Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Here's my proposal for two of them:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-308
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/475

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-410
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/476

Gj

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 7:23 AM, Jan Lahoda  wrote:

> FWIW, I think we should also try to make sure the requested changes from
> 9.0 beta rc2/3 are resolved as well:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta+rc3
>
> Many of them are, some are not yet.
>
> Jan
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Emilian Bold 
> wrote:
>
> > It would be nice if dev@ would get emails about these blockers. I really
> > live in the mailing list, terminal and GitHub.
> >
> > In what way is https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-467?
> > filter=12343308 a blocker? I guess we need to change our Apache build to
> > also generate the Maven binaries (which are then hosted on the build
> > server?) but I don't see who's being blocked -- NetCAT participants?
> >
> > Tim Boudreau seems to be on https://issues.apache.org/
> > jira/browse/NETBEANS-373?filter=12343308
> >
> > Under Apache https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-330?
> > filter=12343308 will probably not get fixed. Apache doesn't really
> > measure active users and such, see my thread on legal-discuss about this
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/86dd3078bfc3b793d46885c1aab43c
> > e1e0cbf79c63a8902a4f7e6e90@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
> >
> > There's also a LEGAL (or IFRA?) issue, I can't find the number now. But
> > obviously I am very much in favour of having some idea of our reach.
> >
> > --emi
> >
> >
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> >
> > On 27 March 2018 3:17 PM, Jiří Kovalský 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi NetBeans developers,
> > >
> > > as NetCAT testing of Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 development builds is
> > >
> > > quickly progressing we have created a JIRA dashboard to monitor overall
> > >
> > > quality and release blockers [1] in particular. That's the step A. :)
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?filter=12343308
> > >
> > > Obviously, we also need to have a plan for step B, right? That's why
> > >
> > > we are turning to you knowledgeable users of NetBeans platform and
> > >
> > > plugin developers with our request for help.
> > >
> > > If you can spare an hour here and there during the following couple
> > >
> > > of weeks and volunteer for fixing one of the blocking issues or at
> least
> > >
> > > trying to find their cause in the code/infra it would be a tremendous
> > >
> > > help! Often the investigation itself represents significant part of the
> > >
> > > fix or at least guides potential successors where to explore more or
> > >
> > > where not at all.
> > >
> > > If you decide to help with this critical effort, please assign the
> > >
> > > selected issue to yourself and free the Assignee field as soon as you
> > >
> > > know you cannot make any more progress.
> > >
> > > Right now there are only 4 blockers so let's not allow this number to
> > >
> > > grow! :) Anyone going to help?
> > >
> > > Thanks to all brave geeks for contribution towards stable 9.0 release!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > -Jirka
> > >
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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Jan Lahoda]

FWIW, I think we should also try to make sure the requested changes from
9.0 beta rc2/3 are resolved as well:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta+rc3

Many of them are, some are not yet.

Jan


On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Emilian Bold 
wrote:

> It would be nice if dev@ would get emails about these blockers. I really
> live in the mailing list, terminal and GitHub.
>
> In what way is https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-467?
> filter=12343308 a blocker? I guess we need to change our Apache build to
> also generate the Maven binaries (which are then hosted on the build
> server?) but I don't see who's being blocked -- NetCAT participants?
>
> Tim Boudreau seems to be on https://issues.apache.org/
> jira/browse/NETBEANS-373?filter=12343308
>
> Under Apache https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-330?
> filter=12343308 will probably not get fixed. Apache doesn't really
> measure active users and such, see my thread on legal-discuss about this
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/86dd3078bfc3b793d46885c1aab43c
> e1e0cbf79c63a8902a4f7e6e90@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
>
> There's also a LEGAL (or IFRA?) issue, I can't find the number now. But
> obviously I am very much in favour of having some idea of our reach.
>
> --emi
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On 27 March 2018 3:17 PM, Jiří Kovalský  wrote:
>
> > Hi NetBeans developers,
> >
> > as NetCAT testing of Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 development builds is
> >
> > quickly progressing we have created a JIRA dashboard to monitor overall
> >
> > quality and release blockers [1] in particular. That's the step A. :)
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?filter=12343308
> >
> > Obviously, we also need to have a plan for step B, right? That's why
> >
> > we are turning to you knowledgeable users of NetBeans platform and
> >
> > plugin developers with our request for help.
> >
> > If you can spare an hour here and there during the following couple
> >
> > of weeks and volunteer for fixing one of the blocking issues or at least
> >
> > trying to find their cause in the code/infra it would be a tremendous
> >
> > help! Often the investigation itself represents significant part of the
> >
> > fix or at least guides potential successors where to explore more or
> >
> > where not at all.
> >
> > If you decide to help with this critical effort, please assign the
> >
> > selected issue to yourself and free the Assignee field as soon as you
> >
> > know you cannot make any more progress.
> >
> > Right now there are only 4 blockers so let's not allow this number to
> >
> > grow! :) Anyone going to help?
> >
> > Thanks to all brave geeks for contribution towards stable 9.0 release!
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > -Jirka
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Neil C Smith]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 at 20:45 Antonio  wrote:

> In my case: Jira is very slow. Finding an issue is a pain in the neck.
>

Well, yes, there's that as well! :-)  But we need somewhere it all comes
together somehow - the old bugzilla had issues, patches and code reviews
tied together much better than we have now?

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 at 08:24 Christian Lenz  wrote:

> I’m also for it, to sync Github with Jira, atm the bug section at Github
> for incubator-netbeans is hidden. I think there was a reason for that, but
> this is not that good, because as often as I said, not everyone is using
> JIRA and will use it. They see github and will try to add a ticket and they
> can’t.
>

I think this is an ASF requirement?  Or at least that a canonical list of
issues exists on the ASF side.  Seems like there are sync tools out there
though (eg. CoreOS has one)

Best wishes,

Neil

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AW: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Christian Lenz]

I’m also for it, to sync Github with Jira, atm the bug section at Github for 
incubator-netbeans is hidden. I think there was a reason for that, but this is 
not that good, because as often as I said, not everyone is using JIRA and will 
use it. They see github and will try to add a ticket and they can’t.


Cheers

Chris

Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2018 08:12
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

Hi Gili,

I think you’ll find most people would rather fix issues and improve
NetBeans than respond to these kinds of e-mails — and all this
investigation you’ve done and so on: maybe it is better spent on
investigating or highlighting some specific issues? Would you prefer I
spend time responding to your e-mail, as well as the inevitable next one,
or would you prefer I fix issues and improve NetBeans instead?

Thanks,

Gj

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:

> No need to get upset. I'm more than happy to walk back my numbers if the
> data backs it up.
>
> If you take a look at the link you shared (https://github.com/apache/inc
> ubator-netbeans-website/pulse/monthly) you will see that we had 13 merged
> PRs in 30 days and they are all infrastructure-related.
>
> If you take a look at https://github.com/apache/incu
> bator-netbeans/pulse/monthly you will see that we had 30 merged PRs of
> which 27 are legitimate fixes (not infrastructure-related).
>
> I will be the first to admit that I was wrong about an average of 1 fix
> per week when the reality is probably closer to 4 fixes per week (some
> fixes span multiple PRs). In my defence, here is are the two reports I've
> been looking at:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidV
> iew=220=NETBEANS=reporting=cumulativ
> eFlowDiagram=594=595=830&
> column=831=832=30
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?
> projectOrFilterId=project-12320634=daily&
> daysprevious=30=true=major&
> selectedProjectId=12320634=com.atlassian.jira.
> jira-core-reports-plugin%3Acreatedvsresolved-report
>
> The discussion of synchronizing JIRA and Github issue tracking is relevant
> because user-reported bugs only sit in JIRA. It's nice that people are
> fixing bugs regardless of whether or not they sit in JIRA, but again: users
> only report bugs to JIRA. If 50% of the bugs getting fixed do not come from
> JIRA it means that 50% of the development velocity is invisible to
> end-users. This also helps when discussing the prioritization of bug fixes.
>
> Gili
>
> On 2018-03-27 1:24 PM, Antonio wrote:
>
>> I fully agree with Matthias.
>>
>> In fact this has been a busy month:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pulse/monthly
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>> /pulse/monthly
>> f
>> Cheers,
>> Antonio
>>
>> On 27/03/18 19:18, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2018, 13:14 -0400 schrieb cowwoc:
>>>
>>>> The number of resolved issues over the past 300 days is 0 :)
>>>>
>>>> In general, the pace of non-infrastructure bugs getting fixed is
>>>> still
>>>> very very slow (maybe 1 a week).
>>>>
>>>
>>> this kind of talk it total unhelpful.
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Antonio]

On 28/03/18 04:26, cowwoc wrote:
No need to get upset. I'm more than happy to walk back my numbers if the 
data backs it up.


Who's upset? I was just stating that people is busy doing work here.

Whoever is not happy with the current pace of development (issue solving 
or any other aspect of Apache NetBeans) is always free to improve it.


Those are the benefits of an open source project!

Cheers,
Antonio

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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi Gili,

I think you’ll find most people would rather fix issues and improve
NetBeans than respond to these kinds of e-mails — and all this
investigation you’ve done and so on: maybe it is better spent on
investigating or highlighting some specific issues? Would you prefer I
spend time responding to your e-mail, as well as the inevitable next one,
or would you prefer I fix issues and improve NetBeans instead?

Thanks,

Gj

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018, cowwoc  wrote:

> No need to get upset. I'm more than happy to walk back my numbers if the
> data backs it up.
>
> If you take a look at the link you shared (https://github.com/apache/inc
> ubator-netbeans-website/pulse/monthly) you will see that we had 13 merged
> PRs in 30 days and they are all infrastructure-related.
>
> If you take a look at https://github.com/apache/incu
> bator-netbeans/pulse/monthly you will see that we had 30 merged PRs of
> which 27 are legitimate fixes (not infrastructure-related).
>
> I will be the first to admit that I was wrong about an average of 1 fix
> per week when the reality is probably closer to 4 fixes per week (some
> fixes span multiple PRs). In my defence, here is are the two reports I've
> been looking at:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidV
> iew=220=NETBEANS=reporting=cumulativ
> eFlowDiagram=594=595=830&
> column=831=832=30
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?
> projectOrFilterId=project-12320634=daily&
> daysprevious=30=true=major&
> selectedProjectId=12320634=com.atlassian.jira.
> jira-core-reports-plugin%3Acreatedvsresolved-report
>
> The discussion of synchronizing JIRA and Github issue tracking is relevant
> because user-reported bugs only sit in JIRA. It's nice that people are
> fixing bugs regardless of whether or not they sit in JIRA, but again: users
> only report bugs to JIRA. If 50% of the bugs getting fixed do not come from
> JIRA it means that 50% of the development velocity is invisible to
> end-users. This also helps when discussing the prioritization of bug fixes.
>
> Gili
>
> On 2018-03-27 1:24 PM, Antonio wrote:
>
>> I fully agree with Matthias.
>>
>> In fact this has been a busy month:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pulse/monthly
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup
>> /pulse/monthly
>> f
>> Cheers,
>> Antonio
>>
>> On 27/03/18 19:18, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2018, 13:14 -0400 schrieb cowwoc:
>>>
 The number of resolved issues over the past 300 days is 0 :)

 In general, the pace of non-infrastructure bugs getting fixed is
 still
 very very slow (maybe 1 a week).

>>>
>>> this kind of talk it total unhelpful.
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>> -
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>>>
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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[cowwoc]

No need to get upset. I'm more than happy to walk back my numbers if the 
data backs it up.


If you take a look at the link you shared 
(https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pulse/monthly) you 
will see that we had 13 merged PRs in 30 days and they are all 
infrastructure-related.


If you take a look at 
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pulse/monthly you will see 
that we had 30 merged PRs of which 27 are legitimate fixes (not 
infrastructure-related).


I will be the first to admit that I was wrong about an average of 1 fix 
per week when the reality is probably closer to 4 fixes per week (some 
fixes span multiple PRs). In my defence, here is are the two reports 
I've been looking at:


https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=220=NETBEANS=reporting=cumulativeFlowDiagram=594=595=830=831=832=30
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=project-12320634=daily=30=true=major=12320634=com.atlassian.jira.jira-core-reports-plugin%3Acreatedvsresolved-report

The discussion of synchronizing JIRA and Github issue tracking is 
relevant because user-reported bugs only sit in JIRA. It's nice that 
people are fixing bugs regardless of whether or not they sit in JIRA, 
but again: users only report bugs to JIRA. If 50% of the bugs getting 
fixed do not come from JIRA it means that 50% of the development 
velocity is invisible to end-users. This also helps when discussing the 
prioritization of bug fixes.


Gili

On 2018-03-27 1:24 PM, Antonio wrote:

I fully agree with Matthias.

In fact this has been a busy month:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pulse/monthly
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup/pulse/monthly 


f
Cheers,
Antonio

On 27/03/18 19:18, Matthias Bläsing wrote:

Hey,

Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2018, 13:14 -0400 schrieb cowwoc:

The number of resolved issues over the past 300 days is 0 :)

In general, the pace of non-infrastructure bugs getting fixed is
still
very very slow (maybe 1 a week).


this kind of talk it total unhelpful.

Matthias

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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[John McDonnell]

A JIRA plugin already exists (it's not pretty but its there ;) ).

I think it was created by the NetBeans team so we could take it over, and I
would propose bringing it into the IDE by default since we want to make it
easier for NetBeans users to raise defects.

Regards

John



On 27 March 2018 at 20:45, Antonio  wrote:

>
>
> On 27/03/18 19:59, Neil C Smith wrote:
> [...]
>
>>
>> While I do agree with you both, I think our use of Jira is also less than
>> optimal. Leaving aside my feelings about the number of PRs that bypass
>> Jira
>> entirely, having what's there out of sync is surely a problem?
>>
>>
> In my case: Jira is very slow. Finding an issue is a pain in the neck.
> Maybe we want to start working in a Jira plugin to show NetBeans issues
> properly.
>
> Rather than Dmitry's suggestion on syncing with GitHub, do we know if Jira
>> and git at ASF supports smart commit messages?
>>
>>
> That's a good question for the infra team, I think.
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Antonio]

On 27/03/18 19:59, Neil C Smith wrote:
[...]


While I do agree with you both, I think our use of Jira is also less than
optimal. Leaving aside my feelings about the number of PRs that bypass Jira
entirely, having what's there out of sync is surely a problem?



In my case: Jira is very slow. Finding an issue is a pain in the neck. 
Maybe we want to start working in a Jira plugin to show NetBeans issues 
properly.



Rather than Dmitry's suggestion on syncing with GitHub, do we know if Jira
and git at ASF supports smart commit messages?



That's a good question for the infra team, I think.

Cheers,
Antonio

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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Neil C Smith]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018, 18:24 Antonio,  wrote:

> I fully agree with Matthias.
>

While I do agree with you both, I think our use of Jira is also less than
optimal. Leaving aside my feelings about the number of PRs that bypass Jira
entirely, having what's there out of sync is surely a problem?

Rather than Dmitry's suggestion on syncing with GitHub, do we know if Jira
and git at ASF supports smart commit messages?



> In fact this has been a busy month:
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pulse/monthly
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup/pulse/monthly


As much as I like the website! ;-)

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pulse/monthly

Best wishes,

Neil
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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Antonio]

I fully agree with Matthias.

In fact this has been a busy month:

https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/pulse/monthly
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup/pulse/monthly
f
Cheers,
Antonio

On 27/03/18 19:18, Matthias Bläsing wrote:

Hey,

Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2018, 13:14 -0400 schrieb cowwoc:

The number of resolved issues over the past 300 days is 0 :)

In general, the pace of non-infrastructure bugs getting fixed is
still
very very slow (maybe 1 a week).


this kind of talk it total unhelpful.

Matthias

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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Dmitry Avtonomov]

Is there any way to sync an issue tracker on github with jira
(automatically)?

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Matthias Bläsing <
mblaes...@doppel-helix.eu> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2018, 13:14 -0400 schrieb cowwoc:
> > The number of resolved issues over the past 300 days is 0 :)
> >
> > In general, the pace of non-infrastructure bugs getting fixed is
> > still
> > very very slow (maybe 1 a week).
>
> this kind of talk it total unhelpful.
>
> Matthias
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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Matthias Bläsing]

Hey,

Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2018, 13:14 -0400 schrieb cowwoc:
> The number of resolved issues over the past 300 days is 0 :)
> 
> In general, the pace of non-infrastructure bugs getting fixed is
> still 
> very very slow (maybe 1 a week).

this kind of talk it total unhelpful.

Matthias

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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[John McDonnell]

But if you look at PR's in GitHub there's more activity there:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pulse


JIRA doesn't appear to be the place people are using to reference work
their doing.

John

On 27 March 2018 at 18:14, cowwoc  wrote:

> The number of resolved issues over the past 300 days is 0 :)
>
> In general, the pace of non-infrastructure bugs getting fixed is still
> very very slow (maybe 1 a week).
>
> Gili
>
>
> On 2018-03-27 8:24 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
>
>> BTW, the simple dashboard itself is here:
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectP
>> ageId=12332455
>>
>> -Jirka
>>
>> Dne 27.3.2018 v 14:17 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):
>>
>> Hi NetBeans developers,
>>>
>>> as NetCAT testing of Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 development builds is
>>> quickly progressing we have created a JIRA dashboard to monitor overall
>>> quality and release blockers [1] in particular. That's the step A. :)
>>>
>>> [1] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.
>>> apache.org_jira_issues_-3Ffilter-3D12343308=DwICBA=RoP1Y
>>> umCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQ
>>> KCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=Do6sKu7GmUqnOUNd8pns4Dk5AAC5595RO
>>> rUaaOaqryI=lO-ttqyOgokcv0ht484vC-FFNIrczlQaLM4gEID7rpA=
>>>
>>> Obviously, we also need to have a plan for step B, right? That's why
>>> we are turning to you knowledgeable users of NetBeans platform and plugin
>>> developers with our request for help.
>>>
>>> If you can spare an hour here and there during the following couple
>>> of weeks and volunteer for fixing one of the blocking issues or at least
>>> trying to find their cause in the code/infra it would be a tremendous help!
>>> Often the investigation itself represents significant part of the fix or at
>>> least guides potential successors where to explore more or where not at all.
>>>
>>> If you decide to help with this critical effort, please assign the
>>> selected issue to yourself and free the Assignee field as soon as you know
>>> you cannot make any more progress.
>>>
>>> Right now there are only 4 blockers so let's not allow this number to
>>> grow! :) Anyone going to help?
>>>
>>> Thanks to all brave geeks for contribution towards stable 9.0 release!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> -Jirka
>>>
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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[cowwoc]

The number of resolved issues over the past 300 days is 0 :)

In general, the pace of non-infrastructure bugs getting fixed is still 
very very slow (maybe 1 a week).


Gili

On 2018-03-27 8:24 AM, Jiří Kovalský wrote:

BTW, the simple dashboard itself is here:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12332455 



-Jirka

Dne 27.3.2018 v 14:17 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):


Hi NetBeans developers,

    as NetCAT testing of Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 development builds 
is quickly progressing we have created a JIRA dashboard to monitor 
overall quality and release blockers [1] in particular. That's the 
step A. :)


[1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_issues_-3Ffilter-3D12343308=DwICBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=Do6sKu7GmUqnOUNd8pns4Dk5AAC5595ROrUaaOaqryI=lO-ttqyOgokcv0ht484vC-FFNIrczlQaLM4gEID7rpA= 



    Obviously, we also need to have a plan for step B, right? That's 
why we are turning to you knowledgeable users of NetBeans platform 
and plugin developers with our request for help.


    If you can spare an hour here and there during the following 
couple of weeks and volunteer for fixing one of the blocking issues 
or at least trying to find their cause in the code/infra it would be 
a tremendous help! Often the investigation itself represents 
significant part of the fix or at least guides potential successors 
where to explore more or where not at all.


    If you decide to help with this critical effort, please assign 
the selected issue to yourself and free the Assignee field as soon as 
you know you cannot make any more progress.


Right now there are only 4 blockers so let's not allow this number to 
grow! :) Anyone going to help?


Thanks to all brave geeks for contribution towards stable 9.0 release!

Best regards,
-Jirka

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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Eirik Bakke]

> Right now there are only 4 blockers so let's not allow this number to grow! :)

If I were to nominate a few bugs for high priority (though maybe not 
blocking-level priority), here are some:
* NETBEANS-403 Pressing 
Home/End scrolls to beginning/end of whole document if tooltip is open
* NETBEANS-346 Tabs, 
characters, and the right Margin don't line up
* Various new bugs relating to nb-javac (see my separate email with subject 
"Bugs potentially relating to nb-javac").

NETBEANS-403 in particular I might be able to submit a patch for myself--but it 
would be nice to get a comment from someone who knows the editor actions system 
to confirm my understanding (see my comments in the JIRA issue). The relevant 
code is in editor.lib/src/org/netbeans/editor/PopupManager.java.

-- Eirik

On 3/27/18, 8:17 AM, "Jiří Kovalský" 
> wrote:

Hi NetBeans developers,

as NetCAT testing of Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 development builds is
quickly progressing we have created a JIRA dashboard to monitor overall
quality and release blockers [1] in particular. That's the step A. :)

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?filter=12343308

Obviously, we also need to have a plan for step B, right? That's why
we are turning to you knowledgeable users of NetBeans platform and
plugin developers with our request for help.

If you can spare an hour here and there during the following couple
of weeks and volunteer for fixing one of the blocking issues or at least
trying to find their cause in the code/infra it would be a tremendous
help! Often the investigation itself represents significant part of the
fix or at least guides potential successors where to explore more or
where not at all.

If you decide to help with this critical effort, please assign the
selected issue to yourself and free the Assignee field as soon as you
know you cannot make any more progress.

Right now there are only 4 blockers so let's not allow this number to
grow! :) Anyone going to help?

Thanks to all brave geeks for contribution towards stable 9.0 release!

Best regards,
-Jirka

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Re: Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Jiří Kovalský]

BTW, the simple dashboard itself is here:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa?selectPageId=12332455

-Jirka

Dne 27.3.2018 v 14:17 Jiří Kovalský napsal(a):


Hi NetBeans developers,

    as NetCAT testing of Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 development builds is 
quickly progressing we have created a JIRA dashboard to monitor overall 
quality and release blockers [1] in particular. That's the step A. :)


[1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_issues_-3Ffilter-3D12343308=DwICBA=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4=Do6sKu7GmUqnOUNd8pns4Dk5AAC5595ROrUaaOaqryI=lO-ttqyOgokcv0ht484vC-FFNIrczlQaLM4gEID7rpA= 



    Obviously, we also need to have a plan for step B, right? That's why 
we are turning to you knowledgeable users of NetBeans platform and 
plugin developers with our request for help.


    If you can spare an hour here and there during the following couple 
of weeks and volunteer for fixing one of the blocking issues or at least 
trying to find their cause in the code/infra it would be a tremendous 
help! Often the investigation itself represents significant part of the 
fix or at least guides potential successors where to explore more or 
where not at all.


    If you decide to help with this critical effort, please assign the 
selected issue to yourself and free the Assignee field as soon as you 
know you cannot make any more progress.


Right now there are only 4 blockers so let's not allow this number to 
grow! :) Anyone going to help?


Thanks to all brave geeks for contribution towards stable 9.0 release!

Best regards,
-Jirka

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Help wanted with fixing NetBeans 9.0 blockers

[Jiří Kovalský]

Hi NetBeans developers,

   as NetCAT testing of Apache NetBeans IDE 9.0 development builds is 
quickly progressing we have created a JIRA dashboard to monitor overall 
quality and release blockers [1] in particular. That's the step A. :)


[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?filter=12343308

   Obviously, we also need to have a plan for step B, right? That's why 
we are turning to you knowledgeable users of NetBeans platform and 
plugin developers with our request for help.


   If you can spare an hour here and there during the following couple 
of weeks and volunteer for fixing one of the blocking issues or at least 
trying to find their cause in the code/infra it would be a tremendous 
help! Often the investigation itself represents significant part of the 
fix or at least guides potential successors where to explore more or 
where not at all.


   If you decide to help with this critical effort, please assign the 
selected issue to yourself and free the Assignee field as soon as you 
know you cannot make any more progress.


Right now there are only 4 blockers so let's not allow this number to 
grow! :) Anyone going to help?


Thanks to all brave geeks for contribution towards stable 9.0 release!

Best regards,
-Jirka

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