Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 14/04/2014 Rob Weir wrote: https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html There is also these FAQ's on the wiki: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ Why do we have two places for FAQs? I'm sure there was a good reason once... Back at the time only a few people had write access to the website. So it was easier to maintain stuff on the wiki, since everybody could contribute there. The FAQ page on openoffice.org has a nice URL but it's totally outdated (the latest changes were done by me, but just to add an outdated notice for people who came from search engines). Ideally, the FAQ section on the wiki should be reviewed, even though it's already much better than the one on the site, and then maybe moved to the site. Regards, Andrea. Andrea; The FAQ section on the wiki is more up to date as I took on the task a year ago to update it with the relevant FAQ's from the website. I thought I had sent a mail to the list to have the relevant one's from the website redirected, but I apparently never sent that. Obviously the whole question is opened again as to where they should reside. I have categories all ready for the Developer FAQ's. I did not touch them as part of the original clean-up as I do not have enough knowledge in that area to pick and choose which are still relevant. If the decision is to move them to the wiki I will be more than glad to do the grunt work of rewording them, I just need some assistance from the developer community as to which ones are still relevant. Regards Keith signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 14/04/2014 Rob Weir wrote: https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html There is also these FAQ's on the wiki: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ Why do we have two places for FAQs? I'm sure there was a good reason once... Back at the time only a few people had write access to the website. So it was easier to maintain stuff on the wiki, since everybody could contribute there. The FAQ page on openoffice.org has a nice URL but it's totally outdated (the latest changes were done by me, but just to add an outdated notice for people who came from search engines). Ideally, the FAQ section on the wiki should be reviewed, even though it's already much better than the one on the site, and then maybe moved to the site. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 15 Apr 2014, at 18:21, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 14/04/2014 Rob Weir wrote: https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html There is also these FAQ's on the wiki: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ Why do we have two places for FAQs? I'm sure there was a good reason once... Back at the time only a few people had write access to the website. So it was easier to maintain stuff on the wiki, since everybody could contribute there. The FAQ page on openoffice.org has a nice URL but it's totally outdated (the latest changes were done by me, but just to add an outdated notice for people who came from search engines). Ideally, the FAQ section on the wiki should be reviewed, even though it's already much better than the one on the site, and then maybe moved to the site. Regards, Andrea. Exactly. We were incrementally moving to the wikis overall, but there was some corporate resistance, as the copyrights obtaining for the wikis seemed less clear than the proper (official) website. But it did make for some duplication and confusion, also revolution. :-) louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:33 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello Team, We have an end user ‘Stamford College’ interested in below mentioned license for their environment in Malaysia. They have reached out to SoftwareONE Malaysia to see if we were able to procure this software for them. SoftwareONE has earlier also has done business with you and we request you to please provide the below details for this request: *Sku No.* *Item Description* *Qty* *List Price* *(per user)* *Currency* *Language Code* *Operating System* *Version* *Reseller Discount* *(in %)* *Customer Discount* *(if applicable)* Open Office 3(Educational prices) 3 1 Year Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) 3 Years Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) *Note: Please specify what all is included in Maintenance and if Maintenance is Recurring or not.* *Bill-to-SWO Location: SWO *Malaysia *Deploy-to-Customer Location: *Malaysia We also request you to please share the reseller pricelist mentioning the reseller discount and price list validity. Kindly mention your terms and conditions: Price Validity Payment Terms Delivery Time Freight Charges Process of placing order Taxes EULA link Downgrade rights Please also confirm whether the product is available *per user/ per server*? Thank you for your time and attention and I look forward to your prompt response on this matter. If I can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact me. Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:33 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello Team, We have an end user ‘Stamford College’ interested in below mentioned license for their environment in Malaysia. They have reached out to SoftwareONE Malaysia to see if we were able to procure this software for them. SoftwareONE has earlier also has done business with you and we request you to please provide the below details for this request: *Sku No.* *Item Description* *Qty* *List Price* *(per user)* *Currency* *Language Code* *Operating System* *Version* *Reseller Discount* *(in %)* *Customer Discount* *(if applicable)* Open Office 3(Educational prices) 3 1 Year Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) 3 Years Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) *Note: Please specify what all is included in Maintenance and if Maintenance is Recurring or not.* *Bill-to-SWO Location: SWO *Malaysia *Deploy-to-Customer Location: *Malaysia We also request you to please share the reseller pricelist mentioning the reseller discount and price list validity. Kindly mention your terms and conditions: Price Validity Payment Terms Delivery Time Freight Charges Process of placing order Taxes EULA link Downgrade rights Please also confirm whether the product is available *per user/ per server*? Thank you for your time and attention and I look forward to your prompt response on this matter. If I can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact me. Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- - MzK Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) -louis On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:33 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello Team, We have an end user ‘Stamford College’ interested in below mentioned license for their environment in Malaysia. They have reached out to SoftwareONE Malaysia to see if we were able to procure this software for them. SoftwareONE has earlier also has done business with you and we request you to please provide the below details for this request: *Sku No.* *Item Description* *Qty* *List Price* *(per user)* *Currency* *Language Code* *Operating System* *Version* *Reseller Discount* *(in %)* *Customer Discount* *(if applicable)* Open Office 3(Educational prices) 3 1 Year Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) 3 Years Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) *Note: Please specify what all is included in Maintenance and if Maintenance is Recurring or not.* *Bill-to-SWO Location: SWO *Malaysia *Deploy-to-Customer Location: *Malaysia We also request you to please share the reseller pricelist mentioning the reseller discount and price list validity. Kindly mention your terms and conditions: Price Validity Payment Terms Delivery Time Freight Charges Process of placing order Taxes EULA link Downgrade rights Please also
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. I doubt they'll find on their own whatever page we put this info in, but it would be a time saver just to be able to point them to it next time. -Rob -louis On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:33 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello Team, We have an end user ‘Stamford College’ interested in below mentioned license for their environment in Malaysia. They have reached out to SoftwareONE Malaysia to see if we were able to procure this software for them. SoftwareONE has earlier also has done business with you and we request you to please provide the below details for this request: *Sku No.* *Item Description* *Qty* *List Price* *(per user)* *Currency* *Language Code* *Operating System* *Version* *Reseller Discount* *(in %)* *Customer Discount* *(if applicable)* Open Office 3(Educational prices) 3 1 Year Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) 3 Years Maintenance (Mandatory/ Optional) *Note: Please specify what all is included in
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis I doubt they'll find on their own whatever page we put this info in, but it would be a time saver just to be able to point them to it next time. -Rob -louis On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:33 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello Team, We have an end user ‘Stamford College’ interested in below mentioned license for their environment in Malaysia. They have reached out to SoftwareONE Malaysia to see if we
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
I dont think there is anything wrong by just doing a direct inquiry and response. Most people might not take the time to review the site and try to get in touch as soon as possible. Is cultural, I know. It goes with I want a human on the other side of the (phone) line. On 4/14/14, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis I doubt they'll find on their own whatever page we put this info in, but it would be a time saver just to be able to point them to it next time. -Rob -louis On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:33 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* Quote requested-Open Office 3
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 04/14/2014 09:57 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis Here's the overview FAQ page. https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html I honestly don't know right at the moment what it's linked from (I will check). Which of these items do you consider most beneficial? Right now, the WHY page seems to me the most straightforward way to get the right information to folks. I'll work on a better teaser for it from the home page today in a test area so we can take a look and evaluate. I doubt they'll find on their own whatever page we put this info in, but it would be a time saver just to be able to point them to it next time. -Rob -louis On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:33 PM *To:*
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 09:57 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis Here's the overview FAQ page. https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html I honestly don't know right at the moment what it's linked from (I will check). Which of these items do you consider most beneficial? Right now, the WHY page seems to me the most straightforward way to get the right information to folks. I'll work on a better teaser for it from the home page today in a test area so we can take a look and evaluate. There is also these FAQ's on the wiki: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ Why do we have two places for FAQs? I'm sure there was a good reason once... -Rob I doubt they'll find on their own whatever page we put this info in, but it would be a time saver just to be able to point them to it next time. -Rob -louis On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:*
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I like https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html as the URL, its very clear, the apache cms can serve this FAQ functionality. I can review google analytics to see where the traffic to the faq.html is currently coming from. Suggest /faq.html should be a link in the left nav of https://www.openoffice.org/why/index.html I think we (am I volunteering myself) should review the FAQ and confirm all of it is still relevant / nothing changed / referring to OOo days (licensing faq is referring to LGPL :S) After that is all fixed up and reviewed (maybe dev list can help us as extra eyes) we should should then link from /why/index.html. I can help with formatting and organization of the information (page flow). Also adding dates to the top left of the pages so public audiences can see when it was last reviewed. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 09:57 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis Here's the overview FAQ page. https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html I honestly don't know right at the moment what it's linked from (I will check). Which of these items do you consider most beneficial? Right now, the WHY page seems to me the most straightforward way to get the right information to folks. I'll work on a better teaser for it from the home page today in a test area so we can take a look and evaluate. There is also these FAQ's on the wiki: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ Why do we have two places for FAQs? I'm sure there was a good reason once... -Rob I doubt they'll find on their own whatever page we put this info in, but it would be a time saver just to be able to point
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 04/14/2014 12:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 04/14/2014 09:57 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis Here's the overview FAQ page. https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html I honestly don't know right at the moment what it's linked from (I will check). Which of these items do you consider most beneficial? Right now, the WHY page seems to me the most straightforward way to get the right information to folks. I'll work on a better teaser for it from the home page today in a test area so we can take a look and evaluate. OK, FYI -- take a look at home page mockup at: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/test/ I also added more details to the WHY page. When we hone in on what we want to do about a revised FAQ, of course, we should link to that. I doubt they'll find on their own whatever page we put this info in, but it would be a time saver just to be able to point them to it next time. -Rob -louis On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Jain, Rahul rahul.j...@softwareone.com wrote: Hello Team, Please respond to our mail on urgent basis. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:52 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks Best Regards, Rahul Jain Global Procurement Team [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCB2FE.5C377F40] http://www.softwareone.com/ *From:* Global Vendor Publisher Management *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:09 PM *To:* 'marketing-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org' *Subject:* FW: Quote requested-Open Office 3 *Importance:* High Hello, We are waiting for your response. Thanks
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Some comments about the website, the right column goes way too far down. I recomend to limit the recent blogpost. Also display the RSS subscription link. I also suggest to have a more of a more dynamic view of the site. The headers could be done like a dropdown menu slider of information. Something usually done for FAQ here is an example: http://davidwalsh.name/demo/fancy-faqs-jquery.php This way the column will be able to display more information as needed without taking all the space. Another suggestion is to embrace new design paradigms such as landing page, which usually makes the content display as one big slide'down' show. The GIT manual shows an example of it: http://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/ Since more people are on tablets and mobiles, this allow to view the information secuentially within one column. There are CSS frameworks like LESS or SASS that allow you to use a more responsive use of stylesheets and detect whenever is on a tablet or a traditional laptop. I can make some commits to the page and show what can be done with these. On 4/14/14, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 12:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 04/14/2014 09:57 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis Here's the overview FAQ page. https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html I honestly don't know right at the moment what it's linked from (I will check). Which of these items do you consider most beneficial? Right now, the WHY page seems to me the most straightforward way to get the right information to folks. I'll work on a better teaser for it from the home page today in a test area so we can take a look and evaluate. OK, FYI -- take a look at home page mockup at: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/test/ I also added more details to the WHY page. When we hone in on what we want to do about a revised FAQ, of course, we should link to
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 04/14/2014 03:27 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Some comments about the website, the right column goes way too far down. I recomend to limit the recent blogpost. Also display the RSS subscription link. I also suggest to have a more of a more dynamic view of the site. The headers could be done like a dropdown menu slider of information. Something usually done for FAQ here is an example: http://davidwalsh.name/demo/fancy-faqs-jquery.php This way the column will be able to display more information as needed without taking all the space. Another suggestion is to embrace new design paradigms such as landing page, which usually makes the content display as one big slide'down' show. The GIT manual shows an example of it: http://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/ Since more people are on tablets and mobiles, this allow to view the information secuentially within one column. There are CSS frameworks like LESS or SASS that allow you to use a more responsive use of stylesheets and detect whenever is on a tablet or a traditional laptop. I can make some commits to the page and show what can be done with these. I can certainly understand your comments. We would certainly welcome design changes. Please continue to use the test area for this, or create a new subarea under test. For now, I was just trying to bring more emphasis to the free nature of our software so no big redesign was in mind. It's likely the rest of the links on the page won't work because they're relative to the home page. Please keep in mind we don't use PHP though -- just html, javascript and css. On 4/14/14, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 12:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 04/14/2014 09:57 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them). The faq are still there, in svn, last I checked. But anyway, we used to have language stating what you just put. It worked—for those who read it and got it. Louis Here's the overview FAQ page. https://www.openoffice.org/faq.html I honestly don't know right at the moment what it's linked from (I will check). Which of these items
Re: Quote requested-Open Office 3
On 4/14/14, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 03:27 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Some comments about the website, the right column goes way too far down. I recomend to limit the recent blogpost. Also display the RSS subscription link. I also suggest to have a more of a more dynamic view of the site. The headers could be done like a dropdown menu slider of information. Something usually done for FAQ here is an example: http://davidwalsh.name/demo/fancy-faqs-jquery.php This way the column will be able to display more information as needed without taking all the space. Another suggestion is to embrace new design paradigms such as landing page, which usually makes the content display as one big slide'down' show. The GIT manual shows an example of it: http://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/ Since more people are on tablets and mobiles, this allow to view the information secuentially within one column. There are CSS frameworks like LESS or SASS that allow you to use a more responsive use of stylesheets and detect whenever is on a tablet or a traditional laptop. I can make some commits to the page and show what can be done with these. I can certainly understand your comments. We would certainly welcome design changes. Please continue to use the test area for this, or create a new subarea under test. For now, I was just trying to bring more emphasis to the free nature of our software so no big redesign was in mind. It's likely the rest of the links on the page won't work because they're relative to the home page. Since you mentioned there was a redesign going on those are my comments to prevent a huge ammount of whitespace being generated. Please keep in mind we don't use PHP though -- just html, javascript and css. This is JQuery. Please review the tutorial here: http://davidwalsh.name/jquery-sliders On 4/14/14, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 12:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 04/14/2014 09:57 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 12:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 2014-04-14, at 11:33, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 07:20 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: On 2014-04-14, at 09:39, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Odd, I thought this was pretty obvious: https://www.openoffice.org/why/why_sme.html Its only 2 clicks into the site. I want to learn more - Businesses, third bullet down. This may be a product of our localized sites not existing / being updated. This person was inquiring for a Malaysian business, not sure if the person inquiring was also from Malaysia. Samer On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: This seems to be an FAQ item: What are commercial terms for AOO? Where is a good place to put this FAQ? -Rob Being obvious, stating the repeated—then stating it again—is no proof against the wilfully oblivious poster who feels compelled to correspond personally with seeming humans to obtain requisite legal permissions; in fact, it may be legally required to get an actual reply from the copyright holder that commercial usage of this free software is permitted. At least, that was my experience long long ago. Having a FAQ, as we did at Sun, helped--but only for this we envisioned being like us. In the end, just spending time at night with the outlier questions seemed most expeditious. louis Maybe it would help to include an additional question on the I want to learn more about OpenOffice topic on the home page of the website -- What is the cost for licenses? or something similar -1. A link to FAQ might do the trick. But how many queries of this sort (clueless) do we actually get? Not that many, yes? I would rather we keep our website as clean and direct as possible, and invite people to contribute, yes, and to distribute, but given *why* people come to the site, the simpler the better. Analogues: Mozilla, for one but one could also point to other open source apps that are commodified, e.g., Drupal, https://drupal.org/. (Drupal's site is clearly not meant for the naive user, however.) Actually, we've had a few of these in the last month or so, variations on May I use OpenOffice commercially, May I pre-install OpenOffice on hardware that I'm distributing, and I'm a central buying authority and I have paperwork to fill out on all the software my customer uses. We're dealing in these cases with bureaucrats, not familiar with open source software. If there is not a box in their form for open source they might not know what to do. Egad. You mean, we *don't* have that sort of language already? I figured we'd retained that and other clarifications from OOo days' FAQ, not all of which related to Sun/Oracle or the licenses used. (I helped write or edit most of the faq and maintained them).
