Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites

[Roberto Galoppini]

2016-05-20 23:36 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk :

>
>
> On 05/20/2016 02:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I don't want to get too fussy, but we are talking about different
>> statistics here.  Comment inline.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 09:54
>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/20/2016 09:27 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>
 Guys, please ...

 I just wanted to give a short update into my investigation of our
>
 Google
>>>
 Analytics usage.
>
> ...
>
> * There IS general individual usage collection in some reports but
>
 the
>>>
 "user" information is translated into something called a "client id"
> -- so
> not by IP.
>

 Let's just not be naive here. We are giving direct information about

>>> our
>>>
 users to
 a company that has ample power to tie this information to specific

>>> users
>>>
 and
 that already may own the content of your emails and navigation

>>> history.
>>>

 Ever heard of Big Data? This information will be correlated along with
 the latest
 searches and will be sold for commercial value to other companies and
 will also
 likely be available to the governments of the world at request. For
 whatever
 Mr. Trump may find it useful is another matter.

>>>
>>> I understand broadly what your concerns are. But really, in this day and
>>> age, almost ANY website you visit has some sort of tracking mechanisnm
>>> in place. Next time you "visit" anywhere, you might want to check this.
>>>
>>>
 Worst of all, we are not getting any value from this tracking ...

>>> let's
>>>
 stop it now.

>>>
>>> Well this last statement is NOT true. For the download page especially,
>>> it is valuable because we can find out generally what OS the user is
>>> using, complete with version information. I mean in a bulk sense.
>>>
>> [orcmid]
>>
>> I get all of the download statistics I see from SourceForge.  That is
>> based on the downloads they serve and should have nothing to do with what
>> we do on our web pages with regard to Google Analytics, etc.
>>
>> Knowing the browser information, including default OS and language
>> preference, is different than knowing what download, if any, they are
>> requesting.  I suspect SourceForge has that information on the
>> click-throughs to where they serve the requests, whether or not we provide
>> tracking on the AOO pages.
>>
>
> That is correct. So whatever is "collected" from the download page vis a
> vis browser, OS, OS version, etc, would be the same OS version info that
> would be available for collection by SourceForge. But, I don't know what
> SourceForge collects in this regard, if anything. What we see from that
> site is downloads based on filename. They may not be saving any of the
> client information.
>
> Of course, the visits to www.openoffice.org/download do NOT automatically
> translate to an actual download.


Correct, conversion rate needs to be checked end-to-end.

Also considering we're a pretty unique Apache project in terms of download
volumes, we should always be on top of both analytics and detailed data
(e.g. not only # daily downloads but also peak hours volumes). I remember
the days when we didn't have a clue about those figures and sizing
infrastructure for AOOE/T was just a guess work.

Roberto



>
>
>
>>>
>>>
 Pedro.


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites

[Kay Schenk]

On 05/20/2016 02:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

I don't want to get too fussy, but we are talking about different statistics 
here.  Comment inline.


-Original Message-
From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 09:54
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites



On 05/20/2016 09:27 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Guys, please ...


I just wanted to give a short update into my investigation of our

Google

Analytics usage.

...

* There IS general individual usage collection in some reports but

the

"user" information is translated into something called a "client id"
-- so
not by IP.


Let's just not be naive here. We are giving direct information about

our

users to
a company that has ample power to tie this information to specific

users

and
that already may own the content of your emails and navigation

history.


Ever heard of Big Data? This information will be correlated along with
the latest
searches and will be sold for commercial value to other companies and
will also
likely be available to the governments of the world at request. For
whatever
Mr. Trump may find it useful is another matter.


I understand broadly what your concerns are. But really, in this day and
age, almost ANY website you visit has some sort of tracking mechanisnm
in place. Next time you "visit" anywhere, you might want to check this.



Worst of all, we are not getting any value from this tracking ...

let's

stop it now.


Well this last statement is NOT true. For the download page especially,
it is valuable because we can find out generally what OS the user is
using, complete with version information. I mean in a bulk sense.

[orcmid]

I get all of the download statistics I see from SourceForge.  That is based on 
the downloads they serve and should have nothing to do with what we do on our 
web pages with regard to Google Analytics, etc.

Knowing the browser information, including default OS and language preference, 
is different than knowing what download, if any, they are requesting.  I 
suspect SourceForge has that information on the click-throughs to where they 
serve the requests, whether or not we provide tracking on the AOO pages.


That is correct. So whatever is "collected" from the download page vis a 
vis browser, OS, OS version, etc, would be the same OS version info that 
would be available for collection by SourceForge. But, I don't know what 
SourceForge collects in this regard, if anything. What we see from that 
site is downloads based on filename. They may not be saving any of the 
client information.


Of course, the visits to www.openoffice.org/download do NOT 
automatically translate to an actual download.







Pedro.



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MzK

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RE: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I don't want to get too fussy, but we are talking about different statistics 
here.  Comment inline.

> -Original Message-
> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 09:54
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/20/2016 09:27 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> > Guys, please ...
> >
> >> I just wanted to give a short update into my investigation of our
> Google
> >> Analytics usage.
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >> * There IS general individual usage collection in some reports but
> the
> >> "user" information is translated into something called a "client id"
> >> -- so
> >> not by IP.
> >
> > Let's just not be naive here. We are giving direct information about
> our
> > users to
> > a company that has ample power to tie this information to specific
> users
> > and
> > that already may own the content of your emails and navigation
> history.
> >
> > Ever heard of Big Data? This information will be correlated along with
> > the latest
> > searches and will be sold for commercial value to other companies and
> > will also
> > likely be available to the governments of the world at request. For
> > whatever
> > Mr. Trump may find it useful is another matter.
> 
> I understand broadly what your concerns are. But really, in this day and
> age, almost ANY website you visit has some sort of tracking mechanisnm
> in place. Next time you "visit" anywhere, you might want to check this.
> 
> >
> > Worst of all, we are not getting any value from this tracking ...
> let's
> > stop it now.
> 
> Well this last statement is NOT true. For the download page especially,
> it is valuable because we can find out generally what OS the user is
> using, complete with version information. I mean in a bulk sense.
[orcmid] 

I get all of the download statistics I see from SourceForge.  That is based on 
the downloads they serve and should have nothing to do with what we do on our 
web pages with regard to Google Analytics, etc.

Knowing the browser information, including default OS and language preference, 
is different than knowing what download, if any, they are requesting.  I 
suspect SourceForge has that information on the click-throughs to where they 
serve the requests, whether or not we provide tracking on the AOO pages.
> 
> 
> >
> > Pedro.
> >
> 
> --
> 
> MzK
> 
> "Time spent with cats is never wasted."
> -- Sigmund Freud
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites

[Pedro Giffuni]

In reply to Kay;
...


Ever heard of Big Data? This information will be correlated along with
the latest
searches and will be sold for commercial value to other companies and
will also
likely be available to the governments of the world at request. For
whatever
Mr. Trump may find it useful is another matter.


I understand broadly what your concerns are. But really, in this day and
age, almost ANY website you visit has some sort of tracking mechanisnm
in place. Next time you "visit" anywhere, you might want to check this.



That others do it, doesn't mean we should. Do we at least respect the 
"do not track" settings in the browser?




Worst of all, we are not getting any value from this tracking ... let's
stop it now.


Well this last statement is NOT true. For the download page especially,
it is valuable because we can find out generally what OS the user is
using, complete with version information. I mean in a bulk sense.



How valuable is that? How does us it bring us any nearer towards having
an Android/iOS port? We already have counts from downloads statistics
and we know at least 80% of our users get the Windows port.

Pedro.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites

[Kay Schenk]

On 05/20/2016 09:27 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Guys, please ...


I just wanted to give a short update into my investigation of our Google
Analytics usage.

...

* There IS general individual usage collection in some reports but the
"user" information is translated into something called a "client id"
-- so
not by IP.


Let's just not be naive here. We are giving direct information about our
users to
a company that has ample power to tie this information to specific users
and
that already may own the content of your emails and navigation history.

Ever heard of Big Data? This information will be correlated along with
the latest
searches and will be sold for commercial value to other companies and
will also
likely be available to the governments of the world at request. For
whatever
Mr. Trump may find it useful is another matter.


I understand broadly what your concerns are. But really, in this day and 
age, almost ANY website you visit has some sort of tracking mechanisnm 
in place. Next time you "visit" anywhere, you might want to check this.




Worst of all, we are not getting any value from this tracking ... let's
stop it now.


Well this last statement is NOT true. For the download page especially, 
it is valuable because we can find out generally what OS the user is 
using, complete with version information. I mean in a bulk sense.





Pedro.



--

MzK

"Time spent with cats is never wasted."
   -- Sigmund Freud

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites

[Pedro Giffuni]

Guys, please ...


I just wanted to give a short update into my investigation of our Google
Analytics usage.

...

* There IS general individual usage collection in some reports but the
"user" information is translated into something called a "client id" -- so
not by IP.


Let's just not be naive here. We are giving direct information about our 
users to

a company that has ample power to tie this information to specific users and
that already may own the content of your emails and navigation history.

Ever heard of Big Data? This information will be correlated along with 
the latest
searches and will be sold for commercial value to other companies and 
will also

likely be available to the governments of the world at request. For whatever
Mr. Trump may find it useful is another matter.

Worst of all, we are not getting any value from this tracking ... let's 
stop it now.


Pedro.

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RE: images

[Pedro Giffuni]

FWIW;


The Galleries are not produced and maintained by Apache OpenOffice.  The 
catalog and collection
of clipart downloads are maintained as a service between Apache OpenOffice and 
SourceForge.

The images are from third parties.  Gallery sets/extensions are offered under 
licenses specified
by their originators.  There is no blanket license.
I recall at least the galleries donated by IBM's Symphony and those that 
came from SUN are

under an Apache License.

Pedro.

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RE: images

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Helen,

The Galleries are not produced and maintained by Apache OpenOffice.  The 
catalog and collection of clipart downloads are maintained as a service between 
Apache OpenOffice and SourceForge.

The images are from third parties.  Gallery sets/extensions are offered under 
licenses specified by their originators.  There is no blanket license.

See .  

On the extensions site, there is no identification of the licenses for 
individual extensions.  If installation of an extension does not present a 
license for your agreement, you will need to contact the originator for license 
information.

It may be easier to use one of the public web sites that provides general clip 
art for free use.   

The note from Gerry Dutchie provides some useful suggestions.  You can perform 
an internet search for most of the names.

 - Dennis



> -Original Message-
> From: Gerry Dutchie [mailto:wingb...@yahoo.com.INVALID]
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 23:39
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: images
> 
> Hi Collegue!
> 
> I also used to work a long time as English teacher... ;-)))
> Don't know about OpenOffice free use of graphic materials, but there are
> a lot of free sources available on the internet:
> Clipart - High Quality, Easy to Use, Free Support
> Free stock photos · Pexels
> 
> 
> |   |
> |   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
> | Clipart - High Quality, Easy to Use, Free SupportClipart for you in
> 2016 - Free for commercial and non-commercial use. All clipart with
> transparency, scaling to any size you want. Free Requests. |
> |  |
> | View on openclipart.org | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> |   |
> 
> 
> |   |
> |   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
> | Free stock photos · PexelsFree stock photos you can use everywhere. ✓
> Free for commercial use ✓ No attribution required |
> |  |
> | View on www.pexels.com | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> |   |
> 
> 
> Also check out this site:
> 14 Amazingly Free Stock Photo Websites
> 
> |   |
> |   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
> | 14 Amazingly Free Stock Photo WebsitesLooking for the perfect image
> for your next project? Try some of these free online resources. |
> |  |
> | View on www.entrepreneur.com | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> |   |
> 
> 
> In general, search for "free stock" or "creative commons".
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Gerrit
> 
> 
> On Friday, 20 May 2016, 8:20, Helen Karpinskaya
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Dear Apache OpenOffice,
> 
> I'm an English teacher from Kiev, Ukraine. I'm currently working on
> creating course books for learning English, and wish to publish them.
> 
> Could you tell me if I can use your images from the gallery (e.g.:
> people,
> computers, signs, etc.) in my book or can I have your permission for
> this?
> 
> I look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Helen
> 
> 
> 


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Re: images

[JZA]

Hi Gerry, Apache OpenOffice default cliparts are Creative Commons, also
there is an OpenClipArt site where you can get all the cliparts you need on
SVG or PNG.
https://openclipart.org/

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Gerry Dutchie 
wrote:

> Hi Collegue!
>
> I also used to work a long time as English teacher... ;-)))
> Don't know about OpenOffice free use of graphic materials, but there are a
> lot of free sources available on the internet:
> Clipart - High Quality, Easy to Use, Free Support
> Free stock photos · Pexels
>
>
> |   |
> |   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
> | Clipart - High Quality, Easy to Use, Free SupportClipart for you in 2016
> - Free for commercial and non-commercial use. All clipart with
> transparency, scaling to any size you want. Free Requests. |
> |  |
> | View on openclipart.org | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> |   |
>
>
> |   |
> |   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
> | Free stock photos · PexelsFree stock photos you can use everywhere. ✓
> Free for commercial use ✓ No attribution required |
> |  |
> | View on www.pexels.com | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> |   |
>
>
> Also check out this site:
> 14 Amazingly Free Stock Photo Websites
>
> |   |
> |   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
> | 14 Amazingly Free Stock Photo WebsitesLooking for the perfect image for
> your next project? Try some of these free online resources. |
> |  |
> | View on www.entrepreneur.com | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> |   |
>
>
> In general, search for "free stock" or "creative commons".
>
> Good luck!
>
> Gerrit
>
>
> On Friday, 20 May 2016, 8:20, Helen Karpinskaya <
> helenkarpinsk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Dear Apache OpenOffice,
>
> I'm an English teacher from Kiev, Ukraine. I'm currently working on
> creating course books for learning English, and wish to publish them.
>
> Could you tell me if I can use your images from the gallery (e.g.: people,
> computers, signs, etc.) in my book or can I have your permission for this?
>
> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Thank you
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Helen
>
>
>
>



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