Re: html code generated from Open Office
On 06/01/2015 Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) wrote: The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. Good! There a number of valid points in your ZIP file. There are also several possible ways to produce HTML from within OpenOffice, which do different things, so you should specify what operation you are going to improve (I assume that you are using, in Writer, File - Save As - HTML; but File - Export gives you a different one if you installed it in your system). I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them The source code is indeed quite big and monolithic, but you could simply hack the conversion files. See https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/improving_the_xhtml_export_filter/ for more (note: video is from a test, it's not even me in the video; use the slides). And please come back with any doubts. We can probably reuse the concepts from your ZIP file, but they must be adapted. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair
I hereby nominate Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) He has been involved in every major openoffice development for a decade or more. He was my mentor when I joined AOO, and without his mentoring I would not have been here. Jürgen has been involved in all aspects of openoffice and later Apache OpenOffice including being release manager for several releases. His will to help shape the future of AOO is to be seen in most of his mails. Louis Suarez-Potts. Louis has been involved in openoffice forever. Before openoffice became AOO, he was deeply involved in community building, something a chair should focus on. Louis has not been so active lately, but I have no doubt that the future of AOO (and opensource in general) is a major driving force for him. rgds jan I. On 3 January 2015 at 13:37, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 02/01/2015 Michal Hriň wrote: So here I chose some people, to make this election easier. This is indeed the aim of this phase (until 10 January): nominating people and knowing if they are available for election. The actual vote will happen later. All people named so far would be good candidates, as well as a few others who haven't been mentioned yet. I'm nominating Jan Iversen (jani). Reasons: - He is active in both OpenOffice and Apache, and thus he can be a perfect interface between OpenOffice and the Foundation at large - He is energetic, visionary and pragmatic - He is a committer in many key projects of the Foundation http://people.apache.org/committer-index.html#jani including Infrastructure and Corinthia that are connected to OpenOffice in some way - He regularly attends and organizes conferences and events - He is a Member of the Foundation Technically, Jan is an emeritus OpenOffice PMC member but as I explained this is not an issue: the vote for electing the new Chair can take care of this detail (i.e., moving him from emeritus to active) too. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: html code generated from Open Office
Hi Howard, Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) schrieb: The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. Writer/Web is currently not maintained. For now, I have constructed html code to upload an html file generated by Open Office OpenOffice generates bad HTML using Writer/Web. and PHP code to tweak that code and download a better version. Everything I have doe so far is in the attached zzz.zip file. Explanations are in Readme.txt I would not go that way. I would have liked to have done this directly, but when I asked how to get there, I was directed to a site where I could download all the modules one by one, and there seemed to be hundreds of them and no indication what any of them contained with dubious directions how to put them together. This is not how I like to do things, so I went the other way for now. If you will improve the Writer/Web module, you need indeed work directly on the code. But if you do not like C++ coding and the effort of building your own OpenOffice, there are alternatives. OpenOffice has the ability to execute XSLT. Please open a text document and then try File Export type XHTML. You get a nice XHTML document. The shortcoming is, that it currently only supports simple structures, and that it is only for export, and import is missing. Goto Tools XML Filter Settings. That is the manager for XSLT filters. Find the XHTML XSLT files themselves in folder program/share/xslt/export/xhtml. Improving this XHTML filter might fit better to your interests. I seem to have run across documentation that Open Office puts its files internally into a XML format. If I could extract the XML directly from the .odt file I could do everything from there. Assuming that is true, is there an updated copy of https://www.openoffice.org/xml/xml_specification.pdf ? There will never be an update and it is not relevant for your purpose. It is the format, which belongs to the sxw (sxc, sxm, ...) files. That is the format OpenOffice1.1 had used, before ODF exists. OpenOffice uses ODF1.2 now, you have got some details already. Here the link to the specs https://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.2 I would hope that whoever is doing the documentation keeps that up to date. It will take me at least 20 hours to read that document, but at least I will retain most of it the first time. Other thoughts: What about using flat ODF1.2 (no container, but all in one file) directly and provide and add style sheets for the browsers? Or look, what the project http://webodf.org does, or other similar projects. Kind regards Regina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: html code generated from Open Office
I’d like to thank everyone for their suggestions. I think I will try Dennis Hamilton’s suggestions first. I will continue my conversion approach for a while just to get a better understanding of what is going on. When I get into the Open Office code, I will also try to look at the copy paste from a browser screen problem. I have done it myself a number of times and have seen more problems than reported. Open Office has trouble when I input an html file I have written, not unexpected. I think JavaScript is especially worrisome, maybe we could convert them to macros. I expect CSS is also a problem. I can adapt to most any computer language, but I will avoid APL (it’s code uses a lot of the Greek alphabet). If I ever fix this task, there is a copy paste from Calc to Writer I’d like to address. Currently, the copy paste ends up as an image in Writer, I’d like to see it changed to a table. The functions (macro anyone?) would get lost, but they are lost anyway now. I also remember seeing emails about trouble with Open Office Math. From using it, it looks like LaTex code. Editing Open Office Writer in Word and saving it in .odt format, the LaTex code gets changed. It would be nice if we added an insert a “Greek letter” as a Math options panel. If anyone wants to redo it, I know how to write math expressions using native html. Basically I use an (inline) table to hold all the symbols. I do realize that currently Open Office cannot have a table in the middle of a paragraph. However, I think we can sneak in a construct. Howard
Re: html code generated from Open Office
Thank you again, Brief comment. I know about MathML. Last time I tried it I ran into a browser that didn’t support it. Hmm, let the user get a better browser, they are cheap enough. In this case no need for full Unicode %beta becomes beta; in html. My comment on Greek letters is that the prompts do not tell about Greek letters. I had to use Google to find out about %beta in open office. I suspect there are those who will not be able to figure it out. Howard
Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair
On 01/06/2015 10:33 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 01/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Let's take several days, until 10 January, to receive nominations (or self-nominations) for the next PMC Chair. Just reply to this e-mail with nominations. We have 6 nominees so far, very good since all of them would be excellent choices. I'm now asking each of them to either accept or refuse the nomination by the 10 January deadline. Nominations are still open, but if you nominate someone I'll immediately refer to this mail and ask for a statement by 10 January too. As flattered as I am by this nomination, I feel I must refuse it. In an administrative sense, I would probably be a good chair, but at the current time, I think OpenOffice needs more than this from a chairperson. So, thanks Michal for your nomination, but I don't feel I'm the right fit. Each of the (current and future) nominees should answer this mail in public and state very briefly: 1) Whether he/she is available to run for election; the term is not set, but I expect an availability to stay in the role for at least one year. 2) Where his/her efforts will primarily be directed. 3) Regardless of whether one is running or not (and regardless of whether one is elected or not), it might be that some of the candidates wish to take responsibility for a certain area. This can be very good, since the project is huge and the Chair might miss some details. For example, Hagar often updates the draft quarterly report with information about the Forum (figures, issues...). If the Chair knows that someone commits to follow a certain area closely and to help in reporting, then reporting becomes a team work and can be much better than what we have done so far. I would be more than happy to participate in this fashion in whatever area is most needed. In the past I participated in board reporting, but I could certainly do other things as needed. The 6 nominees so far are, in alphabetical order: - janiJan Iversen - jsc Jürgen Schmidt - kschenk Kay Schenk - louis Louis Suarez-Potts - marcus Marcus Lange - robweir Rob Weir I'm hereby asking each of them (and any future nominees) to provide their statement by 10 January; those who already sent their statement are free to expand upon it according to the above guidelines if they wish. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK There's a bit of magic in everything, and some loss to even things out. -- Lou Reed - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: html code generated from Open Office
Just a short note about tables in paragraphs, ... -- replying below to -- From: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) [mailto:howard_cary_mor...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:41 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: html code generated from Open Office [ ... ] I also remember seeing emails about trouble with Open Office Math. From using it, it looks like LaTex code. orcmid Well, it looks a little like TeX, but it isn't TeX. It goes back to how StarMath was conceived. Regina can provide much more about that. /orcmid Editing Open Office Writer in Word and saving it in .odt format, the LaTex code gets changed. It would be nice if we added an insert a “Greek letter” as a Math options panel. If anyone wants to redo it, I know how to write math expressions using native html. Basically I use an (inline) table to hold all the symbols. I do realize that currently Open Office cannot have a table in the middle of a paragraph. However, I think we can sneak in a construct. orcmid In the ODF Schema, table elements are text-content, not paragraph-content. There are ways to introduce text content in certain paragraph-content elements, such as with text frames. If you want to roam around in the schema, this might be fun for you: http://nfoworks.org/notes/2014/05/n140504f.htm. However, I think using MathML and full Unicode for symbols may be better in that particular case. /orcmid Howard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Voting if More Than One Accepted Nomination for a new PMC Chair
Have we discussed Voting if there are multiple candidates? Perhaps Apache STeVe is an answer: http://steve.apache.org/ https://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting Regards, Dave On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 01/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Let's take several days, until 10 January, to receive nominations (or self-nominations) for the next PMC Chair. Just reply to this e-mail with nominations. We have 6 nominees so far, very good since all of them would be excellent choices. I'm now asking each of them to either accept or refuse the nomination by the 10 January deadline. Nominations are still open, but if you nominate someone I'll immediately refer to this mail and ask for a statement by 10 January too. Each of the (current and future) nominees should answer this mail in public and state very briefly: 1) Whether he/she is available to run for election; the term is not set, but I expect an availability to stay in the role for at least one year. 2) Where his/her efforts will primarily be directed. 3) Regardless of whether one is running or not (and regardless of whether one is elected or not), it might be that some of the candidates wish to take responsibility for a certain area. This can be very good, since the project is huge and the Chair might miss some details. For example, Hagar often updates the draft quarterly report with information about the Forum (figures, issues...). If the Chair knows that someone commits to follow a certain area closely and to help in reporting, then reporting becomes a team work and can be much better than what we have done so far. The 6 nominees so far are, in alphabetical order: - janiJan Iversen - jsc Jürgen Schmidt - kschenk Kay Schenk - louis Louis Suarez-Potts - marcus Marcus Lange - robweir Rob Weir I'm hereby asking each of them (and any future nominees) to provide their statement by 10 January; those who already sent their statement are free to expand upon it according to the above guidelines if they wish. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Voting if More Than One Accepted Nomination for a new PMC Chair
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Have we discussed Voting if there are multiple candidates? Perhaps Apache STeVe is an answer: http://steve.apache.org/ https://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting using STeVe is a good idea, a lot better than simple voting. I am not sure though if the tool can handle binding / non-binding votes. I am also the strong opinion that if number 1 and 2 are close (less than 3 votes apart), then we should vote again just with the top candidates. A chair need backing from the whole community not just a simple majority. rgds jan i Regards, Dave On Jan 6, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 01/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Let's take several days, until 10 January, to receive nominations (or self-nominations) for the next PMC Chair. Just reply to this e-mail with nominations. We have 6 nominees so far, very good since all of them would be excellent choices. I'm now asking each of them to either accept or refuse the nomination by the 10 January deadline. Nominations are still open, but if you nominate someone I'll immediately refer to this mail and ask for a statement by 10 January too. Each of the (current and future) nominees should answer this mail in public and state very briefly: 1) Whether he/she is available to run for election; the term is not set, but I expect an availability to stay in the role for at least one year. 2) Where his/her efforts will primarily be directed. 3) Regardless of whether one is running or not (and regardless of whether one is elected or not), it might be that some of the candidates wish to take responsibility for a certain area. This can be very good, since the project is huge and the Chair might miss some details. For example, Hagar often updates the draft quarterly report with information about the Forum (figures, issues...). If the Chair knows that someone commits to follow a certain area closely and to help in reporting, then reporting becomes a team work and can be much better than what we have done so far. The 6 nominees so far are, in alphabetical order: - janiJan Iversen - jsc Jürgen Schmidt - kschenk Kay Schenk - louis Louis Suarez-Potts - marcus Marcus Lange - robweir Rob Weir I'm hereby asking each of them (and any future nominees) to provide their statement by 10 January; those who already sent their statement are free to expand upon it according to the above guidelines if they wish. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org javascript:; - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org javascript:; For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org javascript:; -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
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Re: html code generated from Open Office
On 06/01/2015 Regina Henschel wrote: Howard Morris (aka Col Boogie) schrieb: The reason I joined Open Office was to enhance the html code generated from writer. ... OpenOffice has the ability to execute XSLT. Please open a text document and then try File Export type XHTML. You get a nice XHTML document. The shortcoming is, that it currently only supports simple structures, and that it is only for export, and import is missing. Goto Tools XML Filter Settings. That is the manager for XSLT filters. Find the XHTML XSLT files themselves in folder program/share/xslt/export/xhtml. Improving this XHTML filter might fit better to your interests. Regina wrote it much better, but this is what I meant when I wrote that you could hack the conversion files. See my FOSDEM slides for more (link in my other message) and if you go this way I can probably give you some further hints. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair
On 01/01/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Let's take several days, until 10 January, to receive nominations (or self-nominations) for the next PMC Chair. Just reply to this e-mail with nominations. We have 6 nominees so far, very good since all of them would be excellent choices. I'm now asking each of them to either accept or refuse the nomination by the 10 January deadline. Nominations are still open, but if you nominate someone I'll immediately refer to this mail and ask for a statement by 10 January too. Each of the (current and future) nominees should answer this mail in public and state very briefly: 1) Whether he/she is available to run for election; the term is not set, but I expect an availability to stay in the role for at least one year. 2) Where his/her efforts will primarily be directed. 3) Regardless of whether one is running or not (and regardless of whether one is elected or not), it might be that some of the candidates wish to take responsibility for a certain area. This can be very good, since the project is huge and the Chair might miss some details. For example, Hagar often updates the draft quarterly report with information about the Forum (figures, issues...). If the Chair knows that someone commits to follow a certain area closely and to help in reporting, then reporting becomes a team work and can be much better than what we have done so far. The 6 nominees so far are, in alphabetical order: - janiJan Iversen - jsc Jürgen Schmidt - kschenk Kay Schenk - louis Louis Suarez-Potts - marcus Marcus Lange - robweir Rob Weir I'm hereby asking each of them (and any future nominees) to provide their statement by 10 January; those who already sent their statement are free to expand upon it according to the above guidelines if they wish. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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