I want to personally thank Michael Brohl for the thorough and valuable reviews. I also greatly respect Michael for his wisdom and patience to ignore such troublesome posts.
Thank you, Jacopo On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 9:40 AM Pierre Smits <[email protected]> wrote: > My thanks goes out to those members of the OFBiz PMC who recognised (and > agreed with me) that volunteers feeling attacked ("trolled") by feedback of > PMC and ASF Member Michael Brohl is detrimental to the health of the > project,. > > His behaviour, as displayed in various comments on tickets and pull > requests over the past two months, has caused engagement of and healthy, > constructive discussions between collaborating volunteers to not only > decline, but also swing like a pendulum. Making it more difficult for > collaborating contributors to come to conclusions and consensus to move > forward. > Thanks for recognising, like me, that the heated and fruitless debates > caused by this behaviour is a waste of my and fellow contributors' precious > time. > > I trust that talks within the PMC has shown Michael the error of his ways, > and can learn from this.. And I hope that, now this has been addressed, the > community can come back together and get healed. Leading to more happy > collaborations working towards a better community and its works with each > of the engaging interactions. > > I also thank the members of the ASF who stepped up and advised the members > of the OFBiz PMC, regarding the inappropriate behaviour of Michael Brohl. > > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Pierre Smits > *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since > 2008 (without privileges) > Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006 > *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* > > Anyone could have been you, whereas I've always been anyone. > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 9:06 PM Jacopo Cappellato < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Pierre, > > > > The OFBiz PMC has reviewed your complaints and has received some advice > > from various ASF members: with this response we are implementing some of > > those. > > The PMC considers troublesome the fact that you feel attacked ("trolled") > > by the feedback you receive by Michael (and possibly others) and that you > > consider the feedback being "inappropriate", because it prevents any > > possibility to discuss your contributions in a constructive manner, it > > leads to heated and fruitless debates that may be unhealthy for the OFBiz > > community and a waste of time for its contributors. > > > > The PMC has thus decided to ask the project's volunteers (PMC members, > > committers and contributors) to put "on hold" or reject or disregard any > > of your contributions, such as code, documentation, mailing list > > discussions > > etc. and close Jira issues and pull requests that are not straightforward > > and require further interactions/discussions with you before they can be > > approved or accepted. > > > > On behalf of the Apache OFBiz PMC, > > > > Jacopo > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:01 AM Pierre Smits <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Michael, > >> > >> I told you before in (other) tickets to stop trolling me through your > >> complaints in the tickets I am working on. You continue to do this. > >> Your remarks about you not committing the code contributions of > >> unprivileged contributors are totally inappropriate. Not appropriate in > >> ticket comments, nor in the mailing lists of the project. Nobody is > >> strong-arming you to commit or merge improvements. Nobody is expecting > you > >> ever will. > >> Stop trying to pressure fellow contributors, collaborating to improve > >> OFBiz, to follow your dictate by your attempt to frame a narrative that > >> there is an agreement about how contributors are to contribute what, > where > >> and when. > >> Such narrative is solely intended to dictate the direction of the > project > >> for your self serving purposes, resulting in alienating fellow > >> contributors > >> from collaborating in the OFBiz project to get improvements into its > >> repositories. > >> > >> There has never been such an agreement on how, what, where and when to > >> contribute in the OFBiz community. Nor on the specific subject of what > the > >> correct translation label that is to be used in OFBiz screens and forms. > >> No discussion on that latter subject has ever been started on the dev > >> mailing list, nor is there any series of postings on that list that > could > >> lead to someone being able to claim that a kind of consensus could be > >> derived from such a thread. > >> > >> It appears, IMO, that you don't want what is for the good of the public > >> through the deliverables of the OFBiz project. > >> Your business needs and goals are not the concerns of the project, nor > the > >> concerns of the contributors not paid by you(r company). > >> You keep your Ecomify rules re OFBiz to yourself and for your employees, > >> instead of presenting them as rules (or agreements) of the project. In > >> this > >> project there are no such 'contribution' rules. > >> There are only guidelines, and precedents established over time within > the > >> project. And these indicate that anything goes. > >> > >> If you want to change what the way is how contributions are done to the > >> project, you start a discussion on the dev mailing list of the project > and > >> work that discussion towards a consensus. Alternatively you follow the > >> lead > >> of what many of your fellow privileged contributors do in this project > >> nowadays. > >> > >> Again: s*top trolling me*. You bring nothing new to the tickets I am > >> working. Keep your complaints to yourself, or use them to create a > >> positive > >> change to the project that will make OFBiz more appealing, more > >> trustworthy, attracting a greater diversity of contributors instead of a > >> negative change. > >> > >> If you want to improve OFBiz, go work the tickets that have your name as > >> the assignee to a successful conclusion (or take those of the > contributors > >> paid by your company, or - if that is all done - take those that are > >> unassigned as there are plenty of possibilities there), instead of > >> harassing fellow contributors and me collaborating to improve OFBiz. > >> > >> Pierre Smits > >> *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> > since > >> 2008 (without privileges) > >> Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006 > >> > >> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* > >> > > >
