Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 17:15, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:56, Alphonso Whitfield III >> wrote: >> >>> Good points Louis., thanks. but we still need a "maven" or two to crack the >>> larger corporate environment. >> >> Done that, in previous instance of my role at OOo. It's not easy and does >> require persistence. Then, I was also salaried by Sun/Oracle, though my hot >> efforts on behalf of the community as such were sometimes met with cool >> water. >> >> But I do not think the tactics of yore are the ones to pursue now. >> > > Keep in mind that corporate successes are not necessarily > publicly-known. I can say from first-hand knowledge that we're > getting a good reaction to IBM's recently-announced service offering > for AOO. But these corporations are unlikely to issue a press release > announcing this fact. This is different from public agencies where > their choices are a matter of public record. Yes. I know. I was many times asked to itemize which companies were using OOo. I could have cited several. But to a corporate lawyer, they insisted that to speak of their usage was to speak my last public sentence.. > >> I think that emphasizing, as I did, QA, innovation, and mobile options, as >> well as the robust community that is reality based, is more important. >> > > 1+ > > We're in a very different time than say, 2002, when open source was a > new concept to many companies. The question is no longer, "Should we > use open source?" but "How should we use open source?". We already > won that first war, making open source a legitimate option. What > remains is a more conventional kind of technology use decision, which > considers price, of course, but also features, interop, migration, > training, etc., costs. > > In any case, the thing to keep in mind is that we are in no way > diminished if someone decides to use LibreOffice. We should feel > good whenever anyone uses our code, whether in the original Apache > OpenOffice or whether in the winPenPack verison, the BSD port, the > OS/2 port, the Solaris port or in LibreOffice fork. It is all good. +1. > > -Rob Cheers, Louis > >> Louis >>> >>> Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan >>> with The Vital Portal >>> >>> Alphonso Whitfield >>> i...@thevitalportal.com >>> Vital >>> 912-816-2595 >>> Skype: vital.i.net >>> >>> Visit us at: >>> The Vital Portal >>> >>> The Vital Portal On facebook >>> >>> Visit our Google Community >>> >>> Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: >>> The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" >>> To: market...@openoffice.apache.org, "Alphonso Whitfield III" >>> >>> Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:08:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: 80 million downloads >>> >>> >>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 15:47, Alphonso Whitfield III >>> wrote: >>> The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the Ubuntu desktop and server operating platform. . >>> >>> It is claiming to be getting acceptance. It is being touted by a few >>> supposedly prominent organizations, such as the South Tyrol org. But a few >>> things. >>> >>> 1. We have IBM as a far more powerful and important contributor than LO has >>> Ubuntu and Canonical. We do not trumpet that affiliation as much as we >>> could, no doubt because we do not want to be too tightly affiliated with >>> IBM and be seen as an appendage of IBM. I don't think we are. But I >>> understand the concerns. >>> >>> 2. We need to use actual facts related to actual usage by enterprise-class >>> users. Download numbers indicate, usually, individual users. These are >>> important. But they do not persuade a lot of larger entities. (The Bring >>> Your Own Device phenomenon is growing and is related to individual download >>> numbers; but in the case of support, etc., one does, usually, need to have >>> an enterprise buy it or enable that market; and support is often the point >>> of decision for many.) >>> >>> And more on this tangent. The main point: facts and actual evidence. >>> >>> louis Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan with The Vital Portal Alphonso Whitfield i...@thevitalportal.com Vital 912-816-2595 Skype: vital.i.net Visit us at: The Vital Portal The Vital Portal On facebook Visit our Google Community Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . - Original Message - From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: market...@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:35:54 PM Subject: Re: 80 million downloads On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500 >>
Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 18:10, Alphonso Whitfield III wrote: > I understand the message you stated is v clear but a personality associated > with the product is not a bad thing, since you have declined the role maybe > someone will step up into that role…in time I have no doubt people will and are in fact filling in the role But I have not declined it. I just do not have the resources to pursue it. It takes a lot of time, which is to say, money. For instance, it would be quite nice to have an apparatus—a web page wiki—that validates claims about the qualities of AOO we want broadcast. And it would be nice, very nice, to have a strategy. That is not too much. I could surely do it, and would love to do it. But I have also to meet my client obligations in order to actually put the bacon (or vegetarian equivalent—Quorn?) on the table. best Louis > > > Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan > with The Vital Portal > > Alphonso Whitfield > i...@thevitalportal.com > Vital > 912-816-2595 > Skype: vital.i.net > > Visit us at: > The Vital Portal > > The Vital Portal On facebook > > Visit our Google Community > > Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: > The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Rob Weir" > To: market...@openoffice.apache.org > Cc: "Alphonso Whitfield III" , > dev@openoffice.apache.org > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:15:14 PM > Subject: Re: 80 million downloads > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:56, Alphonso Whitfield III >> wrote: >> >>> Good points Louis., thanks. but we still need a "maven" or two to crack the >>> larger corporate environment. >> >> Done that, in previous instance of my role at OOo. It's not easy and does >> require persistence. Then, I was also salaried by Sun/Oracle, though my hot >> efforts on behalf of the community as such were sometimes met with cool >> water. >> >> But I do not think the tactics of yore are the ones to pursue now. >> > > Keep in mind that corporate successes are not necessarily > publicly-known. I can say from first-hand knowledge that we're > getting a good reaction to IBM's recently-announced service offering > for AOO. But these corporations are unlikely to issue a press release > announcing this fact. This is different from public agencies where > their choices are a matter of public record. > >> I think that emphasizing, as I did, QA, innovation, and mobile options, as >> well as the robust community that is reality based, is more important. >> > > 1+ > > We're in a very different time than say, 2002, when open source was a > new concept to many companies. The question is no longer, "Should we > use open source?" but "How should we use open source?". We already > won that first war, making open source a legitimate option. What > remains is a more conventional kind of technology use decision, which > considers price, of course, but also features, interop, migration, > training, etc., costs. > > In any case, the thing to keep in mind is that we are in no way > diminished if someone decides to use LibreOffice. We should feel > good whenever anyone uses our code, whether in the original Apache > OpenOffice or whether in the winPenPack verison, the BSD port, the > OS/2 port, the Solaris port or in LibreOffice fork. It is all good. > > -Rob > >> Louis >>> >>> Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan >>> with The Vital Portal >>> >>> Alphonso Whitfield >>> i...@thevitalportal.com >>> Vital >>> 912-816-2595 >>> Skype: vital.i.net >>> >>> Visit us at: >>> The Vital Portal >>> >>> The Vital Portal On facebook >>> >>> Visit our Google Community >>> >>> Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: >>> The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" >>> To: market...@openoffice.apache.org, "Alphonso Whitfield III" >>> >>> Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:08:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: 80 million downloads >>> >>> >>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 15:47, Alphonso Whitfield III >>> wrote: >>> The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the Ubuntu desktop and server operating platform. . >>> >>> It is claiming to be getting acceptance. It is being touted by a few >>> supposedly prominent organizations, such as the South Tyrol org. But a few >>> things. >>> >>> 1. We have IBM as a far more powerful and important contributor than LO has >>> Ubuntu and Canonical. We do not trumpet that affiliation as much as we >>> could, no doubt because we do not want to be too tightly affiliated with >>> IBM and be seen as an appendage of IBM. I don't think we are. But I >>> understand the concerns. >>> >>> 2. We need to use actual facts related to actual usage by enterprise-class >>> users. Download numbers indicate, usually, individual users. The
Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 17:45, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest >> wrote: Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. Well, I also saw this: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we >> think this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent >> from corporations," Pfeifer said. >>> >>> 7000 desktops? Really? We get more than that many downloads every >>> *hour*, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (on average). Just because >>> our users are anonymous does not make them any less relevant. >> >> Quite. >>> LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO >> too, something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I >> wonder why AOO doesn't report similar successes. >>> >>> South Tyrol has been migration to OpenOffice for nearly a decade now. >>> I remember seeing them give a presentation on this at the Orvietto >>> OpenOffice.org conference, for example. Hopefully one of these years >>> they will complete this task. But this is hardly news. >>> >> >> Indeed. In fact, their effort has gone in cycles, and those cycles seem to >> me related to the job tenacity of a few. Of more interest, as it relates to >> actualities, would be Munich's migration but also other cities' in Italy. >> >> Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? >>> >>> It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Any one migrating to >>> a free office suite as part of a migration to Linux will either take >>> LibreOffice or Calligra. If we want to give them the easy choice of >>> AOO as well then we need to get AOO packages for the distros. >>> Personally I don't think the Linux desktop is worth the effort. That >>> is my personal view, and I don't force it on anyone else, but that's >>> my honest opinion. >> >> I agree with Rob. > > > but...as a Linux person, this is somewhat sad for me -- although I > personally have NO problems with installation. This said, the ease of > installation on Linux seems to depend a lot on how easy your distro makes > installing non-repo packages. My major concern at this point in the > continuation of Linux packaging for AOO in some form. > I think Rob means here that the effort to strongly market Linux in the face of corporate marketing muscle by Canonical is not worth it; that good Linux may also be reached by the high road, anyway. Besides, I personally think that Ubuntu's days are numbered, given the better alternatives out there and the very fast, very positive energies Linux engages. (At any rate, that's what I would mean. Given the choice of OSs, for a lot of stuff I tend toward Linux. It's easier. But I tend then toward non-Canonical Linuxes. Even easier.) And try installing OOo in the latest Ubuntu *as a non-developer.* Tell us about it :-). best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
I understand the message you stated is v clear but a personality associated with the product is not a bad thing, since you have declined the role maybe someone will step up into that role...intime Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan with The Vital Portal Alphonso Whitfield i...@thevitalportal.com Vital 912-816-2595 Skype: vital.i.net Visit us at: The Vital Portal The Vital Portal On facebook Visit our Google Community Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . - Original Message - From: "Rob Weir" To: market...@openoffice.apache.org Cc: "Alphonso Whitfield III" , dev@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:15:14 PM Subject: Re: 80 million downloads On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:56, Alphonso Whitfield III > wrote: > >> Good points Louis., thanks. but we still need a "maven" or two to crack the >> larger corporate environment. > > Done that, in previous instance of my role at OOo. It's not easy and does > require persistence. Then, I was also salaried by Sun/Oracle, though my hot > efforts on behalf of the community as such were sometimes met with cool > water. > > But I do not think the tactics of yore are the ones to pursue now. > Keep in mind that corporate successes are not necessarily publicly-known. I can say from first-hand knowledge that we're getting a good reaction to IBM's recently-announced service offering for AOO. But these corporations are unlikely to issue a press release announcing this fact. This is different from public agencies where their choices are a matter of public record. > I think that emphasizing, as I did, QA, innovation, and mobile options, as > well as the robust community that is reality based, is more important. > 1+ We're in a very different time than say, 2002, when open source was a new concept to many companies. The question is no longer, "Should we use open source?" but "How should we use open source?". We already won that first war, making open source a legitimate option. What remains is a more conventional kind of technology use decision, which considers price, of course, but also features, interop, migration, training, etc., costs. In any case, the thing to keep in mind is that we are in no way diminished if someone decides to use LibreOffice. We should feel good whenever anyone uses our code, whether in the original Apache OpenOffice or whether in the winPenPack verison, the BSD port, the OS/2 port, the Solaris port or in LibreOffice fork. It is all good. -Rob > Louis >> >> Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan >> with The Vital Portal >> >> Alphonso Whitfield >> i...@thevitalportal.com >> Vital >> 912-816-2595 >> Skype: vital.i.net >> >> Visit us at: >> The Vital Portal >> >> The Vital Portal On facebook >> >> Visit our Google Community >> >> Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: >> The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" >> To: market...@openoffice.apache.org, "Alphonso Whitfield III" >> >> Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:08:52 PM >> Subject: Re: 80 million downloads >> >> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 15:47, Alphonso Whitfield III >> wrote: >> >> > The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the >> > Ubuntu desktop and server operating platform. . >> >> It is claiming to be getting acceptance. It is being touted by a few >> supposedly prominent organizations, such as the South Tyrol org. But a few >> things. >> >> 1. We have IBM as a far more powerful and important contributor than LO has >> Ubuntu and Canonical. We do not trumpet that affiliation as much as we >> could, no doubt because we do not want to be too tightly affiliated with IBM >> and be seen as an appendage of IBM. I don't think we are. But I understand >> the concerns. >> >> 2. We need to use actual facts related to actual usage by enterprise-class >> users. Download numbers indicate, usually, individual users. These are >> important. But they do not persuade a lot of larger entities. (The Bring >> Your Own Device phenomenon is growing and is related to individual download >> numbers; but in the case of support, etc., one does, usually, need to have >> an enterprise buy it or enable that market; and support is often the point >> of decision for many.) >> >> And more on this tangent. The main point: facts and actual evidence. >> >> louis >> > >> > >> > Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan >> > with The Vital Portal >> > >> > Alphonso Whitfield >> > i...@thevitalportal.com >> > Vital >> > 912-816-2595 >> > Skype: vital.i.net >> > >> > Visit us at: >> > The Vital Portal >> > >> > The Vital Portal On facebook >> > >> > Visit our Google Community >> > >> > Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: >> > The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . >>
Re: 80 million downloads
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > Hi, > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest > wrote: > >> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > >> > >>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > >> > >> > >> Well, I also saw this: > >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South > >> Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote > >> from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we > think > >> this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly > >> growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent > from > >> corporations," Pfeifer said. > >> > > > > 7000 desktops? Really? We get more than that many downloads every > > *hour*, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (on average). Just because > > our users are anonymous does not make them any less relevant. > > Quite. > > > >> LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO > too, > >> something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I > wonder > >> why AOO doesn't report similar successes. > >> > > > > South Tyrol has been migration to OpenOffice for nearly a decade now. > > I remember seeing them give a presentation on this at the Orvietto > > OpenOffice.org conference, for example. Hopefully one of these years > > they will complete this task. But this is hardly news. > > > > Indeed. In fact, their effort has gone in cycles, and those cycles seem to > me related to the job tenacity of a few. Of more interest, as it relates to > actualities, would be Munich's migration but also other cities' in Italy. > > > >> Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? > >> > > > > It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Any one migrating to > > a free office suite as part of a migration to Linux will either take > > LibreOffice or Calligra. If we want to give them the easy choice of > > AOO as well then we need to get AOO packages for the distros. > > Personally I don't think the Linux desktop is worth the effort. That > > is my personal view, and I don't force it on anyone else, but that's > > my honest opinion. > > I agree with Rob. but...as a Linux person, this is somewhat sad for me -- although I personally have NO problems with installation. This said, the ease of installation on Linux seems to depend a lot on how easy your distro makes installing non-repo packages. My major concern at this point in the continuation of Linux packaging for AOO in some form. > I also tend to think that even for something like AOO, mobile is on the > horizon and needs to be embraced. Not all modules of the suite will do well > in mobile—I don't relish the idea of doing spreadsheets, for instance, on a > tablet. But I also don't relish the idea of doing spreadsheets on anything. > > > I also don't cotton to the idea of porting AOO straight to Android or iOS. > I prefer the idea of developing native ODT editors. > > But mobile is an inescapable object in our present's future. > Agreed. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > > -louis > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- - MzK "Cats do not have to be shown how to have a good time, for they are unfailing ingenious in that respect." -- James Mason
Re: 80 million downloads
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:56, Alphonso Whitfield III > wrote: > >> Good points Louis., thanks. but we still need a "maven" or two to crack the >> larger corporate environment. > > Done that, in previous instance of my role at OOo. It's not easy and does > require persistence. Then, I was also salaried by Sun/Oracle, though my hot > efforts on behalf of the community as such were sometimes met with cool water. > > But I do not think the tactics of yore are the ones to pursue now. > Keep in mind that corporate successes are not necessarily publicly-known. I can say from first-hand knowledge that we're getting a good reaction to IBM's recently-announced service offering for AOO. But these corporations are unlikely to issue a press release announcing this fact. This is different from public agencies where their choices are a matter of public record. > I think that emphasizing, as I did, QA, innovation, and mobile options, as > well as the robust community that is reality based, is more important. > 1+ We're in a very different time than say, 2002, when open source was a new concept to many companies. The question is no longer, "Should we use open source?" but "How should we use open source?". We already won that first war, making open source a legitimate option. What remains is a more conventional kind of technology use decision, which considers price, of course, but also features, interop, migration, training, etc., costs. In any case, the thing to keep in mind is that we are in no way diminished if someone decides to use LibreOffice. We should feel good whenever anyone uses our code, whether in the original Apache OpenOffice or whether in the winPenPack verison, the BSD port, the OS/2 port, the Solaris port or in LibreOffice fork. It is all good. -Rob > Louis >> >> Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan >> with The Vital Portal >> >> Alphonso Whitfield >> i...@thevitalportal.com >> Vital >> 912-816-2595 >> Skype: vital.i.net >> >> Visit us at: >> The Vital Portal >> >> The Vital Portal On facebook >> >> Visit our Google Community >> >> Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: >> The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" >> To: market...@openoffice.apache.org, "Alphonso Whitfield III" >> >> Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:08:52 PM >> Subject: Re: 80 million downloads >> >> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 15:47, Alphonso Whitfield III >> wrote: >> >> > The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the >> > Ubuntu desktop and server operating platform. . >> >> It is claiming to be getting acceptance. It is being touted by a few >> supposedly prominent organizations, such as the South Tyrol org. But a few >> things. >> >> 1. We have IBM as a far more powerful and important contributor than LO has >> Ubuntu and Canonical. We do not trumpet that affiliation as much as we >> could, no doubt because we do not want to be too tightly affiliated with IBM >> and be seen as an appendage of IBM. I don't think we are. But I understand >> the concerns. >> >> 2. We need to use actual facts related to actual usage by enterprise-class >> users. Download numbers indicate, usually, individual users. These are >> important. But they do not persuade a lot of larger entities. (The Bring >> Your Own Device phenomenon is growing and is related to individual download >> numbers; but in the case of support, etc., one does, usually, need to have >> an enterprise buy it or enable that market; and support is often the point >> of decision for many.) >> >> And more on this tangent. The main point: facts and actual evidence. >> >> louis >> > >> > >> > Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan >> > with The Vital Portal >> > >> > Alphonso Whitfield >> > i...@thevitalportal.com >> > Vital >> > 912-816-2595 >> > Skype: vital.i.net >> > >> > Visit us at: >> > The Vital Portal >> > >> > The Vital Portal On facebook >> > >> > Visit our Google Community >> > >> > Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: >> > The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > >> > From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" >> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> > Cc: market...@openoffice.apache.org >> > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:35:54 PM >> > Subject: Re: 80 million downloads >> > >> > >> > On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >> > >> >> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500 >> >> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >> >>> >> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 >> Hagar Delest wrote: >> >> > Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : >> >> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. >> > >> > Well, I also saw this: >> > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 >> > (South Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffic
Re: Join the open office project
Efi wrote: I used the instructions you provided and started a new build with the same commands,it went on without any problem for a few hours and then I got a new error an building instsetoo_native, specifically: ERROR: ERROR: More than one new package in directory This seems very similar to the problem reported by Jan a few minutes after you wrote. If that is the problem, the culprit is revision 1546570 and is not fixed yet, but you can go to your "aoo-trunk" directory and get an earlier revision to check that you can build it successfully. Something like: "svn up -r 1546569", then reconfigure and rebuild. If you can then build successfully (and you should; your build stopped at the last step!) then your problem is the same reported by Jan and it's better to investigate it in the other thread. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the Ubuntu desktop and server operating platform. . Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan with The Vital Portal Alphonso Whitfield i...@thevitalportal.com Vital 912-816-2595 Skype: vital.i.net Visit us at: The Vital Portal The Vital Portal On facebook Visit our Google Community Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . - Original Message - From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: market...@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:35:54 PM Subject: Re: 80 million downloads On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500 > Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 >>> Hagar Delest wrote: >>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. Well, I also saw this: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from corporations," Pfeifer said. LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder why AOO doesn't report similar successes. Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? Hagar >>> We are perhaps too polite. We don't indulge in 'slanging matches' with the >>> LibreOffice camp, unlike many of their proponents, who may not be as >>> connected with the main LibreOffice core group, as (for example) list >>> members here are with the Apache setup. >>> >>> We should emphasise AOO's stability; unfortunately any argument for >>> stability or almost anything is very much an 'ad hominem' argument and can >>> be shot down by a vociferous and technically incompetent user (we hae seen >>> many such, both on this list and on the Forum(s)) who 'knows' that a >>> computer is a 'magic box' and expects it to accomodate his incompetence. >> >> That said, and I agree with Rory, I also think that emphasizing AOO's use by >> enterprises and other large-scale entities, would only help. And calling out >> South Tyrol's claims wouldn't be bad, either. After all, they do not seem to >> be based on anything like fact. >> >> louis > > It would be good to start by always refuting the claim that "OO is dead"; our > (AOO) claims must always be based on facts, not on the unsupported assertions > of ill-informed journalists. In the computer press one cannot (unfortunately) > insist on "right of reply", which one usually can get in the newspapers of > record. One of the things I did during Ye Olde OOo Days, that I would rather not re-do, was use a rhetoric putting MSFT in the role of Bad Guy—in this case, the analogue would be replacing MSFT with LO. I think we are in agreement not to do that. What I did that was more positive was create the Major Deployments page. That was then taken to levels far above my initial frame and maintained for a long while. It showed those enterprise users we knew about, and did so per region, etc. I'd think something like that would be useful, again. My interest is not to critique others, exactly, but to make it easier for journalists to get the facts. And that leads me then to: What facts do we want to emphasize? The ones I generally point to: * QA excellence * Innovations—especially those that would be of interest to enterprises. (That is: it's nifty to have other sorts of innovation but if the innovations are not actually useful or of only limited use, then the quality of the innovation is diminished. Of course, myopic journalists can still—and will still—simply point to the numbers, in the abstract.) * Ease of use and support: How hard is it is for AOO to be adopted? To drop in as a replacement for whatever is there? To integrate with mobile ambitions? What languages? — regarding each of these, a key point is expected production not just by a vague claim of community but by a more identifiable body of stakeholders—that is, companies that have staked significant business on the development and distribution and also upkeep of AOO. — and in regards to languages, as I learned with OOo, it's one thing to have a gazillion localizations but it's quite another to maintain them. The more that can be said about the groups maintaining the localizations, the better; the more information, yes, but also the more that can be revealed about their fragilities. * mobile integration: nearly everyon
Re: 80 million downloads
Good points Louis., thanks. but we still need a "maven" or two to crack the larger corporate environment. Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan with The Vital Portal Alphonso Whitfield i...@thevitalportal.com Vital 912-816-2595 Skype: vital.i.net Visit us at: The Vital Portal The Vital Portal On facebook Visit our Google Community Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . - Original Message - From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" To: market...@openoffice.apache.org, "Alphonso Whitfield III" Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:08:52 PM Subject: Re: 80 million downloads On 30-Nov-2013, at 15:47, Alphonso Whitfield III wrote: > The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the > Ubuntu desktop and server operating platform. . It is claiming to be getting acceptance. It is being touted by a few supposedly prominent organizations, such as the South Tyrol org. But a few things. 1. We have IBM as a far more powerful and important contributor than LO has Ubuntu and Canonical. We do not trumpet that affiliation as much as we could, no doubt because we do not want to be too tightly affiliated with IBM and be seen as an appendage of IBM. I don't think we are. But I understand the concerns. 2. We need to use actual facts related to actual usage by enterprise-class users. Download numbers indicate, usually, individual users. These are important. But they do not persuade a lot of larger entities. (The Bring Your Own Device phenomenon is growing and is related to individual download numbers; but in the case of support, etc., one does, usually, need to have an enterprise buy it or enable that market; and support is often the point of decision for many.) And more on this tangent. The main point: facts and actual evidence. louis > > > Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan > with The Vital Portal > > Alphonso Whitfield > i...@thevitalportal.com > Vital > 912-816-2595 > Skype: vital.i.net > > Visit us at: > The Vital Portal > > The Vital Portal On facebook > > Visit our Google Community > > Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: > The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Cc: market...@openoffice.apache.org > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:35:54 PM > Subject: Re: 80 million downloads > > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > >> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500 >> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> >>> >>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 Hagar Delest wrote: > Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : >> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > > Well, I also saw this: > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South > Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote > from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we > think this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and > constantly growing community of developers and by statute has to be > independent from corporations," Pfeifer said. > > LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, > something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I > wonder why AOO doesn't report similar successes. > > Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? > > Hagar > We are perhaps too polite. We don't indulge in 'slanging matches' with the LibreOffice camp, unlike many of their proponents, who may not be as connected with the main LibreOffice core group, as (for example) list members here are with the Apache setup. We should emphasise AOO's stability; unfortunately any argument for stability or almost anything is very much an 'ad hominem' argument and can be shot down by a vociferous and technically incompetent user (we hae seen many such, both on this list and on the Forum(s)) who 'knows' that a computer is a 'magic box' and expects it to accomodate his incompetence. >>> >>> That said, and I agree with Rory, I also think that emphasizing AOO's use >>> by enterprises and other large-scale entities, would only help. And calling >>> out South Tyrol's claims wouldn't be bad, either. After all, they do not >>> seem to be based on anything like fact. >>> >>> louis >> >> It would be good to start by always refuting the claim that "OO is dead"; >> our (AOO) claims must always be based on facts, not on the unsupported >> assertions of ill-informed journalists. In the computer press one cannot >> (unfortunately) insist on "right of reply", which one usually can get in the >> newspapers of record. > > > One of the things I did during Ye
Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:56, Alphonso Whitfield III wrote: > Good points Louis., thanks. but we still need a "maven" or two to crack the > larger corporate environment. Done that, in previous instance of my role at OOo. It's not easy and does require persistence. Then, I was also salaried by Sun/Oracle, though my hot efforts on behalf of the community as such were sometimes met with cool water. But I do not think the tactics of yore are the ones to pursue now. I think that emphasizing, as I did, QA, innovation, and mobile options, as well as the robust community that is reality based, is more important. Louis > > Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan > with The Vital Portal > > Alphonso Whitfield > i...@thevitalportal.com > Vital > 912-816-2595 > Skype: vital.i.net > > Visit us at: > The Vital Portal > > The Vital Portal On facebook > > Visit our Google Community > > Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: > The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . > > > > > > > From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" > To: market...@openoffice.apache.org, "Alphonso Whitfield III" > > Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:08:52 PM > Subject: Re: 80 million downloads > > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 15:47, Alphonso Whitfield III > wrote: > > > The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the > > Ubuntu desktop and server operating platform. . > > It is claiming to be getting acceptance. It is being touted by a few > supposedly prominent organizations, such as the South Tyrol org. But a few > things. > > 1. We have IBM as a far more powerful and important contributor than LO has > Ubuntu and Canonical. We do not trumpet that affiliation as much as we could, > no doubt because we do not want to be too tightly affiliated with IBM and be > seen as an appendage of IBM. I don't think we are. But I understand the > concerns. > > 2. We need to use actual facts related to actual usage by enterprise-class > users. Download numbers indicate, usually, individual users. These are > important. But they do not persuade a lot of larger entities. (The Bring Your > Own Device phenomenon is growing and is related to individual download > numbers; but in the case of support, etc., one does, usually, need to have an > enterprise buy it or enable that market; and support is often the point of > decision for many.) > > And more on this tangent. The main point: facts and actual evidence. > > louis > > > > > > Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan > > with The Vital Portal > > > > Alphonso Whitfield > > i...@thevitalportal.com > > Vital > > 912-816-2595 > > Skype: vital.i.net > > > > Visit us at: > > The Vital Portal > > > > The Vital Portal On facebook > > > > Visit our Google Community > > > > Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: > > The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Cc: market...@openoffice.apache.org > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:35:54 PM > > Subject: Re: 80 million downloads > > > > > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500 > >> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > >>> > On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 > Hagar Delest wrote: > > > Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > >> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > > > > Well, I also saw this: > > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South > > Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the > > quote from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because > > we think this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and > > constantly growing community of developers and by statute has to be > > independent from corporations," Pfeifer said. > > > > LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO > > too, something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). > > I wonder why AOO doesn't report similar successes. > > > > Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? > > > > Hagar > > > We are perhaps too polite. We don't indulge in 'slanging matches' with > the LibreOffice camp, unlike many of their proponents, who may not be as > connected with the main LibreOffice core group, as (for example) list > members here are with the Apache setup. > > We should emphasise AOO's stability; unfortunately any argument for > stability or almost anything is very much an 'ad hominem' argument and > can be shot down by a vociferous and technically incompetent user (we > hae seen many such, both on this list and on the Forum(s)) who 'knows' > that a computer is a 'magic b
Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:22, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Indeed. In fact, their effort has gone in cycles, and those cycles seem to >> me related to the job tenacity of a few. Of more interest, as it relates to >> actualities, would be Munich's migration but also other cities' in Italy. >> > > And let's not forget that Emilia-Romagna recently announced a > migration to OpenOffice: > > https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/openoffice-italian-emilia-romagna-save-2-million Indeed. That was the region I was thinking of, too. And I would also point to Italo V's rather heated denunciation of the migration and AOO about it; see http://www.libreitalia.it/regione-emilia-romagna-la-migrazione-perduta/ Google translate is adequate. louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > Hi, > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest >> wrote: >>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : >>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. >>> >>> >>> Well, I also saw this: >>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South >>> Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote >>> from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think >>> this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly >>> growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from >>> corporations," Pfeifer said. >>> >> >> 7000 desktops? Really? We get more than that many downloads every >> *hour*, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (on average). Just because >> our users are anonymous does not make them any less relevant. > > Quite. >> >>> LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, >>> something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder >>> why AOO doesn't report similar successes. >>> >> >> South Tyrol has been migration to OpenOffice for nearly a decade now. >> I remember seeing them give a presentation on this at the Orvietto >> OpenOffice.org conference, for example. Hopefully one of these years >> they will complete this task. But this is hardly news. >> > > Indeed. In fact, their effort has gone in cycles, and those cycles seem to me > related to the job tenacity of a few. Of more interest, as it relates to > actualities, would be Munich's migration but also other cities' in Italy. > And let's not forget that Emilia-Romagna recently announced a migration to OpenOffice: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/openoffice-italian-emilia-romagna-save-2-million -Rob > >>> Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? >>> >> >> It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Any one migrating to >> a free office suite as part of a migration to Linux will either take >> LibreOffice or Calligra. If we want to give them the easy choice of >> AOO as well then we need to get AOO packages for the distros. >> Personally I don't think the Linux desktop is worth the effort. That >> is my personal view, and I don't force it on anyone else, but that's >> my honest opinion. > > I agree with Rob. I also tend to think that even for something like AOO, > mobile is on the horizon and needs to be embraced. Not all modules of the > suite will do well in mobile—I don't relish the idea of doing spreadsheets, > for instance, on a tablet. But I also don't relish the idea of doing > spreadsheets on anything. > > I also don't cotton to the idea of porting AOO straight to Android or iOS. I > prefer the idea of developing native ODT editors. > > But mobile is an inescapable object in our present's future. > > >> >> Regards, >> >> -Rob > > -louis >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
Hi On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:10, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:06:01 -0500 > Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest >> wrote: >>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : >>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > > It would be best if the silent mapping of OpenOffice to LibreOffice on many > linux distros could be stopped. Use a common linux distro, try to install > OpenOffice using the package manager, and what does one get - LibreOffice. Perhaps this could be a key part of messaging? That for Linux distros, choice should be possible, and the user should be able to choose freely what he or she wants; that it seemingly violates the spirit of free and open source software to bind users to a set of software and to make actual choice nearly impossible for regular users; and to then claim, deceptively, that the user has choice (if that is what is going on; I would need to check) is just sad. Louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
Hi, On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest > wrote: >> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : >> >>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. >> >> >> Well, I also saw this: >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South >> Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote >> from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think >> this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly >> growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from >> corporations," Pfeifer said. >> > > 7000 desktops? Really? We get more than that many downloads every > *hour*, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (on average). Just because > our users are anonymous does not make them any less relevant. Quite. > >> LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, >> something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder >> why AOO doesn't report similar successes. >> > > South Tyrol has been migration to OpenOffice for nearly a decade now. > I remember seeing them give a presentation on this at the Orvietto > OpenOffice.org conference, for example. Hopefully one of these years > they will complete this task. But this is hardly news. > Indeed. In fact, their effort has gone in cycles, and those cycles seem to me related to the job tenacity of a few. Of more interest, as it relates to actualities, would be Munich's migration but also other cities' in Italy. >> Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? >> > > It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Any one migrating to > a free office suite as part of a migration to Linux will either take > LibreOffice or Calligra. If we want to give them the easy choice of > AOO as well then we need to get AOO packages for the distros. > Personally I don't think the Linux desktop is worth the effort. That > is my personal view, and I don't force it on anyone else, but that's > my honest opinion. I agree with Rob. I also tend to think that even for something like AOO, mobile is on the horizon and needs to be embraced. Not all modules of the suite will do well in mobile—I don't relish the idea of doing spreadsheets, for instance, on a tablet. But I also don't relish the idea of doing spreadsheets on anything. I also don't cotton to the idea of porting AOO straight to Android or iOS. I prefer the idea of developing native ODT editors. But mobile is an inescapable object in our present's future. > > Regards, > > -Rob -louis > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:06:01 -0500 Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest > wrote: > > Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > > > >> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > > > > > > Well, I also saw this: > > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South > > Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote > > from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think > > this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly > > growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from > > corporations," Pfeifer said. > > > > 7000 desktops? Really? We get more than that many downloads every > *hour*, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (on average). Just because > our users are anonymous does not make them any less relevant. > > > LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, > > something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder > > why AOO doesn't report similar successes. > > > > South Tyrol has been migration to OpenOffice for nearly a decade now. > I remember seeing them give a presentation on this at the Orvietto > OpenOffice.org conference, for example. Hopefully one of these years > they will complete this task. But this is hardly news. > > > Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? > > > > It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Any one migrating to > a free office suite as part of a migration to Linux will either take > LibreOffice or Calligra. If we want to give them the easy choice of > AOO as well then we need to get AOO packages for the distros. > Personally I don't think the Linux desktop is worth the effort. That > is my personal view, and I don't force it on anyone else, but that's > my honest opinion. > > Regards, > > -Rob > > > > Hagar > > > > > > It would be best if the silent mapping of OpenOffice to LibreOffice on many linux distros could be stopped. Use a common linux distro, try to install OpenOffice using the package manager, and what does one get - LibreOffice. -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 15:47, Alphonso Whitfield III wrote: > The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the > Ubuntu desktop and server operating platform. . It is claiming to be getting acceptance. It is being touted by a few supposedly prominent organizations, such as the South Tyrol org. But a few things. 1. We have IBM as a far more powerful and important contributor than LO has Ubuntu and Canonical. We do not trumpet that affiliation as much as we could, no doubt because we do not want to be too tightly affiliated with IBM and be seen as an appendage of IBM. I don't think we are. But I understand the concerns. 2. We need to use actual facts related to actual usage by enterprise-class users. Download numbers indicate, usually, individual users. These are important. But they do not persuade a lot of larger entities. (The Bring Your Own Device phenomenon is growing and is related to individual download numbers; but in the case of support, etc., one does, usually, need to have an enterprise buy it or enable that market; and support is often the point of decision for many.) And more on this tangent. The main point: facts and actual evidence. louis > > > Plan Your Work and Work Your Plan > with The Vital Portal > > Alphonso Whitfield > i...@thevitalportal.com > Vital > 912-816-2595 > Skype: vital.i.net > > Visit us at: > The Vital Portal > > The Vital Portal On facebook > > Visit our Google Community > > Join our Vital Portal Webinars at: > The Vital Portal WebEx Meeting Center . > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Louis Suárez-Potts" > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Cc: market...@openoffice.apache.org > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:35:54 PM > Subject: Re: 80 million downloads > > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > >> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500 >> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> >>> >>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 Hagar Delest wrote: > Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : >> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > > Well, I also saw this: > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South > Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote > from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we > think this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and > constantly growing community of developers and by statute has to be > independent from corporations," Pfeifer said. > > LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, > something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I > wonder why AOO doesn't report similar successes. > > Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? > > Hagar > We are perhaps too polite. We don't indulge in 'slanging matches' with the LibreOffice camp, unlike many of their proponents, who may not be as connected with the main LibreOffice core group, as (for example) list members here are with the Apache setup. We should emphasise AOO's stability; unfortunately any argument for stability or almost anything is very much an 'ad hominem' argument and can be shot down by a vociferous and technically incompetent user (we hae seen many such, both on this list and on the Forum(s)) who 'knows' that a computer is a 'magic box' and expects it to accomodate his incompetence. >>> >>> That said, and I agree with Rory, I also think that emphasizing AOO's use >>> by enterprises and other large-scale entities, would only help. And calling >>> out South Tyrol's claims wouldn't be bad, either. After all, they do not >>> seem to be based on anything like fact. >>> >>> louis >> >> It would be good to start by always refuting the claim that "OO is dead"; >> our (AOO) claims must always be based on facts, not on the unsupported >> assertions of ill-informed journalists. In the computer press one cannot >> (unfortunately) insist on "right of reply", which one usually can get in the >> newspapers of record. > > > One of the things I did during Ye Olde OOo Days, that I would rather not > re-do, was use a rhetoric putting MSFT in the role of Bad Guy—in this case, > the analogue would be replacing MSFT with LO. > > I think we are in agreement not to do that. > > What I did that was more positive was create the Major Deployments page. That > was then taken to levels far above my initial frame and maintained for a long > while. It showed those enterprise users we knew about, and did so per region, > etc. > > I'd think something like that would be useful, again. My interest is not to > critique others, exactly, but to make it easier for journalists to get the > facts. > > And that leads me then to: W
Re: 80 million downloads
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest wrote: > Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > >> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > > > Well, I also saw this: > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South > Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote > from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think > this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly > growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from > corporations," Pfeifer said. > 7000 desktops? Really? We get more than that many downloads every *hour*, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year (on average). Just because our users are anonymous does not make them any less relevant. > LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, > something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder > why AOO doesn't report similar successes. > South Tyrol has been migration to OpenOffice for nearly a decade now. I remember seeing them give a presentation on this at the Orvietto OpenOffice.org conference, for example. Hopefully one of these years they will complete this task. But this is hardly news. > Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? > It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Any one migrating to a free office suite as part of a migration to Linux will either take LibreOffice or Calligra. If we want to give them the easy choice of AOO as well then we need to get AOO packages for the distros. Personally I don't think the Linux desktop is worth the effort. That is my personal view, and I don't force it on anyone else, but that's my honest opinion. Regards, -Rob > Hagar > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500 > Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > >> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 >>> Hagar Delest wrote: >>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. Well, I also saw this: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from corporations," Pfeifer said. LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder why AOO doesn't report similar successes. Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? Hagar >>> We are perhaps too polite. We don't indulge in 'slanging matches' with the >>> LibreOffice camp, unlike many of their proponents, who may not be as >>> connected with the main LibreOffice core group, as (for example) list >>> members here are with the Apache setup. >>> >>> We should emphasise AOO's stability; unfortunately any argument for >>> stability or almost anything is very much an 'ad hominem' argument and can >>> be shot down by a vociferous and technically incompetent user (we hae seen >>> many such, both on this list and on the Forum(s)) who 'knows' that a >>> computer is a 'magic box' and expects it to accomodate his incompetence. >> >> That said, and I agree with Rory, I also think that emphasizing AOO's use by >> enterprises and other large-scale entities, would only help. And calling out >> South Tyrol's claims wouldn't be bad, either. After all, they do not seem to >> be based on anything like fact. >> >> louis > > It would be good to start by always refuting the claim that "OO is dead"; our > (AOO) claims must always be based on facts, not on the unsupported assertions > of ill-informed journalists. In the computer press one cannot (unfortunately) > insist on "right of reply", which one usually can get in the newspapers of > record. One of the things I did during Ye Olde OOo Days, that I would rather not re-do, was use a rhetoric putting MSFT in the role of Bad Guy—in this case, the analogue would be replacing MSFT with LO. I think we are in agreement not to do that. What I did that was more positive was create the Major Deployments page. That was then taken to levels far above my initial frame and maintained for a long while. It showed those enterprise users we knew about, and did so per region, etc. I'd think something like that would be useful, again. My interest is not to critique others, exactly, but to make it easier for journalists to get the facts. And that leads me then to: What facts do we want to emphasize? The ones I generally point to: * QA excellence * Innovations—especially those that would be of interest to enterprises. (That is: it's nifty to have other sorts of innovation but if the innovations are not actually useful or of only limited use, then the quality of the innovation is diminished. Of course, myopic journalists can still—and will still—simply point to the numbers, in the abstract.) * Ease of use and support: How hard is it is for AOO to be adopted? To drop in as a replacement for whatever is there? To integrate with mobile ambitions? What languages? — regarding each of these, a key point is expected production not just by a vague claim of community but by a more identifiable body of stakeholders—that is, companies that have staked significant business on the development and distribution and also upkeep of AOO. — and in regards to languages, as I learned with OOo, it's one thing to have a gazillion localizations but it's quite another to maintain them. The more that can be said about the groups maintaining the localizations, the better; the more information, yes, but also the more that can be revealed about their fragilities. * mobile integration: nearly everyone associated with enterprises wants a mobile version of AOO. Such are coming into being. The Android AOO version is, from what I can gather, more a proof of concept than a really usable thing, though the developer is working to change that. He sees what he has to do but is just one guy. The iOS UX Write, with which I am associated, is more usable. It's to be able to read/write ODT files (note: .odt) and also MSFT .docx files; but not the full suite's formats. (At some point.) It also can work with the "cloud" storage services, e.g. Box. No doubt, LO can also point to some things like this. But these that we would point to would be factually present
Re: 80 million downloads
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > > On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 > > Hagar Delest wrote: > > > >> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > >>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > >> > >> Well, I also saw this: > >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South > >> Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote > >> from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think > >> this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly > >> growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from > >> corporations," Pfeifer said. > >> > >> LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, > >> something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I > >> wonder why AOO doesn't report similar successes. > >> > >> Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? > >> > >> Hagar > >> > > We are perhaps too polite. We don't indulge in 'slanging matches' with the > > LibreOffice camp, unlike many of their proponents, who may not be as > > connected with the main LibreOffice core group, as (for example) list > > members here are with the Apache setup. > > > > We should emphasise AOO's stability; unfortunately any argument for > > stability or almost anything is very much an 'ad hominem' argument and can > > be shot down by a vociferous and technically incompetent user (we hae seen > > many such, both on this list and on the Forum(s)) who 'knows' that a > > computer is a 'magic box' and expects it to accomodate his incompetence. > > That said, and I agree with Rory, I also think that emphasizing AOO's use by > enterprises and other large-scale entities, would only help. And calling out > South Tyrol's claims wouldn't be bad, either. After all, they do not seem to > be based on anything like fact. > > louis It would be good to start by always refuting the claim that "OO is dead"; our (AOO) claims must always be based on facts, not on the unsupported assertions of ill-informed journalists. In the computer press one cannot (unfortunately) insist on "right of reply", which one usually can get in the newspapers of record. -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 > Hagar Delest wrote: > >> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : >>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. >> >> Well, I also saw this: >> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South >> Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote >> from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think >> this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly >> growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from >> corporations," Pfeifer said. >> >> LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, >> something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder >> why AOO doesn't report similar successes. >> >> Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? >> >> Hagar >> > We are perhaps too polite. We don't indulge in 'slanging matches' with the > LibreOffice camp, unlike many of their proponents, who may not be as > connected with the main LibreOffice core group, as (for example) list members > here are with the Apache setup. > > We should emphasise AOO's stability; unfortunately any argument for stability > or almost anything is very much an 'ad hominem' argument and can be shot down > by a vociferous and technically incompetent user (we hae seen many such, both > on this list and on the Forum(s)) who 'knows' that a computer is a 'magic > box' and expects it to accomodate his incompetence. That said, and I agree with Rory, I also think that emphasizing AOO's use by enterprises and other large-scale entities, would only help. And calling out South Tyrol's claims wouldn't be bad, either. After all, they do not seem to be based on anything like fact. louis > > > > -- > Rory O'Farrell > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: MacBook Pro 64 Bit
On 2013-11-29, 6:50 PM CHRIS KARPINSKI wrote concerning "MacBook Pro 64 Bit": Hello, I am new to Apache OpenOffice as well as Mac Computers. My MacBook Pro is a 64 Bit system with 10.9 Mavericks OS Just trying to find out if OpenOffice 32 Bit is compatible with my system. I am also running Pages, Numbers & Keynote. Thank you kindly for your time and help... Warmest Regards,Chris K. Yes, it is. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100 Hagar Delest wrote: > Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : > > Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. > > Well, I also saw this: > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South Tyrol > government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote from last > post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think this gives > us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly growing community > of developers and by statute has to be independent from corporations," > Pfeifer said. > > LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, > something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder > why AOO doesn't report similar successes. > > Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? > > Hagar > We are perhaps too polite. We don't indulge in 'slanging matches' with the LibreOffice camp, unlike many of their proponents, who may not be as connected with the main LibreOffice core group, as (for example) list members here are with the Apache setup. We should emphasise AOO's stability; unfortunately any argument for stability or almost anything is very much an 'ad hominem' argument and can be shot down by a vociferous and technically incompetent user (we hae seen many such, both on this list and on the Forum(s)) who 'knows' that a computer is a 'magic box' and expects it to accomodate his incompetence. -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 80 million downloads
Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit : Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads. Well, I also saw this: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote from last post: "We opted for LibreOffice over OpenOffice because we think this gives us more guarantees. It has a more consistent and constantly growing community of developers and by statute has to be independent from corporations," Pfeifer said. LibO is getting more and more momentum (French referential uses LibO too, something that will be implemented in more and more institutions). I wonder why AOO doesn't report similar successes. Are we lacking marketing power? Or key people? Hagar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: soltools need(s) to be rebuilt
> > This is really strange since the Mozilla dependency was removed a few weeks > ago. At the least, you should do an svn update. Then, if I were you, maybe > get into /main, do dmake clean, and reconfigure. > Thanks for the information! BTW, I was trying to compile the source tar-ball... I am getting the svn tree and I will retry. As usual, I cross fingers :-) -- Apostols Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece
Re: Proposal
On 15/11/2013 Juan de Val Cremades wrote: My question was about your legacy, because I don´t know if I would be able to use your software to offer it (obviously 100% for free) but on a new platform. You are not giving many details on what you would be doing, but the terms and conditions for use, reproduction and distribution of the OpenOffice code can be found at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html If you have specific questions feel free to ask again. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
build breaker in solenv/bin/modules/install/logger.pm on ubuntu 12.04
Hi. It seems the latest changes in logger.pm leads to a buildbreaker in instset_native. svn tell that this file was updated today, but I am not good at perl, at I cannot see what the problem is. Output from build --all: ... using package from pool ... creating epm list file epm_gid_Module_Root.lst ... ... checking pool package ... Stack Trace: /share/opensource/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/logger.pm:206in function installer::logger::Die /share/opensource/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/logger.pm:189in function installer::logger::print /share/opensource/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/ packagepool.pm:172 in function installer::logger::printf /share/opensource/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/ packagepool.pm:667 in function installer::packagepool::compare_package_content /share/opensource/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/make_installer.pl:930 in function installer::packagepool::package_is_up_to_date /share/opensource/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/make_installer.pl:2140 in function main::MakeNonWindowsBuild newline at start of line at /share/opensource/aoo/trunk/main/solenv/bin/modules/installer/logger.pmline 738. dmake: Error code 255, while making 'openoffice_en-US.rpm' 1 module(s): instsetoo_native any advice ? rgds jan I.
Re: Join the open office project
On 11/29/2013 09:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Herbert Duerr wrote: Please update your trunk checkout (to revision r1545947 or newer). Thank you Herbert, worked now! So I confirm I can now successfully build on Ubuntu 10.04 with the packages and configure switches I mentioned earlier. Efi, I hope these instructions work for you too. Otherwise feel free to ask: now I have a working build in an environment identical to yours. Regards, Andrea. - Thank you Andrea, I used my laptot this time since it has ubuntu 12.04, I didnt try at first with this because I use it for hadoop and it has little free space but since the instructions were for 12.04 I thought it fitting. I used the instructions you provided and started a new build with the same commands,it went on without any problem for a few hours and then I got a new error an building instsetoo_native, specifically: ERROR: ERROR: More than one new package in directory /home/efi/AOO/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/unxlngi6.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/deb/install/en-US_inprogress/DEBS ( /home/efi/AOO/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/unxlngi6.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/deb/install/en-US_inprogress/DEBS/openoffice-en-us-base-4.1.0-1-linux-3.8-intel.deb /home/efi/AOO/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/unxlngi6.pro/Apache_OpenOffice/deb/install/en-US_inprogress/DEBS/openoffice-en-us-base-4.1.0-1-linux-3.8-intel) in function: determine_new_packagename (packagepool) ** in function: determine_new_packagename (packagepool)stopping log at Sat Nov 30 16:34:55 2013 dmake: Error code 255, while making 'openoffice_en-US.deb' 1 module(s): instsetoo_native need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /home/efi/AOO/aoo-trunk/main/instsetoo_native/util When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by running: build --all:instsetoo_native I searched for a solution in the mailing list but the only one i found suggested configuring with --with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz which i guess its the same as --with-epm-url=http://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz I tried it nonetheless but i got the same error.I will keep looking into it and I am thankful for any help you can provide like you did so far :) Regards Efi.
Re: Arrow heads with hole
Moin Regina, I like this pallette. Am 26.11.2013 16:33, schrieb Regina Henschel: Hi all, I have expanded the standard.soe with some arrow heads with hole. The file is attached to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123758. If you like them, we can consider to use this palette as default. Kind regards, Joost - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:01:12 +0530 Ashok wrote: > Dear Sir, > How i _disable autocorrect option_ at openofficeorg > Please reply me as soon as possible > with Regards, > Ashok /Format /autocorrect : uncheck "while typing" -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website
Dear Sir, How i _disable autocorrect option_ at openofficeorg Please reply me as soon as possible with Regards, Ashok
Re: Successful 01st Build!
On 27/11/2013 Vadim Yedzinovich wrote: I've successful build of AOO410m1(Build9750) Rev. 1534248 under Windows 7. Good, congratulations! Note that you are not subscribed to this list so you may miss answers. See http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html And now it would be the time to pick up a task. On http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html you can find links to a list of "easy" and "simple" hacks: feel free to pick one and report it here so that we can help/mentor you if needed. It's included on that list, but we also have some pending small improvements to the HTML export. If you have some HTML/XML knowledge, you can also pick https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122494 and I can mentor you in that case. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
