Re: NetBeans translation to other languages

[Milan Keršláger]

There is no such project netbeans or so at https://translate.apache.org
I don't know how translation in Netbeans project works now.
But there is some translations already at
http://bits.netbeans.org/download/trunk/nightly/latest/ (Russian, Portugal
/Brazilian/ and some Asia languages).

This could be better if somebody knows how those languages were
created/submited.

Milan

2018-02-24 22:59 GMT+01:00 Emilian Bold :

> It's very good you brought this up! I also was involved in translations
> long ago.
>
> Apache uses https://translate.apache.org which runs Pootle.
>
> We have to learn how to import our data and start using it! Want to help?
>
> --emi
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On 22 February 2018 10:06 PM, Milan Keršláger 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I made some translation work in the past to the Czech language and I
> tried
> >
> > to translate NetBeans few years ago too. Now I'm unable to find how to
> >
> > start. There is a lot of obsolete information around... Is it possible
> now
> >
> > after the transition NB under the Apache umbrella?
> >
> > Milan
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> >
> > Milan Kerslager
> > http://www.pslib.cz/ke/
> >
>
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Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators

[cowwoc]

Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with the internals. I filed 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-432 with a high-level 
overview of what a user expects. Hopefully someone who is familiar with 
this codebase can flesh out what this entails.


Thank you,
Gili

On 2018-02-27 12:49 PM, Tim Boudreau wrote:

I'd say file an RFE, but best to get as specific as possible about what
mechanism needs to be changed and how.  I.e. Exactly the desired behavior,
what blocks it, and where the change would need to be.

-Tim

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:00 AM cowwoc  wrote:


Is it okay if I file a RFE for this, or do you feel it should stew a bit
longer in the mailing list?

Gili

On 2018-02-26 3:47 PM, Christian Lenz wrote:

I figured out that problem too, but I don’t know whether this is window

specific or not.

Sure I think you can add a shortcut to your Code, which is already

taken. You got a warning after NetBeans started that says: „there is a
duplicate“.

Maybe it overrides it or not, I don’t know atm. But if not and you

created an Action, where you can Change the shortcut via KeyMap Options,
you sometimes overrides existing ones (Which Shows you a warning or error
that another one has the same etc.), but yes they should work context
sensitve, and some are still working context sensitive, afaik.

I set ctrl + b to Show the git browser for branches etc. This shortcut

only Woks, when I select a Project. If I’m in the Editor, it will set a
bookmark or open the bookmark window. So there is smth like a context
sensitive way to implement shortcuts but I don’t know the logic at all.

My 2 cents


Cheers

Chris

Von: Tim Boudreau
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 19:59
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators

It's been a long time since I worked on the code involved, so my
recollection may be a little fuzzy, but this may help point you in a
direction or two:

There is a general problem that NetBeans supports, or at least used to
support, both single window pseudo-SDI mode and a multiple windows mode.
And keyboard shortcuts propagate down to the InputMap/KeyMap of the

window

in question.  My recollection is that this was originally handled with an
AWTEventListener, because that was the one way to guarantee shortcuts
worked globally, no matter the windowing layout.  I *think* we migrated
that to something using InputMap/KeyMap around 2003 or so, but there may
still be workarounds to ensure things work globally.

What I'd suggest to try is an experiment - create a dialog with the

dialogs

API and try binding a key you know is bound as a global shortcut.  Use
InputMap/KeyMap and attach it to, most likely, the root pane of the

dialog.

If it works, then it's just a matter of implementing shortcuts in the

right

places (make sure to call consume() on the event to stop it propagating
further).  If it doesn't, then some more fundamental work that's likely

to

touch how key bindings work globally may be needed.

Also bear in mind that key bindings are different for different

platforms -

on Mac OS, the alt key is a compose key for international characters and
cannot have shortcuts bound to it (ctrl is used instead), and some
keybindings are mapped to different keys for consistency with other Mac

OS

apps (there's a syntax for defining keybindings in OS-neutral ways, for
declarative bindings).

HTH,

Tim


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:11 AM, cowwoc  wrote:


Hi,

Netbeans has an extremely long (and getting longer) list of keyboard
shortcuts. Part of the problem is that (for the most part) keyboard
shortcuts are not context-sensitive nor are they able to be
context-sensitive. I'll give you a simple example I raised a few years

back:

When the editor Find & Replace dialog is focused, we have "Replace" and
"Replace All" buttons. It would be nice if we could map ALT+A to

"Replace

All" as many other applications do. Unfortunately, ALT+A is already

mapped

to the Refactor pulldown menu. The platform API does not allow mapping

the

same keyboard accelerator to different UI actions depending on the

context.

As a result, we end up with akward combinations like ALT+P for Replace

All.

Please see https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222843 for
additional context.

Is anyone else interested in this issue? Is anyone interested in working
on it?

Thank you,
Gili


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Re: incubator-netbeans-website, lightbox and issues

[Antonio]

Hi,

Thanks again, Neil, these do make a great difference.

https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90/

Kind regards,
Antonio

On 27/02/18 11:14, Antonio wrote:

Thanks, Neil.

I'll add these changes. You're my hero.

Kind regards,
Antonio

On 27/02/18 10:58, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 07:24 Antonio  wrote:


Ahh, that's the piece I was missing!



But, unfortunately possibly not all of it ...



Maybe that path is worth exploring, Neil, instead of using this ColorBox
plugin.



I think Colorbox would be a good stand in at least for now.  There are 
some

examples of Reveal Lightbox galleries, but I think we'd need to customize
some code, so something to look at later IMO.

The PR is good, but noticed two issues -

* It's not responsive so breaks out of the viewport - IIRC need to 
pass in

maxWidth and maxHeight in the colorbox netbeans.js code - I seem to have
set them both to 98% on old sites I have it on - think 100% caused 
issues.


* There doesn't seem to be a close button?  Maybe need to integrate 
one of

the (other) Colorbox themes?

An old personal site with Colorbox on (with some pictures of a 
NetBeans RCP

app ... really!) -
https://www.digitalprisoners.co.uk/projects/meeting-point/  It's pretty
much using stock theme 3 I think, which is the one that worked best with
mobiles and desktop.  This is an archived Drupal site that's now 
static, so

making sense of the setup is a little awkward!

Best wishes,

Neil




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Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators

[Tim Boudreau]

I'd say file an RFE, but best to get as specific as possible about what
mechanism needs to be changed and how.  I.e. Exactly the desired behavior,
what blocks it, and where the change would need to be.

-Tim

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:00 AM cowwoc  wrote:

> Is it okay if I file a RFE for this, or do you feel it should stew a bit
> longer in the mailing list?
>
> Gili
>
> On 2018-02-26 3:47 PM, Christian Lenz wrote:
> > I figured out that problem too, but I don’t know whether this is window
> specific or not.
> > Sure I think you can add a shortcut to your Code, which is already
> taken. You got a warning after NetBeans started that says: „there is a
> duplicate“.
> > Maybe it overrides it or not, I don’t know atm. But if not and you
> created an Action, where you can Change the shortcut via KeyMap Options,
> you sometimes overrides existing ones (Which Shows you a warning or error
> that another one has the same etc.), but yes they should work context
> sensitve, and some are still working context sensitive, afaik.
> >
> > I set ctrl + b to Show the git browser for branches etc. This shortcut
> only Woks, when I select a Project. If I’m in the Editor, it will set a
> bookmark or open the bookmark window. So there is smth like a context
> sensitive way to implement shortcuts but I don’t know the logic at all.
> >
> > My 2 cents
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Tim Boudreau
> > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 19:59
> > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators
> >
> > It's been a long time since I worked on the code involved, so my
> > recollection may be a little fuzzy, but this may help point you in a
> > direction or two:
> >
> > There is a general problem that NetBeans supports, or at least used to
> > support, both single window pseudo-SDI mode and a multiple windows mode.
> > And keyboard shortcuts propagate down to the InputMap/KeyMap of the
> window
> > in question.  My recollection is that this was originally handled with an
> > AWTEventListener, because that was the one way to guarantee shortcuts
> > worked globally, no matter the windowing layout.  I *think* we migrated
> > that to something using InputMap/KeyMap around 2003 or so, but there may
> > still be workarounds to ensure things work globally.
> >
> > What I'd suggest to try is an experiment - create a dialog with the
> dialogs
> > API and try binding a key you know is bound as a global shortcut.  Use
> > InputMap/KeyMap and attach it to, most likely, the root pane of the
> dialog.
> >
> > If it works, then it's just a matter of implementing shortcuts in the
> right
> > places (make sure to call consume() on the event to stop it propagating
> > further).  If it doesn't, then some more fundamental work that's likely
> to
> > touch how key bindings work globally may be needed.
> >
> > Also bear in mind that key bindings are different for different
> platforms -
> > on Mac OS, the alt key is a compose key for international characters and
> > cannot have shortcuts bound to it (ctrl is used instead), and some
> > keybindings are mapped to different keys for consistency with other Mac
> OS
> > apps (there's a syntax for defining keybindings in OS-neutral ways, for
> > declarative bindings).
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:11 AM, cowwoc  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Netbeans has an extremely long (and getting longer) list of keyboard
> >> shortcuts. Part of the problem is that (for the most part) keyboard
> >> shortcuts are not context-sensitive nor are they able to be
> >> context-sensitive. I'll give you a simple example I raised a few years
> back:
> >>
> >> When the editor Find & Replace dialog is focused, we have "Replace" and
> >> "Replace All" buttons. It would be nice if we could map ALT+A to
> "Replace
> >> All" as many other applications do. Unfortunately, ALT+A is already
> mapped
> >> to the Refactor pulldown menu. The platform API does not allow mapping
> the
> >> same keyboard accelerator to different UI actions depending on the
> context.
> >> As a result, we end up with akward combinations like ALT+P for Replace
> All.
> >>
> >> Please see https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222843 for
> >> additional context.
> >>
> >> Is anyone else interested in this issue? Is anyone interested in working
> >> on it?
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Gili
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
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Re: First draft of netbeans quick outline plugin

[Jiří Kovalský]

Very nice plugin Peter! Do you plan to publish it on 
http://plugins.netbeans.org ? This way it will be easily available to 
~1.6 M active NetBeans users per month. ;)


-Jirka

Dne 26.2.2018 v 10:06 Peter Cheung napsal(a):




First draft of netbeans quick outline plugin

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__peter.quantr.hk_2018_02_first-2Ddraft-2Dof-2Dnetbeans-2Dquick-2Doutline-2Dplugin_&d=DwIFAw&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=IZkZ7u1nHvvZWhH4NTSD-MMo6S9yUh9UsB3rpUMtoDo&s=j85Rd1CgwH2DoW5gL6yydtGpUeATEMMe-UtjUDOe-4Y&e=



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Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators

[cowwoc]

Is it okay if I file a RFE for this, or do you feel it should stew a bit 
longer in the mailing list?


Gili

On 2018-02-26 3:47 PM, Christian Lenz wrote:

I figured out that problem too, but I don’t know whether this is window 
specific or not.
Sure I think you can add a shortcut to your Code, which is already taken. You 
got a warning after NetBeans started that says: „there is a duplicate“.
Maybe it overrides it or not, I don’t know atm. But if not and you created an 
Action, where you can Change the shortcut via KeyMap Options, you sometimes 
overrides existing ones (Which Shows you a warning or error that another one 
has the same etc.), but yes they should work context sensitve, and some are 
still working context sensitive, afaik.

I set ctrl + b to Show the git browser for branches etc. This shortcut only 
Woks, when I select a Project. If I’m in the Editor, it will set a bookmark or 
open the bookmark window. So there is smth like a context sensitive way to 
implement shortcuts but I don’t know the logic at all.

My 2 cents


Cheers

Chris

Von: Tim Boudreau
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 19:59
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators

It's been a long time since I worked on the code involved, so my
recollection may be a little fuzzy, but this may help point you in a
direction or two:

There is a general problem that NetBeans supports, or at least used to
support, both single window pseudo-SDI mode and a multiple windows mode.
And keyboard shortcuts propagate down to the InputMap/KeyMap of the window
in question.  My recollection is that this was originally handled with an
AWTEventListener, because that was the one way to guarantee shortcuts
worked globally, no matter the windowing layout.  I *think* we migrated
that to something using InputMap/KeyMap around 2003 or so, but there may
still be workarounds to ensure things work globally.

What I'd suggest to try is an experiment - create a dialog with the dialogs
API and try binding a key you know is bound as a global shortcut.  Use
InputMap/KeyMap and attach it to, most likely, the root pane of the dialog.

If it works, then it's just a matter of implementing shortcuts in the right
places (make sure to call consume() on the event to stop it propagating
further).  If it doesn't, then some more fundamental work that's likely to
touch how key bindings work globally may be needed.

Also bear in mind that key bindings are different for different platforms -
on Mac OS, the alt key is a compose key for international characters and
cannot have shortcuts bound to it (ctrl is used instead), and some
keybindings are mapped to different keys for consistency with other Mac OS
apps (there's a syntax for defining keybindings in OS-neutral ways, for
declarative bindings).

HTH,

Tim


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:11 AM, cowwoc  wrote:


Hi,

Netbeans has an extremely long (and getting longer) list of keyboard
shortcuts. Part of the problem is that (for the most part) keyboard
shortcuts are not context-sensitive nor are they able to be
context-sensitive. I'll give you a simple example I raised a few years back:

When the editor Find & Replace dialog is focused, we have "Replace" and
"Replace All" buttons. It would be nice if we could map ALT+A to "Replace
All" as many other applications do. Unfortunately, ALT+A is already mapped
to the Refactor pulldown menu. The platform API does not allow mapping the
same keyboard accelerator to different UI actions depending on the context.
As a result, we end up with akward combinations like ALT+P for Replace All.

Please see https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222843 for
additional context.

Is anyone else interested in this issue? Is anyone interested in working
on it?

Thank you,
Gili


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Re: AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: ANetBeans website proposal))

[John Muczynski]

I realize a monochrome icon might win a popularity vote, but I'll take a
colorful icon every day. Call me vain.


On Feb 27, 2018 7:35 AM, "Christian Lenz"  wrote:

> Therefor it could be good to have the colored one. One Color for each
> Piece for example. Only an idea.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> Von: Wade Chandler
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:25
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
> Re: ANetBeans website proposal))
>
> When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
> both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
> icons for decades at this point.
>
> Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
> did have the hexgon outline.
>
> Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
> as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.
>
> I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
> of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
> could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
> a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
> distinct shadow.
>
> Wade
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio"  wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris, all,
> >
> > The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere
> in
> > 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one
> you
> > suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> > very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
> >
> > Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> > has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february
> 2018
> > (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> > IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
> >
> > To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
> >
> > - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> > - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
> >
> > I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> > expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if
> I'm
> > wrong).
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Antonio
> >
> > [1]
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
> >
> > [2]
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
> >
> > [3]
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> > ache-netbeans-logo.png
> >
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> > From: Christian Lenz 
> > Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org  >
> >
> > I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> > and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see
> it
> > here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
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> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Invitation to Apache NetBeans 9.0 Community Acceptance Testing program

[Jiří Kovalský]

Hello NetBeans fans,

   you are neither experiencing a glitch in the Matrix nor a Déjà vu. 
This is reality. We would like to invite you to the NetBeans Community 
Acceptance Testing program for NetBeans 9.0, again. :)


   The first time we were optimistic novices in the Apache waters which 
resulted in great underestimation of what was still ahead of us. We 
learned our swimming lessons though and believe this time NetCAT can 
really sail.


   We are looking for enthusiastic NetBeans community members to test 
the NetBeans IDE version 9.0 before its GA release. This is the first 
NetCAT program under the Apache Incubator, and it marks a historic 
milestone in the life of NetBeans. Don't miss the opportunity to be a 
part of this initiative!


   For information about how to join, and more about NetCAT in general, 
read the registration page at 
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AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: ANetBeans website proposal))

[Christian Lenz]

Therefor it could be good to have the colored one. One Color for each Piece for 
example. Only an idea.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Wade Chandler
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:25
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: 
ANetBeans website proposal))

When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
icons for decades at this point.

Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
did have the hexgon outline.

Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.

I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
distinct shadow.

Wade


On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio"  wrote:

> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz 
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
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AW: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: ANetBeans website proposal))

[Christian Lenz]

NB Inside the cube could also be an Option. Yes I know that Webpack logo, if 
you mean this: https://worldvectorlogo.com/logo/webpack-icon


Cheers

Chris

Von: Wade Chandler
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 13:25
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: 
ANetBeans website proposal))

When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
icons for decades at this point.

Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
did have the hexgon outline.

Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.

I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
distinct shadow.

Wade


On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio"  wrote:

> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz 
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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>
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>

Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Wade Chandler]

When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube;
both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube
icons for decades at this point.

Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But,
did have the hexgon outline.

Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color,
as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines.

I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because
of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube
could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into
a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a
distinct shadow.

Wade


On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio"  wrote:

> Hi Chris, all,
>
> The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in
> 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you
> suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be
> very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result.
>
> Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which
> has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018
> (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool,
> IMHO, and also deserves our consideration.
>
> To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose:
>
> - Announcing closing the contest within a few days.
> - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way.
>
> I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are
> expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm
> wrong).
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo
>
> [2]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145
>
> [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap
> ache-netbeans-logo.png
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100
> From: Christian Lenz 
> Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org 
>
> I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better
> and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it
> here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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>

Re: AW: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

[Antonio]

Me wanna netbeans t-shirt now! :-)

On 27/02/18 12:54, Christian Lenz wrote:

This is another Topic, but Geertjan and me created a SpreadShop at SpreadShirt, 
where I work for: https://shop.spreadshirt.com/netbeans/ So we have to discuss 
what we want to do with this shop.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 12:36
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged 
tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

Talking of which, the ASF Swag site

http://apacheswag.com/

Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(


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Subject: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was
Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +
From: Neil C Smith 
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio  wrote:


I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!



Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

Best wishes,

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AW: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

[Christian Lenz]

This is another Topic, but Geertjan and me created a SpreadShop at SpreadShirt, 
where I work for: https://shop.spreadshirt.com/netbeans/ So we have to discuss 
what we want to do with this shop.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Antonio
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 12:36
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged 
tomaster (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

Talking of which, the ASF Swag site

http://apacheswag.com/

Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(


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Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +
From: Neil C Smith 
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio  wrote:

> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>

Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
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T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))

[Antonio]

Talking of which, the ASF Swag site

http://apacheswag.com/

Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-(


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Subject: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was 
Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 +
From: Neil C Smith 
Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio  wrote:


I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!



Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Neil C Smith]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio  wrote:

> I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!
>

Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-)

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Antonio]

I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea!

Thanks, Bertrand,
Antonio

On 27/02/18 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong
 wrote:

...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we
want to present in the typography...


Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a
(small) section on logos and graphics policy.

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Re: incubator-netbeans-website, lightbox and issues

[Antonio]

Thanks, Neil.

I'll add these changes. You're my hero.

Kind regards,
Antonio

On 27/02/18 10:58, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 07:24 Antonio  wrote:


Ahh, that's the piece I was missing!



But, unfortunately possibly not all of it ...



Maybe that path is worth exploring, Neil, instead of using this ColorBox
plugin.



I think Colorbox would be a good stand in at least for now.  There are some
examples of Reveal Lightbox galleries, but I think we'd need to customize
some code, so something to look at later IMO.

The PR is good, but noticed two issues -

* It's not responsive so breaks out of the viewport - IIRC need to pass in
maxWidth and maxHeight in the colorbox netbeans.js code - I seem to have
set them both to 98% on old sites I have it on - think 100% caused issues.

* There doesn't seem to be a close button?  Maybe need to integrate one of
the (other) Colorbox themes?

An old personal site with Colorbox on (with some pictures of a NetBeans RCP
app ... really!) -
https://www.digitalprisoners.co.uk/projects/meeting-point/  It's pretty
much using stock theme 3 I think, which is the one that worked best with
mobiles and desktop.  This is an archived Drupal site that's now static, so
making sense of the setup is a little awkward!

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Neil




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Re: incubator-netbeans-website, lightbox and issues

[Neil C Smith]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 07:24 Antonio  wrote:

> Ahh, that's the piece I was missing!
>

But, unfortunately possibly not all of it ...


> Maybe that path is worth exploring, Neil, instead of using this ColorBox
> plugin.
>

I think Colorbox would be a good stand in at least for now.  There are some
examples of Reveal Lightbox galleries, but I think we'd need to customize
some code, so something to look at later IMO.

The PR is good, but noticed two issues -

* It's not responsive so breaks out of the viewport - IIRC need to pass in
maxWidth and maxHeight in the colorbox netbeans.js code - I seem to have
set them both to 98% on old sites I have it on - think 100% caused issues.

* There doesn't seem to be a close button?  Maybe need to integrate one of
the (other) Colorbox themes?

An old personal site with Colorbox on (with some pictures of a NetBeans RCP
app ... really!) -
https://www.digitalprisoners.co.uk/projects/meeting-point/  It's pretty
much using stock theme 3 I think, which is the one that worked best with
mobiles and desktop.  This is an archived Drupal site that's now static, so
making sense of the setup is a little awkward!

Best wishes,

Neil


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Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong
 wrote:
> ...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we
> want to present in the typography...

Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a
(small) section on logos and graphics policy.

-Bertrand

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Re: Netbeans quick outline plugin

[Peter Cheung]

Does it looks better than eclipse now?


http://peter.quantr.hk/2018/02/netbeans-qucik-outline-design-ii/


Thanks
>From Peter



From: Neil C Smith 
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 6:30 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Netbeans quick outline plugin

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 09:50 Christian Lenz  wrote:

> ... this was only possible to add the plugin as a friend which is only a
> Workaround.
>

There was a discussion on a PR recently about stopping using friend
relationships for "unstable" API's in favour of another approach -
something that would be good not to let slide IMO.

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