Re: Status of ASF Ubuntu Buildbots

[Marcus]

Am 09/10/2016 03:51 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

Gavin McDonald wrote:

I’ve been working on creating replacement VMs for the deprecated Tethys


Thanks a lot. This is really much appreciated.


yes, thanks so much for helping us with the buildbots.


I reduced the frequency of some builds - I mean why spend 9 hours
building and uploading language packs every single day, there is
no need - especially from the aoo410 branch thats seen like 2 commits
in 9 months!


Well, this is correct SO FAR... but now we will definitely need to build
AOO410 often for 4.1.3, so a daily run would make sense as of now.


Or AOO413 as it will be now. With more commits than in the past a higher 
build frequency makes sense now.


Marcus


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[discussion] OO development next steps

[Peter Kovacs]

I am sorry for the chaos. I changed the Topic.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan > wrote:


In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get all 
the changes checked in. After than, the more building and testing the 
better.
I prepare to be ready to testbuild OO. And I prepare some tests based on 
the 4.1.3 marked Issues.



On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan > wrote:


There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without 
requiring immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested to 
see if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to 
reproduce it, the bug report needs a comment saying so and requesting 
additional information. If you can reproduce a bug you can do as much 
analysis as you have time for.

Okay will try to confirm some bugs and start with rated P1 Defects ones.

On 11.09.2016 16:49, JZA wrote:

Bare in mind most of AOO is based on C++ code. So this would be most 
of the actual development time. There are many bugs that have been 
documentated, so before squashing them, you should read the wiki and 
also consult the list for possible outdated documentation. This is one 
of the biggest hurdles to get really into AOO.
I checked today the Wiki. It was very confusing to me. "Development" 
seems to think more on Extending OOo in the sense of an Extension. It is 
not so much focusing on OOo Code itself. So I am not sure what you refer 
to JZL. Is there any Layer or architectural description on the C++ code 
on the Wiki?


All the best

Peter

All the best

4.1.3_release_blocker requested: [Issue 126622] Base 4.1.2 does not open Tables and Queries in Mac OSX

[bugzilla]

Andrea Pescetti  has asked  for 4.1.3_release_blocker:
Issue 126622: Base 4.1.2 does not open Tables and Queries in Mac OSX
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126622



--- Comment #19 from Andrea Pescetti  ---
This is the only known regression in 4.1.2. Even tough I see no patches
attached, it's increasingly clear that Ariel's test build fixes the issue for
the users who reported it. This deserves to be considered for 4.1.3 - even
though more details about Ariel's fix would be needed.

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Re: How do all the binaries get built?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Patricia Shanahan wrote:

Volunteers to do the building?


I can help with linux-64 builds based on the information shared by Ariel 
about the existing setup of his CentOS 5 VMs (of course, Ariel himself 
could probably do it too; but it is good to split tasks so that the 
number of people capable to build releases increases).


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: How do all the binaries get built?

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 9/11/2016 12:50 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Patricia Shanahan wrote:

What has to be done, in what sorts of environments, to generate all the
binaries?
Does, for example, building all the language versions for OSX have to be
done on a Mac, or can one take some language files and some OSX files
and combine them on a Windows machine?


The reference environments are listed at
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/build-scripts/4.1.2/
(see the environments.txt file).

We use:
- CentOS 5 32-bit to build RPMs and DEBs 32-bit
- CentOS 5 64-bit to build RPMs and DEBs 64-bit
- MacOS X for Mac builds
- Windows 7 for Windows builds


The only one of those environments that I have is an elderly Windows 7 
laptop with limited disk space.


Volunteers to do the building?



In short there is no cross-compiling. The only adaptation we do is to
build both RPMs and DEBs for Linux on the same system.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: How do all the binaries get built?

[Andrea Pescetti]

Patricia Shanahan wrote:

What has to be done, in what sorts of environments, to generate all the
binaries?
Does, for example, building all the language versions for OSX have to be
done on a Mac, or can one take some language files and some OSX files
and combine them on a Windows machine?


The reference environments are listed at 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/devtools/build-scripts/4.1.2/ 
(see the environments.txt file).


We use:
- CentOS 5 32-bit to build RPMs and DEBs 32-bit
- CentOS 5 64-bit to build RPMs and DEBs 64-bit
- MacOS X for Mac builds
- Windows 7 for Windows builds

In short there is no cross-compiling. The only adaptation we do is to 
build both RPMs and DEBs for Linux on the same system.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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RE: Bug#837178: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: All memory and swap is used up until system freezes

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Hutchings [mailto:b...@decadent.org.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 18:11
> To: Jose R R ; 837...@bugs.debian.org; Wolfgang
> Tichy 
> Cc: dev 
> Subject: Re: Bug#837178: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64: All memory and swap
> is used up until system freezes
> 
> On Sat, 2016-09-10 at 17:37 -0700, Jose R R wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Wolfgang Tichy 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Package: src:linux
> > > Version: 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3
> > > Severity: critical
> > > Tags: security
> > > Justification: causes serious data loss
> > >
> > > Dear Maintainer,
> > >
> > > when I open a particular word document (it contains images and I
> > > can send it
> > > to you for testing) with libreoffice, all memory and all swap get
> > > used up
> > > within about a minute.
> >
> > You may want to *narrow down* your memory issue by trying out Apache
> > OpenOffice:
> >
> > Download: https://openoffice.org/download/
> [...]
> 
> Please, we don't need advocacy for rival software in the Debian BTS.
[orcmid] 

I agree completely, Ben.

I don't understand at all how dev@oo.a.o became included in this, since it has 
nothing to do with development at Apache OpenOffice.

My reading of the quoted "narrow down" was as a suggestion for forensic 
purposes, the same way I test apparent problem documents with different 
products to see if there is anything in the pattern that gives me clue about 
what the defect might be.  And even so, there is no reason that the dev@ 
openoffice.apache.org list be cross-posted.

I am told that a document-forensic suggestion was not the intention.

In that case I want to make it clear that the ASF is completely ecumenical 
about open-source software projects, sees forking as a feature, and does not 
participate in advocacy of one project over another.  So, in accordance with 
the ASF operating as a US charity that provides free software as a public good, 
the Apache OpenOffice project does not concern itself about "rival software."  

Individuals have their own positions, sometimes rooted deeply in the past, and 
that shows up on various lists.  Those are not official positions, whatever the 
association of the advocate with Apache projects.

That the technical analysis on behalf of an issue on the Debian Bug Tracking 
System was used in this manner is unfortunate and regrettable.  It was also 
inappropriate that the dev@ openoffice.apache.org list was also so abused.

I trust we can remove the cross-posting now and Debian developers can return to 
their important business without this distraction.

 - Dennis E. Hamilton
   ASF Vice President for Apache OpenOffice
   Chair of the AOO Project Management Committee

> 
> Ben.
> 
> --
> Ben Hutchings
> Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of old
> ones.


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Re: ooo-site "Participation/Help-Wanted" structure (was RE: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?)

[Marcus]

Am 09/07/2016 10:15 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 09/07/2016 09:56 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:




-Original Message-
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:02
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: ooo-site "Participation/Help-Wanted" structure (was RE:
What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?)

Am 09/05/2016 12:49 AM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:

[ ... ]

3d. My second question is, why is

not, the material at

 used. That page was
created in August 2013 (also by robweir) and has been part of fixes made
as recently as 2014. This xx area is perfect for localization usage,
and would allow others to create localized versions, it seems to me.

Again, if this folder is not actually used on the site, should it

not be deleted from the current SVN trunk?

My preference would be for the xx to be used so that the

opportunity for localizations in other languages, not just German, could
be handled in what appears to be the standard way.

I don't know. I think it was simply not used. If there was a decision
then it is years ago. But you are contributor as long as me for this
project. So, you could know it also - or even not. ;-)

I know we had decided that we use the w.oo.o domain for the software and
just a little for the project. With oo.a.o it was the opposite. Over the
years this limitation got a bit more fuzzy and the both webpages can be
one of this fuzziness.

In order to anticipate your next question:

Yes, we can change it. I would also go for the
"xx/participate/index.mdtext" webpage as it can be localized and
integrated into the localized webpages. Then the user can get approached
in their own language which is - of course - more effective than to
speak in English only.

[orcmid]

Great! I think that would be a better way forward.


to start a bit easier I would first copy & paste the content from
"get-involved.html". Put the - now known - main problems and
requirements first und put thinks like donation at the bottom. And then
add new things into the right order.

If there is no volunteer faster, then I will start beginning or at the
weekend.


on a second look the both pages [1] and [2] are very similar. So, I have 
updated just a few things and kept them equal. If there is more to do 
just give me a hint.


[1] http://www.openoffice.org/xx/participate/index.html
[2] http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html

Marcus

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Re: I want to support OO development

[Peter Kovacs]

sure. One step after another.

Thanks the welcome :-)

On 11.09.2016 16:49, JZA wrote:
Bare in mind most of AOO is based on C++ code. So this would be most 
of the actual development time. There are many bugs that have been 
documentated, so before squashing them, you should read the wiki and 
also consult the list for possible outdated documentation. This is one 
of the biggest hurdles to get really into AOO.


On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan > wrote:


Welcome aboard!

On 9/11/2016 3:40 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello Open Office Dev Community,

Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank
you for this
activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and
therefore can not
join the list or help.
However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete
week now. So
I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for
Apache Open
Office.
The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am
still working
on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to
move up
to 8h.
However I have to solve some other topics for this.


Whatever time you can spend will be useful and valued.

...

Long story short. I know
# a lot of languages badly
# a language that is itself a mess.
# how to development in crappy envoirments.

I value
# maintainability
# necessary documentation
# comments
# smart easy to use code.

I would privatly like to achieve to improve
 #  build times
 #  maintainability


In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely
valuable. That would make it easier to convert initial interest to
long term contributions.

In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get
all the changes checked in. After than, the more building and
testing the better.

I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for
Windows,

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1

.
They should be tested by building on a machine that has not
previously been used to build OpenOffice.

There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without
requiring immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested
to see if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to
reproduce it, the bug report needs a comment saying so and
requesting additional information. If you can reproduce a bug you
can do as much analysis as you have time for.

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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A  3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF

Re: I want to support OO development

[JZA]

Bare in mind most of AOO is based on C++ code. So this would be most of the
actual development time. There are many bugs that have been documentated,
so before squashing them, you should read the wiki and also consult the
list for possible outdated documentation. This is one of the biggest
hurdles to get really into AOO.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> Welcome aboard!
>
> On 9/11/2016 3:40 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>
>> Hello Open Office Dev Community,
>>
>> Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank you for this
>> activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and therefore can not
>> join the list or help.
>> However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete week now. So
>> I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for Apache Open
>> Office.
>> The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am still working
>> on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to move up
>> to 8h.
>> However I have to solve some other topics for this.
>>
>
> Whatever time you can spend will be useful and valued.
>
> ...
>
>> Long story short. I know
>> # a lot of languages badly
>> # a language that is itself a mess.
>> # how to development in crappy envoirments.
>>
>> I value
>> # maintainability
>> # necessary documentation
>> # comments
>> # smart easy to use code.
>>
>> I would privatly like to achieve to improve
>>  #  build times
>>  #  maintainability
>>
>
> In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely valuable.
> That would make it easier to convert initial interest to long term
> contributions.
>
> In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get all the
> changes checked in. After than, the more building and testing the better.
>
> I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for Windows,
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guid
> e_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1. They should be tested by
> building on a machine that has not previously been used to build OpenOffice.
>
> There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without requiring
> immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested to see
> if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to reproduce it, the
> bug report needs a comment saying so and requesting additional information.
> If you can reproduce a bug you can do as much analysis as you have time for.
>
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>


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Re: I want to support OO development

[Patricia Shanahan]

Welcome aboard!

On 9/11/2016 3:40 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hello Open Office Dev Community,

Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank you for this
activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and therefore can not
join the list or help.
However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete week now. So
I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for Apache Open
Office.
The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am still working
on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to move up
to 8h.
However I have to solve some other topics for this.


Whatever time you can spend will be useful and valued.

...

Long story short. I know
# a lot of languages badly
# a language that is itself a mess.
# how to development in crappy envoirments.

I value
# maintainability
# necessary documentation
# comments
# smart easy to use code.

I would privatly like to achieve to improve
 #  build times
 #  maintainability


In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely valuable. 
That would make it easier to convert initial interest to long term 
contributions.


In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get all 
the changes checked in. After than, the more building and testing the 
better.


I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for 
Windows, 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1. 
They should be tested by building on a machine that has not previously 
been used to build OpenOffice.


There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without 
requiring immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at 
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested to 
see if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to reproduce 
it, the bug report needs a comment saying so and requesting additional 
information. If you can reproduce a bug you can do as much analysis as 
you have time for.


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I want to support OO development

[Peter Kovacs]

Hello Open Office Dev Community,

Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank you for this 
activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and therefore can not 
join the list or help.
However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete week now. So 
I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for Apache Open 
Office.
The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am still working 
on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to move up 
to 8h.

However I have to solve some other topics for this.

I worked for the last 10 Years as a BI specialist consultant with focus 
on a language called SAS. I am experienced SQL Scripter.
In my last project I had to take over a simple .net Program because the 
originated Programmer could not be further payed.
I wrote once a Java Application in order to give a customer an easy tool 
to verify the Outcome of a delivery.

I even had to document a COBOL Programm once.
My Diploma thesis involved a webapp Application written in php and perl 
(ver. 5).

I was messing around with python for a while and I am a big fan of Ceylon.

And most important since my study times I now and then mess around with 
c++. I am a big fan of Bjarne Stroustrup " A tour of C++" and still 
trying to understand Alexandrescu " Modern c++ design"

So I hope no one minds if I try to utilize this knowledge.

I am long time user of Open Office and its derivate Libre Office. So I 
am quite proficient with it as a user. (However I have to admit I am 
latly useing mostly Microsoft products due business focus.)
I am german nativ speaker, with acceptable english skills. And I have 
some crappy hungarian skill. ;)


I even have a "build experience" of Open Office. Back in 2005 (I think) 
I was a big fan of Gentoo. I even build Open Office from source code. It 
just took me 11h compile time on a Athlon XP System. Which was the 
longest compile effort I had to wait for back then. lol! (The credits go 
to the awesome Gentoo distribution, my effort was only the patience to 
wait that the update finishes.)


Long story short. I know
# a lot of languages badly
# a language that is itself a mess.
# how to development in crappy envoirments.

I value
# maintainability
# necessary documentation
# comments
# smart easy to use code.

I would privatly like to achieve to improve
 #  build times
 #  maintainability

This is my 3rd Open Office Project I was involved.
# piArmada I want to produce a follow up version. But I lack the skills, 
and it is hard to build skill alone.
# AutoRealm, I supported a redevelopment a little bit. However I did not 
feel very comfortable due to my rather low c++ skill.


My suggestiones I send to Dennis are still valid for me. They should 
give orientation what I prefer, but I think I am the Noob here, and it 
is not my place to decide. Maybe when I have manged to build some 
reputation I will bring one or the other topic up.
Reference: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg28377.html


I use Arch Linux on an ASUS Ultrabook which is my devlopment machine, 
since it has the best hardware.

I own a macbook air from 2009  and Windows 10 on a desktop system.

So I suggest I start with trying to buid OO on the Mac. See how this 
goes. I had the impression this could be a quick win for the project and 
a good entry point for me.

If someone has a different Idea, I am open for discussion or swap focus.

So Here I am at your service. :-D
I am looking very much to code with you.

All the best.
Peter