Re: Meeting at ApacheCon

[Alexandro Colorado]

Any pictures from the meetup?

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

> Hi-
> > On 01 Oct 2015, at 14:43, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> > It seems that several of us are (or are going to be) at ApacheCon Europe
> today y and tomorrow, but it's difficult to find people in the huge crowd.
> >
> > Louis suggested that we organize a meeting tomorrow morning (do you have
> any more details about proposed time/place, Louis?).
> >
> > I expect that we manage to find each other at the reception tonight
> anyway.
>
>
> We can try to meet up. I doubt we will have—nor should we—any conversation
> that would not be had in pubic, as on this list. It’s more to talk as
> easily as in-peson meetings can only make possible.
>
> But I think the issues are those that we all here are aware of. They are
> also public, or should be.
>
> Briefly:
>
> * We need developers. We need them to continue with the project, with what
> we’ve been doing for almost exactly 15 years (13 October), and we need them
> to address the needs that those who use OO (or LO) on a large scale really
> need.
>
> — those needs are, interoperability with MS OOXML and probably also the
> binary formats (.doc, etc.) and also collaboration—a vague term.
> We also need core developers who can initiate and then help lead new and
> interesting features that extend the reach of the ODF.
>
> The other big issue that we all have discussed relates to working with
> those at LibreOffice/TDF. I am aware of the issues and obstacles and also
> histories that obstruct the flows of community work. But the current
> situation is not really helping anyone and is confusing everyone. Even if
> issues like license, workflow culture, notions of community, etc. prevent
> actual collaboration on any but the most essential security issues, my
> guess is that we can probably help the larger community of OO/LO users by
> clarifying what our identities and differences are and what users can
> expect. We are both open source projects. We ought therefore to be able to
> be as transparent in these matters as we are in our code. And we owe it to
> the community of users who want to know what keeps us apart and why we
> can’t just get along.
>
> Of course, I hardly expect that we’ll have anything like an agreement on
> this matter tonight, should we even discuss it! And of course, any real,
> substantive discussion will necessarily include the community, else it
> won’t have happened.
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >  Andrea.
>
> Best,
> Louis
>
> PS I had a rather interesting discussion with several people on the state
> of the ODF today, at ApacheCon. Among them was Giovanni Grazia, who led the
> migration from MSFT 2003 to AOO of the significant Italian polity of
> Regione Emilia-Romagna. I’ll draft a short account of it as well as other
> elements that speak to the state of ODF today.
>



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Extension count

[Dennis Roczek]

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Hi everybody,

is there a possibility to get the total number of extension listed at
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ ? Maybe listed by category or
simply all? Are these numbers somewhere documented on a statistics page
(similar to MediaWiki's Special:Statistics page) or even a RSS feed?

Regards,

Dennis Roczek
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Re: [DISCUSS] Fwd: Re: FOSDEM 2016 - Call for Participation

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 06/10/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:

I'm going to submit a proposal for an ODF Editors devroom too, similar
to http://s.apache.org/ved (the one we sent last year).


This was sent yesterday. I didn't CC the list since submissions now 
happen through a web form, but content is not much different from the 
2015 submission linked above.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Starting Second Volunteer Orientation Module

[Lalith Ramesh]

I just finished this module.  I also updated the wiki to include the tasks
I can perform on this project.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> Thanks for the progress updates, Lalith!
>
> On 10/03/2015 12:00 PM, Lalith Ramesh wrote:
> > I'm done with the first new volunteer orientation module, and now I'm
> > starting the second one:  How the Apache OpenOffice Project Works.
> >
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> “The journey of a thousand miles begins
>  with a single step.”
>   --Lao Tzu
>
>
>

Re: Apache replacement

[toki]

On 10/10/15 13:48, donaldupre wrote:

>The decision making will stay with Apache.

There is nothing preventing an organization from collecting the source
code Apache releases, modifying it, and commercially distributing the
resulting program. As such, Apache's decision making becomes totally
irrelevant.

See for, example, EuroOffice.

jonathon

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Re: Meeting at ApacheCon

[Andrea Pescetti]

Alexandro Colorado wrote:

Any pictures from the meetup?


We didn't take any, I think. But Michal did take several other pictures 
(thank you Michal!) which he shared on this list a few days ago.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Hello

[JZA]

I advice to read the Andrew Macro (not the whole book) OpenOffice Macro
explain, is more of a reference book but read the first chapters to
understand the differences between VBA and AOO. I also recommend to
subscribe to the AOO Forum and check the Macros subforum.
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=19
http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Brenda Creegan 
wrote:

> I'm already familiar with programming in VBA (creating functions for Excel
> spreadsheets), but decided to switch to OpenOffice. I'm the type who will
> hack away at something until I figure it out. I've been using your wiki to
> learn how to use the API and UNO (which, I have to admit, initially left my
> head spinning). While using the wiki, I have found some spelling/grammar
> errors, and thought I'd give the wiki a hand with proofreading and editing.
> Brenda Creegan




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Re: building problems with recent changes -- /sal/qa/osl module

[Kay Schenk]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:

> The FreeBSD buildbot and 1 Linux buildbot have also been getting this, yet
> 2 of us now couldn't reproduce it.
>
> Please provide:
> * SVN revision
>

​I am at svn r1707659
​


> * full configure options
>
​the configuration I use --

./configure \
  --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu \
  --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu \
  --target=i686-pc-linux-gnu \
  --with-package-format="installed rpm" \
  --disable-ldap \
  --disable-beanshell \
  --with-jdk-home=/etc/alternatives/java_sdk_openjdk \
  --with-junit=/usr/share/java/junit4.jar \
  --without-stlport \
  --enable-category-b \
  --with-java \
  --with-ant-home=/opt/ant \
  --with-dmake-path=/usr/local/bin/dmake \
  --without-ppds \
  --with-epm-url="http://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
" \
  --with-lang="en-US" \
  --with-perl-home=/usr \
  --disable-directx \
  --enable-dbus \
  --enable-opengl \
  --disable-activex \
  --disable-atl \
  --disable-gnome-vfs \
  --enable-verbose \
  --with-x
​


> * the compile log from earlier on (containing the command run that produces
> that error)
>

​Compilation before the error attached --
​


>
> Thank you
> Damjan
>

​Thanks for looking into this. I may not be able to get back to it for a
couple of days.
​


>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > Hello --
> >
> > Currently, I am having problems building due to some recent changes in
> > sal/qa/osl/
> >
> >
> > sal/qa/osl/thread/test_thread.cxx seems to be successfully compiled but
> on
> > making qa_osl_thread, I am getting the following errors --
> >
> > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsalcpprt
> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> > dmake:  Error code 1, while making '../../../
> > unxlngi6.pro/bin/qa_osl_thread'
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --
>
>


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Hello

[Brenda Creegan]

I'm already familiar with programming in VBA (creating functions for Excel 
spreadsheets), but decided to switch to OpenOffice. I'm the type who will hack 
away at something until I figure it out. I've been using your wiki to learn how 
to use the API and UNO (which, I have to admit, initially left my head 
spinning). While using the wiki, I have found some spelling/grammar errors, and 
thought I'd give the wiki a hand with proofreading and editing.
Brenda Creegan

SNAPSHOT tag updated

[Andrea Pescetti]

I've spoken more on Bugzilla than on the list lately, so I'm now 
catching up and providing some more information.


As you may have noticed, the SNAPSHOT tag has been updated in 
preparation for a RC2 that will be available early next week.


This RC2 may be a release we vote on, since all blockers are now in. In 
other words, it's time to prepare for a release.


When RC2 binaries are available, early next week, I'll of course notify 
the lists. Until then, it is fine to keep testing RC1.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: SNAPSHOT tag updated

[Mathias Röllig]

Am 10.10.2015 um 09:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

I've spoken more on Bugzilla than on the list lately, so I'm now
catching up and providing some more information.

As you may have noticed, the SNAPSHOT tag has been updated in
preparation for a RC2 that will be available early next week.

This RC2 may be a release we vote on, since all blockers are now in. In
other words, it's time to prepare for a release.

When RC2 binaries are available, early next week, I'll of course notify
the lists. Until then, it is fine to keep testing RC1.


At the moment always
Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.2_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_de.tar.gz
is missing in
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.2-rc1-r1705606/binaries/de/

When will a build be available for testing?

Regards, Mathias

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Re: SNAPSHOT tag updated

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 10/10/2015 Mathias Röllig wrote:

At the moment always
Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.2_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_de.tar.gz
is missing in
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.2-rc1-r1705606/binaries/de/
When will a build be available for testing?


Those builds will come with RC2, it is easier to do so than re-upload 
the missing files in RC1.


If there interest in testing that version as soon as possible, I can 
probably make one RC2 installer (like: the 64-bit Linux DEB installer, 
German version) available for download from my people.apache.org space 
in a few hours. This is exactly the same file that will be on 
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/ when all builds are 
completed and uploaded. Do you want to have it available early?


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: SNAPSHOT tag updated

[Mathias Röllig]

At the moment always
Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.2_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_de.tar.gz
is missing in
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.2-rc1-r1705606/binaries/de/

When will a build be available for testing?


Those builds will come with RC2, it is easier to do so than re-upload
the missing files in RC1.

If there interest in testing that version as soon as possible, I can
probably make one RC2 installer (like: the 64-bit Linux DEB installer,
German version) available for download from my people.apache.org space
in a few hours. This is exactly the same file that will be on
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/ when all builds are
completed and uploaded. Do you want to have it available early?


If it will come with the other language versions it is OK.

Thank you!

Regards, Mathias

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Apache replacement

[donaldupre .]

Hi
What does it take to buy back OpenOffice from Apache?
I'm sure there are commercial entities that will be happy to develop it.
Apache isn't doing a great job...
Best regards,
Don
PS I don't want a merge with LibreOffice!

Re: SNAPSHOT tag updated

[Andrea Pescetti]

Andrea Pescetti wrote:

If there interest in testing that version as soon as possible, I can
probably make one RC2 installer (like: the 64-bit Linux DEB installer,
German version) available for download from my people.apache.org space


It was ready earlier than expected, so you can now find it at
http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/2015-10-412rc2-test/
(German version only).

This matches the current SNAPSHOT (i.e., 4.1.2-RC2) and it is exactly 
the same file you will find at 
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/ when 4.1.2-RC2 
binaries for all languages and variants have been built and uploaded.


Of course, the copy on people.apache.org will be removed in a few days, 
when 4.1.2-RC2 is announced.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Apache replacement

[Damjan Jovanovic]

Hi

OpenOffice is under a very liberal license: anyone can fork it and continue
developing it independently (eg. NeoOffice), there's nothing to be bought.

What are your exact problems with the job Apache is doing?

Regards
Damjan


On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, donaldupre .  wrote:

> Hi
> What does it take to buy back OpenOffice from Apache?
> I'm sure there are commercial entities that will be happy to develop it.
> Apache isn't doing a great job...
> Best regards,
> Don
> PS I don't want a merge with LibreOffice!
>

Re: Apache replacement

[donaldupre .]

There is the brand name "OpenOffice" to be bought.
The exact problems with Apache:
1. Lack of releases, should be 3-4 per year as minimum.
2. The tired and boring look and feel of the homepage, blog, facebook,
twitter.
3. Lack of innovation, the sidebar is not an example for innovation.
4. The lost contact with Linux distributions. all distributions ship
LibreOffice as default.
5. The limited documentation and user support in all forms.
6. The wrong emphasis on M$ formats compatibility, the reason OpenOffice
was invented was to rid the world from proprietary formats. If OpenOffice
fully supports these, what reason is there for anyone to use the open file
format?
Regards,
Don

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:

> Hi
>
> OpenOffice is under a very liberal license: anyone can fork it and continue
> developing it independently (eg. NeoOffice), there's nothing to be bought.
>
> What are your exact problems with the job Apache is doing?
>
> Regards
> Damjan
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 12:36 PM, donaldupre . 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > What does it take to buy back OpenOffice from Apache?
> > I'm sure there are commercial entities that will be happy to develop it.
> > Apache isn't doing a great job...
> > Best regards,
> > Don
> > PS I don't want a merge with LibreOffice!
> >
>

Re: Apache replacement

[donaldupre .]

Please allow me to clarify. According to your suggestion, the contributors
will be managed by Apache. The decision making will stay with Apache. But
apache proved to fail in those aspects...
About creating a derivative product, after reading so many comments and
opinions online suggesting a merge of OO and LO, introducing a third player
seems unreasonable.
I'm not affiliated with such a company and just raised an innocent question.
Regards,
Don

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
wrote:

> donaldupre . wrote:
>
>> What does it take to buy back OpenOffice from Apache?
>> I'm sure there are commercial entities that will be happy to develop it.
>>
>
> Those entities can ask their employees to contribute to OpenOffice, and
> help shape the project with their contributions. This addresses all items
> in your list (then some of them are debatable, but I'm not going to discuss
> them in detail).
>
> The license allows companies to create derivative products and choose
> distribution terms for those, as Damjan noted. The trademark policy
> regulates how a company can use the "OpenOffice" trademark in derivatives.
> All information you need is available on, or from, the
> http://openoffice.apache.org/ website.
>
> I'll just note that none of the actions you list is incompatible with
> Apache: the company contributes their employees' time to the project and
> profits by selling support, or additional services, or customized versions.
> This is very common and successful in other Apache projects. If you have
> contacts with interested companies, just ask them to come to this list and
> start contributing!
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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