Re: New record download day
On 09/10/2013 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: Is there any chance to improve options of getting data about downloads? For example, I want to know (for example) how much copies were downloaded for AOO 4.0.1 Serbian pack , in some (from - to) period? Rob's scripts use some additional filtering meant, for example, to count only the main installations and not language packs. But you can play with the statistics at http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.1/stats/timeline (change file allows you to select a specific directory, the map has downloads by geographical area, or by Internet Countries, i.e., top-level domains such as .de, .fr...) Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Help Needed: Redo the /porting/mac page
On 08.10.2013 22:33, Andrea Pescetti wrote: janI wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ ... So my first question is - what does a MAC page have to do here. MAC is a supported platform, not third party ? - why does the porting page not have a link to the mac page ? The Mac version used to be a port (you can still find outdated information around, with the name Aqua Port), but it has been a fully supported version since 3.0.0 or around. Yes, OOo 3.0 was our first version with Mac as fully supported platform. So the porting page does not link to it since it's not a port. And the URL is... well, historical, but I wouldn't oppose to move it outside porting/ if we can setup redirects that won't break search engines. +1 for just redirecting to our download page. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New record download day
On 09.10.2013 01:32, Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: Is there any chance to improve options of getting data about downloads? For example, I want to know (for example) how much copies were downloaded for AOO 4.0.1 Serbian pack , in some (from - to) period? And how meny downloads (Serbian pack) are done from Serbia and other countries. Serbian nation lives in several countries, so analysing of this downloads data can be more accurate for me. It would be great to have somehow advance options from data analysing stored on AOO web page. Please see the statistics on the right of [1] or the location specific results in [2]. [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.1/binaries/sr/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.1/binaries/sr/Apache_OpenOffice_4.0.1_Win_x86_install_sr.exe/stats/map One criteria for inuput would be version of AOO or all version. Next filter for data analysing would be for which language pack or all packeges Next: for which platform or for all platforms Next: date (from - to); for better and faster entering of this criterion, it needs to be available release date for every version of AOO Next option: from where are downloads done (option for selecting a particular country; or option for all countries - in that case we will get list of countries and number of downloads for that count ) If we have this it means to have liberty to get all sort of data analysing about downloads in any time for all of us. Also, why are not automatically processed the current way of presenting data that is now appearing on the AOO site (about downloads) every week, it would be easier and for person who now has to prepare and publish this data manually You might want to check out SourceForge's REST API [3] to get such data [3] http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Download%20Stats%20API/ Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Opensource and security
Hi all, A little off topic perhaps, for this list, but perhaps also a frequent question to which it could be nice to have some answers. An opensource sofware has the advantage, in security terms, to grant that there are no spyware in it, that's OK. But is there no danger, as the code is public, to facilitate the creation of virus. It's always a problem for me to answer to this kind of question, it's unclear for me. So, If somebody could bring some arguments understandable for end users about this issue, It would be great. The same could be applicable to the ODF, what are the advantages, in terms of security, to work with an open format. Many thanks A+ -- gw
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Re: Help Needed: Redo the /porting/mac page
On 10/9/13 8:45 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: On 08.10.2013 22:33, Andrea Pescetti wrote: janI wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ ... So my first question is - what does a MAC page have to do here. MAC is a supported platform, not third party ? - why does the porting page not have a link to the mac page ? The Mac version used to be a port (you can still find outdated information around, with the name Aqua Port), but it has been a fully supported version since 3.0.0 or around. Yes, OOo 3.0 was our first version with Mac as fully supported platform. So the porting page does not link to it since it's not a port. And the URL is... well, historical, but I wouldn't oppose to move it outside porting/ if we can setup redirects that won't break search engines. +1 for just redirecting to our download page. a redirect will work but who will miss the page? We should be more open to delete outdated content and simply drop it. We have too many outdated pages that help nobody and are more confusing than useful. Juergen Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Source tree and multiple configs.
On 10/8/13 7:09 PM, janI wrote: On 8 October 2013 17:55, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/7/13 9:54 PM, janI wrote: Hi. Has anyone been successfull in having 1 source tree and multiple configs ? I now have: - windows7 - windows7 debug - ubuntu 12.04 - ubuntu 12.04 debug - centOS (experimental) And I am getting seriously tired of having to synchronize the source files everytime I cross compile. Is it not possible to run ./configure so that I can have everything in 1 tree, meaning when I change a source, its available to all platforms ? I haven't tried it for a long time but I assume it worked if you the configure again and again on the different platforms and use the generated env scripts (e.g. MacOSXX86Env.Set.sh, ...). On Linux you potentially run into a name conflict but you can copy the scripts before calling configure on the next Linux platform. Just try it out. I did try it, that why I ask others :-) the .sh files is not the biggest problem, unxlngx6.pro directory is my biggest problem because configure/bootstrap generates several files, which seems to want to be in unxlngx6.pro. I think I miss a configure switch to set the object directory. yes that seems to be a real problem on Linux. Sharing between Linux systems seems to be not possible at the moment. unxlngx6 or unxlngi6 is the only difference between 32 and 64 bit. You can play with OUTPATH=unxmacxi INPATH=unxmacxi.pro in the env script and change it for your different linux systems and adapt the generated dirs as well. But I assume that it is not easy possible because of many hard coded usages all over the build scripts and config files. Juergen rgds jan I. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Edwardian Script in your Text Doc
On 06.10.2013 06:08, cheryl tonkin wrote: Hi there, I have used Open Office now for years but on my latest download/update I found that EDWARDIAN SCRIPT was no longer available. I am not aware that OpenOffice was every shipped with an edwardian script font (but I could be wrong). However, if you search the internet for edwardian script, then you should be able to find freely available fonts. -Andre Can you please place it back in as I use it with my presentation certificates. Thanks C - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Help Needed: Redo the /porting/mac page
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/9/13 8:45 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: On 08.10.2013 22:33, Andrea Pescetti wrote: janI wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ ... So my first question is - what does a MAC page have to do here. MAC is a supported platform, not third party ? - why does the porting page not have a link to the mac page ? The Mac version used to be a port (you can still find outdated information around, with the name Aqua Port), but it has been a fully supported version since 3.0.0 or around. Yes, OOo 3.0 was our first version with Mac as fully supported platform. So the porting page does not link to it since it's not a port. And the URL is... well, historical, but I wouldn't oppose to move it outside porting/ if we can setup redirects that won't break search engines. +1 for just redirecting to our download page. a redirect will work but who will miss the page? We should be more open to delete outdated content and simply drop it. We have too many outdated pages that help nobody and are more confusing than useful. The point is when a user queries Google for terms like OpenOffice for Mac that is the #1 page on the results list. Users do this and visit that page around 4000 times per day. If we merely deleted that page then these 4000 people would get a 404 error. After a period of time, probably a few weeks, Google would update their index and another page would be the #1 search result and get that traffic. The #2 link is a CNet page, so the traffic would probably go there and not to our website. If we redirect to a generic page, like our home page, then we get no 404 error. But as Google updates its index it would see that the redirected page is not really relevant to the query OpenOffice for Mac and would reorder its results so the traffic would still point to CNet. The only way to preserve this traffic is to have a relevant page about OpenOffice for Mac. It doesn't need to be complicated. But it needs to have enough discussion about using OpenOffice on the Mac to look relevant to Google and Bing. I suggested such a page in the past, even outlined it, but no Mac volunteers ever completed it: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/product/mac.mdtext Regards, -Rob Juergen Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Opensource and security
Hi Guy, On 09.10.2013 09:32, Guy Waterval wrote: A little off topic perhaps, for this list, but perhaps also a frequent question to which it could be nice to have some answers. An opensource sofware has the advantage, in security terms, to grant that there are no spyware in it, that's OK. But is there no danger, as the code is public, to facilitate the creation of virus. It's always a problem for me to answer to this kind of question, it's unclear for me. So, If somebody could bring some arguments understandable for end users about this issue, It would be great. The are some good arguments in the Wikipedia article on that topic [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software_security Another discussion-worthy point is that Security by Obscurity [2] software is considered not to be not much safer than their binary-only counterparts: System security should not depend on the secrecy of the implementation or its components. [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_by_obscurity The same could be applicable to the ODF, what are the advantages, in terms of security, to work with an open format. Trust is good, control/validation is better: An open format allows inspection and validation. Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: New record download day
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Vladislav Stevanovic stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any chance to improve options of getting data about downloads? For example, I want to know (for example) how much copies were downloaded for AOO 4.0.1 Serbian pack , in some (from - to) period? And how meny downloads (Serbian pack) are done from Serbia and other countries. Serbian nation lives in several countries, so analysing of this downloads data can be more accurate for me. It would be great to have somehow advance options from data analysing stored on AOO web page. There is some more information on these statistics here: http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html The source of the raw data is SourceForge which has a public REST API that we can query. For each of our files, or directories, we can get information like: 1) How many downloads on a given date 2) From what countries did the downloads come from 3) On what platforms did the download Also, the name of the download file tells us the AOO version, the language and platform. To automate the collection of statistics I wrote some python scripts, which you can find here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/ The main one is here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/detail-by-day.py That gets the detailed statistics for a range of dates for a list of download files. We have another script that looks at the top countries for downloading a given file: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/aoo-stats/countries.py That might be a good way to get the country analysis you wanted. One criteria for inuput would be version of AOO or all version. Next filter for data analysing would be for which language pack or all packeges Next: for which platform or for all platforms Next: date (from - to); for better and faster entering of this criterion, it needs to be available release date for every version of AOO Next option: from where are downloads done (option for selecting a particular country; or option for all countries - in that case we will get list of countries and number of downloads for that count ) If we have this it means to have liberty to get all sort of data analysing about downloads in any time for all of us. Also, why are not automatically processed the current way of presenting data that is now appearing on the AOO site (about downloads) every week, it would be easier and for person who now has to prepare and publish this data manually The analysis is automated, but it is currently done off-line and then results uploaded. -Rob Regards, Wlada 2013/10/8 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org Yesterday we saw 233,070 downloads of Apache OpenOffice. This broke the previous one-day download record of 213,331 set on July 29th, 2013. -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Sidebar for Developers
On 03.10.2013 11:37, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Andre Fischer [mailto:awf@gmail.com] It took a long time but here is my example, a simple search for writer. That's OK. I just came back from my vacation and am now catching up on emails. Can you please help me now? I will try. Can you tell me, what the extension does and how you want it to work and look? The extension function is very simple, there is a dialog with two text fields to enter a search string and a replacement text, and two buttons to start searching or replacing. The extension is for writer. So not much function but it is indeed primarily an example of integration in the sidebar This dialogue should now be implemented, he works as a sidebar, so: 2 text fields for entering 4 Label Fields 2 buttons to launch two Basic Macros I was somewhat but not entirely successful in turning your BASIC script into a sidebar panel. I have created an Eclipse project of the sidebar panel [1]. Run the 'oxt' target of the Ant build file to create the file SidebarBasicPanelDemo.oxt in the dist/ directory. Install this extension in a 4.* OpenOffice and restart. Now you should see in the sidebar tab bar a new entry with a gear icon. Click on it to swtich to the demo panel. What works is that the dialog is displayed as expected. Callbacks into the BASIC script work also. What does not work is that the BASIC script can not access the dialog for eg retrieval of the search strings. The reason for that is that the dialog is not created from the script in the 'Start_dialog' function but on the Java side of the implementation. I tried to call from Java into BASIC with the dialog object. The call works, but I did not get the public BASIC variable 'ts_dialog' to work. When you click on the 'Suche Nächsten' button then the ts_dialog value is empty again. But maybe this is a good thing, because every document has its own side bar and its own BASIC dialog. Using a single global variable to hold the dialog would not work. As I do not know OpenOffice BASIC well enough to know if and how object orientation works, I did not try to fix this. I also do not know how to change the event callbacks to pass parameters to the BASIC script. Without parameters, your BASIC script does not know from which instance of the dialog it has been called and thus could not retrieve the search string, even if it could access the dialogs. Using the BASIC dialog but do the implementation in Java would be much easier and more reliable. Best regards, Andre [1] http://people.apache.org/~af/SidebarBasicDemo.zip Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Sidebar for Developers
On 09.10.2013 14:42, Andre Fischer wrote: On 03.10.2013 11:37, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Andre Fischer [mailto:awf@gmail.com] It took a long time but here is my example, a simple search for writer. That's OK. I just came back from my vacation and am now catching up on emails. Can you please help me now? I will try. Can you tell me, what the extension does and how you want it to work and look? The extension function is very simple, there is a dialog with two text fields to enter a search string and a replacement text, and two buttons to start searching or replacing. The extension is for writer. So not much function but it is indeed primarily an example of integration in the sidebar This dialogue should now be implemented, he works as a sidebar, so: 2 text fields for entering 4 Label Fields 2 buttons to launch two Basic Macros I was somewhat but not entirely successful in turning your BASIC script into a sidebar panel. I have created an Eclipse project of the sidebar panel [1]. Run the 'oxt' target of the Ant build file to create the file SidebarBasicPanelDemo.oxt in the dist/ directory. Install this extension in a 4.* OpenOffice and restart. Now you should see in the sidebar tab bar a new entry with a gear icon. Click on it to swtich to the demo panel. What works is that the dialog is displayed as expected. Callbacks into the BASIC script work also. What does not work is that the BASIC script can not access the dialog for eg retrieval of the search strings. The reason for that is that the dialog is not created from the script in the 'Start_dialog' function but on the Java side of the implementation. I tried to call from Java into BASIC with the dialog object. The call works, but I did not get the public BASIC variable 'ts_dialog' to work. When you click on the 'Suche Nächsten' button then the ts_dialog value is empty again. But maybe this is a good thing, because every document has its own side bar and its own BASIC dialog. Using a single global variable to hold the dialog would not work. As I do not know OpenOffice BASIC well enough to know if and how object orientation works, I did not try to fix this. I also do not know how to change the event callbacks to pass parameters to the BASIC script. Without parameters, your BASIC script does not know from which instance of the dialog it has been called and thus could not retrieve the search string, even if it could access the dialogs. Using the BASIC dialog but do the implementation in Java would be much easier and more reliable. Best regards, Andre [1] http://people.apache.org/~af/SidebarBasicDemo.zip Very interesting! Would it be possible for you use e.g. BeanShell, JavaScript, Pyhton, instead of AOO Basic to fetch the values in the Basic dialog one way or another? If so, could you please create such a sidebar extension too, which could serve as a great template for script coders to take advantage of the new sidebar feature? ---rony - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Sidebar for Developers
Thank you so much andre, I will see if we can use this! mike On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Andre Fischer awf@gmail.com wrote: On 03.10.2013 11:37, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Andre Fischer [mailto:awf@gmail.com] It took a long time but here is my example, a simple search for writer. That's OK. I just came back from my vacation and am now catching up on emails. Can you please help me now? I will try. Can you tell me, what the extension does and how you want it to work and look? The extension function is very simple, there is a dialog with two text fields to enter a search string and a replacement text, and two buttons to start searching or replacing. The extension is for writer. So not much function but it is indeed primarily an example of integration in the sidebar This dialogue should now be implemented, he works as a sidebar, so: 2 text fields for entering 4 Label Fields 2 buttons to launch two Basic Macros I was somewhat but not entirely successful in turning your BASIC script into a sidebar panel. I have created an Eclipse project of the sidebar panel [1]. Run the 'oxt' target of the Ant build file to create the file SidebarBasicPanelDemo.oxt in the dist/ directory. Install this extension in a 4.* OpenOffice and restart. Now you should see in the sidebar tab bar a new entry with a gear icon. Click on it to swtich to the demo panel. What works is that the dialog is displayed as expected. Callbacks into the BASIC script work also. What does not work is that the BASIC script can not access the dialog for eg retrieval of the search strings. The reason for that is that the dialog is not created from the script in the 'Start_dialog' function but on the Java side of the implementation. I tried to call from Java into BASIC with the dialog object. The call works, but I did not get the public BASIC variable 'ts_dialog' to work. When you click on the 'Suche Nächsten' button then the ts_dialog value is empty again. But maybe this is a good thing, because every document has its own side bar and its own BASIC dialog. Using a single global variable to hold the dialog would not work. As I do not know OpenOffice BASIC well enough to know if and how object orientation works, I did not try to fix this. I also do not know how to change the event callbacks to pass parameters to the BASIC script. Without parameters, your BASIC script does not know from which instance of the dialog it has been called and thus could not retrieve the search string, even if it could access the dialogs. Using the BASIC dialog but do the implementation in Java would be much easier and more reliable. Best regards, Andre [1] http://people.apache.org/~af/SidebarBasicDemo.zip Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3 Free Software Foundation Europe Fellow http://fsfe.org/support/?h4ck3rm1k3 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: CMS diff: Troškovi primene i Apache licenca
Thanks for the patch. I applied it. Please check to make sure the page is correct. -Rob 2013/10/8 Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada anonym...@apache.org: Clone URL (Committers only): https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=anonymous;action=diff;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org/sr-test%2Fwhy%2Fwhy_compliance.mdtext Stevanovic Vladislav - Wlada Index: trunk/content/sr-test/why/why_compliance.mdtext === --- trunk/content/sr-test/why/why_compliance.mdtext (revision 1530467) +++ trunk/content/sr-test/why/why_compliance.mdtext (working copy) @@ -18,55 +18,34 @@ ##Troškovi primene softverske licence -Stražar softverske industrije, Poslovni softverski savez (Business Software Alliance - BSA), [nude novčane nagrade][1] nezadovljnim radnicima koji diskretno prijave njihove poslodavce (ili bivše poslodavce) za softversku pirateriju. - -Oni nazivaju ovu kampanju: Ocinkaj svog šefa! Nagrade mogu da se kreću do jednog miliona dolara. +Poslovni softverski savez (Business Software Alliance - BSA), dobrovoljno poslovno udruženje koji nadgleda softversku industriju, [nudi novčane nagrade][1] nezadovoljnim radnicima koji diskretno prijave svoje poslodavce (ili bivše poslodavce) za softversku pirateriju. -Kao što već verovatno znate, vi ne posedujete sopstveni softver na isti način kao što posedujete stolicu ili sto. Umesto toga, imate od izdavača licencu za softver, i ta licenca vam daje -dozvolu za korišćenje softvera, ali samo pod uslovima određeni licencom. Ovi uslovi obično govore koliko korisnika ili računara može pristupiti softveru. Uslovi mogu čak uključiti -klauzulu koja omogućava prodavcu da revidira vaše korišćenje u okviru softvera. +Oni nazivaju ovu kampanju: Ocinkaj svog šefa! Nagrade mogu da se kreću do jednog miliona dolara. -Da bi se izbegli troškovi i kazne BSA revizije, organizacije sve više usvajaju praksu Upravljanje softverskom imovinom (Softver Asset Management – SAM ) da obezbede da je njihovo komercijalno korišćenje -softvera u skladu sa važećim licencama. Ove prakse obično uključuju edukaciju zaposlenih uz kupovinu softvera za praćenje licenci i korišćenje softvera u okviru -organizacija. +Kao što već verovatno znate, vi ne posedujete kupljene računarske aplikacije na isti način kao što posedujete stolicu ili sto. Umesto toga, imate od izdavača licencu za softver, i ta licenca vam daje dozvolu za korišćenje softvera, ali samo pod uslovima određenim licencom. Ovi uslovi obično govore na koliko računara možete instalirati taj program, ili koliko korisnika može pristupiti tom softveru. Uslovi mogu čak uključiti odrednice koje omogućavaju proizvođaču da promeni način na koji možete koristiti kupljenu programsku aplikaciju. -Troškovi u kombinaciji ovih SAM praksi su troškovi primene za korišćenje komercijalnog softvera. To je trošak koji vašu organizaciju ne pravi produktivnijom, ne -koristi vašim kupcima i ništa ne doprinosi krajnjem rezultatu. To je isključivo za smanjenje rizika. Uz licencu, održavanje i troškove obučavanja, to je jedan od troškova korišćenja -komercijalnog softvera. +Da bi se izbegli troškovi i kazne BSA kontrole, organizacije sve više u svoje poslovanje uvode postupke upravljanja softverskom imovinom (Softver Asset Management – SAM ) da bi obezbedili komercijalno korišćenje softvera u skladu sa važećim licencama. Ovi postupci obično uključuju odgovarajuće obrazovanje zaposlenih uz dodatnu kupovinu programskih paketa za praćenje licenci i korišćenje softvera u okviru organizacija. + +Troškovi u kombinaciji ovih SAM postupaka spadaju u troškovi primene korišćenja komercijalnog softvera. To je trošak koji vašu organizaciju ne čini produktivnijom, ne koristi vašim korisnicima i partnerima, i ništa ne doprinosi krajnjem rezultatu - taj trošak vezan je isključivo za smanjenje vašeg pravno-poslovnog rizika. Uz samu licencu, održavanje i troškove obučavanja, to je jedan od dodatnih troškova korišćenja komercijalnih programskih paketa. - ##Troškovi primene otvorenog koda -Za razliku od komercijalnih licenci softvera, softver otvorenog koda ima licence koje izričito dozvoljavaju besplatnu distribuciju. To smanjuje troškove primene za mnoge -organizacije, jer praćenje upotrebe aplikacije nije potrebno. +Za razliku od softvera sa komercijalnim licencama, softver otvorenog koda ima licence koje izričito dozvoljavaju besplatnu distribuciju i korišćenje. To smanjuje troškove primene za mnoge organizacije, jer praćenje upotrebe aplikacije nije potrebno. -Međutim, organizacije koje koriste softver sa otvorenim kodom, a takođe razvijaju i distribuiraju sopstveni vlasnički softver, mogu da se nađu u nevolji zbog virusne prirode (kopileft – eng. copyleft) -nekih licenci otvorenog koda. Ako jedan od vaših zaposlenih ili spoljnih saradnika nehotice umetne kopileft kod u vlasnički proizvod, onda može
Re: Suggestion
Hello, Several years ago, if I good remember, there was a proposition to integrate this one, but this project didn't survive. http://code.google.com/p/keynote-nf/ 2013/10/9 Muhammad Zafar Hussain mosi...@gmail.com Dear Sir, Develop a software like Microsoft OneNote, so a user can manage the notes in a notebook and starts using your product. Regards, -- Muhammad Zafar Hussain Karachi, Pakistan. Cellular +(92)-345-226-226-1 Email: mosi...@gmail.com Skype: xapharh Facebook.com/xaphar
Re: October Board Report
On 08/10/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2013+Oct ... Community support forums remain popular with users: on the English forum, the registered users figures reached 60,000 on Sept. 17th and the forum hit the 300 most users ever online count (last record was one year ago). Report integrated and sent, thank you. Andrea - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Help Needed: Redo the /porting/mac page
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/9/13 8:45 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: On 08.10.2013 22:33, Andrea Pescetti wrote: janI wrote: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/mac/ ... So my first question is - what does a MAC page have to do here. MAC is a supported platform, not third party ? - why does the porting page not have a link to the mac page ? The Mac version used to be a port (you can still find outdated information around, with the name Aqua Port), but it has been a fully supported version since 3.0.0 or around. Yes, OOo 3.0 was our first version with Mac as fully supported platform. So the porting page does not link to it since it's not a port. And the URL is... well, historical, but I wouldn't oppose to move it outside porting/ if we can setup redirects that won't break search engines. +1 for just redirecting to our download page. a redirect will work but who will miss the page? We should be more open to delete outdated content and simply drop it. We have too many outdated pages that help nobody and are more confusing than useful. The point is when a user queries Google for terms like OpenOffice for Mac that is the #1 page on the results list. Users do this and visit that page around 4000 times per day. If we merely deleted that page then these 4000 people would get a 404 error. After a period of time, probably a few weeks, Google would update their index and another page would be the #1 search result and get that traffic. The #2 link is a CNet page, so the traffic would probably go there and not to our website. If we redirect to a generic page, like our home page, then we get no 404 error. But as Google updates its index it would see that the redirected page is not really relevant to the query OpenOffice for Mac and would reorder its results so the traffic would still point to CNet. The only way to preserve this traffic is to have a relevant page about OpenOffice for Mac. It doesn't need to be complicated. But it needs to have enough discussion about using OpenOffice on the Mac to look relevant to Google and Bing. I suggested such a page in the past, even outlined it, but no Mac volunteers ever completed it: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/product/mac.mdtext Regards, -Rob I don't recall anything about this particular topic in the past but it seems your new information could be just popped into the /porting/mac index page with a nice little top note that says something like ... Macintosh is now part of the standard Apache OpenOffice product and not a separate port or words to that effect, subsititute your new content for the porting page, and direct folks to the download page. Would that work? Juergen Herbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't. -- Following the Equator, Mark Twain
Re: Reopening the Vietnamese Forum
Hi Guys, Well, the spam had been removed before it was locked, so that should not be a problem. The existing user accounts - those could be disabled, yes of course. So - I understand there is a new person to act as the admin and that is the reason for the re-opening, which I think is great BTW. I take it from the earlier email that the new admin still needed to setup their account on the en forum...or not, I don't know really - kind of a problem having me in this loop, as I have no internet access on a regular basis and as you can see am not able to get connected every day. Anyhow - I just jumped over there and logged in - yup my account still works - but imacat has all the same access rights. Which brings me to my account - honestly it is not a good idea to leave an admin account laying around unused like that - I had expected imacat to delete it. I'm saying that purely from a good practices stand point. Here we are though. I'll be on-line a few times this week and if this needs doing (delete old accounts, etc) certainly I'll help with that - afterwards, given my circumstances it does not make a lot of sense to leave the account laying around dormant, as I already said :). *laughing* just give me marching orders and I'll carry them out //drew On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3:47 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 7 October 2013 20:55, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Le 07/10/2013 19:22, janI a écrit : Before reopening, the user base should be cleaned (preferable deleted), and all spam pages should be removed. If this cleanup is not done before reopening the forum, all other forum run the risk of bad performance. I think that the spam was removed before closing the forum. So there is no problem reopening it. I am just making a recommendation, based on the database content, if the forum admins wants it opened fine by me. rgds jan I. Hagar --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Please Email Me the Word and PDF Formats User Guides for the Stated ProGrams
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, ab...@hushmail.com wrote: Apache OpenOffice user interface: a general description of the Apache OpenOffice user interface Formatting a document: describes the different options the users have to shape a document Find Replace: Apache OpenOffice has a powerful tool to find text and/or formatting Autocorrect options: An editing tool that permits to automate several substitution tasks like correcting misspelled words Supported file formats: Apache OpenOffice can read and write a large number of file formats Extensions: Adding more functionality to Apache OpenOffice General options: General configuration options that affect the whole suite CookBook: quick tips for specific tasks Writer guide: A complete guide for Writer, the word processor component. This link leads to an index Calc guide: A complete guide for Calc, the spreadsheet component. This link leads to an index Impress guide: A complete guide for Impress, the presentation component. This link leads to an index Draw guide: A complete guide for Draw, the vector drawing tool component. This link leads to an index Math guide: A complete guide for Math, the equation editor component that you can use in other components. This link leads to an index Base guide: A complete guide for Base, the database component. This link leads to an index Advanced topics: Regular expressions, programming macros, graphite font technology... Integrating components: A Chart inside your presentation? Inserting data from your bibliographic database on your text document? We do not currently have a PDF of these topics for the new User Guide under development. (See http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation). However, you can a PDF of the complete OpenOffice 3.3. User Guide in that form from this same page. Until a new complete 4.0.x User Guide is complete, you can create your own book from the pages which do exist in the new User Guide, and then download it as PDF. See the Create a book menu entry in the left hand navigation. Oddly, when you use this, you will nerd to navigate back to the main Documentation area, and to the new User Guide area to begin your book creation. The default area for book creation seems to be the Developer Guide. -- - MzK Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't. -- Following the Equator, Mark Twain
Re: Facebook Likes Almost Tripled Since February
Howdy Rob, It was a few days before the email - I requested to join the page (or is it a group) at FB. However - following the link above, apparently I was on an old page, as it looks different from where I was. ;-/ [OT] Hadn't touched FB in months I was non-ambulatory for a period earlier this year and afraid I'm still not totally back in the swing of regular life yet. So - looks like I can post to the page, when I go to the correct one - I'll make a point to do that ;) Thanks //drew On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Are you by chance the admin for the fb page, I've requested to join so as to upload a few items, still waiting for the request to be cleared - so thought I'd ask. Where/when did you make this request? -Rob Thanks //drew On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Everyone, Awesome realization, I was documenting some changes to our social profiles (screen captures), and since February 8th, 2013 we went from just over 3,500 likes to just under 9,400 likes today. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34834928/facebook-account.png https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO If you haven't yet done it, like us on facebook! That six degrees of separation will help us get announcements out on social media like a wild fire! Your friends might like us too. Likes gives us a chance to enter people's news feed (a chance in the flood of other updates, but still a chance). Samer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Facebook Likes Almost Tripled Since February
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy Rob, It was a few days before the email - I requested to join the page (or is it a group) at FB. However - following the link above, apparently I was on an old page, as it looks different from where I was. ;-/ There are a few unofficial/legacy FB and Twitter accounts out there, where the original owners were not willing to make them available to the project. So the official FB and Twitter pages we have now are new, created when the Apache project started. [OT] Hadn't touched FB in months I was non-ambulatory for a period earlier this year and afraid I'm still not totally back in the swing of regular life yet. I'm sorry to hear that. I wish you a speedy recovery. So - looks like I can post to the page, when I go to the correct one - I'll make a point to do that ;) OK. Good. Regards, -Rob Thanks //drew On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Are you by chance the admin for the fb page, I've requested to join so as to upload a few items, still waiting for the request to be cleared - so thought I'd ask. Where/when did you make this request? -Rob Thanks //drew On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Everyone, Awesome realization, I was documenting some changes to our social profiles (screen captures), and since February 8th, 2013 we went from just over 3,500 likes to just under 9,400 likes today. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34834928/facebook-account.png https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO If you haven't yet done it, like us on facebook! That six degrees of separation will help us get announcements out on social media like a wild fire! Your friends might like us too. Likes gives us a chance to enter people's news feed (a chance in the flood of other updates, but still a chance). Samer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: A little more eye candy for 4.0.1 release
Got it - will do. On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I hope, if it is not too much trouble to get you to switch to the one I'm uploading now - not only does it fix the problem on the closing screen, but it also finishes the matting work to remove the final bitmap graphic - and I really thought the yellow rays didn't quite meet the high standard for the project. I'll post the new one directly to the AOO G+ site. [Have cc'd Roberto as I'm not sure what the mailing list will do to that style attachment I also re-did the wallpapers, again so they where of appropriate quality. Thinking that I've gotten close to doing what I set out for, and that is to take a first stab at merging the color languages used in the AOO Logo (Blue/White/Grey) and the ASF feather logo. The best example I think are the new wallpaper designs (which I think will also make for great opening screen on the next video, back to do the 4.0 release notes finally) and the second page on the print piece ThreeUP-GI. well I still don't seem to be able to edit cwiki - I saw someone else mention it yesterday, so I'll be patient and keep using google for today. Here is the updated and IMO so much better video.. AOO_401-Daisies-svg.mp4 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IQ2FXbFBwTWw5Rlk/edit?usp=drive_web and I'm off to write up the G+ post - talking about how it is almost entirely constructed in AOO 4.0.1, exported to SVG and mixed in OpenShot - with InkScape and Gimp appearing in supporting roles - the power of FOOS ;) The new wallpaper files are worth a look also - so be sure to check out the AOO G+ community page later (w/in the hour). @Rob - if you would not mind I would very much like to work with you on the blog, I've got some ideas on how to work with the B/W photos, wouldn't be surprised if my thoughts are not too far from what is behind your choices there - but better in a different thread and maybe on the marketing list, don't know. Let me know though if I can help with that, OK. Do you already have a blog account? If not, start a new thread and propose yourself as an editor, to get lazy consensus. Then you can open a ticket with Infra per these instructions: http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact#what-we-need-to-know Then we can give you editor rights to the blog. As for the photos, I'm not sure I had any deep thoughts here. The fact that they are vintage photos was primarily a result of seeking interesting, fun, relevant, public domain images that could be used on the blog. So that led to Flickr Commons which aggregates such imagery from various national archives and libraries. But I'm open to other ideas. Regards, -Rob Thanks //drew On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/29 Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com: Darn it - forgot the new URL on gdrive https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IMWtzaFN6YW54X0E Now live on SourceForge Apache OpenOffice project page at https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/ Roberto On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, Alright, well I did not have a chance to retrieve emails last night and this morning then I put a few hours into pushing the quality a bit on the release video. Everything that was exported from AOO in jpeg or png is now exported as SVG, with one exception of the opening screen with daisies had to go out as jpeg and then into gimp for some color refinement. I changed the heme a bit, adding Grey9 for body text. Yellow3/Red7 for title Red7 for URL Red7 for trademarks (ASF and others) Added a flourish to the closing screen (which I could remove if anyone would prefer) Otherwise, I just grabbed the release notes again and a quick read doesn't appear to require a change in content. I'll assume this is done and put together the templates and flyer templates for upload to the wiki tomorrow. Thanks, //drew On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote: Ok - here it is ;) Opens with flowers, of course and not just any but I believe some of the oldest artwork distributed with the package; Daisies. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IeE1kMVZzZHhpWkE In fact I had only planned on using these 4 screens, which is all this is really, 4 impress screens if you like, as a way to layout a look for a theme - but it IMO looks good and so I grabbed a voice over clip from what I did last month and a CC-SA piece of music - I think it's a good face for the project. It's Saturday noonish and I will be able to check
Request Lazy Consensus - I would like to have edit access to project blog
Howdy, I would like to help out with the project blog, with both some possible design work and creation of a post from time to time. I'll wait till the weekend and given no objections (questions) will request access from he infra team. Thanks, //drew
Flyers (again_) and other stuff for shows
Hi, Notice I cross posted this to the dev list and the marketing list, only because it the subject started here but I think it's time to move it to the marketing list. OK - I have not updated much on the wiki as of yet - had planned on getting some done today, but afraid not to be. I did upload a first template: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34022580/AOO_TriFold_Front_en-US.ott Notice on this the WHY frame is waiting for input - I think I've got a fairly lucid set of styles and as you will see it is only the outer page, so will make an update tomorrow for the second half. Just now noticed there is a direct request for an editable copy of the flyer for SME from the other week, looks like it will be translated to German, at least I hope so. The ree
Re: Flyers (again_) and other stuff for shows
netbook keyboardss #$%^ anyway - the fellow requested the flyer from the google drive post, but I'd rather he get it from the wiki.. so - next email will be the marketing list only, I think. Till then, //drew On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Drew Jensen drewjensen.in...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Notice I cross posted this to the dev list and the marketing list, only because it the subject started here but I think it's time to move it to the marketing list. OK - I have not updated much on the wiki as of yet - had planned on getting some done today, but afraid not to be. I did upload a first template: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/34022580/AOO_TriFold_Front_en-US.ott Notice on this the WHY frame is waiting for input - I think I've got a fairly lucid set of styles and as you will see it is only the outer page, so will make an update tomorrow for the second half. Just now noticed there is a direct request for an editable copy of the flyer for SME from the other week, looks like it will be translated to German, at least I hope so. The ree
Re: Facebook Likes Almost Tripled Since February
Am 10.10.13 00:12, schrieb Drew Jensen: Howdy Rob, It was a few days before the email - I requested to join the page (or is it a group) at FB. This Group is under my control, and I'm not sure what to do with it. Since we have the Fan Page, the group is more or less obsolet. Or there are any other options? The Group we talking about is https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/ Greetings Raphael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Facebook Likes Almost Tripled Since February
Raphael, I don't think we can effectively chase down every group or page. We should follow up on malicious pages though. I did a shallow search in the results. There is one fb page with recent announcements but doesn't look malicious. Here is the page: https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOpenOffice Not sure who is running it though. Doesn't look malicious though. -Sam On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 10.10.13 00:12, schrieb Drew Jensen: Howdy Rob, It was a few days before the email - I requested to join the page (or is it a group) at FB. This Group is under my control, and I'm not sure what to do with it. Since we have the Fan Page, the group is more or less obsolet. Or there are any other options? The Group we talking about is https://www.facebook.com/**groups/338330086179568/https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/ Greetings Raphael --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.orgdev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
Hi, On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:01:09PM -0400, Samer Mansour wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour The About dialog does not look good with the orb in the header, the old version looked nicer than the current one Old version: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog.png Current one, removing the orb from the header: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog410.png To test different approaches, just replace about.png in the program folder (where soffice.exe is located), for example with this one http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/about.png (there is no need to restart the application). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpdT7QML5hks.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Proposal] Update Icons for AOO 4.1
I agree AOO needs a fresher look and I like there is a stipulated deadline. Will hope to contribute. -- Sent from my Nokia N900 On Wed Oct 9 22:01:09 2013 Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm proposing to have the icons (and related assets) updated for AOO 4.1 release. I would like to take the responsibility to see this gets done. Here is the icons that need to be updated: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Desktop+Icons Related asset: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4.1+-+Application+And+Launcher You can see two examples of ideas on the first link. You can also suggest your own ideas verbally by commenting on the wiki page or visually by attaching it to the wiki. (Please don't reply ideas in this mailing list, let us know if you have trouble) I am putting a deadline for the idea submission and discussion in 30 days, November 9th, 2013. Once we reach the deadline, we will have a separate discussion for optimizing for the best user experience. This is not a contest or a call for public proposals. This is regular, needs to be done, no-bikeshedding-please work. When the deadline Nov 9th arrives, if there is more than one viable solution, we will try to reach consensus without a end user vote. eg. We will not be doing what we did with the logo, that was a special case because it is the face of AOO. Samer Mansour
