Re: [Bugzilla] Proposal: Further value for field Version - namely pre 3.4.0

2014-01-30 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 22.01.2014 11:06, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

On 18.01.2014 01:20, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I would like to tag issues which occurs in pre 3.4.0 version
appropriately


This would be helpful for me too. Probably two new categories:
- 3.3.0 or earlier
- 3.4.0-beta

This would allow to file all bugs appropriately. The latter category
would be useful only for QA purposes, I believe 3.4.0-beta does not have
a significant number of users.

We have the version field for (in theory) the first version containing
the bug (in practice, most people set it to the version where they
observed the bug). Then we have the Latest confirmation on field to
check whether the bug still applies to the latest release.



No objections have been raised in the last days.
Thus, could someone with corresponding karma create the following new
values for field Version in Bugzilla:
- 3.3.0 or earlier
- 3.4.0-beta



Could someone please work on this.
Thx in advance.

Best regards, Oliver.

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Re: [Bugzilla] Proposal: Further value for field Version - namely pre 3.4.0

2014-01-22 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 18.01.2014 01:20, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I would like to tag issues which occurs in pre 3.4.0 version
appropriately


This would be helpful for me too. Probably two new categories:
- 3.3.0 or earlier
- 3.4.0-beta

This would allow to file all bugs appropriately. The latter category
would be useful only for QA purposes, I believe 3.4.0-beta does not have
a significant number of users.

We have the version field for (in theory) the first version containing
the bug (in practice, most people set it to the version where they
observed the bug). Then we have the Latest confirmation on field to
check whether the bug still applies to the latest release.



No objections have been raised in the last days.
Thus, could someone with corresponding karma create the following new 
values for field Version in Bugzilla:

- 3.3.0 or earlier
- 3.4.0-beta

Thx in advance.

Best regards, Oliver.

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[Bugzilla] Proposal: Further value for field Version - namely pre 3.4.0

2014-01-17 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

during the review of issues (newly submitted ones and also critical 
ones) I observed the following:
Sometimes it reveals that the described defect already occurs in 
OpenOffice versions which had been released before OpenOffice found its 
new home at Apache. Unfortunately, the available values for field 
Version in our Bugzilla instance are limited to values of versions 
which had been released under the hood of Apache.
In order to mark these kind of issues more accurate and to distinguish 
them from issues which had been introduced in version 3.4.0 I propose to 
introduce value pre 3.4.0 (or similar) for field Version in Bugzilla.
From my point of view it will help - at least me - to prioritize the 
issues.


Any objections to introduce this new value for field Version in Bugzilla?


Best regards, Oliver.

P.S.: Issue 123063 [1] is closely related to my proposal.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123063

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Re: [Bugzilla] Proposal: Further value for field Version - namely pre 3.4.0

2014-01-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 during the review of issues (newly submitted ones and also critical ones) I
 observed the following:
 Sometimes it reveals that the described defect already occurs in OpenOffice
 versions which had been released before OpenOffice found its new home at
 Apache. Unfortunately, the available values for field Version in our
 Bugzilla instance are limited to values of versions which had been released
 under the hood of Apache.
 In order to mark these kind of issues more accurate and to distinguish them
 from issues which had been introduced in version 3.4.0 I propose to
 introduce value pre 3.4.0 (or similar) for field Version in Bugzilla.
 From my point of view it will help - at least me - to prioritize the issues.

 Any objections to introduce this new value for field Version in Bugzilla?


The thing we're trying to avoid, I think, is someone reporting an
issue in an older version of OOo without first upgrading and seeing
whether it is already fixed in the current version of AOO.   If a bug
existed in, say, OOo 3.3.0 and still exists in AOO 4.0.1, it is not
incorrect to label it as an AOO 4.0.1 bug.  In fact this will happen
quite often.  We don't have the QA resources to do archeological
research and re-test every new bug in older versions.

So the meaning of version has been something like what version of
the product did you detect the bug in with the constriction that we
highly encourage the user to be running a current version of AOO
before reporting any bug.

This isn't a perfect solution, of course, and I have no objection to
us revisiting this.  But I just wanted to make sure we all knew why it
is how it is today.

Regards,

-Rob



 Best regards, Oliver.

 P.S.: Issue 123063 [1] is closely related to my proposal.

 [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123063

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Re: [Bugzilla] Proposal: Further value for field Version - namely pre 3.4.0

2014-01-17 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann

Hi,

On 17.01.2014 15:33, Rob Weir wrote:

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi,

during the review of issues (newly submitted ones and also critical ones) I
observed the following:
Sometimes it reveals that the described defect already occurs in OpenOffice
versions which had been released before OpenOffice found its new home at
Apache. Unfortunately, the available values for field Version in our
Bugzilla instance are limited to values of versions which had been released
under the hood of Apache.
In order to mark these kind of issues more accurate and to distinguish them
from issues which had been introduced in version 3.4.0 I propose to
introduce value pre 3.4.0 (or similar) for field Version in Bugzilla.
 From my point of view it will help - at least me - to prioritize the issues.

Any objections to introduce this new value for field Version in Bugzilla?



The thing we're trying to avoid, I think, is someone reporting an
issue in an older version of OOo without first upgrading and seeing
whether it is already fixed in the current version of AOO.   If a bug
existed in, say, OOo 3.3.0 and still exists in AOO 4.0.1, it is not
incorrect to label it as an AOO 4.0.1 bug.  In fact this will happen
quite often.  We don't have the QA resources to do archeological
research and re-test every new bug in older versions.

So the meaning of version has been something like what version of
the product did you detect the bug in with the constriction that we
highly encourage the user to be running a current version of AOO
before reporting any bug.

This isn't a perfect solution, of course, and I have no objection to
us revisiting this.  But I just wanted to make sure we all knew why it
is how it is today.



I can follow the arguments and I do not want to propose that every 
reported issue should be checked in an older version.


But since OpenOffice found its new home at Apache we had changes at some 
more basics - e.g. exchange of the neon library by the serf library, 
more updates to 3rd party libraries, kick of Mozilla libs, introduction 
of 3rd party library CoinMP, kick of STLport, introduction of the 
Sidebar, introduction of IA2, removal of the 3-layer office, ... These 
changes might cause by side effects issues whose relation is not 
directly seen. Thus, I personally draw more attention to issues which 
had been introduced by 3.4.0 and later than to issues introduced by pre 
3.4.0 versions. Thus, when an issue comes to my focus in an area which I 
know and I am not aware of a corresponding change in this area since 
3.3.0 which could have triggered this issue I have a former OOo version 
at hand - OOo 3.2.0 and OOo 3.3.0 and also OOo 3.4 Beta. Thus, just a 
quick check of the issue in these versions allows me to prioritize it. 
Important is to keep this information searchable in Bugzilla. Thus, I 
would like to tag issues which occurs in pre 3.4.0 version appropriately 
and to filter these issues with corresponding Bugzilla queries.


Best regards, Oliver


Regards,

-Rob




Best regards, Oliver.

P.S.: Issue 123063 [1] is closely related to my proposal.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123063

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Re: [Bugzilla] Proposal: Further value for field Version - namely pre 3.4.0

2014-01-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

I would like to tag issues which occurs in pre 3.4.0 version appropriately


This would be helpful for me too. Probably two new categories:
- 3.3.0 or earlier
- 3.4.0-beta

This would allow to file all bugs appropriately. The latter category 
would be useful only for QA purposes, I believe 3.4.0-beta does not have 
a significant number of users.


We have the version field for (in theory) the first version containing 
the bug (in practice, most people set it to the version where they 
observed the bug). Then we have the Latest confirmation on field to 
check whether the bug still applies to the latest release.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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