Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available
On 21/12/2012 janI wrote: On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/respin_aoo341/ Access forbidden when clicking on files: this must be fixed ... when running chmod then may also remove incubating part of the name :-) It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages too: having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we make in some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be our first non-incubator release. Shall we then change the Please help with translation announcement on the relevant home pages into something like -1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a release was close... OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the original announcement. And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions, that we are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time). We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret. So something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to volunteer in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to the builds) is perfectly acceptable. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain what I mean. The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value. A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal: - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products can only dream to go: - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth. - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented product. I could go on. I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess after all we are OPEN office. I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont judge it on that. It is simply a thought out of the box, and hopefully it can trigger some ideas. You can see my proposal here: http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world. Jan I. On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly... Have a good afternoon... On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Michael, this (https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/** content/images/AOO_logos/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/ ) might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by using the other wing. Looking forward to your suggestions :) Sincerely, Armin On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hello Armin, I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo but desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case where they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on their flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg file I sent yesterday. All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something on updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with something tangible during the next few hours. Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that? Thanks for the suggestions. On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about: - only slightly changing the AOO logo - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and the color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle, making the upper half slightly lighter than the lower one). Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-) HTH! Sincerely, Armin On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator. Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a logo proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice Google+ community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second version of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice orb, but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored squares that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc, Impress, and Base) and utilizing a streamlined font. Without further introductions, below I present my official submission for the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. This first logo, is the proposed official logo for the project that would be used for our webpage and some other materials. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lETVSrwcgJc/**UNJpH6G1sxI/** ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-5% 2520Small%2520copy.jpghttps:/**/lh3.googleusercontent.com/-**
Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available
On 22 December 2012 11:19, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 21/12/2012 janI wrote: On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/**respin_aoo341/http://people.apache.org/~jsc/respin_aoo341/ Access forbidden when clicking on files: this must be fixed ... when running chmod then may also remove incubating part of the name :-) It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages too: having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we make in some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be our first non-incubator release. got it. Shall we then change the Please help with translation announcement on the relevant home pages into something like -1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a release was close... OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the original announcement. And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions, that we are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time). We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret. So something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to volunteer in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to the builds) is perfectly acceptable. That is a very fine way of doing it, thereby we also know a little about where it is tested. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available
Am 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 21/12/2012 janI wrote: On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/respin_aoo341/ Access forbidden when clicking on files: this must be fixed ... when running chmod then may also remove incubating part of the name :-) It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages too: having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we make in some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be our first non-incubator release. Yes, please no differences within a release. Otherwise it's more complicate to make all these exceptions in the scripts. For AOO 4.0 this will change, for sure - and some things more. Marcus Shall we then change the Please help with translation announcement on the relevant home pages into something like -1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a release was close... OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the original announcement. And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions, that we are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time). We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret. So something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to volunteer in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to the builds) is perfectly acceptable. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [new bug] Msg text translation problem
I like you idea !!! much easier to handle, the implementation might be a little more complicated, because I have to poke around in the code to see where the variables are used. thanks for the idea. Jan I. On 22 December 2012 12:31, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 12/21/2012 11:00 PM, schrieb janI: For general information, I have added a new bug 121536, regarding problems with translations. The content of the msg text in the source code is non translatable due to ambiguity. [xxx] means normally a variable will be inserted here example: [Time] may NOT be translated but [l] (for load) should be translated. xxx means normally XML and should not be translated: example: variable id=janhello/variable may NOT be translated but -pfile should be translated. $xxx means normally a variable will be inserted here example: $id may NOT be translated but $100 dollar should be translated. Now try to explain that to our translators, it is easier to change the source texts ! If nobody objects I will solve this bug, alongside with the oracle changes. What about to write these special variables with nt as postfix. Adding this to the variable name inicates that no translation is wanted or must not happen at all. To stick with your example from above it would look like this: [xxx] translation wanted [xxx-nt] no translation wanted xxx translation wanted xxx-nt no translation wanted $xxx translation wanted $xxx-nt translation wanted Maybe a possible way around the problem? Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available
On 22 December 2012 12:32, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 21/12/2012 janI wrote: On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/**respin_aoo341/http://people.apache.org/~jsc/respin_aoo341/ Access forbidden when clicking on files: this must be fixed ... when running chmod then may also remove incubating part of the name :-) It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages too: having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we make in some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be our first non-incubator release. Yes, please no differences within a release. Otherwise it's more complicate to make all these exceptions in the scripts. For AOO 4.0 this will change, for sure - and some things more. Sorry it was my misunderstanding, of course no changes should be made for a respin ! Marcus Shall we then change the Please help with translation announcement on the relevant home pages into something like -1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a release was close... OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the original announcement. And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions, that we are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time). We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret. So something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to volunteer in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to the builds) is perfectly acceptable. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [new bug] Msg text translation problem
Am 12/22/2012 12:35 PM, schrieb janI: I like you idea !!! much easier to handle, the implementation might be a little more complicated, because I have to poke around in the code to see where the variables are used. Yes, the initial work is maybe a bit more than wanted. However, the communication with our l10n people what to translate and what not could become really easy. thanks for the idea. :-) Marcus On 22 December 2012 12:31, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 12/21/2012 11:00 PM, schrieb janI: For general information, I have added a new bug 121536, regarding problems with translations. The content of the msg text in the source code is non translatable due to ambiguity. [xxx] means normally a variable will be inserted here example: [Time] may NOT be translated but [l] (for load) should be translated. xxx means normally XML and should not be translated: example: variable id=janhello/variable may NOT be translated but -pfile should be translated. $xxx means normally a variable will be inserted here example: $id may NOT be translated but $100 dollar should be translated. Now try to explain that to our translators, it is easier to change the source texts ! If nobody objects I will solve this bug, alongside with the oracle changes. What about to write these special variables with nt as postfix. Adding this to the variable name inicates that no translation is wanted or must not happen at all. To stick with your example from above it would look like this: [xxx] translation wanted [xxx-nt] no translation wanted xxx translation wanted xxx-nt no translation wanted $xxx translation wanted $xxx-nt translation wanted Maybe a possible way around the problem?
Re: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Thank You! There was a problem that in code from Hanya this line create a null object in linux (with LibreOffice): oSounMgr = CreateUnoService(com.sun.star.media.Manager_GStreamer) For oPlayer1 I have control of stopping but for timidity I dont know how to control command line program after start. Killall is needed for stopping sound (from pus button on right side of card). I have only LibreOffice in my Mint system, AOO is on WinVista system (on same hard ware). First my idea was to create some midi controlled animation (for all kind of documents) but it was too difficult to find interface which can read a MIDI note from the media player to a animation macro. Otherwise it seems to be system depended how long it take for first sound is in the air. So there is timing problem without such an interface. So there is just merely random moves of drawing objects and non syncron sounds. Greedings Risto imacat [ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw] kirjoitti: That is cool! The KILLALL is bad, but if you do not log in as root onto your desktop, or run timidity as yourself, then it is fine. It actually does nothing for me, since on my Debian timidity is run as the user timidity, not me. I still wonder why you need to kill timidity, since it still works if KILLALL fails, as in my case. On 2012/12/22 18:30, Risto Jääskeläinen said: Sorry, I forgot the WARNING Don't use this document with macros in real UNIX system. There is KILLALL command used with linux part of code. Risto Risto Jääskeläinen [rjaas...@saunalahti.fi] kirjoitti: I made a Christmas card with Draw. There you can see Santa's secret agents, brownies (tonttuja) somewhere near Korvatunturi. http://www.saunalahti.fi/~rjaaskel/Midi/Tonttukortti.odg Risto -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain what I mean. The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value. A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal: - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products can only dream to go: - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth. - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented product. I could go on. I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess after all we are OPEN office. +1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we are trying to go beyond every limit ;) I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont judge it on that. It is simply a thought out of the box, and hopefully it can trigger some ideas. You can see my proposal here: http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header, but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of other situations where a big logo is needed. Regards Ricardo Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world. Jan I. On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly... Have a good afternoon... On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Michael, this (https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/** content/images/AOO_logos/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/ ) might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by using the other wing. Looking forward to your suggestions :) Sincerely, Armin On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hello Armin, I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo but desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case where they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on their flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg file I sent yesterday. All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something on updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with something tangible during the next few hours. Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that? Thanks for the suggestions. On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about: - only slightly changing the AOO logo - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and the color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle, making the upper half slightly lighter than the lower one). Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-) HTH! Sincerely, Armin On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator. Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a logo proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice Google+ community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second version of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice orb, but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored squares that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc, Impress, and Base) and utilizing a
Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!
2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean some of the dead stuff. I would apriciate if some of the sysop could help me with - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload people are warned this will happen) I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them... Regards Ricardo - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at least one russian template has a remark please do not delete) there are too much for me alone. Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a slimmer system, without loosing any information. Jan.
Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!
Yes, so if you know they are not used delete them...I will not touch them. WBR Jan I. On 22 December 2012 16:55, helen helenruss...@gmail.com wrote: 22.12.2012 21:06, janI пишет: - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at least one russian template has a remark please do not delete) Two Russian categories have a mark as do not delete. -- WBR, Helen
Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!
On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean some of the dead stuff. I would apriciate if some of the sysop could help me with - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload people are warned this will happen) I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them... That is why I need some help :-) but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the upgrade until end of year. Regards Ricardo - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at least one russian template has a remark please do not delete) there are too much for me alone. Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a slimmer system, without loosing any information. Jan.
Re: [RELEASE] Respin snapshot builds for early verification available
On 12/22/2012 03:32 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 12/22/2012 11:19 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 21/12/2012 janI wrote: On 21 December 2012 23:35, Andrea Pescetti wrote: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/respin_aoo341/ Access forbidden when clicking on files: this must be fixed ... when running chmod then may also remove incubating part of the name :-) It was agreed to keep the incubator branding for additional languages too: having it for some languages only would break the assumptions we make in some scripts. 4.0 (or 3.4.2 if needed for some reasons) will be our first non-incubator release. Yes, please no differences within a release. Otherwise it's more complicate to make all these exceptions in the scripts. For AOO 4.0 this will change, for sure - and some things more. Marcus With the discussion of moving our official Apache dist location, it was suggested that we keep these additions branded, i.e. with incubator, as the original 3.4.1 packs. So, these new languages will be tagged as incubator too. Shall we then change the Please help with translation announcement on the relevant home pages into something like -1 For danish I would prefer not. We announced several month ago that a release was close... OK, then I'd consider it for the other languages, which still have the original announcement. And I also understood from the very detailed license discussions, that we are not allowed to publicly announce dev-builds...but maybe this is a special case (as I have been trying to push for a long time). We don't LINK to unreleased builds, but of course they are not secret. So something like the text I proposed (i.e., inviting the visitor to volunteer in testing them and linking to the l10n mailing list, not to the builds) is perfectly acceptable. Regards, Andrea. -- MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop
Re: [WEBSITE] Holiday logo version
No problem, it was very easy to do. On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: On 12/21/2012 04:13 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote: Jahl, I've uploaded secondary versions of the holiday logo with the corrections that you requested on returning the colors of the word OpenOffice to its original one. AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711https://picasaweb.google.com/102338277738893050711/AOOHolidayLogos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMnEnLzl7sKgOA All of them are at the highest resolution available. Michael -- This is very cute, and thanks for doing this. I love it! :) On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: The santa with the original log (I also think you removed the tm) would be just perfect for me...however that is just my opinion and I understood that rob could upload it fast...that would be real nice. Have a nice evening/day jan On 21 December 2012 23:44, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Jahl, Would you like me to return the OpenOffice words to their original color then? It's a quick fix. On Friday, December 21, 2012, janI wrote: I really like the santa variant, but I totally agree with andrea that the logo as such should be our current logo. You really have a touch for design !! Jan I. On 21 December 2012 23:30, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Hello Andrea, I uploaded the logos to a Picasa Web album and should be accessible on the link below. I took a conservative approach and only change the coloring of the words Open and Office with the colors of the season. The change is nothing out of this world. You may see the two variants here: AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711 AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711https://picasaweb.google.com/102338277738893050711/AOOHolidayLogos?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCMnEnLzl7sKgOAfeat=directlink Hope you like them. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org javascript:; wrote: Michael Acevedo wrote: I've attached my candidates to this email. Let me know if you can see --**--** MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop -- Best, Michael
Re: [WEBSITE] Holiday logo version
Just saw the logo in the page. It looks very nice and funny. On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Michael Acevedo wrote: No problem, it was very easy to do. On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Kay Schenk wrote: On 12/21/2012 04:13 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote: Jahl, I've uploaded secondary versions of the holiday logo with the corrections that you requested on returning the colors of the word OpenOffice to its original one. AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711https://picasaweb.google.com/102338277738893050711/AOOHolidayLogos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMnEnLzl7sKgOA All of them are at the highest resolution available. Michael -- This is very cute, and thanks for doing this. I love it! :) On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: The santa with the original log (I also think you removed the tm) would be just perfect for me...however that is just my opinion and I understood that rob could upload it fast...that would be real nice. Have a nice evening/day jan On 21 December 2012 23:44, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Jahl, Would you like me to return the OpenOffice words to their original color then? It's a quick fix. On Friday, December 21, 2012, janI wrote: I really like the santa variant, but I totally agree with andrea that the logo as such should be our current logo. You really have a touch for design !! Jan I. On 21 December 2012 23:30, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Hello Andrea, I uploaded the logos to a Picasa Web album and should be accessible on the link below. I took a conservative approach and only change the coloring of the words Open and Office with the colors of the season. The change is nothing out of this world. You may see the two variants here: AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711 AOOHolidayLogos | 102338277738893050711https://picasaweb.google.com/102338277738893050711/AOOHolidayLogos?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCMnEnLzl7sKgOAfeat=directlink Hope you like them. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org javascript:; wrote: Michael Acevedo wrote: I've attached my candidates to this email. Let me know if you can see --**--** MzK No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted. -- Aesop -- Best, Michael -- Best, Michael
Re: Request Mwiki account
On 12/22/2012 06:57, Bycadi Rao wrote: Dear Sir, Myself Kiran and writing from India. I am a Vb.Net programmer and i would like to merge OpenOffice to my vb application forms. i saw some of the web site and try to learn the same but when ever i clicked on something to download (ODF Toolkit) it's leading me to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/New_accounts page for further procedures. My request is to kindly provide me the uesr crendentilas to download the OCX controls of OpenOffice and use the same in vb.net... Hope you will help me in this regard. Hi, Kiran, We're sorry that you're having a problem. A wiki account is necessary to /upload/ files to the wiki, but /not/ necessary (or even helpful) for downloading. The ODF Toolkit is not hosted on the wiki. What you are seeing is an error in the links. Please write to the list again (not to me), and give the page URL where you found the link, and the link itself. Then I or someone will try to straighten this out. /tj/ (wiki Bureaucrat)
Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!
On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote: On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean some of the dead stuff. I would apriciate if some of the sysop could help me with - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload people are warned this will happen) I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them... That is why I need some help :-) but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the upgrade until end of year. Regards Ricardo - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at least one russian template has a remark please do not delete) there are too much for me alone. Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a slimmer system, without loosing any information. Jan. Hi, Jan, Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework on the wiki :/ so I hope you will run your delete stale unused accounts script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We should get rid of a lot of stale accounts. BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the CheckUser extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers. /tj/
Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test
We have had a problem with math rendering, this has now been resolved and verified. That is the last open bugzilla issue, in parallel infra have helped me secure all changes in the infra svn, so basically we are ready to upgrade the production system. In order to upgrade production I need a window of approx. 12 hours, where the wiki is down. Are there anybody who have opinions on when it should be done (or when not) ? Looking at the time I have available, it can be done before 31/12/2012 or beginning january 2013. jan I. On 21 December 2012 00:42, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote: Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ?? I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1 hit, and that page displays ok. thx in advance jan http://wikitest.openoffice.**org/wiki/Documentation/** Reference/Math_commandshttp://wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Reference/Math_commands has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine. My user page has one example. It's working fine. With the removal of the F*CK editor, the preview before first edit preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back. /tj/
Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!
On 22 December 2012 22:32, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote: On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean some of the dead stuff. I would apriciate if some of the sysop could help me with - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload people are warned this will happen) I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them... That is why I need some help :-) but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the upgrade until end of year. Regards Ricardo - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at least one russian template has a remark please do not delete) there are too much for me alone. Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a slimmer system, without loosing any information. Jan. Hi, Jan, Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework on the wiki :/ so I hope you will run your delete stale unused accounts script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We should get rid of a lot of stale accounts. Thanks for helping, the list seems endless :-( I will run the script again, but not until the upgrade is done, and if the students have uploaded images they will not be deleted, my script searches for users with no contributions of any kind, however I can modify it (if the community agrees) to search for users with my PAGE contributions. BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the CheckUser extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers. I looked at the extension, I can load that, no problem...but if I understand it correctly it does not help identifying already created users. Did you have a look at the new create account page, on wikitest, that is not easy for the average spammer to bypass. jan I. /tj/
Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test
On 12/22/2012 16:33, janI wrote: We have had a problem with math rendering, this has now been resolved and verified. That is the last open bugzilla issue, in parallel infra have helped me secure all changes in the infra svn, so basically we are ready to upgrade the production system. In order to upgrade production I need a window of approx. 12 hours, where the wiki is down. Are there anybody who have opinions on when it should be done (or when not) ? Looking at the time I have available, it can be done before 31/12/2012 or beginning january 2013. jan I. I would suggest a Sunday, or a Saturday, as fairly low-usage days. Any time of day will be inconvenient for some people, so pick a convenient time for you! :-) /tj/ On 21 December 2012 00:42, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote: Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ?? I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1 hit, and that page displays ok. thx in advance jan http://wikitest.openoffice.**org/wiki/Documentation/** Reference/Math_commandshttp://wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Reference/Math_commands has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine. My user page has one example. It's working fine. With the removal of the F*CK editor, the preview before first edit preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back. /tj/
Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test
I will pick a time after breakfast on a sunday :-) I have installed checkUser. In order to activate it for you, you need to go to Special:UserRights and add the CheckUser group to your account, then you can see it in the normal specialPages. HOWEVER, it reports 127.0.0.2 for all users, because of ATS. Please have a look at it, and if I am right and it is not efficient I would like to deinstall it. have a nice day. Jan I. On 22 December 2012 22:55, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/22/2012 16:33, janI wrote: We have had a problem with math rendering, this has now been resolved and verified. That is the last open bugzilla issue, in parallel infra have helped me secure all changes in the infra svn, so basically we are ready to upgrade the production system. In order to upgrade production I need a window of approx. 12 hours, where the wiki is down. Are there anybody who have opinions on when it should be done (or when not) ? Looking at the time I have available, it can be done before 31/12/2012 or beginning january 2013. jan I. I would suggest a Sunday, or a Saturday, as fairly low-usage days. Any time of day will be inconvenient for some people, so pick a convenient time for you! :-) /tj/ On 21 December 2012 00:42, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote: Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ?? I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1 hit, and that page displays ok. thx in advance jan http://wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/** Reference/Math_commandshttp:/**/wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/** Documentation/Reference/Math_**commandshttp://wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Reference/Math_commands has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine. My user page has one example. It's working fine. With the removal of the F*CK editor, the preview before first edit preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back. /tj/
Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!
2012/12/22 TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote: On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean some of the dead stuff. I would apriciate if some of the sysop could help me with - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload people are warned this will happen) I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them... That is why I need some help :-) but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the upgrade until end of year. Regards Ricardo - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at least one russian template has a remark please do not delete) there are too much for me alone. Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a slimmer system, without loosing any information. Jan. Hi, Jan, Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework on the wiki :/ I also found a couple of wallpapers and some maps of German cities... I just arrived up to June 2008 deleting unused files, later I'll go on. If someone else wants to give a hand, it is welcomed ;) Regards Ricardo so I hope you will run your delete stale unused accounts script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We should get rid of a lot of stale accounts. BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the CheckUser extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers. /tj/
Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!
On 12/22/2012 16:40, janI wrote: On 22 December 2012 22:32, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote: On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean some of the dead stuff. I would apriciate if some of the sysop could help me with - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload people are warned this will happen) I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them... That is why I need some help :-) but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the upgrade until end of year. Regards Ricardo - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at least one russian template has a remark please do not delete) there are too much for me alone. Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a slimmer system, without loosing any information. Jan. Hi, Jan, Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework on the wiki :/ so I hope you will run your delete stale unused accounts script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We should get rid of a lot of stale accounts. Thanks for helping, the list seems endless :-( I will run the script again, but not until the upgrade is done, and if the students have uploaded images they will not be deleted, my script searches for users with no contributions of any kind, however I can modify it (if the community agrees) to search for users with my PAGE contributions. The users in question no longer have files uploaded; they've been deleted. If your script counts deleted contributions as active, then yes, please change it. Otherwise, the accounts will disappear properly. BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the CheckUser extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers. I looked at the extension, I can load that, no problem...but if I understand it correctly it does not help identifying already created users. The extension is no help in identifying new spammers, but it's a great help in chasing them, by complaining to the ISP. I have all the bookmarks for that, from my time as a ML moderator. It's also helpful in identifying multiple accounts for the same user (which is okay, unless they're all spammers!). Did you have a look at the new create account page, on wikitest, that is not easy for the average spammer to bypass. It certainly looks ferocious! I hope it works. /tj/ jan I. /tj/
Re: [wiki help] sysop help needed !!
My script uses the log table, so if they hade made a contribution they are not deleted, but I will change it, to check if they have an active contribution. the create account is active, so feel free to test it (the database will be dropped afterwards). Jan. @RBG, we will get to 2012 hopefully before we reach 2013 :-) thanks to all that helps deleting files. On 22 December 2012 23:21, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/22/2012 16:40, janI wrote: On 22 December 2012 22:32, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/22/2012 11:17, janI wrote: On 22 December 2012 17:10, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org Before I upgrade our database (and system) to 1.20.2 I would like to clean some of the dead stuff. I would apriciate if some of the sysop could help me with - looking at special page/unused files and delete them (during upload people are warned this will happen) I started to delete some unused files. There are an awful lot of them... That is why I need some help :-) but it does not matter if it takes a bit of time..I will not do the upgrade until end of year. Regards Ricardo - looking at special page/unsed categories and delete them (WATCH out, at least one russian template has a remark please do not delete) there are too much for me alone. Once it has been done, I will clean it from the database, so we have a slimmer system, without loosing any information. Jan. Hi, Jan, Cleaning out some files, I found a lot of students doing their homework on the wiki :/ so I hope you will run your delete stale unused accounts script again, and with the date updated to the next month. We should get rid of a lot of stale accounts. Thanks for helping, the list seems endless :-( I will run the script again, but not until the upgrade is done, and if the students have uploaded images they will not be deleted, my script searches for users with no contributions of any kind, however I can modify it (if the community agrees) to search for users with my PAGE contributions. The users in question no longer have files uploaded; they've been deleted. If your script counts deleted contributions as active, then yes, please change it. Otherwise, the accounts will disappear properly. BTW, I am adding a request to the Wiki Maintenance page, to install the CheckUser extension. I want to use that to fight the spammers. I looked at the extension, I can load that, no problem...but if I understand it correctly it does not help identifying already created users. The extension is no help in identifying new spammers, but it's a great help in chasing them, by complaining to the ISP. I have all the bookmarks for that, from my time as a ML moderator. It's also helpful in identifying multiple accounts for the same user (which is okay, unless they're all spammers!). Did you have a look at the new create account page, on wikitest, that is not easy for the average spammer to bypass. It certainly looks ferocious! I hope it works. /tj/ jan I. /tj/
Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test
Hi Jan, I have done some more basic testing and found no more errors. I have: * Insert a link. * Make a page. * Write with headings, numbered lists, character formatting. * Upload a picture and link to it. I'm very glad, that you are making our Wiki work again, and I'm locking forward, when it becomes active. Kind regards Regina janI schrieb: Finally I got mwiki upgraded and ready for test. version 1.20.2 of mediawiki, with AOO skin and a copy of the database is available for testing: wikitest.openoffice.org It will prompt for a user/password (htaccess), which is: wikitest/wikitest (just used so nobody thinks it is a production wiki). There are several changes against to current wiki, here are some of the important ones: - New editor (I ended up using the standard editor) - many extensions are now part of the core (it requires that especially creative user pages needs testing) - special gatcha for create account, actually it is just a reuse of an extension that was already loaded I have done a run and go test, but we need it tested a lot more before it goes into production. My proposal is to leave wikitest running until 31/12/2012, and anybody who finds a problem (or a feature request) please make a bugzilla report, that makes it easier to control. Beginning january and once all severe bugzilla bugs for wikitest has been solved, I will ask for a vote on replacing the current wiki. have a nice time testing. Jan I
Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test
On 12/22/2012 17:04, janI wrote: I will pick a time after breakfast on a sunday :-) I have installed checkUser. In order to activate it for you, you need to go to Special:UserRights and add the CheckUser group to your account, then you can see it in the normal specialPages. HOWEVER, it reports 127.0.0.2 for all users, because of ATS. Please have a look at it, and if I am right and it is not efficient I would like to deinstall it. have a nice day. Jan I. Yes, you are right; the IP address of 127:0:0:2 is not helpful; you can deinstall CheckUser. I checked my own user name, and got an earlier (from 12-01), real IP address. I assume that you hadn't installed ATS yet. What I really want is email addresses. I was sure there was supposed to be a new way to retrieve those, but maybe I was wrong. I'll do some more searching on WikiMedia. /tj/ On 22 December 2012 22:55, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/22/2012 16:33, janI wrote: We have had a problem with math rendering, this has now been resolved and verified. That is the last open bugzilla issue, in parallel infra have helped me secure all changes in the infra svn, so basically we are ready to upgrade the production system. In order to upgrade production I need a window of approx. 12 hours, where the wiki is down. Are there anybody who have opinions on when it should be done (or when not) ? Looking at the time I have available, it can be done before 31/12/2012 or beginning january 2013. jan I. I would suggest a Sunday, or a Saturday, as fairly low-usage days. Any time of day will be inconvenient for some people, so pick a convenient time for you! :-) /tj/ On 21 December 2012 00:42, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote: On 12/20/2012 16:44, janI wrote: Can anybody give me a link to a couple of pages with intensive math ?? I have math running in my local version, when I search for math I get 1 hit, and that page displays ok. thx in advance jan http://wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/** Reference/Math_commandshttp:/**/wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/** Documentation/Reference/Math_**commandshttp://wikitest.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Reference/Math_commands has many but very simple math commands. All seem to be working fine. My user page has one example. It's working fine. With the removal of the F*CK editor, the preview before first edit preference now works fine. Very glad to have that back. /tj/
Re: [Release candicate] mwiki, test
THANKS for the testing and the kind words. I simply try to get the infrastructure to work as efficient as possible so that you all can use more time making AOO better than it already is !! @TJ: It is easy for me to provide you on a regular basis with a list of users/email, and that does not put a load on the system like every extension: jan I. On 22 December 2012 23:57, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Jan, I have done some more basic testing and found no more errors. I have: * Insert a link. * Make a page. * Write with headings, numbered lists, character formatting. * Upload a picture and link to it. I'm very glad, that you are making our Wiki work again, and I'm locking forward, when it becomes active. Kind regards Regina janI schrieb: Finally I got mwiki upgraded and ready for test. version 1.20.2 of mediawiki, with AOO skin and a copy of the database is available for testing: wikitest.openoffice.org It will prompt for a user/password (htaccess), which is: wikitest/wikitest (just used so nobody thinks it is a production wiki). There are several changes against to current wiki, here are some of the important ones: - New editor (I ended up using the standard editor) - many extensions are now part of the core (it requires that especially creative user pages needs testing) - special gatcha for create account, actually it is just a reuse of an extension that was already loaded I have done a run and go test, but we need it tested a lot more before it goes into production. My proposal is to leave wikitest running until 31/12/2012, and anybody who finds a problem (or a feature request) please make a bugzilla report, that makes it easier to control. Beginning january and once all severe bugzilla bugs for wikitest has been solved, I will ask for a vote on replacing the current wiki. have a nice time testing. Jan I
[DISCUSS] Recourse for Sites Which Do Not Acknowledge Trademarks
One of the ways that sites that offer downloads of Apache OpenOffice (or OpenOffice.org) often do is: (1) Don't acknowledge that the trademarks are the Apache Software Foundation's. (2) Make use of the project's and ASF's resources to offer free support and other downloads. They simply hide as legitimate sites. One example is openoffice.us.com. One thing that we can do to get in the way of this is keep a list of these domains and when web requests are referred from them we can take users to a warning page where we can explain the situation, help users get to legitimate resources and let these providers know how to properly reference trademarks and make their offering distinct from Apache OpenOffice. Perhaps there is something that can be done with Google to have them downgrade search terms for OpenOffice for specific URLs. Regards, Dave
Re: [DISCUSS] Recourse for Sites Which Do Not Acknowledge Trademarks
On 23 December 2012 00:46, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: One of the ways that sites that offer downloads of Apache OpenOffice (or OpenOffice.org) often do is: (1) Don't acknowledge that the trademarks are the Apache Software Foundation's. (2) Make use of the project's and ASF's resources to offer free support and other downloads. They simply hide as legitimate sites. One example is openoffice.us.com. One thing that we can do to get in the way of this is keep a list of these domains and when web requests are referred from them we can take users to a warning page where we can explain the situation, help users get to legitimate resources and let these providers know how to properly reference trademarks and make their offering distinct from Apache OpenOffice. I like this idea of a warning page it is simple and (I think) effective. However they can always take the files and host them on their own server. Perhaps there is something that can be done with Google to have them downgrade search terms for OpenOffice for specific URLs. That seems more complex to me, they have the right to the domainname and as long as ASF does not take them to court, it is hard to proof that they do something really wrong. Regards, Dave
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
Very good idea! Merry Christmas everyone Peter On 12/22/2012 7:16 PM, janI wrote: I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain what I mean. The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value. A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal: - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products can only dream to go: - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth. - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented product. I could go on. I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess after all we are OPEN office. I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont judge it on that. It is simply a thought out of the box, and hopefully it can trigger some ideas. You can see my proposal here: http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world. Jan I. On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly... Have a good afternoon... On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Michael, this (https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/** content/images/AOO_logos/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/ ) might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by using the other wing. Looking forward to your suggestions :) Sincerely, Armin On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hello Armin, I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo but desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case where they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on their flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg file I sent yesterday. All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something on updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with something tangible during the next few hours. Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that? Thanks for the suggestions. On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about: - only slightly changing the AOO logo - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and the color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle, making the upper half slightly lighter than the lower one). Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-) HTH! Sincerely, Armin On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator. Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a logo proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache OpenOffice Google+ community but I went back to the drawing board and created a second version of the logo that both pays respect to the previous Apache OpenOffice orb, but modernizes the look of the overall logo by adding 4 colored squares that represent the four corners of our office suite (Writer, Calc, Impress, and Base) and utilizing a streamlined font. Without further introductions, below I present my official submission for the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. This first logo, is the proposed official logo for the project that would be used for our webpage and some other materials. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lETVSrwcgJc/**UNJpH6G1sxI/** ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/AOO%25204%2520LOGO%2520v2-5% 2520Small%2520copy.jpghttps:/**/lh3.googleusercontent.com/-** lETVSrwcgJc/UNJpH6G1sxI/**ABg/JnpNrXdRgUo/s653/**
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
RGB, I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the open blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open world. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain what I mean. The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value. A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal: - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products can only dream to go: - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth. - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented product. I could go on. I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess after all we are OPEN office. +1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we are trying to go beyond every limit ;) I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont judge it on that. It is simply a thought out of the box, and hopefully it can trigger some ideas. You can see my proposal here: http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header, but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of other situations where a big logo is needed. Regards Ricardo Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world. Jan I. On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly... Have a good afternoon... On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Michael, this ( https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/** content/images/AOO_logos/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/ ) might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by using the other wing. Looking forward to your suggestions :) Sincerely, Armin On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hello Armin, I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo but desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case where they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on their flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg file I sent yesterday. All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something on updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with something tangible during the next few hours. Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that? Thanks for the suggestions. On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about: - only slightly changing the AOO logo - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and the color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle, making the upper half slightly lighter than the lower one). Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-) HTH! Sincerely, Armin On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator. Now the reason on why I am writing this email is to formally submit a logo proposal for the next version of the Apache OpenOffice 4.X logo. Previously, I submitted an initial logo on the Apache
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
I think I've come up with something that is simplistic on the eye but beautiful an lively. Still working on it but stay tuned. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: RGB, I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the open blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open world. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain what I mean. The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value. A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal: - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products can only dream to go: - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth. - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented product. I could go on. I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess after all we are OPEN office. +1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we are trying to go beyond every limit ;) I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont judge it on that. It is simply a thought out of the box, and hopefully it can trigger some ideas. You can see my proposal here: http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header, but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of other situations where a big logo is needed. Regards Ricardo Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world. Jan I. On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly... Have a good afternoon... On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Michael, this ( https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/** content/images/AOO_logos/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/ ) might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by using the other wing. Looking forward to your suggestions :) Sincerely, Armin On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hello Armin, I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo but desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case where they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on their flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg file I sent yesterday. All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something on updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with something tangible during the next few hours. Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that? Thanks for the suggestions. On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about: - only slightly changing the AOO logo - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and the color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle, making the upper half slightly lighter than the lower one). Just as on iOS devices. Maybe looking nice ;-) Will look modern :-) HTH! Sincerely, Armin On 20.12.2012 02:33, Michael Acevedo wrote: Greetings to the AOO Team! Hello, after a few months of inactivity I've decided to get back in touch with the AOO community. First, congratulations to the AOO team on a successful graduation into a top-level Apache project from the Apache Incubator.
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
Michael, Great work. Design is very iterative. Keep pushing! Using the design explorations is a great way to stimulate a conversation which can help us better understand the requirements. Perhaps we could harvest the criteria for success in the thread and capture in the wiki Then we can make the design review process less subjective by having people review design explorations relative to stated goals. Also, the mailing list is tough place to review designs, can you post the design explorations to the AOO UX wiki? Regards, Kevin On Dec 23, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: I think I've come up with something that is simplistic on the eye but beautiful an lively. Still working on it but stay tuned. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: RGB, I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the open blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open world. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain what I mean. The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value. A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal: - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products can only dream to go: - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth. - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented product. I could go on. I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess after all we are OPEN office. +1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we are trying to go beyond every limit ;) I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont judge it on that. It is simply a thought out of the box, and hopefully it can trigger some ideas. You can see my proposal here: http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header, but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of other situations where a big logo is needed. Regards Ricardo Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world. Jan I. On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly... Have a good afternoon... On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Michael, this ( https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/** content/images/AOO_logos/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/ ) might help, these are the checked-in logos. You can access it with a browser. Look at the SVG directory there; I am not sure if the complete gulls will be extractable; I fear they are 'cut', but maybe repaired by using the other wing. Looking forward to your suggestions :) Sincerely, Armin On 21.12.2012 17:48, Michael Acevedo wrote: Hello Armin, I was tempted to make a rounded corner marquee for the current logo but desisted of the idea after the vereditct of the Apple v. Samsung case where they were able to sue Samsung on using rounded corners for apps on their flavor of android. Still I find the rounded corners tempting and is actually reflected on the second logo that appeared on the last jpeg file I sent yesterday. All of these are good suggestions and I am now thinking of something on updating the orb, maybe keeping the basic shape of the logo which is a circle. I am rambbling here but I might be able to come up with something tangible during the next few hours. Now the only thing I would need to find is an EPS or PSD high-res version of the AOO gulls. Where can I find that? Thanks for the suggestions. On Friday, December 21, 2012, Armin Le Grand wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for investigating here. While I like the original orb and the colored rects seem to lead to windows trademark stuff, what about: - only slightly changing the AOO logo - replacing the orb with a shape also very popular today - keeping the color, keeping the seagulls ...but as shape, take the now famous 'app' form - a rounded rectangle instead of the orb, using exactly the dimensions of app logos, and the color blending of app logos (they use some 'bow' on the middle, making the upper half slightly lighter than the lower one). Just as on
Re: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4 logo proposals...
Greetings Kevin, I would not mind posting the logos to that AOO UX wiki. Thing is I don't know where it is or whether it is on the cwiki or mwiki (if it is on the latter, I need to request an account). Let me know. On Saturday, December 22, 2012, Kevin Grignon wrote: Michael, Great work. Design is very iterative. Keep pushing! Using the design explorations is a great way to stimulate a conversation which can help us better understand the requirements. Perhaps we could harvest the criteria for success in the thread and capture in the wiki Then we can make the design review process less subjective by having people review design explorations relative to stated goals. Also, the mailing list is tough place to review designs, can you post the design explorations to the AOO UX wiki? Regards, Kevin On Dec 23, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: I think I've come up with something that is simplistic on the eye but beautiful an lively. Still working on it but stay tuned. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: RGB, I see the ring as something different. The blue to me represents the open blue sky, and the ring around it as a frame to an opening of an open world. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 8:16 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/22 janI j...@apache.org I am no designer, but I have tried to make a suggestion to better explain what I mean. The current proposals all have squares / circles etc. and apart from the original similarity with windows8 that has a special signal value. A surface (square/circle etc) especially with a border, signal: - limitation or positive a product that fullfills a single purpose - closeness or positive a product the specialize in one function AOO is in my mind much more, we are open at levels where normal products can only dream to go: - AOO is used in nearly every corner of the earth. - AOO is open for translation to no matter how small a language group - AOO is open for developers who want to hack their own specialized versions - AOO is open for repackaging supplying the core of a wider extented product. I could go on. I think it is important that our logo signals this freedom and openess after all we are OPEN office. +1. The ring around the orb give the idea of boundaries, limits, and we are trying to go beyond every limit ;) I know my design is not professional, it is NOT meant to be so please dont judge it on that. It is simply a thought out of the box, and hopefully it can trigger some ideas. You can see my proposal here: http://people.apache.org/~jani/aoo.png I like the idea. No sure if it fits well on a page header, but definitely is a good idea for announcements, t-shirts and a lot of other situations where a big logo is needed. Regards Ricardo Have a nice christmas, whereever you are in the world. Jan I. On 21 December 2012 20:56, Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the links with logos Armin, I will examine them shortly... Have a good afternoon... On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote: Hi Michael, this ( https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/** content/images/AOO_logos/ https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/ -- Best, Michael
Fw: [DISCUSS] Recourse for Sites Which Do Not Acknowledge Trademarks
Hi, I think kids need to be educated and re educated and educated ... on what is trademark and what they can use and develop and make it a part of their livelihood honestly. And the bottom lines are - do they have to pay somebody - If they do I think they can understand a straightforward yes or no. And maybe's too. This unfortunately has not been so transparent. I see that the link at us site leads to a common site for genuine downloads. After reading this post by dave do I have to inform my contacts to be waey of the US site. Sorry I cannot - The forum and the community there has been immensely useful building up on the concepts of using our machines. And has there been brilliant solutions contributed by users! With the advent of powerful mobile computing - I would not be surprised and even expect independentt stand alone - yet modules such as a spreadsheet, text, pictures processing, sound, and who knows even smell and chemistry (blood types) and wind monitoring and computing. Office software has been great that it offered a one source to be able to do a number of things. But very high efficiency is achieved if use it along with components that do a better job/or are more convenirnt. For example Gimp is sometimes easier for pictures. And if you want to OCR the text Tesseract is good. And this is patching up. I think there is need to try to patch up . Anyway since the world has not ended and even if it has Best wishes, Merry Christamas, Happy 2013 Namaste Shalom. ...salam ...keep frowning - (that brings out smiles) dave2w...@comcast.net To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; market...@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 5:16 AM Subject: [DISCUSS] Recourse for Sites Which Do Not Acknowledge Trademarks One of the ways that sites that offer downloads of Apache OpenOffice (or OpenOffice.org) often do is:(1) Don't acknowledge that the trademarks are the Apache Software Foundation's.(2) Make use of the project's and ASF's resources to offer free support and other downloads.They simply hide as legitimate sites. One example is openoffice.us.com.One thing that we can do to get in the way of this is keep a list of these domains and when web requests are referred from them we can take users to a warning page where we can explain the situation, help users get to legitimate resources and let these providers know how to properly reference trademarks and make their offering distinct from Apache OpenOffice.Perhaps there is something that can be done with Google to have them downgrade search terms for OpenOffice for specific URLs.Regards,Dave