Re: Apache OpenOffice release notification
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016, Patricia Shanahan wrote: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 05:12:56 +0200 From: Patricia Shanahan To: "infrastruct...@apache.org" Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Apache OpenOffice release notification The Apache OpenOffice project is currently preparing and testing a release candidate, 4.1.3-rc1. The total size of the artifacts, including the binary files, exceeds a gigabyte, so the release policy calls for notifying Infrastructure. I do not expect significant Infrastructure impact because AOO is normally downloaded from SourceForge, not ASF or its mirrors. Please contact me or post to dev@openoffice.apache.org if you need more details. Hi Patricia, please remove openoffice 4.1.2 from the mirrors ; that is, here : http://www.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ Thanks, regards, Henk Penning ---- _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof HFG-406 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Budapestlaan 6, 3584CD Utrecht, NLF +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 4.0.1 release and distribution.
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:19:32 +0200 From: Andrea Pescetti To: Henk P. Penning Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: 4.0.1 release and distribution. Everything was OK in the 4.0 case. No. Regarding the mirrors, it was not ok. Fact : 4.0.1 will be put on the mirrors in 4-5 days, adding some languages every day. That is a technical constraint. Fact : if AOO announces "too soon", /all/ mirrors will be incomplete. I'm not discussing here, or looking for a compromise ; I'm telling you how it is. AOO can either "do it right" (by waiting a few more days), or not. Andrea. Regards, Henk Penning ------------ _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 4.0.1 release and distribution.
On Mon, 2 Sep 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:45:06 +0200 From: Andrea Pescetti To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Henk P. Penning Subject: Re: 4.0.1 release and distribution. On 01/09/2013 Henk P. Penning wrote: For 4.0.0 I added the binaries slowly ; some 4 to 5 languages a day is what the rsync servers can handle. So, it takes 5 days for the quick mirrors plus 2 days for the straglers. Note that there are some sites that are still trying to catch up. Soon after GA date (or earlier), refs to 4.0.0 sigs and sums should point to 'archive.apache.org/' (instead of www.apache.org). I would very much avoid introducing another bottleneck in the process. Voting on the release already takes 3 days, and we won't start copying anything before we have the final result, as we learned from 4.0. For 4.0, after the release was approved, we managed to have it uploaded to the mirrors (the SF mirrors) rather quickly, and at the same time the checksums/signatures, being very small files, were quickly uploaded to dist. This may have taken 2 days, but not more. With this change we would have 3 days for voting plus 7 days for copying to mirrors before we can announce. And the benefits would be very marginal: the number of users who download from the Apache mirrors is negligible. So, in short, if this can be done in a way that does not slow down the post-approval upload period from 2 days to 7 days, fine; otherwise, it is better to repeat what was done for 4.0: within 2 days binaries on SF and checksums on dist or, even better, already on archive -which is automatically populated from dist but has a 24-hour delay- so that we don't need to update the links later; then, gradually, binaries uploaded to dist too (this time the delay may be a matter of days instead of weeks). Hi, I don't think that the way 4.0.0 was released, should be used as an example or even referred to as an acceptable scenario. As I said, almost all mirrors will have everything afer 5 days ; the 2 (7-5) extra days would give most slow mirrors a chance to catch up too. Having stuff on the mirrors is more important for remote areas (far from .us and .eu) ; and "remote" often means "poor". For 'remote' downloaders it is a real benefit if they can get the distro from a local mirror. I think that should be taken into consideration, even if the download-numbers are small. In the scenario you suggest, by GA date, all mirrors will have only half the stuff. That is messy. Extending the lead time from 2 to 5 days would give us the opportunity to do it (almost) right. Andrea. Regards, Henk Penning ------------ _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: 4.0.1 release and distribution.
On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, Rob Weir wrote: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:31:37 +0200 From: Rob Weir To: "dev@openoffice.apache.org" Cc: janI , Henk P. Penning Subject: Re: 4.0.1 release and distribution. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 5:42 AM, janI wrote: On 1 September 2013 11:27, janI wrote: Hi. I had a talk on #asfinfra today, regarding our upcomming 4.0.1 release. Sync on mirrors takes about a week, and the mirror can in general not hold 4.0 and 4.0.1 Is this a change? The current published advice is that the mirrors take no more than 24 hours to sync: AOO is special, being 22+ GB. For 4.0.0 I added the binaries slowly ; some 4 to 5 languages a day is what the rsync servers can handle. So, it takes 5 days for the quick mirrors plus 2 days for the straglers. Note that there are some sites that are still trying to catch up. Soon after GA date (or earlier), refs to 4.0.0 sigs and sums should point to 'archive.apache.org/' (instead of www.apache.org). https://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#distribution Therefore the current suggestion is to a) remove 4.0 from mirrors GA - 1week = 12 september b) update 4.0.1 to mirrors GA = 19 september. The downside is that mirrors will have the 4.0 ready for download for upto a week. The problem is we don't know for certain a GA date a week in advance. We can just estimate. But as we saw with 4.0.0, a last minute defect can delay things by a week or more. So in practice this means that there could be more than a week where 4.0.0 is not on the mirrors. Maybe this is not a problem? I can't judge that ; the problem is that by GA date the sigs/sums have to be in /dist/ ; it complicates matters if by GA date /dist/ isn't completely available for the mirrors ; the XXX.sigs etc would have to be copied into /dist/ separately from the XXX's. The two things to watch out for (and you have probably already considered these, but I'll mention them just in case): 1) We should not remove the 4.0.0 hashes and signature files from /dist. These are referenced even when the binaries are downloaded from SourceForge. "remove from the mirrors" is done by excluding 4.0.0 in rsyncd.conf ; that is, stuff will be in /dist/, but mirrors will think it's gone. 2) We need to make sure SourceForge is not rsyncing from /dist and mirror the 4.0.0 removal. Rsyncs on SF are done "by hand". When the entire 4.0.1 is ready, it should sit somehere (outside /dist/), say XXX ; SF will pick up XXX with a custom rsync module ; XXX will by copied in parts to /dist/. And I assume 4.0.1 goes to archive then? yep. -Rob Henk Penning -------- _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Release 4.0.0 binaries storage and SF
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Henk P. Penning wrote: The stuff incubator/ooo can now be removed from www.apache.org/dist/, and therefor, from the mirrors. I will do this later today ; unless someone beats me to it :-). Hi, can we now discuss the next step? I would like to (properly) exclude dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries/ from the mirrors. This directory now only contains checksums (.md5's, .asc's and .sha256's) ; and on the mirrors only empty directories (because checksums are excluded for mirrors). To make it concrete: the rsync [apache-dist] module is now exclude = *.md5 *.MD5 *.sha1 *.sha *.sha256 *.sha512 *.asc *.sig KEYS KEYS.txt .svn/ /.rsync.td/ /zzz/perms /externaldist /zzz/rsync-module/apache-dist-most I want to add "/openoffice/*/binaries/" ; where the '*' only matches non-/. Is that OK ? If/when ok, then -- everything in "dist/externaldist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries/" will be copied to "dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries/" ; where timestamps must be carefully preserved. ... cleanup dist/externaldist [to be discussed offline] : -- create a module (or fix the current module) that SourceForge (SF) can use to get the 4.0.0 binaries. -- talk to SF so they can switch to the new (or updated) module -- cleanup (rm) dist/externaldist Regards, Henk Penning ------------ _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 21:51:33 +0200 From: "Marcus (OOo)" To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Henk P. Penning Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal. Andrea Pescetti: Hi, > keys/group/openoffice.asc Fixed too. > http: //www.openoffice.org/download/globalvars_improved.js I'll still leave this to Marcus and we are done. It's a relict of the past. No need to change this. Ok ; thanks Marcus ; I think we're done. The stuff incubator/ooo can now be removed from www.apache.org/dist/, and therefor, from the mirrors. I will do this later today ; unless someone beats me to it :-). Marcus Andrea Pescetti: But this policy means that we will really have to think twice before linking to materials on the Apache mirrors: going back and correct links in old download pages, old security bulletins, that have in the meantime been translated, converted into PDF and very likely republished verbatim on other sites, is something that we simply cannot do; and even if we limit ourselves to doing what is actually possible (i.e., fixing everything that is under control, like in this case), it's still a large waste of time. Agree ; stuff in www.apache.org/dist/ (and the mirrors) is just there temporarily ; actually /dist/ is just a cache for archive.a.o. Andrea. Thanks, regards, Henk Penning -------- _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:20:56 +0200 From: Andrea Pescetti To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Henk P. Penning Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal. On 31/07/2013 Henk P. Penning wrote: The only concern now is dist/incubator/ooo ; -- incubator/ooo now only has 3.4.1 -- it is on the mirrors -- for 3.4.1 (and older versions) http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html does NOT point to incubator/ooo anymore ; it points to archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ for stuff that once was in dist/incubator/ooo. Exactly. -- if there are no other download pages pointing to www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo then dist/incubator/ooo can be safely removed. Agree? Or are there other issues I forget? Checksums in http: //www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html http: //www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.1_checksums.html were still linking to www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo and I've now fixed this too, as clarified by Marcus and Sebb. Looking at the 3.4.0_checksums.html page, in the "This is how you verify ..." section I see occurrences of keys/group/ooo.asc That's renamed to keys/group/openoffice.asc There is only one remaining occurrence, in http://www.openoffice.org/download/globalvars_improved.js but I didn't touch it (Marcus probably knows what's best to do here). Looking at http://www.openoffice.org/download/globalvars_improved.js I see (*) : var MIRROR_APACHE_URL = "http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/ooo/";; ... that should be "http://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/incubator/ooo/";; ... and should become "http://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/";; Pointer (*) refers to http://apache.hippo.nl/incubator/ooo/ ... which is a apache-dist-most mirror ; no AOO stuff. Then dist/incubator/ooo can die. RIP. Andrea. Groeten, Henk Penning -------- _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:06:42 +0200 From: Andrea Pescetti To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Henk P. Penning Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal. On 31/07/2013 Henk P. Penning wrote: > If I understood correctly, we will also have to consolidate the > archives so that > http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ > and > http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ > are merged. Absolutely not ; such changes in archive.apache.org are never made ; archive.a.o/dist/ is just a copy of www.apache.org/dist/ without deletes. Hi Andrea, I see. Well, would at least be possible to put a symlink named "1.x-3.x" in http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ that goes to http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ ? IMHO symlinks and redirects reduce simplicity and clarity, because it soons turns into a confusing 'spaghetti' that is hard to document or understand for future maintainers. Users don't care where old stuff lives ; they just click urls. Nevermind ; if you want it, here is how: I can create a symlink for you on archive.apache.org dist/openoffice/3.3 => ../incubator/ooo/3.3 [ ... or AOO could add the link to dist/openoffice and remove it later ; the link would remain in archive.a.o, of course. ] Maybe it is better to use a 'Redirect'. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect In dist/openoffice you can add a .htaccess-archive file Redirect /3.3/ http://archive.apache.org/dist/ooo/3.3/ Redirect /3.4.0/ http://archive.apache.org/dist/ooo/3.4.0/ etc A ".htaccess-archive" file only has meaning on archive.apache.org. It really doesn't make sense to have our archives split in two places, especially considering that the "incubator" part contains old files that were released years before OpenOffice entered incubation. This would allow at least to use http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ as our only archive URL. Regards, Henk Penning _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, janI wrote: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:33:50 +0200 From: janI To: dev Cc: janI , Henk P. Penning , "priv...@openoffice.apache.org" Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal. Moving conversation to dev@ On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote: > Hi. > > Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention > to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person > doing the rsync magic. > > ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project > graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under > incubator. > > As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of > course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users > (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0). > > I see the following possibilities: > > 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 > (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra. +1 to keep it on SF This getting confused very quickly. As far as I'm concerned (or infra) nothing changes on SF, until the next AOO release. The only concern now is dist/incubator/ooo ; -- incubator/ooo now only has 3.4.1 -- it is on the mirrors -- for 3.4.1 (and older versions) http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html does NOT point to incubator/ooo anymore ; it points to archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ for stuff that once was in dist/incubator/ooo. -- if there are no other download pages pointing to www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo then dist/incubator/ooo can be safely removed. Agree? Or are there other issues I forget? If there ever comes a 3.4.2, we'll then consider the options. > 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint > as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up. > I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way. > We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be > adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using > externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders. Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred here. "externaldist" caused some confusion and extra work on our side as well. ... I'm not happy with "externaldist" also. But it is another matter. The plan now is (if AOO agrees) : -- to exclude dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries for the mirrors -- to copy 4.0.0/binaries into dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries -- to create a new module for SF (and communicate this with SF) ; this would NOT change the 4.0.0 files on SF ; it would just change (a little) the way SF gets the binaries. The third issue is "putting 4.0.0 binaries on the mirrors" ; there was some demand on mirrors.a.o. Can we, for now limit the discussion on 'incubator/ooo' ? Maybe Jurgen and I can discuss 'externaldist' off-line ; if Jurgen is comfortable with that ; if necessary we can discuss a proposal here later. Regards, Henk Penning _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:08:53 +0200 From: Andrea Pescetti To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Henk P. Penning Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal. janI wrote: > > ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project > > graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under > > incubator. Hi Andrea, What is important is that the Apache archives (so, not all the mirrors, but at least the archives) contain all legacy versions of OpenOffice[.org] from 1.x to 3.4.1. Stuff is never deleted from archive.apache.org ; so that's ok. Coordinating with Henk and Infra, I've already done, over the last weeks, a significant number of updates to http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html and other pages to redirect links to the archives, and I have some still pending. Ah, thanks for the info. If I understood correctly, we will also have to consolidate the archives so that http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/ and http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/ are merged. Absolutely not ; such changes in archive.apache.org are never made ; archive.a.o/dist/ is just a copy of www.apache.org/dist/ without deletes. Andrea. Regards, Henk Penning -------- _ Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof BBL-761 _/ \_ Faculty of Science, Utrecht UniversityT +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ Princetonplein 5, 3584CC Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
