(„TextField.background“) and you have to 
find the right key for that.

Please if there is a better API, let me knows it.


Cheers

Chris

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Dear All
Which api can get the editor background color of current theme?
Thanks
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AW: Apache NetBeans logo

2018-02-25 Thread Christian Lenz
Great direction. Was a big wish of me, seen such a discussion about a new logo, 
sooner or later .


Cheers

Chris
Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Februar 2018 09:51
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Apache NetBeans logo

Yes, Chris Lenz produced the awesome logo that James Gosling tweaked and
sent in for consideration to the Apache NetBeans community.

Great job, Chris and James! :-)

Ideally, we'd go through a process of calling for people around the world
to design a new NetBeans logo, i.e., get maximum people involved, at
schools and universities, too, etc, and then go through a voting process on
the many candidate logos and so on -- but maybe we can do that with t-shirt
designs for example.

And so maybe, through a process of evolution across the months that we've
talked back and forth about this, we could adopt the logo that we now have
and, yes, as volunteered by Neil above, pass it through converters to get
all kinds of sizes and formats and so on.

So, in short, maybe this back and forth discussion encouraged by the Apache
process is sufficient for coming up with a logo too.

Gj



On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Wade Chandler 
wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2018 14:48, "Geertjan Wielenga"  com>
> wrote:
>
> Wow, you’ve not only worked on the logo but provided an awesome new slogan
> too? :-)
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2018, Norquay  wrote:
> > “Bringing NetBeans into a new dimension”.
>
>
> I agree this can be the start of a new slogan. Apache plus the new logo as
> a 4th dimension as you mentioned!
>
> Nice!
>
> Wade
>



AW: Fwd: Apache NetBeans logo

2018-02-25 Thread Christian Lenz
We do also have proposals for splash Screens.

So I think that the disucssion of the logo, goes in the right direction, we 
Need a real vote for it. We have a ticket for this: 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145

And https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-146 for a rebranding of 
whatever (Splashscreen etc.). I added the proposals for the splashscreen to 
#145. So either we want to have mor logos for the contest that we will create a 
contest or are the stuff, that we already have enough, to vote on it?


Cheers

Chris 


P.S. Thx for the flowers, but the proposals of the logos coming from a friended 
designer, as an assigment of me . Yes, the logos were a first draft and were 
not finished yet, so some glitches could be. He said, he wanted to make them 
finish, if we decide which one we would have. So only scribbling etc.


Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Februar 2018 12:00
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On 25/02/18 11:34, Neil C Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 at 10:07 Antonio  wrote:
> 
>> We could reuse the colors in the logo to colorize a little bit the
>> website. Links and headers are the same color, and that is confusing, I
>> think.
>>
> 
> Well, I'm a -1 to using that coloured logo right now, because the only
> measure we currently have of community input shows clear preference for the
> blue one.
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
> 
> Now, if that vote happens to change in the near future ... ;-)

Fully agree. I was meaning just the colors of the logo

> 
> On the links / header issue I agree though.  And we also have an issue with
> links in asciidoc TOCs - I had to fix a few in my PR because they resulted
> in broken output.  In fact, I noticed the broken output because the link
> and header colours seemed to be _slightly_ different?
> 
> I'd be tempted to remove links from headers in most places as well as
> looking at an alternative header colour.  If we end up sticking with the
> blue logo then an alternative source of secondary colour would be the hero
> image, or we just make headers match the standard text colour and look at
> an alternative way to make them stand out (eg. different header font).
> 

Great idea. I recall being confused about colors a while ago when 
visiting can't-remember-the-page: the headers were links, but they 
looked as plain headers, so I was completely confused.

> 
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENWHISK/Compliance+Checklist+for+OpenWhisk.org+website
>>
>> I think we comply with most of the points there, so we should be ready
>> to merge to master by monday.
>>
> 
> Really useful link, and yes agree with you on that assessment.  I notice no
> tick against roadmap on their list - that's something I'd like to see us
> work on sometime soon!

Fully agree. A roadmap/transition status/ongoing efforts page would be 
most useful. The material at Confluence

- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
and
- 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/New+NetBeans+Web+Site+Planning

could be good starting points.

In fact maybe we want to have some pages on the website and link to the 
Confluence pages for the latest news.

Updating Confluence pages is probably easier/faster for this "frequently 
updated" sort of content, right?

Kind regards,
Antonio

> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Neil
> 

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Re: Fwd: Apache NetBeans logo

2018-02-25 Thread Antonio



On 25/02/18 11:34, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 at 10:07 Antonio  wrote:


We could reuse the colors in the logo to colorize a little bit the
website. Links and headers are the same color, and that is confusing, I
think.



Well, I'm a -1 to using that coloured logo right now, because the only
measure we currently have of community input shows clear preference for the
blue one.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo

Now, if that vote happens to change in the near future ... ;-)


Fully agree. I was meaning just the colors of the logo



On the links / header issue I agree though.  And we also have an issue with
links in asciidoc TOCs - I had to fix a few in my PR because they resulted
in broken output.  In fact, I noticed the broken output because the link
and header colours seemed to be _slightly_ different?

I'd be tempted to remove links from headers in most places as well as
looking at an alternative header colour.  If we end up sticking with the
blue logo then an alternative source of secondary colour would be the hero
image, or we just make headers match the standard text colour and look at
an alternative way to make them stand out (eg. different header font).



Great idea. I recall being confused about colors a while ago when 
visiting can't-remember-the-page: the headers were links, but they 
looked as plain headers, so I was completely confused.






https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENWHISK/Compliance+Checklist+for+OpenWhisk.org+website

I think we comply with most of the points there, so we should be ready
to merge to master by monday.



Really useful link, and yes agree with you on that assessment.  I notice no
tick against roadmap on their list - that's something I'd like to see us
work on sometime soon!


Fully agree. A roadmap/transition status/ongoing efforts page would be 
most useful. The material at Confluence


- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
and
- 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/New+NetBeans+Web+Site+Planning


could be good starting points.

In fact maybe we want to have some pages on the website and link to the 
Confluence pages for the latest news.


Updating Confluence pages is probably easier/faster for this "frequently 
updated" sort of content, right?


Kind regards,
Antonio



Best wishes,

Neil



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Re: Fwd: Apache NetBeans logo

2018-02-25 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 at 10:07 Antonio  wrote:

> We could reuse the colors in the logo to colorize a little bit the
> website. Links and headers are the same color, and that is confusing, I
> think.
>

Well, I'm a -1 to using that coloured logo right now, because the only
measure we currently have of community input shows clear preference for the
blue one.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo

Now, if that vote happens to change in the near future ... ;-)

On the links / header issue I agree though.  And we also have an issue with
links in asciidoc TOCs - I had to fix a few in my PR because they resulted
in broken output.  In fact, I noticed the broken output because the link
and header colours seemed to be _slightly_ different?

I'd be tempted to remove links from headers in most places as well as
looking at an alternative header colour.  If we end up sticking with the
blue logo then an alternative source of secondary colour would be the hero
image, or we just make headers match the standard text colour and look at
an alternative way to make them stand out (eg. different header font).


>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENWHISK/Compliance+Checklist+for+OpenWhisk.org+website
>
> I think we comply with most of the points there, so we should be ready
> to merge to master by monday.
>

Really useful link, and yes agree with you on that assessment.  I notice no
tick against roadmap on their list - that's something I'd like to see us
work on sometime soon!

Best wishes,

Neil
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Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net

Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org


Re: Fwd: Apache NetBeans logo

2018-02-25 Thread Antonio

I love that logo :-)

He should do more of those meetings. Maybe on the next one he does some 
nice splash screens!? X^D


We could reuse the colors in the logo to colorize a little bit the 
website. Links and headers are the same color, and that is confusing, I 
think.


On other news I've added some minor enhancements (trademarks, incubation 
status links, ASF event resources, broken links to netcat in footer, etc.).


The openwhisk project as a "web compliance checklist" at

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENWHISK/Compliance+Checklist+for+OpenWhisk.org+website

I think we comply with most of the points there, so we should be ready 
to merge to master by monday.


Kind regards,
Antonio

P.S.: We already have a SVG version of the logo at 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo?preview=/67635710/74687311/apache-netbeans.svg 
with no decimal numbers! How's that? ;-)



On 24/02/18 17:22, geertjan.wiele...@oracle.com wrote:

Hi all,

I know we haven’t picked a logo yet, but here’s a mail from James 
Gosling with his input in this discussion. :-)


Thanks,

Gj




Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Norquay >
*Subject: **Apache NetBeans logo*
*Date: *7 February 2018 at 21:03:56 GMT+1
*To: *geertjan wielenga >


I had been wandering the netbeans.apache website and noticed (and 
liked) the new logo.  When I looked at it ( 
https://netbeans.apache.org/bilder/logo-2.svg ) 
 I 
noticed that the vectors were really broken.  Since I was sitting in a 
boring meeting, I amused myself by cleaning it up.






















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Re: Apache NetBeans logo

2018-02-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, Chris Lenz produced the awesome logo that James Gosling tweaked and
sent in for consideration to the Apache NetBeans community.

Great job, Chris and James! :-)

Ideally, we'd go through a process of calling for people around the world
to design a new NetBeans logo, i.e., get maximum people involved, at
schools and universities, too, etc, and then go through a voting process on
the many candidate logos and so on -- but maybe we can do that with t-shirt
designs for example.

And so maybe, through a process of evolution across the months that we've
talked back and forth about this, we could adopt the logo that we now have
and, yes, as volunteered by Neil above, pass it through converters to get
all kinds of sizes and formats and so on.

So, in short, maybe this back and forth discussion encouraged by the Apache
process is sufficient for coming up with a logo too.

Gj



On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Wade Chandler 
wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2018 14:48, "Geertjan Wielenga"  com>
> wrote:
>
> Wow, you’ve not only worked on the logo but provided an awesome new slogan
> too? :-)
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2018, Norquay  wrote:
> > “Bringing NetBeans into a new dimension”.
>
>
> I agree this can be the start of a new slogan. Apache plus the new logo as
> a 4th dimension as you mentioned!
>
> Nice!
>
> Wade
>