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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Dave Fisher

We must not block 4.1.4. We must release soon.

Regards,
Dave

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> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:36 PM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> 
> The process is, we vote, then get Infra to switch us.
> 
> Many big and small Apache projects have switched to Git, eg. Apache Commons.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 4:26 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
>> 
>> I would like to add one more condition: We should not move until the
>> process we will use has been applied successfully to smaller projects.
>> 
>> I am relatively neutral on the choice of repository, and a lot of people
>> seem to like Git.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/14/2017 11:16 AM, Marcus wrote:
>>> 
>>> Even when I'm not a real developer, please let me add some points:
>>> 
>>> IMHO we could switch when
>>> 
>>> - ASF Infra can and will support it
>>> - the CMS (it manages the webpages) is supporting Git
>>> - the big majority of us is wanting Git
>>> - it is known how and save that the SVN commit history can be migrated
>>>   to Git
>>> 
>>> PS:
>>> As Apache project the code has to be at the ASF. I think it's not
>>> possible to store it somewhere else like, e.g., GitHub.
>>> 
>>> Marcus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Am 14.09.2017 um 19:24 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
 
 
> On 14.09.2017 13:10, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's
> source?
> 
> I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays,
> by
> far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and
> IDEs
> support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016).
> It
> would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
> git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects,
> it
> would integrate with GitHub better, etc.
> 
> What do people think?
> 
> Damjan
> 
> As much as I prefer GIT for Codemaintenance, I think the central REPO
 should be maintained by Apache Infra.
 If Infra can move to git, fine. If they do not support it, it is also
 fine to me.
 
 I am at -1 to have our official REPO on GITHUB or another service
 provider.
 
 And I am not sure if we can not work around the problem to commit to SVN
 from a GIT repo.
 Have to check.
 
 
 All the best
 Peter
 
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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Damjan Jovanovic

The process is, we vote, then get Infra to switch us.

Many big and small Apache projects have switched to Git, eg. Apache Commons.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 4:26 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> I would like to add one more condition: We should not move until the
> process we will use has been applied successfully to smaller projects.
>
> I am relatively neutral on the choice of repository, and a lot of people
> seem to like Git.
>
>
> On 9/14/2017 11:16 AM, Marcus wrote:
>
>> Even when I'm not a real developer, please let me add some points:
>>
>> IMHO we could switch when
>>
>> - ASF Infra can and will support it
>> - the CMS (it manages the webpages) is supporting Git
>> - the big majority of us is wanting Git
>> - it is known how and save that the SVN commit history can be migrated
>>to Git
>>
>> PS:
>> As Apache project the code has to be at the ASF. I think it's not
>> possible to store it somewhere else like, e.g., GitHub.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 14.09.2017 um 19:24 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>
>>>
>>> On 14.09.2017 13:10, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
>>>
 Hi

 Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's
 source?

 I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays,
 by
 far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and
 IDEs
 support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016).
 It
 would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
 git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects,
 it
 would integrate with GitHub better, etc.

 What do people think?

 Damjan

 As much as I prefer GIT for Codemaintenance, I think the central REPO
>>> should be maintained by Apache Infra.
>>> If Infra can move to git, fine. If they do not support it, it is also
>>> fine to me.
>>>
>>> I am at -1 to have our official REPO on GITHUB or another service
>>> provider.
>>>
>>> And I am not sure if we can not work around the problem to commit to SVN
>>> from a GIT repo.
>>> Have to check.
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Peter
>>>
>>
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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Patricia Shanahan

I would like to add one more condition: We should not move until the 
process we will use has been applied successfully to smaller projects.


I am relatively neutral on the choice of repository, and a lot of people 
seem to like Git.


On 9/14/2017 11:16 AM, Marcus wrote:

Even when I'm not a real developer, please let me add some points:

IMHO we could switch when

- ASF Infra can and will support it
- the CMS (it manages the webpages) is supporting Git
- the big majority of us is wanting Git
- it is known how and save that the SVN commit history can be migrated
   to Git

PS:
As Apache project the code has to be at the ASF. I think it's not 
possible to store it somewhere else like, e.g., GitHub.


Marcus



Am 14.09.2017 um 19:24 schrieb Peter Kovacs:


On 14.09.2017 13:10, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

Hi

Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's 
source?


I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge 
nowdays, by
far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and 
IDEs
support 
(https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It

would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large 
projects, it

would integrate with GitHub better, etc.

What do people think?

Damjan

As much as I prefer GIT for Codemaintenance, I think the central REPO 
should be maintained by Apache Infra.
If Infra can move to git, fine. If they do not support it, it is also 
fine to me.


I am at -1 to have our official REPO on GITHUB or another service 
provider.


And I am not sure if we can not work around the problem to commit to 
SVN from a GIT repo.

Have to check.


All the best
Peter



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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Dave Fisher


> On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Marcus  wrote:
> 
> Even when I'm not a real developer, please let me add some points:
> 
> IMHO we could switch when
> 
> - ASF Infra can and will support it
> - the CMS (it manages the webpages) is supporting Git
> - the big majority of us is wanting Git
> - it is known how and save that the SVN commit history can be migrated
>  to Git
> 
> PS:
> As Apache project the code has to be at the ASF. I think it's not possible to 
> store it somewhere else like, e.g., GitHub.

GitBox is being experimented with and there are a few projects that use GitHub 
with the mirror being on the Apache side. Infra is not offering this to all. 
Ask Greg Stein about it.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> Am 14.09.2017 um 19:24 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> On 14.09.2017 13:10, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's source?
>>> 
>>> I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays, by
>>> far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and IDEs
>>> support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It
>>> would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
>>> git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects, it
>>> would integrate with GitHub better, etc.
>>> 
>>> What do people think?
>>> 
>>> Damjan
>>> 
>> As much as I prefer GIT for Codemaintenance, I think the central REPO should 
>> be maintained by Apache Infra.
>> If Infra can move to git, fine. If they do not support it, it is also fine 
>> to me.
>> I am at -1 to have our official REPO on GITHUB or another service provider.
>> And I am not sure if we can not work around the problem to commit to SVN 
>> from a GIT repo.
>> Have to check.
>> All the best
>> Peter
> 
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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Marcus


Even when I'm not a real developer, please let me add some points:

IMHO we could switch when

- ASF Infra can and will support it
- the CMS (it manages the webpages) is supporting Git
- the big majority of us is wanting Git
- it is known how and save that the SVN commit history can be migrated
  to Git

PS:
As Apache project the code has to be at the ASF. I think it's not 
possible to store it somewhere else like, e.g., GitHub.


Marcus



Am 14.09.2017 um 19:24 schrieb Peter Kovacs:


On 14.09.2017 13:10, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

Hi

Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's source?

I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge 
nowdays, by

far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and IDEs
support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It
would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects, it
would integrate with GitHub better, etc.

What do people think?

Damjan

As much as I prefer GIT for Codemaintenance, I think the central REPO 
should be maintained by Apache Infra.
If Infra can move to git, fine. If they do not support it, it is also 
fine to me.


I am at -1 to have our official REPO on GITHUB or another service provider.

And I am not sure if we can not work around the problem to commit to SVN 
from a GIT repo.

Have to check.


All the best
Peter



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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Herbert Duerr

Hi,

FWIW we already have an official git mirror of our svn repository. Do a
git clone git://git.apache.org/openoffice.git
to check it out. Such a repo is currently read-only of course until the
project switches officially to git.

Herbert

On 09/14/2017 11:10 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's source?
> 
> I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays, by
> far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and IDEs
> support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It
> would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
> git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects, it
> would integrate with GitHub better, etc.
> 
> What do people think?
> 
> Damjan 


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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Peter Kovacs



On 14.09.2017 13:10, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

Hi

Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's source?

I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays, by
far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and IDEs
support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It
would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects, it
would integrate with GitHub better, etc.

What do people think?

Damjan

As much as I prefer GIT for Codemaintenance, I think the central REPO 
should be maintained by Apache Infra.
If Infra can move to git, fine. If they do not support it, it is also 
fine to me.


I am at -1 to have our official REPO on GITHUB or another service provider.

And I am not sure if we can not work around the problem to commit to SVN 
from a GIT repo.

Have to check.


All the best
Peter

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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Raphael Bircher


+1

Am .09.2017, 13:10 Uhr, schrieb Damjan Jovanovic :


Hi

Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's source?

I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays,  
by

far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and IDEs
support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It
would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects, it
would integrate with GitHub better, etc.

What do people think?

Damjan



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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Dave Fisher

Hi -

Here is a difference between Git and SVN that could be important.

In GIT you check out the whole repository.
In SVN you can check out parts.

Another would be does SVN vs. GIT prevent new developers from volunteering?

Historical note - when OpenOffice came to Apache it had just been moved to 
Mercurial...

Regards,
Dave

> On Sep 14, 2017, at 6:32 AM, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
> 
>> I know Git is the repository-of-the-decade, and therefore a switch to it
>> is probably inevitable, just like the switch from RCS to SCCS and from SCCS
>> to Subversion.
>> 
>> Just as a matter of curiosity, which IDE's do not support Subversion? I
>> know I was using a it with Eclipse before I heard of Git.
>> 
>> 
> Visual Studio Code only supports Git out of the box.

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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Damjan Jovanovic

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:

> I know Git is the repository-of-the-decade, and therefore a switch to it
> is probably inevitable, just like the switch from RCS to SCCS and from SCCS
> to Subversion.
>
> Just as a matter of curiosity, which IDE's do not support Subversion? I
> know I was using a it with Eclipse before I heard of Git.
>
>
Visual Studio Code only supports Git out of the box.

Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Patricia Shanahan

I know Git is the repository-of-the-decade, and therefore a switch to it 
is probably inevitable, just like the switch from RCS to SCCS and from 
SCCS to Subversion.


Just as a matter of curiosity, which IDE's do not support Subversion? I 
know I was using a it with Eclipse before I heard of Git.


On 9/14/2017 4:10 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

Hi

Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's source?

I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays, by
far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and IDEs
support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It
would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects, it
would integrate with GitHub better, etc.

What do people think?

Damjan



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[Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-14 Thread Damjan Jovanovic

Hi

Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's source?

I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays, by
far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and IDEs
support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It
would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects, it
would integrate with GitHub better, etc.

What do people think?

Damjan

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