Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
When we started this, and Chris did his icon, we had the NetBeans cube; both the blue solid and the red empty sides versions. NB has had those cube icons for decades at this point. Webpack, at the time of his drawing, had a cube in a translucent cube. But, did have the hexgon outline. Has anyone see the latest Webpack logo? It seems to differ only in color, as they have added boldness and contrast to the internal cube lines. I think it would be fair to afford some time for some modification because of this. Just some ideas: Some extra depth to the layer around the cube could relate to the pieces from "Fits the pieces together" as well as "into a new dimension". Maybe even adding some tilt to the hexagon to give it a distinct shadow. Wade On Feb 26, 2018 06:06, "Antonio" wrote: > Hi Chris, all, > > The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in > 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you > suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be > very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result. > > Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which > has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018 > (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool, > IMHO, and also deserves our consideration. > > To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose: > > - Announcing closing the contest within a few days. > - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way. > > I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are > expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm > wrong). > > Kind regards, > Antonio > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo > > [2] > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145 > > [3] > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ap > ache-netbeans-logo.png > > Forwarded Message > Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal) > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100 > From: Christian Lenz > Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better > and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it > here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
T-Shirts (was Fwd: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)))
Talking of which, the ASF Swag site http://apacheswag.com/ Has no Apache NetBeans T-Shirts yet!! :-( Forwarded Message Subject: Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:58:11 + From: Neil C Smith Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio wrote: I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea! Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-) Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 10:40 Antonio wrote: > I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea! > Yes, particularly on a T-shirt! ;-) Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
I like that "Powered by NetBeans..." logo idea! Thanks, Bertrand, Antonio On 27/02/18 10:31, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong wrote: ...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we want to present in the typography... Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a (small) section on logos and graphics policy. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Eduard Karel de Jong wrote: > ...The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we > want to present in the typography... Note also https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs which has a (small) section on logos and graphics policy. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Indeed, the icon without typgraphy should be the item to vote upon this time. The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we want to present in the typography, for instance: -the word "apache" -the feather -a 'badge' with "IDE" (with a possible alternate badge for the framework, like "AFW". An other question is if the words "Net" and "Beans" should be with distinct typography. Cheers Eduard Antonio wrote: I'd say the icon without the typography. Cheers, Antonio On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio wrote: To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose: - Announcing closing the contest within a few days. - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way. Sounds good! Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though? Are we at this stage literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text / typography? Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Indeed, the icon without typgraphy should be the item to vote upon this time. The next discussion and a subsequent vote should be on the elements that we want to present in the typography, for instance: -the word "apache" -the feather -a 'badge' with "IDE" (with a possible alternate badge for the framework, like "AFW". An other question is if the words "Net" and "Beans" should be with distinct typography. Cheers Eduard Antonio wrote: I'd say the icon without the typography. Cheers, Antonio On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio wrote: To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose: - Announcing closing the contest within a few days. - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way. Sounds good! Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though? Are we at this stage literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text / typography? Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:24 Antonio wrote: > I'd say the icon without the typography. > Agreed, so +1 from me to that and your schedule. Given the necessarily short schedule, etc., and as we find our feet at Apache, it might be good to keep in mind that any decision could get reviewed around either next major release or when we become a top-level project - ie. it's not a vote on something that will be fixed for all eternity! ;-) Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
I'd say the icon without the typography. Cheers, Antonio On 26/02/18 12:16, Neil C Smith wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio wrote: To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose: - Announcing closing the contest within a few days. - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way. Sounds good! Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though? Are we at this stage literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text / typography? Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean. Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Hi again, So, to keep things moving, shall we announce closing the contest by, say, until March the 1st? And start the voting during March 2nd, 3rd and 4th? Or is that too fast? ;-) Cheers, Antonio On 26/02/18 12:09, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: That sounds good. Thanks for persevering with this, Antonio. Gj On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Antonio wrote: Hi Chris, all, The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result. Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018 (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool, IMHO, and also deserves our consideration. To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose: - Announcing closing the contest within a few days. - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way. I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm wrong). Kind regards, Antonio [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145 [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ apache-netbeans-logo.png Forwarded Message Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100 From: Christian Lenz Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too. Cheers Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 11:06 Antonio wrote: > To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose: > > - Announcing closing the contest within a few days. > - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way. > Sounds good! Can we also clarify what we mean by logo though? Are we at this stage literally looking for the replacement for the cube icon, without any text / typography? Because currently the blue logo has 6 or 8 votes depending on what we mean. Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
That sounds good. Thanks for persevering with this, Antonio. Gj On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Antonio wrote: > Hi Chris, all, > > The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in > 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you > suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be > very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result. > > Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which > has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018 > (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool, > IMHO, and also deserves our consideration. > > To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose: > > - Announcing closing the contest within a few days. > - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way. > > I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are > expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm > wrong). > > Kind regards, > Antonio > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo > > [2] > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145 > > [3] > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/ > apache-netbeans-logo.png > > Forwarded Message > Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal) > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100 > From: Christian Lenz > Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better > and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it > here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too. > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
The logo, once and for all? (was AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal))
Hi Chris, all, The situation with the logo is that there was a voting at [1] somewhere in 2016, the most voted logo is not the one with colors, so using the one you suggest (with colors) instead of the most voted one does not seem to be very Apache compliant, as it would be against a voting result. Also in late 2017 we opened an Apache NetBeans logo contest at [2], which has not been closed yet. There has been a submission in early february 2018 (i.e., a few days ago) from Junichi (see [3]), which is also pretty cool, IMHO, and also deserves our consideration. To end up the logo discussion once and for all I propose: - Announcing closing the contest within a few days. - Announce a voting in the mailing list, as per the Apache way. I know this is probably lots of bureaucracy, but that's how things are expected to work in this Apache world, AFAIK (and please correct me if I'm wrong). Kind regards, Antonio [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Logo [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-145 [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12909573/apache-netbeans-logo.png Forwarded Message Subject: AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:58:53 +0100 From: Christian Lenz Reply-To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too. Cheers Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
AW: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal)
I would like to Change the logo to the SVG file, because it scales better and we don’t have any Problems with Retina and whatever, as you can see it here: http://netbeans.apache.org/. I added the SVG too. Cheers Chris Von: Antonio Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 08:54 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Merged to master (was Re: A NetBeans website proposal) Hi all, This has now been merged to master, we think we comply with ASF's podling website requirements. Feel free to submit PRs as you see fit. I've uploaded the bits at https://netbeans.vieiro.net temporarily, to verify that the "see this page in github" links work properly. This won't track master, and may dissappear within a few days. Thanks all involved and those giving comments and ideas. Have fun, Antonio == Main goals As Geertjan outlined in the mailing list thread the main goals for the netbeans.apache.org website are, in order of importance: 1- Have a proper IDE features page. 2- Port the IDE tutorials. 3- Have a platform specific page. Some other enhancements & to-dos as seen in the thread & elsewhere: - Improve image visualization (lightbox, for instance). - Add proper retina images (including the NetBeans logo). - The wiki pages should be reviewed, after review the bottom of the page should contain the review date. == Going live AFAIK the website won't go live until we update the content to the "asf-site" branch (i.e., until we copy the generated HTML into that branch), as I think this branch is currently connected with the web server through Apache's gitpubsub. I'll try to find out the details. == netbeans.apache.org help materials - The README at https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org explains how Wade's script work, how to run a preview site yourself, etc. - The templates directory README https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/templates has information about building templates as "Groovy Server Pages" files, as well as the initial templates we're using. - The scss directory at https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/scss Contains the initial SCSS files from Foundation adapted to netbeans. Other useful links: - jbake http://jbake.org/docs/2.5.1/ - foundation 6 for sites https://foundation.zurb.com/sites/docs/ - for those using asciidoc the AsciiDoc Writer's Guide at https://asciidoctor.org/docs/asciidoc-writers-guide/ == bits.netbeans.org The ant script at bits.netbeans.org needs some love to properly generate NetBeans javadoc files + arch stuff (properly tagged with release information, etc.). The directory structure from current "bits.netbeans.org" does not match the existing one. AFAIK we haven't set up a webserver for this domain, I imagine we can do this later on (probably using gitpubsub too in another "api" branch). On 23/02/18 08:19, Antonio wrote: > Hi all, > > Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments > regarding the NetBeans website. > > As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many > different webs: we have "bits.netbeans.org" for APIs, "netbeans.org" for > main content, "plugins.netbeans.org" for the Plugin Portal, > "wiki.netbeans.org" for the wiki, and there're a few more subdomains. > > The current "netbeans.org" website is quite big. As you already know, > Wade consolidated it in github's > "apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup" [1] repo, and added a Gradle > build system that uses JBake to generate static content, where content > is markdown/asciidoc/html with some additional files. > > As the migration is going to take time, and will require Oracle > reviewing IP clearance for the content, we thought we could start a > simpler "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. > We then could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance > procedures. > > So we came out with a basic "multisite-test" _branch_ at Github's > "incubator-netbeans-website" [2]. > > The idea of this branch is to be able to consolidate different NetBeans > subdomains as different directories (currently "bits.netbeans.org" and > "netbeans.apache.org"), and create scripts for generating _static_ > content for those different websites. Currently we have: > > - bits.netbeans.org > Currently builds the javadoc from sources. > > - netbeans.apache.org > - Has some basic content from current Confluence pages. > - As posted to the list in december we chose the Foundation 6 > framework as a, well, foundation, and Neil modified it with some proper > SCSS structure [3] to fit our needs. > - We've also added the wiki pages. We may set up a different repo > for these in the future, though. > - We've uploaded the result of this static site to > https://netbeans.vieiro.net for you to see live (note: the "see this
