Re: OpenOffice needs better UI

[Nagy Ákos]

Hi,

in LibreOffice you can choose from 6 menu types.

If isn't attached, can view here: https://ibb.co/Ctqf8Fr


On 2021. 08. 31. 12:26, Hao Wang wrote:

I sent this message because I have had decade-long experiences with OpenOffice, 
WPS, Microsoft Office, Mac OS's own office suite and Latex. I think OpenOffice 
needs to improve its UI if it wants to compete with its competitors. In China, 
it's outrun by WPS and in US it's outrun by Microsoft. Even with a 
less-advanced technical core, a better UI design can lead to much higher 
popularity.


From: Jörg Schmidt 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 4:18 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: RE: OpenOffice needs better UI

Hello,


-Original Message-
From: Hao Wang [mailto:hao...@live.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 9:47 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: OpenOffice needs better UI

Dear OpenOffice devs,

OpenOffice needs better UI that gives users a sense of
light-weightedness and modernity. Currently the UI is too heavy.

What is meant by this? Is it about so-called "ribbons" or is the question to be
understood more comprehensively?

I ask because: I personally don't like ribbons (which is no argument) and I 
can't
see that ribbons improve the operating efficiency.
On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear suggestions if they mediate
something other than "ribbons".


greetings,
Jörg


btw.:
What has become of this?
https://www.computer-blog.net/software/open-office-neue-bedienoberflache/


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Re: future of OpenOffice

[Nagy Ákos]

https://www.openoffice.org/licenses/lgpl_license.html
Based on this page, OpenOffice change the license from LGPLv3 to Apache
2.0 only when Oracle donate the code to Apache Foundation in june 2011,
but LibreOffice was forked from OOo in september 2010.

An article about this:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/what-the-heck-is-happening-with-openoffice-update/

2017. 01. 12. 15:25 keltezéssel, Tsutomu Uchino írta:
> See this mail: http://legal-discuss.markmail.org/thread/mleqsm636zf5fqia
>
> 2017-01-12 6:18 GMT+09:00 Dave :
>
>> On 11.01.2017 09:44, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> On 1/10/2017 11:29 PM, Nagy �kos wrote:
 Hi,

 it is impossible, because the LO license is LGPL+MPL, that can't be
 merged in OpenOffice.
>>> That choice of license was very unfortunate, and a regrettable barrier
>>> to cooperation between the projects. When LO split off they could have
>>> kept the Apache license and the potential for future cooperation.
>> The first release of OOo v3 was under LGPLv3 per Louis Suarez-Potts:
>> https://lwn.net/Articles/272202/
>>
>> In September 2010 LO forked from OOo and released LO 3.3 in January 2011
>> under the same license.
>>
>> Around 6 months later in June 2011 Oracle donated the LGPLv3 code to the
>> ASF and AOO 3.4 was released in May 2012 under ALv2.
>>
>> In spite of a seemingly contradictory statement on the license page of
>> the LO website, the above dates clearly show that LO code was forked
>> from the original OOo code, not from the AOO code.
>>
>> Please let's not try to rewrite history.
>>
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Re: future of OpenOffice

[Nagy Ákos]

The code is owned by comunity (1500+ individual people) not by TDF.
Each developer own our part from code.

And I don't think that majority from this people want to change the
licence, because with LGPL+MPL the whole LO code need to be leave open,
with apache licence the code can be closed, like IMB Symphony grab the
OOo code, and close it.

2017. 01. 11. 11:55 keltezéssel, FR web forum írta:
> TDF could be give up these copyleft licences.
> Maybe, we could create a petition to ask this
> LibO, please bring back to AL v2 licence
>  :-)
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Patricia Shanahan" <p...@acm.org>
> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Envoyé: Mercredi 11 Janvier 2017 09:44:26
> Objet: Re: future of OpenOffice
>
> On 1/10/2017 11:29 PM, Nagy Ákos wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> it is impossible, because the LO license is LGPL+MPL, that can't be
>> merged in OpenOffice.
> That choice of license was very unfortunate, and a regrettable barrier 
> to cooperation between the projects. When LO split off they could have 
> kept the Apache license and the potential for future cooperation.
>
> For most of my career, the only way I had of earning a living was 
> writing software. The FSF's basic philosophy is that programmers should 
> have no right to own and control the products of their labor. That does 
> not seem very free to me. For that reason, I'll never donate my labor to 
> anything that uses their licenses.
>
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Re: future of OpenOffice

[Nagy Ákos]

2017. 01. 11. 10:26 keltezéssel, Raphael Bircher írta:
> Hi Akos
>
> Am .01.2017, 08:29 Uhr, schrieb Nagy Ákos <a...@romkat.ro>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> it is impossible, because the LO license is LGPL+MPL, that can't be
>> merged in OpenOffice.
> As whole package yes, but you can ask individual contributors to put
> there code to Apache License 2.0.
We talk about more then 1500 individual contributors.
>
>> The single way is that OpenOffice can merge in LibreOffice, more exactly
>> the OpenOffice.org is redirected to LibreOffice.org, because the OO code
>> is outdated compared with LO code.
> How you know, the AOO Code is outdated? We maintain the code, as LO
> maintain there code. Please come with facts.
Sorry, maybe not the outdated expression is a good expression but
someting similar.
AOO has 13598 commits from 2011 (including webpage changes) and LO has
aprox 10 commits in same time.
I know that only the commit number not equal with the code quality, but
represent progress in code quality too.
https://www.openhub.net/p/openoffice/commits/summary
https://www.openhub.net/p/libreoffice/commits/summary
>
>> The LibreOffice brand now is more popular than OpenOffice, and some
>> other facts: LibreOffice have few hundred new features that OO don't
>> have, LibreOffice have a cloud suit (LibreOffice Online) etc.
>> You can compare the development trends:
>
> Libre Office is maybe popular at the Linux world, and even there exist
> Users who kick LO and install OpenOffice. There are big features in LO
> who simply shipped over to LO. Native SVG Import. Mac OS X 64 Bit
> port, and the Sidebar for exemple. Many of the added Features are
> simply buddled Extensions.
>
> More feature dosen't mean a better product. If you add a load of new
> bugs to the software in the same time, the user will not be happy.
You are right, if the new features means only new bugs. But some
features is necessary for daily work. And many features is very useful
and for many people is required:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4
...
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.3
>
>> https://www.openhub.net/p/openoffice (include webpage and wiki)
>> https://www.openhub.net/p/libreoffice (only application code)
>>
>> Based on financial reports, TDF has income equal to Apache Foundation,
>> and TDF spend all money to LibreOffice, but Apache only a little part
>> from their income spend for OO.
> Apache spend more or less only the infrastructure. TDF and ASF are not
> comparebel. ASF does not found individual projects at all. Not even
> the ApacheCon is founded over ASF budget.
>
> Regards, Raphael
>
>
>>
>> 2017. 01. 10. 20:43 keltezéssel, suhail ansari írta:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>   My name is Suhail and I have some suggestions for OpenOffice
>>> community.
>>>
>>> OpenOffice is very popular and it attracts large number of
>>> downloads. My suggestion is that Apache software foundation should
>>> talk to the document foundation and ask them to merge their
>>> foundation with Apache software foundation because Apache is world's
>>> biggest open source software foundation and if the document
>>> foundation joins Apache then we can have one product (OpenOffice).
>>> The ASF has many popular open source software products like hadoop,
>>> tomcat, OpenOffice etc. It will be good for both ASF and the
>>> document foundation to work together.
>>>
>>>
>>> Suhail Ansari
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: future of OpenOffice

[Nagy Ákos]

I wrote something that is not true?
About the trends:
https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=openoffice,libreoffice

Finantial report:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7e/TDFAnnualReport2015LR.pdf
https://www.apache.org/foundation/records/990-2014.pdf



2017. 01. 11. 10:21 keltezéssel, Jörg Schmidt írta:
>> From: Nagy Ákos [mailto:a...@romkat.ro] 
>> it is impossible, because the LO license is LGPL+MPL, that can't be
>> merged in OpenOffice.
>> The single way is that OpenOffice can merge in LibreOffice, 
>> more exactly
>> the OpenOffice.org is redirected to LibreOffice.org, because 
>> the OO code
>> is outdated compared with LO code.
>> The LibreOffice brand now is more popular than OpenOffice
> No. You spread only bad propaganda.
>
> Do you really think we are so stupid not to remember that you have changed 
> your
> address from nagy.a...@libreoffice.ro (on 26.09.2016 on this list here) to
> a...@romkat.ro (today)?
>
>
> What you try here is typical FUD.
>
>
> Jörg
>
>
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Re: future of OpenOffice

[Nagy Ákos]

Hi,

it is impossible, because the LO license is LGPL+MPL, that can't be
merged in OpenOffice.
The single way is that OpenOffice can merge in LibreOffice, more exactly
the OpenOffice.org is redirected to LibreOffice.org, because the OO code
is outdated compared with LO code.
The LibreOffice brand now is more popular than OpenOffice, and some
other facts: LibreOffice have few hundred new features that OO don't
have, LibreOffice have a cloud suit (LibreOffice Online) etc.
You can compare the development trends:
https://www.openhub.net/p/openoffice (include webpage and wiki)
https://www.openhub.net/p/libreoffice (only application code)

Based on financial reports, TDF has income equal to Apache Foundation,
and TDF spend all money to LibreOffice, but Apache only a little part
from their income spend for OO.

2017. 01. 10. 20:43 keltezéssel, suhail ansari írta:
> Hi,
>
>   My name is Suhail and I have some suggestions for OpenOffice community.
>
> OpenOffice is very popular and it attracts large number of downloads. My 
> suggestion is that Apache software foundation should talk to the document 
> foundation and ask them to merge their foundation with Apache software 
> foundation because Apache is world's biggest open source software foundation 
> and if the document foundation joins Apache then we can have one product 
> (OpenOffice). The ASF has many popular open source software products like 
> hadoop, tomcat, OpenOffice etc. It will be good for both ASF and the document 
> foundation to work together.
>
>
> Suhail Ansari
>
>



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Re: OpenOffice Guide

[Nagy Ákos]

Dear Svjariwala,

I recommand to try LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice.
The documentation is up to date:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/

2016. 09. 24. 20:35 keltezéssel, sagar jariwala írta:
> Dear Sir/Madam
>
> Kindly give me the link of guide books for openoffice calc(Excel) tips
>
> Thanking you
> Regards
> Svjariwala


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