Re: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-12489) Product Prices - VIEW permissions
I want to personally thank Michael Brohl for the thorough and valuable
reviews.
I also greatly respect Michael for his wisdom and patience to ignore such
troublesome posts.
Thank you,
Jacopo
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 9:40 AM Pierre Smits wrote:
> My thanks goes out to those members of the OFBiz PMC who recognised (and
> agreed with me) that volunteers feeling attacked ("trolled") by feedback of
> PMC and ASF Member Michael Brohl is detrimental to the health of the
> project,.
>
> His behaviour, as displayed in various comments on tickets and pull
> requests over the past two months, has caused engagement of and healthy,
> constructive discussions between collaborating volunteers to not only
> decline, but also swing like a pendulum. Making it more difficult for
> collaborating contributors to come to conclusions and consensus to move
> forward.
> Thanks for recognising, like me, that the heated and fruitless debates
> caused by this behaviour is a waste of my and fellow contributors' precious
> time.
>
> I trust that talks within the PMC has shown Michael the error of his ways,
> and can learn from this.. And I hope that, now this has been addressed, the
> community can come back together and get healed. Leading to more happy
> collaborations working towards a better community and its works with each
> of the engaging interactions.
>
> I also thank the members of the ASF who stepped up and advised the members
> of the OFBiz PMC, regarding the inappropriate behaviour of Michael Brohl.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Pierre Smits
> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz , PMC Member*
>
> Anyone could have been you, whereas I've always been anyone.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 9:06 PM Jacopo Cappellato <
> jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pierre,
> >
> > The OFBiz PMC has reviewed your complaints and has received some advice
> > from various ASF members: with this response we are implementing some of
> > those.
> > The PMC considers troublesome the fact that you feel attacked ("trolled")
> > by the feedback you receive by Michael (and possibly others) and that you
> > consider the feedback being "inappropriate", because it prevents any
> > possibility to discuss your contributions in a constructive manner, it
> > leads to heated and fruitless debates that may be unhealthy for the OFBiz
> > community and a waste of time for its contributors.
> >
> > The PMC has thus decided to ask the project's volunteers (PMC members,
> > committers and contributors) to put "on hold" or reject or disregard any
> > of your contributions, such as code, documentation, mailing list
> > discussions
> > etc. and close Jira issues and pull requests that are not straightforward
> > and require further interactions/discussions with you before they can be
> > approved or accepted.
> >
> > On behalf of the Apache OFBiz PMC,
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 AM Pierre Smits
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
> >> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
> >> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
> >> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in
> >> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
> >> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting
> you
> >> ever will.
> >> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
> >> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
> >> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what,
> where
> >> and when.
> >> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the
> project
> >> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow
> >> contributors
> >> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
> >> repositories.
> >>
> >> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
> >> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what
> the
> >> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
> >> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
> >> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that
> could
> >> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
> >> derived from such a thread.
> >>
> >> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
> >> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
> >> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor
> the
> >> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
> >> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
> >> instead of presenting them as rules
Re: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-12489) Product Prices - VIEW permissions
My thanks goes out to those members of the OFBiz PMC who recognised (and
agreed with me) that volunteers feeling attacked ("trolled") by feedback of
PMC and ASF Member Michael Brohl is detrimental to the health of the
project,.
His behaviour, as displayed in various comments on tickets and pull
requests over the past two months, has caused engagement of and healthy,
constructive discussions between collaborating volunteers to not only
decline, but also swing like a pendulum. Making it more difficult for
collaborating contributors to come to conclusions and consensus to move
forward.
Thanks for recognising, like me, that the heated and fruitless debates
caused by this behaviour is a waste of my and fellow contributors' precious
time.
I trust that talks within the PMC has shown Michael the error of his ways,
and can learn from this.. And I hope that, now this has been addressed, the
community can come back together and get healed. Leading to more happy
collaborations working towards a better community and its works with each
of the engaging interactions.
I also thank the members of the ASF who stepped up and advised the members
of the OFBiz PMC, regarding the inappropriate behaviour of Michael Brohl.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Pierre Smits
*Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz , PMC Member*
Anyone could have been you, whereas I've always been anyone.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 9:06 PM Jacopo Cappellato <
jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pierre,
>
> The OFBiz PMC has reviewed your complaints and has received some advice
> from various ASF members: with this response we are implementing some of
> those.
> The PMC considers troublesome the fact that you feel attacked ("trolled")
> by the feedback you receive by Michael (and possibly others) and that you
> consider the feedback being "inappropriate", because it prevents any
> possibility to discuss your contributions in a constructive manner, it
> leads to heated and fruitless debates that may be unhealthy for the OFBiz
> community and a waste of time for its contributors.
>
> The PMC has thus decided to ask the project's volunteers (PMC members,
> committers and contributors) to put "on hold" or reject or disregard any
> of your contributions, such as code, documentation, mailing list
> discussions
> etc. and close Jira issues and pull requests that are not straightforward
> and require further interactions/discussions with you before they can be
> approved or accepted.
>
> On behalf of the Apache OFBiz PMC,
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 AM Pierre Smits
> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
>> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
>> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
>> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in
>> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
>> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting you
>> ever will.
>> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
>> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
>> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what, where
>> and when.
>> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the project
>> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow
>> contributors
>> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
>> repositories.
>>
>> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
>> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what the
>> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
>> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
>> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that could
>> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
>> derived from such a thread.
>>
>> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
>> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
>> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor the
>> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
>> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
>> instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In
>> this
>> project there are no such 'contribution' rules.
>> There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within the
>> project. And these indicate that anything goes.
>>
>> If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the
>> project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project and
>> work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow
