I want to personally thank Michael Brohl for the thorough and valuable
reviews.
I also greatly respect Michael for his wisdom and patience to ignore such
troublesome posts.
Thank you,
Jacopo
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 9:40 AM Pierre Smits <pierresm...@apache.org> wrote:
> My thanks goes out to those members of the OFBiz PMC who recognised (and
> agreed with me) that volunteers feeling attacked ("trolled") by feedback of
> PMC and ASF Member Michael Brohl is detrimental to the health of the
> project,.
>
> His behaviour, as displayed in various comments on tickets and pull
> requests over the past two months, has caused engagement of and healthy,
> constructive discussions between collaborating volunteers to not only
> decline, but also swing like a pendulum. Making it more difficult for
> collaborating contributors to come to conclusions and consensus to move
> forward.
> Thanks for recognising, like me, that the heated and fruitless debates
> caused by this behaviour is a waste of my and fellow contributors' precious
> time.
>
> I trust that talks within the PMC has shown Michael the error of his ways,
> and can learn from this.. And I hope that, now this has been addressed, the
> community can come back together and get healed. Leading to more happy
> collaborations working towards a better community and its works with each
> of the engaging interactions.
>
> I also thank the members of the ASF who stepped up and advised the members
> of the OFBiz PMC, regarding the inappropriate behaviour of Michael Brohl.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Pierre Smits
> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since
> 2008 (without privileges)
> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
>
> Anyone could have been you, whereas I've always been anyone.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 9:06 PM Jacopo Cappellato <
> jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pierre,
> >
> > The OFBiz PMC has reviewed your complaints and has received some advice
> > from various ASF members: with this response we are implementing some of
> > those.
> > The PMC considers troublesome the fact that you feel attacked ("trolled")
> > by the feedback you receive by Michael (and possibly others) and that you
> > consider the feedback being "inappropriate", because it prevents any
> > possibility to discuss your contributions in a constructive manner, it
> > leads to heated and fruitless debates that may be unhealthy for the OFBiz
> > community and a waste of time for its contributors.
> >
> > The PMC has thus decided to ask the project's volunteers (PMC members,
> > committers and contributors) to put "on hold" or reject or disregard any
> > of your contributions, such as code, documentation, mailing list
> > discussions
> > etc. and close Jira issues and pull requests that are not straightforward
> > and require further interactions/discussions with you before they can be
> > approved or accepted.
> >
> > On behalf of the Apache OFBiz PMC,
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 AM Pierre Smits <pierresm...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your
> >> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this.
> >> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of
> >> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in
> >> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is
> >> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting
> you
> >> ever will.
> >> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve
> >> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that
> >> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what,
> where
> >> and when.
> >> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the
> project
> >> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow
> >> contributors
> >> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its
> >> repositories.
> >>
> >> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to
> >> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what
> the
> >> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms.
> >> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev
> >> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that
> could
> >> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be
> >> derived from such a thread.
> >>
> >> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public
> >> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project.
> >> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor
> the
> >> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company).
> >> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees,
> >> instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In
> >> this
> >> project there are no such 'contribution' rules.
> >> There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within
> the
> >> project. And these indicate that anything goes.
> >>
> >> If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the
> >> project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project
> and
> >> work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow the
> >> lead
> >> of what many of your fellow privileged contributors do in this project
> >> nowadays.
> >>
> >> Again: s*top trolling me*. You bring nothing new to the tickets I am
> >> working. Keep your complaints to yourself, or use them to create a
> >> positive
> >> change to the project that will make OFBiz more appealing, more
> >> trustworthy, attracting a greater diversity of contributors instead of a
> >> negative change.
> >>
> >> If you want to improve OFBiz, go work the tickets that have your name as
> >> the assignee to a successful conclusion (or take those of the
> contributors
> >> paid by your company, or - if that is all done - take those that are
> >> unassigned as there are plenty of possibilities there), instead of
> >> harassing fellow contributors and me collaborating to improve OFBiz.
> >>
> >> Pierre Smits
> >> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/>
> since
> >> 2008 (without privileges)
> >> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006
> >>
> >> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
> >>
> >
>
